Re: [native-lang] es: Lista de Correo

2010-10-19 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
Hello Louis,

On Tuesday 19 October 2010, 01:36, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
 I just learned of this site on the ES project and would respectfully ask
 the lead of the project—Alexandro—to remove it, as it would seem to only
 instil confusion in the community, and to me is a transgressive use—a
 misuse—of OpenOffice.org resources.
 
 
 http://es.openoffice.org/comunidad/listas.html

me and other members of the Spanish-speaking community have been asking him to 
remove this page, and put the link to the project lists
http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList

And this since the 4th October without any kind of answer from his side, see 
http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=usersmsgNo=9038

Notice that the original message on  
http://es.openoffice.org/comunidad/listas.html said 

Estamos trabajando en migrar a las nuevas listas de OpenOffice.org a 
DocumentFoundation y LibreOffice. Favor de registrarte aqu en:

last time I checked this, on Sunday. 
Now the message has changed to

Estamos trabajando en migrar a las nuevas listas de OOoES. Favor de 
registrarte aqu en:

but anyway this is not like 
http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList
and it seems he is still trying to collect OOo user's mails using OOo 
resources to migrate them when there is an ES LO mailing list, as said in his 
original message:

facilitar la migracion a DocumentFoundation asociandote a nuestra
newsletter para poder mantener tu correo y contactarte con el nuevo correo
que posiblemente haya en DocumentFoundation en Espanol.


Besides this, I find very un-ethical that 

* while he unilaterally  took the decision to put the message on  
http://es.openoffice.org/comunidad/listas.html 

* he is still being Co-Lead of http://es.openoffice.org
Co-Lead of http://education.openoffice.org
Project Lead of http://certification.openoffice.org/

* he is evidently promoting LO/TDF, see
http://www.slideshare.net/jza/10-aos-de-openofficeorg
and his obvious invitation orignally on  
http://es.openoffice.org/comunidad/listas.html (not the one you can read today)

I find very un-ethical that he sees no COI at all, and still tries to travel 
using OOo reources 
http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=devmsgNo=31039
But this discussion is for another thread...


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: [native-lang] es: Lista de Correo

2010-10-19 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
Hello *

On Tuesday 19 October 2010, 13:37, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
 We are moving to our own mailing list, so for that, we are compiling a
 database of the members of the list, *we are still subscribing them to the
 list*. However through a database 'proxy' where we could retrieve the
 'community' of contributors. We have held several meetings on the matter
 and agree the message was a bit missleading. 

misleading? 

Estamos trabajando en migrar a las nuevas listas de OpenOffice.org a 
 DocumentFoundation y LibreOffice. Favor de registrarte aqu[í] en:

the message is very clear: 
you are working to migrate the OpenOffice.org ES mailing list to the new 
Document Foundation and LibreOffice mailing lists

Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: [native-lang] es: Lista de Correo

2010-10-19 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
Hello Jesús,

On Tuesday 19 October 2010, 15:06, Jesús Corrius wrote:
 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
 
 ariel.constenla.ha...@googlemail.com wrote:
  Hello *
  
  On Tuesday 19 October 2010, 13:37, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
  We are moving to our own mailing list, so for that, we are compiling a
  database of the members of the list, *we are still subscribing them to
  the list*. However through a database 'proxy' where we could retrieve
  the 'community' of contributors. We have held several meetings on the
  matter and agree the message was a bit missleading.
  
  misleading?
  
  Estamos trabajando en migrar a las nuevas listas de OpenOffice.org a
   DocumentFoundation y LibreOffice. Favor de registrarte aqu[í] en:
  
  the message is very clear:
  you are working to migrate the OpenOffice.org ES mailing list to the new
  Document Foundation and LibreOffice mailing lists
 
 Yes, I agree that the message is very clear and not misleading.
 We should let people take their own decisions.
 
 Thanks, Ariel, for pointing this.

well, I just pointed this that was very obvious for us who speak Spanish.

Please notice (before I'll be flamed in the OOo ES mailing list by telling me I 
have something personal against Alexandro), that it wasn't me who told Louis 
about this problem: IMO this should have been discussed in our ES community. 

Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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