Re: Time for graduation?

[Jim Apple]

As a clarification: Todd, Marcel, and I are "vote monitors", but we can't
see who voted for whom or even who has cast a vote.

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Todd Lipcon <t...@cloudera.com> wrote:

> Thanks for setting this up, Jim! Can confirm that the vote request came
> through.
>
> -Todd
>
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Jim Apple <jbap...@cloudera.com> wrote:
>
> > I have sent out the Chair election ballot via steve.apache.org to people
> > who will be listed in our resolution as PMC members, via email addresses
> (@
> > apache.org). Please vote. The vote closes Friday.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 10:19 PM, Jim Apple <jbap...@cloudera.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I have a resolution with a blank space for chair, and the community
> voted
> > > unanimously to graduate.
> > >
> > > I also have a set of people who will make up the PMC (should we
> > graduate),
> > > based on their responses to the email I sent.
> > >
> > > We have two volunteers for PMC chair. I'll call a vote with potential
> PMC
> > > members as voters, starting on Monday using https://steve.apache.org/,
> > > following examples from other ASF projects.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Jim Apple <jbap...@cloudera.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I think it would be a good time to graduate. I'm very proud of the
> > >> progress the community has made in terms of acting in an Apache way.
> > >>
> > >> Some logistics:
> > >>
> > >> I would be happy to serve as an initial chair.
> > >>
> > >> I'll draft a resolution, with a blank space for chair. This doesn't
> mean
> > >> we have to agree now is the time to graduate, but we'll have it
> > available
> > >> for discussion and revision whenever we are ready.
> > >>
> > >> If we decide to graduate now, maybe we could email everyone who is on
> > the
> > >> PPMC, ccing private@, to see if they are still interested in being on
> > >> the PMC, and taking no response to mean "yes" until we hear otherwise,
> > in
> > >> case someone is on vacation away from email, or in the hospital, or
> > >> something.
> > >>
> > >> Also, mentors are traditionally included in a graduating podling's
> PMC,
> > >> right?
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Todd Lipcon <t...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hey Impala community,
> > >>>
> > >>> It's been a while that all of the Impala infrastructure has been
> moved
> > >>> over, and the community appears to be functioning healthily,
> generating
> > >>> new
> > >>> releases on a regular cadence as well as adding new committers and
> PPMC
> > >>> members. All of the branding stuff seems great, and the user mailing
> > list
> > >>> has a healthy amount of traffic and a good track record of answering
> > >>> questions when they come up.
> > >>>
> > >>> As a mentor I think it's probably time to discuss graduation. The
> > project
> > >>> is already functioning in the same way as your typical Apache TLP and
> > it
> > >>> seems like it's time to become one.
> > >>>
> > >>> Any thoughts? If everyone is on board, the next step would be:
> > >>>
> > >>> 1. Pick the initial PMC chair for the TLP. According to the published
> > >>> Impala Bylaws it seems that this is meant to rotate annually, so no
> > need
> > >>> to
> > >>> stress too much about it.
> > >>>
> > >>> A couple obvious choices here would be Marcel (as the original
> founder
> > of
> > >>> the project) or perhaps Jim (who has done yeoman's work on a lot of
> the
> > >>> incubation process, podling reports, etc). Others could certainly
> > >>> volunteer
> > >>> or be nominated as well.
> > >>>
> > >>> 2. Draft a Resolution for the PPMC and IPMC to vote upon.
> > >>> -- the resolution would include the above-decided chair as well as
> the
> > >>> list
> > >>> of initial PMC, etc.
> > >>> -- the Initial PMC could be just the current list of PPMC, or you
> could
> > >>> consider adding others at this point as well.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I can help with the above process but figured I'd solicit opinions
> > first
> > >>> on
> > >>> whether the communit feels it's ready to graduate.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks
> > >>> Todd
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Todd Lipcon
> Software Engineer, Cloudera
>

Re: Time for graduation?

[Todd Lipcon]

Thanks for setting this up, Jim! Can confirm that the vote request came
through.

-Todd

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Jim Apple <jbap...@cloudera.com> wrote:

> I have sent out the Chair election ballot via steve.apache.org to people
> who will be listed in our resolution as PMC members, via email addresses (@
> apache.org). Please vote. The vote closes Friday.
>
> On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 10:19 PM, Jim Apple <jbap...@cloudera.com> wrote:
>
> > I have a resolution with a blank space for chair, and the community voted
> > unanimously to graduate.
> >
> > I also have a set of people who will make up the PMC (should we
> graduate),
> > based on their responses to the email I sent.
> >
> > We have two volunteers for PMC chair. I'll call a vote with potential PMC
> > members as voters, starting on Monday using https://steve.apache.org/,
> > following examples from other ASF projects.
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Jim Apple <jbap...@cloudera.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I think it would be a good time to graduate. I'm very proud of the
> >> progress the community has made in terms of acting in an Apache way.
> >>
> >> Some logistics:
> >>
> >> I would be happy to serve as an initial chair.
> >>
> >> I'll draft a resolution, with a blank space for chair. This doesn't mean
> >> we have to agree now is the time to graduate, but we'll have it
> available
> >> for discussion and revision whenever we are ready.
> >>
> >> If we decide to graduate now, maybe we could email everyone who is on
> the
> >> PPMC, ccing private@, to see if they are still interested in being on
> >> the PMC, and taking no response to mean "yes" until we hear otherwise,
> in
> >> case someone is on vacation away from email, or in the hospital, or
> >> something.
> >>
> >> Also, mentors are traditionally included in a graduating podling's PMC,
> >> right?
> >>
> >> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Todd Lipcon <t...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hey Impala community,
> >>>
> >>> It's been a while that all of the Impala infrastructure has been moved
> >>> over, and the community appears to be functioning healthily, generating
> >>> new
> >>> releases on a regular cadence as well as adding new committers and PPMC
> >>> members. All of the branding stuff seems great, and the user mailing
> list
> >>> has a healthy amount of traffic and a good track record of answering
> >>> questions when they come up.
> >>>
> >>> As a mentor I think it's probably time to discuss graduation. The
> project
> >>> is already functioning in the same way as your typical Apache TLP and
> it
> >>> seems like it's time to become one.
> >>>
> >>> Any thoughts? If everyone is on board, the next step would be:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Pick the initial PMC chair for the TLP. According to the published
> >>> Impala Bylaws it seems that this is meant to rotate annually, so no
> need
> >>> to
> >>> stress too much about it.
> >>>
> >>> A couple obvious choices here would be Marcel (as the original founder
> of
> >>> the project) or perhaps Jim (who has done yeoman's work on a lot of the
> >>> incubation process, podling reports, etc). Others could certainly
> >>> volunteer
> >>> or be nominated as well.
> >>>
> >>> 2. Draft a Resolution for the PPMC and IPMC to vote upon.
> >>> -- the resolution would include the above-decided chair as well as the
> >>> list
> >>> of initial PMC, etc.
> >>> -- the Initial PMC could be just the current list of PPMC, or you could
> >>> consider adding others at this point as well.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I can help with the above process but figured I'd solicit opinions
> first
> >>> on
> >>> whether the communit feels it's ready to graduate.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Todd
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>



-- 
Todd Lipcon
Software Engineer, Cloudera

Re: Time for graduation?

[Jim Apple]

I have sent out the Chair election ballot via steve.apache.org to people
who will be listed in our resolution as PMC members, via email addresses (@
apache.org). Please vote. The vote closes Friday.

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 10:19 PM, Jim Apple <jbap...@cloudera.com> wrote:

> I have a resolution with a blank space for chair, and the community voted
> unanimously to graduate.
>
> I also have a set of people who will make up the PMC (should we graduate),
> based on their responses to the email I sent.
>
> We have two volunteers for PMC chair. I'll call a vote with potential PMC
> members as voters, starting on Monday using https://steve.apache.org/,
> following examples from other ASF projects.
>
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Jim Apple <jbap...@cloudera.com> wrote:
>
>> I think it would be a good time to graduate. I'm very proud of the
>> progress the community has made in terms of acting in an Apache way.
>>
>> Some logistics:
>>
>> I would be happy to serve as an initial chair.
>>
>> I'll draft a resolution, with a blank space for chair. This doesn't mean
>> we have to agree now is the time to graduate, but we'll have it available
>> for discussion and revision whenever we are ready.
>>
>> If we decide to graduate now, maybe we could email everyone who is on the
>> PPMC, ccing private@, to see if they are still interested in being on
>> the PMC, and taking no response to mean "yes" until we hear otherwise, in
>> case someone is on vacation away from email, or in the hospital, or
>> something.
>>
>> Also, mentors are traditionally included in a graduating podling's PMC,
>> right?
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Todd Lipcon <t...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Impala community,
>>>
>>> It's been a while that all of the Impala infrastructure has been moved
>>> over, and the community appears to be functioning healthily, generating
>>> new
>>> releases on a regular cadence as well as adding new committers and PPMC
>>> members. All of the branding stuff seems great, and the user mailing list
>>> has a healthy amount of traffic and a good track record of answering
>>> questions when they come up.
>>>
>>> As a mentor I think it's probably time to discuss graduation. The project
>>> is already functioning in the same way as your typical Apache TLP and it
>>> seems like it's time to become one.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts? If everyone is on board, the next step would be:
>>>
>>> 1. Pick the initial PMC chair for the TLP. According to the published
>>> Impala Bylaws it seems that this is meant to rotate annually, so no need
>>> to
>>> stress too much about it.
>>>
>>> A couple obvious choices here would be Marcel (as the original founder of
>>> the project) or perhaps Jim (who has done yeoman's work on a lot of the
>>> incubation process, podling reports, etc). Others could certainly
>>> volunteer
>>> or be nominated as well.
>>>
>>> 2. Draft a Resolution for the PPMC and IPMC to vote upon.
>>> -- the resolution would include the above-decided chair as well as the
>>> list
>>> of initial PMC, etc.
>>> -- the Initial PMC could be just the current list of PPMC, or you could
>>> consider adding others at this point as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> I can help with the above process but figured I'd solicit opinions first
>>> on
>>> whether the communit feels it's ready to graduate.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Todd
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: Time for graduation?

[Jim Apple]

I have a resolution with a blank space for chair, and the community voted
unanimously to graduate.

I also have a set of people who will make up the PMC (should we graduate),
based on their responses to the email I sent.

We have two volunteers for PMC chair. I'll call a vote with potential PMC
members as voters, starting on Monday using https://steve.apache.org/,
following examples from other ASF projects.

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Jim Apple <jbap...@cloudera.com> wrote:

> I think it would be a good time to graduate. I'm very proud of the
> progress the community has made in terms of acting in an Apache way.
>
> Some logistics:
>
> I would be happy to serve as an initial chair.
>
> I'll draft a resolution, with a blank space for chair. This doesn't mean
> we have to agree now is the time to graduate, but we'll have it available
> for discussion and revision whenever we are ready.
>
> If we decide to graduate now, maybe we could email everyone who is on the
> PPMC, ccing private@, to see if they are still interested in being on the
> PMC, and taking no response to mean "yes" until we hear otherwise, in case
> someone is on vacation away from email, or in the hospital, or something.
>
> Also, mentors are traditionally included in a graduating podling's PMC,
> right?
>
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Todd Lipcon <t...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hey Impala community,
>>
>> It's been a while that all of the Impala infrastructure has been moved
>> over, and the community appears to be functioning healthily, generating
>> new
>> releases on a regular cadence as well as adding new committers and PPMC
>> members. All of the branding stuff seems great, and the user mailing list
>> has a healthy amount of traffic and a good track record of answering
>> questions when they come up.
>>
>> As a mentor I think it's probably time to discuss graduation. The project
>> is already functioning in the same way as your typical Apache TLP and it
>> seems like it's time to become one.
>>
>> Any thoughts? If everyone is on board, the next step would be:
>>
>> 1. Pick the initial PMC chair for the TLP. According to the published
>> Impala Bylaws it seems that this is meant to rotate annually, so no need
>> to
>> stress too much about it.
>>
>> A couple obvious choices here would be Marcel (as the original founder of
>> the project) or perhaps Jim (who has done yeoman's work on a lot of the
>> incubation process, podling reports, etc). Others could certainly
>> volunteer
>> or be nominated as well.
>>
>> 2. Draft a Resolution for the PPMC and IPMC to vote upon.
>> -- the resolution would include the above-decided chair as well as the
>> list
>> of initial PMC, etc.
>> -- the Initial PMC could be just the current list of PPMC, or you could
>> consider adding others at this point as well.
>>
>>
>> I can help with the above process but figured I'd solicit opinions first
>> on
>> whether the communit feels it's ready to graduate.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Todd
>>
>
>

Re: Time for graduation?

[Matthew Jacobs]

+1

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 4:59 AM Taras Bobrovytsky <taras...@apache.org>
wrote:

> +1 for graduation. I think Impala already lives by the ASF standards for
> top level projects and is ready to graduate.
>
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Carl Steinbach <c...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > +1 for graduation
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 9:12 AM, Henry Robinson <he...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > +1, would be terrific to graduate.
> > >
> > > On 16 October 2017 at 00:47, Tom White <t...@cloudera.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1 from me.
> > > >
> > > > Tom
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:59 AM, Michael Brown <mi...@cloudera.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > I am in favor of graduation.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Todd Lipcon <t...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hey Impala community,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> It's been a while that all of the Impala infrastructure has been
> > moved
> > > > >> over, and the community appears to be functioning healthily,
> > > generating
> > > > new
> > > > >> releases on a regular cadence as well as adding new committers and
> > > PPMC
> > > > >> members. All of the branding stuff seems great, and the user
> mailing
> > > > list
> > > > >> has a healthy amount of traffic and a good track record of
> answering
> > > > >> questions when they come up.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> As a mentor I think it's probably time to discuss graduation. The
> > > > project
> > > > >> is already functioning in the same way as your typical Apache TLP
> > and
> > > it
> > > > >> seems like it's time to become one.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Any thoughts? If everyone is on board, the next step would be:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 1. Pick the initial PMC chair for the TLP. According to the
> > published
> > > > >> Impala Bylaws it seems that this is meant to rotate annually, so
> no
> > > > need to
> > > > >> stress too much about it.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> A couple obvious choices here would be Marcel (as the original
> > founder
> > > > of
> > > > >> the project) or perhaps Jim (who has done yeoman's work on a lot
> of
> > > the
> > > > >> incubation process, podling reports, etc). Others could certainly
> > > > volunteer
> > > > >> or be nominated as well.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 2. Draft a Resolution for the PPMC and IPMC to vote upon.
> > > > >> -- the resolution would include the above-decided chair as well as
> > the
> > > > list
> > > > >> of initial PMC, etc.
> > > > >> -- the Initial PMC could be just the current list of PPMC, or you
> > > could
> > > > >> consider adding others at this point as well.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I can help with the above process but figured I'd solicit opinions
> > > > first on
> > > > >> whether the communit feels it's ready to graduate.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks
> > > > >> Todd
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
-- 
Sent from My iPhone

Re: Time for graduation?

[Taras Bobrovytsky]

+1 for graduation. I think Impala already lives by the ASF standards for
top level projects and is ready to graduate.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Carl Steinbach <c...@apache.org> wrote:

> +1 for graduation
>
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 9:12 AM, Henry Robinson <he...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > +1, would be terrific to graduate.
> >
> > On 16 October 2017 at 00:47, Tom White <t...@cloudera.com> wrote:
> >
> > > +1 from me.
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:59 AM, Michael Brown <mi...@cloudera.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > I am in favor of graduation.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Todd Lipcon <t...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hey Impala community,
> > > >>
> > > >> It's been a while that all of the Impala infrastructure has been
> moved
> > > >> over, and the community appears to be functioning healthily,
> > generating
> > > new
> > > >> releases on a regular cadence as well as adding new committers and
> > PPMC
> > > >> members. All of the branding stuff seems great, and the user mailing
> > > list
> > > >> has a healthy amount of traffic and a good track record of answering
> > > >> questions when they come up.
> > > >>
> > > >> As a mentor I think it's probably time to discuss graduation. The
> > > project
> > > >> is already functioning in the same way as your typical Apache TLP
> and
> > it
> > > >> seems like it's time to become one.
> > > >>
> > > >> Any thoughts? If everyone is on board, the next step would be:
> > > >>
> > > >> 1. Pick the initial PMC chair for the TLP. According to the
> published
> > > >> Impala Bylaws it seems that this is meant to rotate annually, so no
> > > need to
> > > >> stress too much about it.
> > > >>
> > > >> A couple obvious choices here would be Marcel (as the original
> founder
> > > of
> > > >> the project) or perhaps Jim (who has done yeoman's work on a lot of
> > the
> > > >> incubation process, podling reports, etc). Others could certainly
> > > volunteer
> > > >> or be nominated as well.
> > > >>
> > > >> 2. Draft a Resolution for the PPMC and IPMC to vote upon.
> > > >> -- the resolution would include the above-decided chair as well as
> the
> > > list
> > > >> of initial PMC, etc.
> > > >> -- the Initial PMC could be just the current list of PPMC, or you
> > could
> > > >> consider adding others at this point as well.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> I can help with the above process but figured I'd solicit opinions
> > > first on
> > > >> whether the communit feels it's ready to graduate.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks
> > > >> Todd
> > > >>
> > >
> >
>

Re: Time for graduation?

[Carl Steinbach]

+1 for graduation

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 9:12 AM, Henry Robinson <he...@apache.org> wrote:

> +1, would be terrific to graduate.
>
> On 16 October 2017 at 00:47, Tom White <t...@cloudera.com> wrote:
>
> > +1 from me.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:59 AM, Michael Brown <mi...@cloudera.com>
> > wrote:
> > > I am in favor of graduation.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Todd Lipcon <t...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hey Impala community,
> > >>
> > >> It's been a while that all of the Impala infrastructure has been moved
> > >> over, and the community appears to be functioning healthily,
> generating
> > new
> > >> releases on a regular cadence as well as adding new committers and
> PPMC
> > >> members. All of the branding stuff seems great, and the user mailing
> > list
> > >> has a healthy amount of traffic and a good track record of answering
> > >> questions when they come up.
> > >>
> > >> As a mentor I think it's probably time to discuss graduation. The
> > project
> > >> is already functioning in the same way as your typical Apache TLP and
> it
> > >> seems like it's time to become one.
> > >>
> > >> Any thoughts? If everyone is on board, the next step would be:
> > >>
> > >> 1. Pick the initial PMC chair for the TLP. According to the published
> > >> Impala Bylaws it seems that this is meant to rotate annually, so no
> > need to
> > >> stress too much about it.
> > >>
> > >> A couple obvious choices here would be Marcel (as the original founder
> > of
> > >> the project) or perhaps Jim (who has done yeoman's work on a lot of
> the
> > >> incubation process, podling reports, etc). Others could certainly
> > volunteer
> > >> or be nominated as well.
> > >>
> > >> 2. Draft a Resolution for the PPMC and IPMC to vote upon.
> > >> -- the resolution would include the above-decided chair as well as the
> > list
> > >> of initial PMC, etc.
> > >> -- the Initial PMC could be just the current list of PPMC, or you
> could
> > >> consider adding others at this point as well.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I can help with the above process but figured I'd solicit opinions
> > first on
> > >> whether the communit feels it's ready to graduate.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks
> > >> Todd
> > >>
> >
>

Re: Time for graduation?

[Henry Robinson]

+1, would be terrific to graduate.

On 16 October 2017 at 00:47, Tom White <t...@cloudera.com> wrote:

> +1 from me.
>
> Tom
>
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:59 AM, Michael Brown <mi...@cloudera.com>
> wrote:
> > I am in favor of graduation.
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Todd Lipcon <t...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hey Impala community,
> >>
> >> It's been a while that all of the Impala infrastructure has been moved
> >> over, and the community appears to be functioning healthily, generating
> new
> >> releases on a regular cadence as well as adding new committers and PPMC
> >> members. All of the branding stuff seems great, and the user mailing
> list
> >> has a healthy amount of traffic and a good track record of answering
> >> questions when they come up.
> >>
> >> As a mentor I think it's probably time to discuss graduation. The
> project
> >> is already functioning in the same way as your typical Apache TLP and it
> >> seems like it's time to become one.
> >>
> >> Any thoughts? If everyone is on board, the next step would be:
> >>
> >> 1. Pick the initial PMC chair for the TLP. According to the published
> >> Impala Bylaws it seems that this is meant to rotate annually, so no
> need to
> >> stress too much about it.
> >>
> >> A couple obvious choices here would be Marcel (as the original founder
> of
> >> the project) or perhaps Jim (who has done yeoman's work on a lot of the
> >> incubation process, podling reports, etc). Others could certainly
> volunteer
> >> or be nominated as well.
> >>
> >> 2. Draft a Resolution for the PPMC and IPMC to vote upon.
> >> -- the resolution would include the above-decided chair as well as the
> list
> >> of initial PMC, etc.
> >> -- the Initial PMC could be just the current list of PPMC, or you could
> >> consider adding others at this point as well.
> >>
> >>
> >> I can help with the above process but figured I'd solicit opinions
> first on
> >> whether the communit feels it's ready to graduate.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Todd
> >>
>

Re: Time for graduation?

[Tom White]

+1 from me.

Tom

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:59 AM, Michael Brown <mi...@cloudera.com> wrote:
> I am in favor of graduation.
>
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Todd Lipcon <t...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hey Impala community,
>>
>> It's been a while that all of the Impala infrastructure has been moved
>> over, and the community appears to be functioning healthily, generating new
>> releases on a regular cadence as well as adding new committers and PPMC
>> members. All of the branding stuff seems great, and the user mailing list
>> has a healthy amount of traffic and a good track record of answering
>> questions when they come up.
>>
>> As a mentor I think it's probably time to discuss graduation. The project
>> is already functioning in the same way as your typical Apache TLP and it
>> seems like it's time to become one.
>>
>> Any thoughts? If everyone is on board, the next step would be:
>>
>> 1. Pick the initial PMC chair for the TLP. According to the published
>> Impala Bylaws it seems that this is meant to rotate annually, so no need to
>> stress too much about it.
>>
>> A couple obvious choices here would be Marcel (as the original founder of
>> the project) or perhaps Jim (who has done yeoman's work on a lot of the
>> incubation process, podling reports, etc). Others could certainly volunteer
>> or be nominated as well.
>>
>> 2. Draft a Resolution for the PPMC and IPMC to vote upon.
>> -- the resolution would include the above-decided chair as well as the list
>> of initial PMC, etc.
>> -- the Initial PMC could be just the current list of PPMC, or you could
>> consider adding others at this point as well.
>>
>>
>> I can help with the above process but figured I'd solicit opinions first on
>> whether the communit feels it's ready to graduate.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Todd
>>

Re: Time for graduation?

[Michael Brown]

I am in favor of graduation.

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Todd Lipcon <t...@apache.org> wrote:

> Hey Impala community,
>
> It's been a while that all of the Impala infrastructure has been moved
> over, and the community appears to be functioning healthily, generating new
> releases on a regular cadence as well as adding new committers and PPMC
> members. All of the branding stuff seems great, and the user mailing list
> has a healthy amount of traffic and a good track record of answering
> questions when they come up.
>
> As a mentor I think it's probably time to discuss graduation. The project
> is already functioning in the same way as your typical Apache TLP and it
> seems like it's time to become one.
>
> Any thoughts? If everyone is on board, the next step would be:
>
> 1. Pick the initial PMC chair for the TLP. According to the published
> Impala Bylaws it seems that this is meant to rotate annually, so no need to
> stress too much about it.
>
> A couple obvious choices here would be Marcel (as the original founder of
> the project) or perhaps Jim (who has done yeoman's work on a lot of the
> incubation process, podling reports, etc). Others could certainly volunteer
> or be nominated as well.
>
> 2. Draft a Resolution for the PPMC and IPMC to vote upon.
> -- the resolution would include the above-decided chair as well as the list
> of initial PMC, etc.
> -- the Initial PMC could be just the current list of PPMC, or you could
> consider adding others at this point as well.
>
>
> I can help with the above process but figured I'd solicit opinions first on
> whether the communit feels it's ready to graduate.
>
> Thanks
> Todd
>

Re: Time for graduation?

[Lars Volker]

I, too, think that Impala should graduate from the Incubator. In my eyes we
live by the standards and meet the expectations set by the ASF for its top
level projects.

On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Marcel Kornacker 
wrote:

> I am also in favor of graduation.
>
> I'd be happy to serve as the initial PMC chair.
>
> Marcel
>
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Daniel Hecht 
> wrote:
> > I'm in favor of graduation. We have come a long way and I agree it
> > feels like we are functioning like an Apache TLP.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Tim Armstrong 
> wrote:
> >> I'd be very happy if we could graduate too. We still obviously have to
> >> continue working on growing the community but we've made a huge amount
> of
> >> progress in setting up the infrastructure and processes to be
> successful as
> >> a top level project.
> >>
> >> I think having users like Brock on the PMC is great so that we can get
> >> input on whether the project is going in the right direction from their
> >> point of view.
> >>
> >> - Tim
> >>
> >> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 4:46 PM, Brock Noland  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> I've been thinking about this as well and I feel Impala is ready.
> >>>
> >>> (more inline)
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Todd Lipcon 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Jim Apple 
> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > > Also, mentors are traditionally included in a graduating podling's
> PMC,
> >>> > > right?
> >>> >
> >>> > That's often been done but I don't think there's any hard
> requirement.
> >>> > Perhaps we could ask each mentor whether they would like to continue
> to
> >>> be
> >>> > involved?
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> For my part, I don't feel I contribute much to the PMC, but Impala is a
> >>> project I use everyday and thus have a strong interest in the project
> being
> >>> successful. I would not be hurt in the *least* if I was not included
> on the
> >>> PMC. However, I'd be more than happy to serve.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Brock
> >>>
>

Re: Time for graduation?

[Marcel Kornacker]

I am also in favor of graduation.

I'd be happy to serve as the initial PMC chair.

Marcel

On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Daniel Hecht  wrote:
> I'm in favor of graduation. We have come a long way and I agree it
> feels like we are functioning like an Apache TLP.
>
> Dan
>
> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Tim Armstrong  
> wrote:
>> I'd be very happy if we could graduate too. We still obviously have to
>> continue working on growing the community but we've made a huge amount of
>> progress in setting up the infrastructure and processes to be successful as
>> a top level project.
>>
>> I think having users like Brock on the PMC is great so that we can get
>> input on whether the project is going in the right direction from their
>> point of view.
>>
>> - Tim
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 4:46 PM, Brock Noland  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I've been thinking about this as well and I feel Impala is ready.
>>>
>>> (more inline)
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Todd Lipcon  wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Jim Apple  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Also, mentors are traditionally included in a graduating podling's PMC,
>>> > > right?
>>> >
>>> > That's often been done but I don't think there's any hard requirement.
>>> > Perhaps we could ask each mentor whether they would like to continue to
>>> be
>>> > involved?
>>> >
>>>
>>> For my part, I don't feel I contribute much to the PMC, but Impala is a
>>> project I use everyday and thus have a strong interest in the project being
>>> successful. I would not be hurt in the *least* if I was not included on the
>>> PMC. However, I'd be more than happy to serve.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Brock
>>>

Re: Time for graduation?

[Daniel Hecht]

I'm in favor of graduation. We have come a long way and I agree it
feels like we are functioning like an Apache TLP.

Dan

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Tim Armstrong  wrote:
> I'd be very happy if we could graduate too. We still obviously have to
> continue working on growing the community but we've made a huge amount of
> progress in setting up the infrastructure and processes to be successful as
> a top level project.
>
> I think having users like Brock on the PMC is great so that we can get
> input on whether the project is going in the right direction from their
> point of view.
>
> - Tim
>
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 4:46 PM, Brock Noland  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've been thinking about this as well and I feel Impala is ready.
>>
>> (more inline)
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Todd Lipcon  wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Jim Apple  wrote:
>> >
>> > > Also, mentors are traditionally included in a graduating podling's PMC,
>> > > right?
>> >
>> > That's often been done but I don't think there's any hard requirement.
>> > Perhaps we could ask each mentor whether they would like to continue to
>> be
>> > involved?
>> >
>>
>> For my part, I don't feel I contribute much to the PMC, but Impala is a
>> project I use everyday and thus have a strong interest in the project being
>> successful. I would not be hurt in the *least* if I was not included on the
>> PMC. However, I'd be more than happy to serve.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Brock
>>

Re: Time for graduation?

[Tim Armstrong]

I'd be very happy if we could graduate too. We still obviously have to
continue working on growing the community but we've made a huge amount of
progress in setting up the infrastructure and processes to be successful as
a top level project.

I think having users like Brock on the PMC is great so that we can get
input on whether the project is going in the right direction from their
point of view.

- Tim

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 4:46 PM, Brock Noland  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've been thinking about this as well and I feel Impala is ready.
>
> (more inline)
>
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Todd Lipcon  wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Jim Apple  wrote:
> >
> > > Also, mentors are traditionally included in a graduating podling's PMC,
> > > right?
> >
> > That's often been done but I don't think there's any hard requirement.
> > Perhaps we could ask each mentor whether they would like to continue to
> be
> > involved?
> >
>
> For my part, I don't feel I contribute much to the PMC, but Impala is a
> project I use everyday and thus have a strong interest in the project being
> successful. I would not be hurt in the *least* if I was not included on the
> PMC. However, I'd be more than happy to serve.
>
> Cheers,
> Brock
>

Re: Time for graduation?

[Brock Noland]

Hi all,

I've been thinking about this as well and I feel Impala is ready.

(more inline)

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Todd Lipcon  wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Jim Apple  wrote:
>
> > Also, mentors are traditionally included in a graduating podling's PMC,
> > right?
>
> That's often been done but I don't think there's any hard requirement.
> Perhaps we could ask each mentor whether they would like to continue to be
> involved?
>

For my part, I don't feel I contribute much to the PMC, but Impala is a
project I use everyday and thus have a strong interest in the project being
successful. I would not be hurt in the *least* if I was not included on the
PMC. However, I'd be more than happy to serve.

Cheers,
Brock

Re: Time for graduation?

[Jim Apple]

All of that SGTM

Re: Time for graduation?

[Todd Lipcon]

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Jim Apple <jbap...@cloudera.com> wrote:

> I think it would be a good time to graduate. I'm very proud of the progress
> the community has made in terms of acting in an Apache way.
>
> Some logistics:
>
> I would be happy to serve as an initial chair.
>
> I'll draft a resolution, with a blank space for chair. This doesn't mean we
> have to agree now is the time to graduate, but we'll have it available for
> discussion and revision whenever we are ready.
>
> If we decide to graduate now, maybe we could email everyone who is on the
> PPMC, ccing private@, to see if they are still interested in being on the
> PMC, and taking no response to mean "yes" until we hear otherwise, in case
> someone is on vacation away from email, or in the hospital, or something.
>

That seems pretty reasonable to me, given the default is "yes". Those that
respond "no" could just be given "PMC emeritus" status. There isn't any
official emeritus policy at Apache but it's a nice way to thank these
people for past involvement and typically such members could be easily
re-instated upon their request (see
http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#emeritus)


>
> Also, mentors are traditionally included in a graduating podling's PMC,
> right?
>

That's often been done but I don't think there's any hard requirement.
Perhaps we could ask each mentor whether they would like to continue to be
involved?

-Todd


>
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Todd Lipcon <t...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hey Impala community,
> >
> > It's been a while that all of the Impala infrastructure has been moved
> > over, and the community appears to be functioning healthily, generating
> new
> > releases on a regular cadence as well as adding new committers and PPMC
> > members. All of the branding stuff seems great, and the user mailing list
> > has a healthy amount of traffic and a good track record of answering
> > questions when they come up.
> >
> > As a mentor I think it's probably time to discuss graduation. The project
> > is already functioning in the same way as your typical Apache TLP and it
> > seems like it's time to become one.
> >
> > Any thoughts? If everyone is on board, the next step would be:
> >
> > 1. Pick the initial PMC chair for the TLP. According to the published
> > Impala Bylaws it seems that this is meant to rotate annually, so no need
> to
> > stress too much about it.
> >
> > A couple obvious choices here would be Marcel (as the original founder of
> > the project) or perhaps Jim (who has done yeoman's work on a lot of the
> > incubation process, podling reports, etc). Others could certainly
> volunteer
> > or be nominated as well.
> >
> > 2. Draft a Resolution for the PPMC and IPMC to vote upon.
> > -- the resolution would include the above-decided chair as well as the
> list
> > of initial PMC, etc.
> > -- the Initial PMC could be just the current list of PPMC, or you could
> > consider adding others at this point as well.
> >
> >
> > I can help with the above process but figured I'd solicit opinions first
> on
> > whether the communit feels it's ready to graduate.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Todd
> >
>



-- 
Todd Lipcon
Software Engineer, Cloudera

Re: Time for graduation?

[Jim Apple]

I think it would be a good time to graduate. I'm very proud of the progress
the community has made in terms of acting in an Apache way.

Some logistics:

I would be happy to serve as an initial chair.

I'll draft a resolution, with a blank space for chair. This doesn't mean we
have to agree now is the time to graduate, but we'll have it available for
discussion and revision whenever we are ready.

If we decide to graduate now, maybe we could email everyone who is on the
PPMC, ccing private@, to see if they are still interested in being on the
PMC, and taking no response to mean "yes" until we hear otherwise, in case
someone is on vacation away from email, or in the hospital, or something.

Also, mentors are traditionally included in a graduating podling's PMC,
right?

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Todd Lipcon <t...@apache.org> wrote:

> Hey Impala community,
>
> It's been a while that all of the Impala infrastructure has been moved
> over, and the community appears to be functioning healthily, generating new
> releases on a regular cadence as well as adding new committers and PPMC
> members. All of the branding stuff seems great, and the user mailing list
> has a healthy amount of traffic and a good track record of answering
> questions when they come up.
>
> As a mentor I think it's probably time to discuss graduation. The project
> is already functioning in the same way as your typical Apache TLP and it
> seems like it's time to become one.
>
> Any thoughts? If everyone is on board, the next step would be:
>
> 1. Pick the initial PMC chair for the TLP. According to the published
> Impala Bylaws it seems that this is meant to rotate annually, so no need to
> stress too much about it.
>
> A couple obvious choices here would be Marcel (as the original founder of
> the project) or perhaps Jim (who has done yeoman's work on a lot of the
> incubation process, podling reports, etc). Others could certainly volunteer
> or be nominated as well.
>
> 2. Draft a Resolution for the PPMC and IPMC to vote upon.
> -- the resolution would include the above-decided chair as well as the list
> of initial PMC, etc.
> -- the Initial PMC could be just the current list of PPMC, or you could
> consider adding others at this point as well.
>
>
> I can help with the above process but figured I'd solicit opinions first on
> whether the communit feels it's ready to graduate.
>
> Thanks
> Todd
>

Time for graduation?

[Todd Lipcon]

Hey Impala community,

It's been a while that all of the Impala infrastructure has been moved
over, and the community appears to be functioning healthily, generating new
releases on a regular cadence as well as adding new committers and PPMC
members. All of the branding stuff seems great, and the user mailing list
has a healthy amount of traffic and a good track record of answering
questions when they come up.

As a mentor I think it's probably time to discuss graduation. The project
is already functioning in the same way as your typical Apache TLP and it
seems like it's time to become one.

Any thoughts? If everyone is on board, the next step would be:

1. Pick the initial PMC chair for the TLP. According to the published
Impala Bylaws it seems that this is meant to rotate annually, so no need to
stress too much about it.

A couple obvious choices here would be Marcel (as the original founder of
the project) or perhaps Jim (who has done yeoman's work on a lot of the
incubation process, podling reports, etc). Others could certainly volunteer
or be nominated as well.

2. Draft a Resolution for the PPMC and IPMC to vote upon.
-- the resolution would include the above-decided chair as well as the list
of initial PMC, etc.
-- the Initial PMC could be just the current list of PPMC, or you could
consider adding others at this point as well.


I can help with the above process but figured I'd solicit opinions first on
whether the communit feels it's ready to graduate.

Thanks
Todd