Am 23.09.18 um 21:20 schrieb Jan Tosovsky:
On 2018-09-18 Peter Nabbefeld wrote:
While JavaHelp might be licensed under AL2, it still suffers from UI
support.
What about some JavaHelp 3.0 (which probably needs a new name), building
on Lucene but with a replaceable GUI (probably based on Servo
Too many nested comments inline already, sorry, so I try to summarize.
Please feel free to remove the discussion at the bottom, if You agree it
is not needed anymore.
1. I don't like documentation handled differently based on friend-state.
There should always be sufficient information on every
Hello,
FWIW, I think a `Work Offline` global property sounds a great idea. Sometimes,
connections go down. You won`t have to stop that idea growing within.
From: Laszlo Kishalmi
To: dev
Sent: Sunday, 23 September 2018, 3:35
Subject: Work Offline as a Global Setting for the Platform?
Hi,
I really need to work with my nb platform apps offline and in the past I had
only a few issues
to fight with, to make my apps working offline:
- xml file with reference schema files with http://...
- strange behavoir if during plugin download/installation the computer gos
offline
- unconvi
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Sure. These kinds of issues have happened many times before and will happen
many times again.
Will try to track it down on the Oracle end.
Gj
On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 9:26 PM, Matthias Bläsing wrote:
> Hi Geertjan,
>
> Am Sonntag, den 23.09.2018, 21:13 +0200 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga:
> > On Su
Hi Geertjan,
Am Sonntag, den 23.09.2018, 21:13 +0200 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga:
> On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 5:46 PM, Antonio wrote:
>
> > It seems this is an SSL related problem [1]. Maybe this is due to
> > domain
> > donation?
> >
>
>
> Will try to find out.
it would be great if you could ra
On 2018-09-18 Peter Nabbefeld wrote:
>
> While JavaHelp might be licensed under AL2, it still suffers from UI
> support.
>
> What about some JavaHelp 3.0 (which probably needs a new name), building
> on Lucene but with a replaceable GUI (probably based on Servo renderer)?
>
JavaHelp format is k
On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 7:23 PM Peter Nabbefeld
wrote:
>
>
> Am 23.09.18 um 18:17 schrieb Jan Lahoda:
> > [...]
> >
> > I think that having a reasonable documentation was traditionally one of
> the
> > requirements for a public API modules. (I doubt csl.api went through the
> > API review process
On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 5:46 PM, Antonio wrote:
> It seems this is an SSL related problem [1]. Maybe this is due to domain
> donation?
>
Will try to find out.
The various domains are in kind of a limbo right now, see:
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/October2018
That could be the reason here
Hi Glenn,
Am Sonntag, den 23.09.2018, 13:12 -0500 schrieb Glenn Holmer:
> 1) Where is the format of the external/*-license.txt file documented
> (e.g. ide/db.drivers/external/postgresql-9.4.1209-license.txt)?
There is no formal documentation I'm aware of. If you are interested in
the code, that p
On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 3:43 PM, Peter Nabbefeld
wrote:
> Hello,
>
> as I've read on the users list, the netbeans.org domain has been
> officially donated to Apache, so Maven plugins etc. should be put there,
> now. (Message was from Geertjan Wielenga, on Subject "[Platform] Maven
> artefacts".
Hi Glenn,
1. They're not documented, probably they should be. The way we're doing it
right now is to take a look at how it's done in one module and then apply
it to another module.
2. That's my understanding, yes.
Gj
On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 8:12 PM, Glenn Holmer
wrote:
> Some questions about
Am 23.09.18 um 19:35 schrieb Matthias Bläsing:
Hi,
Am Sonntag, den 23.09.2018, 19:23 +0200 schrieb Peter Nabbefeld:
I think that having a reasonable documentation was traditionally
one of the
requirements for a public API modules. (I doubt csl.api went
through the
API review process.)
(nex
Hi, I've found this, but it's probably outdated:
http://wiki.netbeans.org/DevFaqExternalLibraries
Kind regards
Peter
Am 23.09.18 um 20:12 schrieb Glenn Holmer:
Some questions about downloading external binaries at build time:
1) Where is the format of the external/*-license.txt file documente
Some questions about downloading external binaries at build time:
1) Where is the format of the external/*-license.txt file documented
(e.g. ide/db.drivers/external/postgresql-9.4.1209-license.txt)?
2) Do I understand correctly that whether a binary is downloaded from
Maven or from hg.netbeans.or
Hi,
Am Sonntag, den 23.09.2018, 19:23 +0200 schrieb Peter Nabbefeld:
> > I think that having a reasonable documentation was traditionally
> > one of the
> > requirements for a public API modules. (I doubt csl.api went
> > through the
> > API review process.)
> >
>
> (next sentence is meant to be
Am 23.09.18 um 18:17 schrieb Jan Lahoda:
[...]
I think that having a reasonable documentation was traditionally one of the
requirements for a public API modules. (I doubt csl.api went through the
API review process.)
(next sentence is meant to be sarcastic):
So, if I'm too lazy to write som
On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 5:40 PM Peter Nabbefeld
wrote:
>
>
> Am 23.09.18 um 17:02 schrieb Jan Lahoda:
> > On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 3:22 PM Peter Nabbefeld
> > wrote:
> >
> >> 1) Yes, usually the API is reasonably stable in most areas after being
> >> used as a friend-only API for some releases, s
Jep, agree. I also tried DocBook and broke my neck on it. Did cost too
much time.
Too keep it simply we could go with the standard Online help but with an
offline option so the help can be read if not connected. Conversion
would be minimal as one "only" would need to migrate the control XML
f
It seems this is an SSL related problem [1]. Maybe this is due to domain
donation?
Cheers,
Antonio
[1]
$ curl -I -v https://hg.netbeans.org/binaries/
* Trying 137.254.60.37...
* TCP_NODELAY set
* Connected to hg.netbeans.org (137.254.60.37) port 443 (#0)
* ALPN, offering h2
* ALPN, offering
Am 23.09.18 um 17:02 schrieb Jan Lahoda:
On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 3:22 PM Peter Nabbefeld
wrote:
1) Yes, usually the API is reasonably stable in most areas after being
used as a friend-only API for some releases, so if it is difficult to
change, this will be a rare event. So, You'll have rar
On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 3:22 PM Peter Nabbefeld
wrote:
> 1) Yes, usually the API is reasonably stable in most areas after being
> used as a friend-only API for some releases, so if it is difficult to
> change, this will be a rare event. So, You'll have rarely to do many
> changes and can do some
@Geertjan Wielenga Can you find out
what's wrong with hg.netbeans.org/binaries please?
The cloning issue is resolved for now, but the next error in the build is:
Could not download
1DE46CC85D147D9F91AF59D4A0107091C8B112D6-java-cup-11a.jar from
http://hg.netbeans.org/binaries/: java.io.IOExceptio
On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 5:18 AM Oliver Rettig wrote:
> Hi Jan,
>
> this sound interesting for me. In the past I have also thought about
> DocBook
Having written two books using DocBook, one word: Don't.
Something simple and text-based, especially something you can fill the gaps
in with HTML ma
Hello,
as I've read on the users list, the netbeans.org domain has been
officially donated to Apache, so Maven plugins etc. should be put there,
now. (Message was from Geertjan Wielenga, on Subject "[Platform] Maven
artefacts". For me, question remains what will happen to NB 8.2 plugins.
So,
Hi,
I was looking into the maven artifacts issue earlier and noticed the linux
build has been failing[1].
Anyone any ideas before I reach out to infra?
Regards
John
[1]: ERROR: Error fetching remote repo 'origin'
hudson.plugins.git.GitException: Failed to fetch from
https://github.com/apache/i
1) Yes, usually the API is reasonably stable in most areas after being
used as a friend-only API for some releases, so if it is difficult to
change, this will be a rare event. So, You'll have rarely to do many
changes and can do some effort in these rare cases, if really necessary.
IMHO that sh
So, if I understand correctly, the view is a combination of c) ("it is OK
if doing changes to the API is difficult", like writing compatibility
layers, more elaborate migration tutorials, updating existing plugins etc.)
and b) (making an occasional incompatible change).
I think I am fine with that
The problem here is:
1. If every API is friend-only, nobody will be able to depend on those
without first becoming a friend. Or You have to depend on implementation
version. So, these APIs will never be reviewed by the broader community
and will never be ready for usage.
2. If the API is pub
On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 11:03 AM Christian Lenz
wrote:
> Hey guys,
>
> please see my last 3 comments of this ticket. It explains, why it is
> important to have public APIs instead of Friends:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-1035?focusedCommentId=16574478&page=com.atlassian.jira.p
Hi Jan,
this sound interesting for me. In the past I have also thought about DocBook.
Can you share
the XSLT stylesheets to get an idea how it works and how looks?
There exist some ant tasks
http://ant4docbook.sourceforge.net/
maybe based on we can create some default procedure to integreate
Until we put together the official new feature page on netbeans.apache.org,
this is where we're gathering all the features -- so, if anyone has had
their pull requests merged, and if those pull requests result in some kind
of enhancement that is going to be noticeable by a user, please consider
bri
Hey Lazlo,
thx for your Suggestion. Yeah it makes sense to me too. 😊
Cheers
Chris
Von: Laszlo Kishalmi
Gesendet: Samstag, 22. September 2018 01:24
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: AW: Ticket, Sub-Tasks and PRs
I'd create two separate stories linked together.
These two imp
Hi,
I have used JavaHelp consequently in my platform apps for the last 10 years
with all its
disadavantages but it fulfills my main needs. So it was ok. And the best thing
was it works
and I have not to think about this.
Now it is not available any more and I think we should better think abo
Hi Laszlo,
Fantastic list of items and you clearly are going to be a great release
manager.
One related item is that, or as a reminder, is that there'll be one or more
voting candidates that you'll be putting together, which we could call
Alpha, Beta, etc, but in Apache terminology will be voting
Hey guys,
please see my last 3 comments of this ticket. It explains, why it is important
to have public APIs instead of Friends:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-1035?focusedCommentId=16574478&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#comment-16574478
> 4. In JIRA we need a new version (or two versions for 10.0 an 11.0).
> BTW I do not know if the 9.0 has been marked as closed. Do we have a
> JIRA admin guy or we need to requests these modifications?
I've "released 9.0" on JIRA and created a 10.0 version now.
Regards
John
On Sun, 23
+1 to Geertjan words.
I am particulary concerned about:
"CD30 The code can be built in a reproducible way using widely available
standard tools."
We of course can build NetBeans using "widely available standard tools"
(Apache Ant).
But I am not sure the build is reproducible if the binarie
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