Re: Request to join slack channel

[Steffen Rochel]

Hi Junru - welcome to the team and project.
Steffen

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 1:16 PM Junru Shao  wrote:

> Hi, may I request to join the slack channel? Thanks!
>
>

Re: Release plan - MXNET 1.3

[Roshani Nagmote]

Hi all,

I was waiting to run nightly builds to pass on the release branch. So RC0
was a bit delayed.
Now, we have tagged the release candidate! Thanks a lot Sheng for helping
with this!

https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases/tag/1.3.0.rc0

Voting process to test RC0 will start after Scala package gets published to
maven repositories.
I had an offline discussion with Naveen and Qing who will be working on
publishing Scala packages. They want to include Scala packages in testing
as well.

I will communicate timelines for voting soon.

Thanks,
Roshani



On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 10:24 AM kellen sunderland <
kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Great news!  Thanks for the efforts Roshani + Sheng.
>
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 6:58 PM Roshani Nagmote  >
> wrote:
>
> > Release branch v1.3.x was cut yesterday night. Thanks, @Sheng for helping
> > with this and merging a bunch of PRs. I will be running tests on the
> branch
> > and move forward with the release steps now. :)
> > Thanks,
> > Roshani
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 11:12 AM Roshani Nagmote <
> > roshaninagmo...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Patric for reviewing the notes. Updated the doc with MKL-DNN
> > points
> > > you mentioned accordingly.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Roshani
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 8:03 PM Zhao, Patric 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Roshani,
> > >>
> > >> Good notes :)
> > >>
> > >> Several items about the performance and MKL-DNN in the below, please
> > help
> > >> take a review.
> > >>
> > >> @Da, Alex, if anything about MKL-DNN is missed, feel free to add.
> > >>
> > >> *Performance improvement
> > >> +Support for dot(dns, csr) = dns and dot(dns, csr.T) = dns on CPU
> > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/pull/3
> > >> +Performance improvement for Batch Dot on CPU from mshadow
> > >> https://github.com/dmlc/mshadow/pull/342
> > >> -Fix the topk regression issue (#12197)
> > >> This is the bugfix rather than performance improvements
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> *MKL-DNN
> > >> More functionality supports:
> > >> +Support more activation functions, "sigmoid", "tanh", "softrelu"
> > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/pull/10336
> > >>
> > >> Debugging functionality:
> > >> +Result check
> > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/pull/12069
> > >> +Backend switch
> > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/pull/12058
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >>
> > >> --Patric
> > >>
> > >> > -Original Message-
> > >> > From: Roshani Nagmote [mailto:roshaninagmo...@gmail.com]
> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 1:53 AM
> > >> > To: dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org
> > >> > Subject: Re: Release plan - MXNET 1.3
> > >> >
> > >> > Hi,
> > >> >
> > >> > Thank you everyone for helping to clear release blockers. CI tests
> > were
> > >> failing
> > >> > so we delayed RC by some time. But now the tests are passing and we
> > are
> > >> > ready to cut the release branch.
> > >> >
> > >> > I have drafted release notes here:
> > >> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Apache+MXNet+%28in
> > >> > cubating%29+1.3.0+Release+Notes
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Please take a look and update if I have missed anything. I will be
> > >> cutting
> > >> > RC0 tomorrow.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks,
> > >> > Roshani
> > >> >
> > >> > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 2:28 PM Roshani Nagmote
> > >> > 
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Sure will do. thanks.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > -Roshani
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 11:53 AM Afrooze, Sina <
> sina@gmail.com>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >> Hi Roshani - Can you please make sure that this fix (which is
> > already
> > >> > >> merged to master) is also merged to the stable branch for 1.3.0:
> > >> > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/pull/11493 - Thanks,
> > Sina
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> On 8/16/18, 10:51 AM, "Roshani Nagmote"
> > >> > 
> > >> > >> wrote:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Hi all,
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Release status:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Currently, for release 1.3.0 there are a couple of issues
> open
> > >> > >> which needs
> > >> > >> to be resolved before cutting RC.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> The current date we are looking at for cutting RC0 is
> > >> 08/17(Friday).
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Open issues which need to be looked at before cutting RC:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>1. Topk regression issue
> > >> > >>
> -
> > >> > >> #12202 PR
> > >> > >>with fix <
> > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/pull/12202>
> > >> > >>2. Excessive memory allocation issue
> > >> > >>
> -
> > >> > >> #12184 PR
> > >> > >>with fix <
> > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/pull/12184>
> > >> > >>3. Test_io.test_csvIter breaks on CentOS
> > >> > >>

Re: CI Issue in Julia PR #10149

[Pedro Larroy]

Hi Sheng

This is an open bug in Jenkins:
https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-37984

Anybody that has some bandwidth can contribute a fix for Jenkins. A
mitigation could be to reduce the size of the main pipeline which can be
done in a PR.

A fix for this could take a while.

Pedro.

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 8:46 PM Sheng Zha  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This is regarding https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/pull/10149.
> The
> author ran into an mxnet CI issue, and has tried to reach out to the people
> who donated the CI system on the PR but didn't get a response. As a result,
> the progress on porting the Julia binding is halted for three weeks now. He
> reached out to me on Slack to get help. Since the CI was donated by Amazon,
> I pinged the team at Amazon that is responsible for the CI operations
> through other channels 10 days ago but so far the author still hasn't
> received a response as of 3am today.
>
> I'm reaching out to the wider community in case the CI issues are being
> more closely monitored here and in case others know of better ways to help
> Iblis.
>
> -sz
>

Re: CI Issue in Julia PR #10149

[Carin Meier]

I put a possible solution to investigate on the PR. At least it will get
the ball rolling again :)

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 2:46 PM Sheng Zha  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This is regarding https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/pull/10149.
> The
> author ran into an mxnet CI issue, and has tried to reach out to the people
> who donated the CI system on the PR but didn't get a response. As a result,
> the progress on porting the Julia binding is halted for three weeks now. He
> reached out to me on Slack to get help. Since the CI was donated by Amazon,
> I pinged the team at Amazon that is responsible for the CI operations
> through other channels 10 days ago but so far the author still hasn't
> received a response as of 3am today.
>
> I'm reaching out to the wider community in case the CI issues are being
> more closely monitored here and in case others know of better ways to help
> Iblis.
>
> -sz
>

Request to join slack channel

[Junru Shao]

Hi, may I request to join the slack channel? Thanks!

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

[Sheng Zha]

Hi Kellen,

Thanks for the explanation. Unfortunately, I don't have the usage data, so I 
refrained from voting. If any of the voters have such data I'd love to see it 
too.

-sz

On 2018/08/30 14:58:09, kellen sunderland  wrote: 
> I haven't spoken to anyone about the decision (as I'm currently on an
> island in the med) but to me the quick +1s are likely a result of this
> being a fairly straightforward decision.  The factors that went into my
> thinking were (1) prioritizing growing platforms rather than shrinking
> platforms (i.e. thinking long term rather than shirt term) and (2)  earning
> our customers' trust.  Claiming support for a platform when we can't
> realistically deliver it would lose us trust.  I'd prefer to over deliver
> and under promise when it come to windows 7 for this reason.
> 
> Now on the flip side one thing I would see as valuable is to try and get
> windows builds working with clang.  This could be beneficial in the sense
> that it would be easy to maintain for mxnet devs and allow us to use modern
> cpp on older windows machines without using vs 2013(which I consider a
> non-starter with our codebase).
> 
> You have peaked my curiousity though Sheng.  How many win7 users does MXNet
> have relative to macos/Linux?
> 
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2018, 8:51 AM Sheng Zha  wrote:
> 
> > Hi Yuan,
> >
> > No problem. This is an issue that's worth having a clear definition, so
> > there's nothing wrong about your proposal, and thanks for bringing this up.
> >
> > I'm more concerned about the seemingly unanimous votes on dropping support
> > on a platform without seeing the supporting evidence that it's the right
> > thing. It is as if everyone who participated in the vote are already on the
> > same page, and somehow I'm the only one that's not. But the only argument I
> > hear so far is that it's technically not straightforward to continue the
> > support, which, coming from Amazon folks, certainly doesn't sound
> > customer-obsessed.
> >
> > -sz
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 11:37 PM Lin Yuan  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Sheng,
> > >
> > > Thanks for raising this concern. The problem now is that we cannot even
> > > build MXNet on Windows 7 because the build process requires MS VS 2015 w/
> > > update 3 which is incompatible on Windows 7. This leaves many Windows 7
> > > related open issues on github without any timely response. In my opinion,
> > > having no response to users' request is probably even worse than letting
> > > them know the limitation of OS support.
> > >
> > > To minimize the impact to current Windows 7 users, we can provide PyPi
> > > package for Windows 7 in this release but defer the bug fix and feature
> > > enhancement to later Windows OS version. Based on users' feedbacks, we
> > can
> > > then officially discontinue the Windows 7 support in the next MXNet
> > > release.
> > >
> > > I will appreciate your comments.
> > >
> > > Lin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:37 PM Sheng Zha  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Are any of the votes based on any measure of user impact, if we indeed
> > > > decide not to fix the current problems?
> > > >
> > > > -sz
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:29 PM Hagay Lupesko 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > +1 (non-binding)
> > > > > Thanks for raising this Lin!
> > > > > Are you suggesting to do it as part of MXNet 1.3?
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 9:14 AM Srivastava, Rohit Kumar <
> > > > > srivastava@buckeyemail.osu.edu> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > +1
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 8/29/18, 8:39 AM, "sandeep krishnamurthy" <
> > > > > sandeep.krishn...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > +1 Thanks for bringing this up.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 6:38 AM Marco de Abreu
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > +1
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:08 PM kellen sunderland <
> > > > > > > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > +1 (non-binding)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 1:18 AM Anirudh Acharya <
> > > > > > anirudhk...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > +1 for discontinuing.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 4:11 PM Naveen Swamy <
> > > > > mnnav...@gmail.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > +1 to stop supporting Win7
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 3:54 PM Lin Yuan <
> > > > > apefor...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Community,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Currently, our MXNet installation guide for Windows
> > > does
> > > > > not
> > > > > > work
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > Windows 7. e.g. Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 is not
> > > > > > 

CI Issue in Julia PR #10149

[Sheng Zha]

Hi,

This is regarding https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/pull/10149. The
author ran into an mxnet CI issue, and has tried to reach out to the people
who donated the CI system on the PR but didn't get a response. As a result,
the progress on porting the Julia binding is halted for three weeks now. He
reached out to me on Slack to get help. Since the CI was donated by Amazon,
I pinged the team at Amazon that is responsible for the CI operations
through other channels 10 days ago but so far the author still hasn't
received a response as of 3am today.

I'm reaching out to the wider community in case the CI issues are being
more closely monitored here and in case others know of better ways to help
Iblis.

-sz

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

[kellen sunderland]

I haven't spoken to anyone about the decision (as I'm currently on an
island in the med) but to me the quick +1s are likely a result of this
being a fairly straightforward decision.  The factors that went into my
thinking were (1) prioritizing growing platforms rather than shrinking
platforms (i.e. thinking long term rather than shirt term) and (2)  earning
our customers' trust.  Claiming support for a platform when we can't
realistically deliver it would lose us trust.  I'd prefer to over deliver
and under promise when it come to windows 7 for this reason.

Now on the flip side one thing I would see as valuable is to try and get
windows builds working with clang.  This could be beneficial in the sense
that it would be easy to maintain for mxnet devs and allow us to use modern
cpp on older windows machines without using vs 2013(which I consider a
non-starter with our codebase).

You have peaked my curiousity though Sheng.  How many win7 users does MXNet
have relative to macos/Linux?

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018, 8:51 AM Sheng Zha  wrote:

> Hi Yuan,
>
> No problem. This is an issue that's worth having a clear definition, so
> there's nothing wrong about your proposal, and thanks for bringing this up.
>
> I'm more concerned about the seemingly unanimous votes on dropping support
> on a platform without seeing the supporting evidence that it's the right
> thing. It is as if everyone who participated in the vote are already on the
> same page, and somehow I'm the only one that's not. But the only argument I
> hear so far is that it's technically not straightforward to continue the
> support, which, coming from Amazon folks, certainly doesn't sound
> customer-obsessed.
>
> -sz
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 11:37 PM Lin Yuan  wrote:
>
> > Hi Sheng,
> >
> > Thanks for raising this concern. The problem now is that we cannot even
> > build MXNet on Windows 7 because the build process requires MS VS 2015 w/
> > update 3 which is incompatible on Windows 7. This leaves many Windows 7
> > related open issues on github without any timely response. In my opinion,
> > having no response to users' request is probably even worse than letting
> > them know the limitation of OS support.
> >
> > To minimize the impact to current Windows 7 users, we can provide PyPi
> > package for Windows 7 in this release but defer the bug fix and feature
> > enhancement to later Windows OS version. Based on users' feedbacks, we
> can
> > then officially discontinue the Windows 7 support in the next MXNet
> > release.
> >
> > I will appreciate your comments.
> >
> > Lin
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:37 PM Sheng Zha  wrote:
> >
> > > Are any of the votes based on any measure of user impact, if we indeed
> > > decide not to fix the current problems?
> > >
> > > -sz
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:29 PM Hagay Lupesko 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1 (non-binding)
> > > > Thanks for raising this Lin!
> > > > Are you suggesting to do it as part of MXNet 1.3?
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 9:14 AM Srivastava, Rohit Kumar <
> > > > srivastava@buckeyemail.osu.edu> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > +1
> > > > >
> > > > > On 8/29/18, 8:39 AM, "sandeep krishnamurthy" <
> > > > sandeep.krishn...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > +1 Thanks for bringing this up.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 6:38 AM Marco de Abreu
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > +1
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:08 PM kellen sunderland <
> > > > > > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > +1 (non-binding)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 1:18 AM Anirudh Acharya <
> > > > > anirudhk...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > +1 for discontinuing.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 4:11 PM Naveen Swamy <
> > > > mnnav...@gmail.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > +1 to stop supporting Win7
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 3:54 PM Lin Yuan <
> > > > apefor...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Dear Community,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Currently, our MXNet installation guide for Windows
> > does
> > > > not
> > > > > work
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > Windows 7. e.g. Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 is not
> > > > > supported on
> > > > > > > > Windows
> > > > > > > > > 7
> > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/support/vs2015/received-error-specified-program-requires-newer-version-windows/
> > > > > > > > > > >.
> > > > > > > > > > In addition, MSFT ended “Mainstream” support for
> > Windows
> > > 7
> > > > > in 2015
> 

reminder next virtual Apache MXNet hangout on Sep 5th 8am and 5pm PDT

[Steffen Rochel]

Our next virtual Apache MXNet hangout will be on Sep 5th at 8am and 5pm
PDT. Hope you can join.

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Proposed Agenda:

   1. Introduction of participants
   2. Release 1.3 updates
   3. Feedback on PR Best Practices
   
   4. Brainstorm for next release(s)

Re: request to join slack channel

[Steffen Rochel]

Hi Qian - welcome to the Apache MXNet project. What are you interested in
and how can we help you to ramp up on the project?
Regards,
Steffen

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 2:58 AM Qian WANG  wrote:

>

request to join slack channel

[Qian WANG]

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

[Sheng Zha]

Hi Yuan,

No problem. This is an issue that's worth having a clear definition, so
there's nothing wrong about your proposal, and thanks for bringing this up.

I'm more concerned about the seemingly unanimous votes on dropping support
on a platform without seeing the supporting evidence that it's the right
thing. It is as if everyone who participated in the vote are already on the
same page, and somehow I'm the only one that's not. But the only argument I
hear so far is that it's technically not straightforward to continue the
support, which, coming from Amazon folks, certainly doesn't sound
customer-obsessed.

-sz

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 11:37 PM Lin Yuan  wrote:

> Hi Sheng,
>
> Thanks for raising this concern. The problem now is that we cannot even
> build MXNet on Windows 7 because the build process requires MS VS 2015 w/
> update 3 which is incompatible on Windows 7. This leaves many Windows 7
> related open issues on github without any timely response. In my opinion,
> having no response to users' request is probably even worse than letting
> them know the limitation of OS support.
>
> To minimize the impact to current Windows 7 users, we can provide PyPi
> package for Windows 7 in this release but defer the bug fix and feature
> enhancement to later Windows OS version. Based on users' feedbacks, we can
> then officially discontinue the Windows 7 support in the next MXNet
> release.
>
> I will appreciate your comments.
>
> Lin
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:37 PM Sheng Zha  wrote:
>
> > Are any of the votes based on any measure of user impact, if we indeed
> > decide not to fix the current problems?
> >
> > -sz
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:29 PM Hagay Lupesko  wrote:
> >
> > > +1 (non-binding)
> > > Thanks for raising this Lin!
> > > Are you suggesting to do it as part of MXNet 1.3?
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 9:14 AM Srivastava, Rohit Kumar <
> > > srivastava@buckeyemail.osu.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1
> > > >
> > > > On 8/29/18, 8:39 AM, "sandeep krishnamurthy" <
> > > sandeep.krishn...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > +1 Thanks for bringing this up.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 6:38 AM Marco de Abreu
> > > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > +1
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:08 PM kellen sunderland <
> > > > > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > +1 (non-binding)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 1:18 AM Anirudh Acharya <
> > > > anirudhk...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > +1 for discontinuing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 4:11 PM Naveen Swamy <
> > > mnnav...@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > +1 to stop supporting Win7
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 3:54 PM Lin Yuan <
> > > apefor...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dear Community,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Currently, our MXNet installation guide for Windows
> does
> > > not
> > > > work
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > Windows 7. e.g. Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 is not
> > > > supported on
> > > > > > > Windows
> > > > > > > > 7
> > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/support/vs2015/received-error-specified-program-requires-newer-version-windows/
> > > > > > > > > >.
> > > > > > > > > In addition, MSFT ended “Mainstream” support for
> Windows
> > 7
> > > > in 2015
> > > > > (
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet
> > > > > > > > > ).
> > > > > > > > > Therefore, it is not possible for developers to build
> > MXNet
> > > > and
> > > > > > verify
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > fix on Windows 7 platform. Given that there have been
> > > several
> > > > > issues
> > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > MXNet error on Windows 7 (issue#9271
> > > > > > > > >  >,
> > > > issue
> > > > > #8921
> > > > > > > > >  >,
> > > > issue
> > > > > > #11163
> > > > > > > > > <
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/11163
> > >),
> > > > it will
> > > > > > > even
> > > > > > > > > add
> > > > > > > > > more burden on developers in the future if we were to
> > > > continue
> > > > > > > supporting
> > > > > > > > > Windows 7.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I therefore would like to propose that we discontinue
> the
> > > > support
> > > >   

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

[Lin Yuan]

Hi Sheng,

Thanks for raising this concern. The problem now is that we cannot even
build MXNet on Windows 7 because the build process requires MS VS 2015 w/
update 3 which is incompatible on Windows 7. This leaves many Windows 7
related open issues on github without any timely response. In my opinion,
having no response to users' request is probably even worse than letting
them know the limitation of OS support.

To minimize the impact to current Windows 7 users, we can provide PyPi
package for Windows 7 in this release but defer the bug fix and feature
enhancement to later Windows OS version. Based on users' feedbacks, we can
then officially discontinue the Windows 7 support in the next MXNet
release.

I will appreciate your comments.

Lin



On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:37 PM Sheng Zha  wrote:

> Are any of the votes based on any measure of user impact, if we indeed
> decide not to fix the current problems?
>
> -sz
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:29 PM Hagay Lupesko  wrote:
>
> > +1 (non-binding)
> > Thanks for raising this Lin!
> > Are you suggesting to do it as part of MXNet 1.3?
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 9:14 AM Srivastava, Rohit Kumar <
> > srivastava@buckeyemail.osu.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > On 8/29/18, 8:39 AM, "sandeep krishnamurthy" <
> > sandeep.krishn...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > +1 Thanks for bringing this up.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 6:38 AM Marco de Abreu
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:08 PM kellen sunderland <
> > > > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > +1 (non-binding)
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 1:18 AM Anirudh Acharya <
> > > anirudhk...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > +1 for discontinuing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 4:11 PM Naveen Swamy <
> > mnnav...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > +1 to stop supporting Win7
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 3:54 PM Lin Yuan <
> > apefor...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dear Community,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Currently, our MXNet installation guide for Windows does
> > not
> > > work
> > > > for
> > > > > > > > Windows 7. e.g. Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 is not
> > > supported on
> > > > > > Windows
> > > > > > > 7
> > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/support/vs2015/received-error-specified-program-requires-newer-version-windows/
> > > > > > > > >.
> > > > > > > > In addition, MSFT ended “Mainstream” support for Windows
> 7
> > > in 2015
> > > > (
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet
> > > > > > > > ).
> > > > > > > > Therefore, it is not possible for developers to build
> MXNet
> > > and
> > > > > verify
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > fix on Windows 7 platform. Given that there have been
> > several
> > > > issues
> > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > MXNet error on Windows 7 (issue#9271
> > > > > > > > ,
> > > issue
> > > > #8921
> > > > > > > > ,
> > > issue
> > > > > #11163
> > > > > > > >  >),
> > > it will
> > > > > > even
> > > > > > > > add
> > > > > > > > more burden on developers in the future if we were to
> > > continue
> > > > > > supporting
> > > > > > > > Windows 7.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I therefore would like to propose that we discontinue the
> > > support
> > > > of
> > > > > > > MXNet
> > > > > > > > on Windows 7 in the next release.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Specifically, this means the following required actions:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1) state the discontinuation of Windows 7 support in the
> > > release
> > > > note
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2) update the MXNet webpage if Windows version is
> > mentioned.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 3) update the open Github issues related to Windows 7
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Please share your thoughts about this proposal and/or
> > > suggest if
> > > > > there
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > any other missing action item from the above.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Lin
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > 

RE: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

[Lv, Tao A]

If we really want to discontinue the support on Win7, maybe it should happen in 
a major release like 2.0.0.


-Original Message-
From: dev-return-4003-tao.a.lv=intel@mxnet.incubator.apache.org 
[mailto:dev-return-4003-tao.a.lv=intel@mxnet.incubator.apache.org] 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 2:21 PM
To: dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

Hi Hagay,

To minimize the impact to existing customers, I suggest we support MXNe 1.3 
installation on Windows but defer all the bug fix to Windows 10 version and ask 
users to migrate. Then we officially discontinue the support on Windows
7 in the 1.4 release.

Thanks,

Lin

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:29 PM Hagay Lupesko  wrote:

> +1 (non-binding)
> Thanks for raising this Lin!
> Are you suggesting to do it as part of MXNet 1.3?
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 9:14 AM Srivastava, Rohit Kumar < 
> srivastava@buckeyemail.osu.edu> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > On 8/29/18, 8:39 AM, "sandeep krishnamurthy" <
> sandeep.krishn...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > +1 Thanks for bringing this up.
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 6:38 AM Marco de Abreu
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:08 PM kellen sunderland <
> > > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1 (non-binding)
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 1:18 AM Anirudh Acharya < 
> > anirudhk...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > +1 for discontinuing.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 4:11 PM Naveen Swamy <
> mnnav...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > +1 to stop supporting Win7
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 3:54 PM Lin Yuan <
> apefor...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Community,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Currently, our MXNet installation guide for Windows 
> > does
> not
> > work
> > > for
> > > > > > > Windows 7. e.g. Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 is not 
> > supported on
> > > > > Windows
> > > > > > 7
> > > > > > > <
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/support/vs2015/received-error-sp
> ecified-program-requires-newer-version-windows/
> > > > > > > >.
> > > > > > > In addition, MSFT ended “Mainstream” support for 
> > Windows 7 in 2015
> > > (
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-
> sheet
> > > > > > > ).
> > > > > > > Therefore, it is not possible for developers to build 
> > MXNet and
> > > > verify
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > fix on Windows 7 platform. Given that there have been
> several
> > > issues
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > > MXNet error on Windows 7 (issue#9271
> > > > > > > 
> > ,
> > issue
> > > #8921
> > > > > > > 
> > ,
> > issue
> > > > #11163
> > > > > > > 
> > ),
> > it will
> > > > > even
> > > > > > > add
> > > > > > > more burden on developers in the future if we were to 
> > continue
> > > > > supporting
> > > > > > > Windows 7.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I therefore would like to propose that we discontinue 
> > the support
> > > of
> > > > > > MXNet
> > > > > > > on Windows 7 in the next release.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Specifically, this means the following required actions:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1) state the discontinuation of Windows 7 support in 
> > the release
> > > note
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2) update the MXNet webpage if Windows version is
> mentioned.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3) update the open Github issues related to Windows 7
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please share your thoughts about this proposal and/or 
> > suggest if
> > > > there
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > any other missing action item from the above.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lin
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sandeep Krishnamurthy
> >
> >
> >
>