Re: Refining product feature set strategy

2023-09-29 Thread Remko Popma
+1 to what Ralph said On Sat, Sep 30, 2023 at 0:56 Scott Deboy wrote: > +1 to everything Ralph said. > > On Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 3:53 PM Ralph Goers > wrote: > > > I’m sorry, I can’t really agree with much of any of this. Following the > > thoughts being proposed in this thread much of Log4j 2

Re: [chainsaw] Lots of commented code // Backwards compatibility?

2023-09-29 Thread Robert Middleton
Yes, it was mostly to get rid of the log4j1 dependency and to get rid of/update other dependencies. There are a number of parts of chainsaw that depend on log4j1 features which may or may not be relevant. Most of the UI functionality should still exist, as far as I am aware. I think some of the

Re: [Discuss][VOTE] Move Chainsaw to dormant status

2023-09-29 Thread Ralph Goers
> On Sep 29, 2023, at 6:10 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 22, 2023, at 12:51, Christian Grobmeier wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 21, 2023, at 19:38, Ralph Goers wrote: >>> At this point in time I will abstain from voting. As far as I am >>> concerned only 1 vote counts - Scott’s.

Re: Refining product feature set strategy

2023-09-29 Thread Scott Deboy
+1 to everything Ralph said. On Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 3:53 PM Ralph Goers wrote: > I’m sorry, I can’t really agree with much of any of this. Following the > thoughts being proposed in this thread much of Log4j 2 and even the initial > work I did to create it would not have seen the light of day.

Re: Refining product feature set strategy

2023-09-29 Thread Ralph Goers
I’m sorry, I can’t really agree with much of any of this. Following the thoughts being proposed in this thread much of Log4j 2 and even the initial work I did to create it would not have seen the light of day. Almost 100% of the stuff Matt has done would never have happened. It is a fact that

Re: [chainsaw] Lots of commented code // Backwards compatibility?

2023-09-29 Thread Scott Deboy
I think Robert commented out most of that to get rid of the log4j1 dependency. I'm slightly concerned we'll lose a ton of UI functionality in that process, but it's in history if it's still needed, so delete away if you'd like. For comparison, you can look at the 'chainsaw-with-log4j1-dep'

[chainsaw] Lots of commented code // Backwards compatibility?

2023-09-29 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Hi, Looking through the code base, I saw lots of code that is commented. Some classes (maybe because of this) are not even used anymore. I only saw one class (ChainsawViewer), which might make sense to keep. Is it OK to remove this all? Or is there a specific reason for this? Some methods are

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j Tools 0.5.0

2023-09-29 Thread Christian Grobmeier
+1 On Fri, Sep 29, 2023, at 13:13, Volkan Yazıcı wrote: > This is a vote to release the Apache Log4j Tools 0.5.0. > > Source repository: https://github.com/apache/logging-log4j-tools > Commit: 861b03c70a76ca19408ffc8c4a77bc0c4e5e4570 > Distribution:

Re: [chainsaw] Is ZeroConf support relevant?

2023-09-29 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Oh wow I was sure this is log4j1 great, I even found some docs. https://logging.apache.org/log4j/2.x/manual/configuration.html#chainsaw-can-automatically-process-your-log-files-advertising-ap Thanks! On Fri, Sep 29, 2023, at 21:40, Scott Deboy wrote: > This is a log4j2 feature. > > Scott > >

Re: [chainsaw] Is ZeroConf support relevant?

2023-09-29 Thread Scott Deboy
This is a log4j2 feature. Scott On Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 12:24 PM Christian Grobmeier wrote: > Volkan asked this question here: > https://github.com/apache/logging-chainsaw/issues/24 > > I guess, since Log4j1 is EOL we can safely remove this feature, right? >

[chainsaw] Is ZeroConf support relevant?

2023-09-29 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Volkan asked this question here: https://github.com/apache/logging-chainsaw/issues/24 I guess, since Log4j1 is EOL we can safely remove this feature, right?

Re: Refining product feature set strategy

2023-09-29 Thread Gary Gregory
I think Jira is good enough for that, since there is transition from state to state that can be used to shepherd issues through. RFC, JEP, all way too heavy handed for us IMO. Gary On Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 2:05 PM Matt Sicker wrote: > I think it could be valuable for us to establish some form of

Re: Refining product feature set strategy

2023-09-29 Thread Matt Sicker
I think it could be valuable for us to establish some form of an RFC process for proposing and developing major new features. I also want to avoid being too process-heavy here as that would also disincentivize contributions. I agree that we should try to be more data-driven to determine what

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j Tools 0.5.0

2023-09-29 Thread Matt Sicker
+1 > On Sep 29, 2023, at 6:13 AM, Volkan Yazıcı wrote: > > This is a vote to release the Apache Log4j Tools 0.5.0. > > Source repository: https://github.com/apache/logging-log4j-tools > Commit: 861b03c70a76ca19408ffc8c4a77bc0c4e5e4570 > Distribution:

Re: [chainsaw] Trouble starting it at all

2023-09-29 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Fri, Sep 29, 2023, at 18:51, Scott Deboy wrote: > There should be a default config. Do you have anything in the .chainsaw > directory? If so, delete it. Yes figured it right when I received your message. The application created this directory. Looking into it, there were files as

Re: [chainsaw] Trouble starting it at all

2023-09-29 Thread Scott Deboy
There should be a default config. Do you have anything in the .chainsaw directory? If so, delete it. On Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 9:49 AM Christian Grobmeier wrote: > OK, got it running, after commenting those lines: > > //statusBar.setSelected(config.getBoolean("statusBar")); >

Re: [chainsaw] Trouble starting it at all

2023-09-29 Thread Christian Grobmeier
OK, got it running, after commenting those lines: //statusBar.setSelected(config.getBoolean("statusBar")); statusBar.setSelected(false); //receivers.setSelected(config.getBoolean("showReceivers")); receivers.setSelected(false); //toolBar.setSelected(config.getBoolean("toolbar"));

Re: [chainsaw] Trouble starting it at all

2023-09-29 Thread Christian Grobmeier
I have installed Netbeans and tried it with that. I also tried Corretta 11, Zulu 11, Zulu 11 with FX. OpenJDK 11 is no longer available for me (on Mac) it seems. Still no success. The splash opens, but no further movement. I have two errors earlier, but I don't think they break anything:

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j Kotlin API 1.3.0

2023-09-29 Thread Volkan Yazıcı
No. If the build would have failed, I couldn't cut the release, since it is the CI uploading artifacts + distribution to both Nexus and SVN. Probably an issue with the badge or sth else on `main`. On Fri, 29 Sep 2023, 16:24 Gary Gregory wrote: > https://github.com/apache/logging-log4j-kotlin

Re: [chainsaw] Trouble starting it at all

2023-09-29 Thread Robert Middleton
It starts up for me with Netbeans and OpenJDK 11. I would expect an exception/stack trace to be printed to stderr if an exception was thrown that caused it to fail to load. -Robert Middleton On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 9:17 AM Christian Grobmeier wrote: > Hi, > > I have found out Chainsaw

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j Kotlin API 1.3.0

2023-09-29 Thread Gary Gregory
https://github.com/apache/logging-log4j-kotlin shows the "build failing" badge, does that matter? Gary On Thu, Sep 28, 2023, 9:25 AM Volkan Yazıcı wrote: > This is a vote to release the Apache Log4j Kotlin API 1.3.0. > > Source repository: https://github.com/apache/logging-log4j-kotlin >

[chainsaw] Trouble starting it at all

2023-09-29 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Hi, I have found out Chainsaw requires Java 11. I used this from IntelliJ and run LogUI. However, even when there is no error message, the Splash Screen never disappears. Is there any specific verion of Java I need? These are he last lines i see: 15:15:29.580 [AWT-EventQueue-0] DEBUG

Re: [Discuss][VOTE] Move Chainsaw to dormant status

2023-09-29 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Fri, Sep 22, 2023, at 12:51, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > On Thu, Sep 21, 2023, at 19:38, Ralph Goers wrote: >> At this point in time I will abstain from voting. As far as I am >> concerned only 1 vote counts - Scott’s. He has steadfastly asked that >> the project not be retired and until

Re: Refining product feature set strategy

2023-09-29 Thread Christian Grobmeier
I see your point and agree with many things. I suggest we are not (only) making "data-driven" decisions. Most of us do this for fun, not for money. It is perfectly OK to decide just because we like it and enjoy ourselves. You are raising an excellent point: maintenance. We have a lot of stuff

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j Kotlin API 1.3.0

2023-09-29 Thread Christian Grobmeier
+1 -- The Apache Software Foundation V.P., Data Privacy On Thu, Sep 28, 2023, at 15:26, Volkan Yazıcı wrote: > This is a vote to release the Apache Log4j Kotlin API 1.3.0. > > Source repository: https://github.com/apache/logging-log4j-kotlin > Commit: b273cfb450898f079d2fd10b575330bfb900101b >

[VOTE] Release Apache Log4j Tools 0.5.0

2023-09-29 Thread Volkan Yazıcı
This is a vote to release the Apache Log4j Tools 0.5.0. Source repository: https://github.com/apache/logging-log4j-tools Commit: 861b03c70a76ca19408ffc8c4a77bc0c4e5e4570 Distribution: https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/logging/log4j-tools Nexus:

Refining product feature set strategy

2023-09-29 Thread Volkan Yazıcı
I want to challenge the current way of PMC determining the product feature set and work towards a more sustainable alternative. Logging Services team... - delivers mission-critical products that are deployed at the core of the world-wide infrastructure (actually, in Mars too) - is short