Re: VOTE: Begin Replacing OFBiz Framework With Moqui

2015-04-26 Thread Adam Heath
"Begin replacing ..." is not an actional item. How can we vote on something that is ill-defined? Just saying. On 04/26/2015 08:09 PM, Ron Wheeler wrote: +1 for being too early. -1 for going ahead as a project +1 for a PoC and impact analysis Ron On 26/04/2015 6:46 PM, Pierre Smits wrote: Fi

Re: VOTE: Begin Replacing OFBiz Framework With Moqui

2015-04-26 Thread Ron Wheeler
+1 for being too early. -1 for going ahead as a project +1 for a PoC and impact analysis Ron On 26/04/2015 6:46 PM, Pierre Smits wrote: First of all, a big thanks to Adrian for taking this step, this RtV (Request to Vote) to get clarity from the community. A lot has been said over the last week

Re: VOTE: Begin Replacing OFBiz Framework With Moqui

2015-04-26 Thread Adam Heath
On 04/26/2015 06:13 PM, Adam Heath wrote: On 04/26/2015 02:27 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: No one is going to invest their time and effort in a POC unless they have the approval and support of the community. I don't think you're going to see a POC before a vote. I would. I haven't yet looked at

Re: VOTE: Begin Replacing OFBiz Framework With Moqui

2015-04-26 Thread Adam Heath
On 04/26/2015 02:27 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: No one is going to invest their time and effort in a POC unless they have the approval and support of the community. I don't think you're going to see a POC before a vote. I would.

Re: VOTE: Begin Replacing OFBiz Framework With Moqui

2015-04-26 Thread Adam Heath
On 04/26/2015 09:44 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: As was discussed last week, there is some interest in replacing some (or all) of OFBiz with Moqui (http://www.moqui.org/framework/index.html). To the scope reasonable, I propose that we begin by converting0 the following parts of the OFBiz framework w

Re: VOTE: Begin Replacing OFBiz Framework With Moqui

2015-04-26 Thread Pierre Smits
First of all, a big thanks to Adrian for taking this step, this RtV (Request to Vote) to get clarity from the community. A lot has been said over the last week regarding adopting a new architecture for a future release. When discussions, like fire, die down it is good to find out where the communi

Re: VOTE: Begin Replacing OFBiz Framework With Moqui

2015-04-26 Thread Michael Brohl
Thank you for the clarification. I'll stick to my vote and my arguments then. Michael Brohl ecomify GmbH www.ecomify.de Am 26.04.15 um 22:33 schrieb Adrian Crum: No, it is not a vote for a POC. If the community agrees we need to make a change, then we can create a Jira issue, branch, POC, etc.

Re: VOTE: Begin Replacing OFBiz Framework With Moqui

2015-04-26 Thread Adrian Crum
No, it is not a vote for a POC. If the community agrees we need to make a change, then we can create a Jira issue, branch, POC, etc. No one is going to go to all that work if in the end the community says "Nope, don't want it." Adrian Crum Sandglass Software www.sandglass-software.com On 4/2

Re: VOTE: Begin Replacing OFBiz Framework With Moqui

2015-04-26 Thread Michael Brohl
Adrian, that's what I tried to say and what Ron asked: if it's a vote for a POC and not a final decision to replace OFBiz with Moqui: +1 The vote title is not about a POC but about a decision to begin replacing. For me this sounds like a difference. Might be a language problem on my side.

Re: VOTE: Begin Replacing OFBiz Framework With Moqui

2015-04-26 Thread Adrian Crum
No one is going to invest their time and effort in a POC unless they have the approval and support of the community. I don't think you're going to see a POC before a vote. Adrian Crum Sandglass Software www.sandglass-software.com On 4/26/2015 6:39 PM, Michael Brohl wrote: -1 (not binding) Th

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Re: VOTE: Begin Replacing OFBiz Framework With Moqui

2015-04-26 Thread Michael Brohl
-1 (not binding) This is *not* a vote against moving to Moqui or replacing parts of OFBiz with Moqui or... I simply feel there is not enough discussion, deeper insights in the effects, a clear path how to do it etc., at least for me. I would prefer to have some scenarios described, take a de

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Re: VOTE: Begin Replacing OFBiz Framework With Moqui

2015-04-26 Thread Ron Wheeler
Is this a proposal for a POC? If so, where will this be done and what is estimated amount of time required to complete the POC. What will be required to complete te conversion if the POC is successful? What is the impact on the framework as a product if it is successful? Ron On 26/04/2015 10:

[jira] [Updated] (OFBIZ-6268) Improve Start.java Component Loading

2015-04-26 Thread Adrian Crum (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-6268?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Adrian Crum updated OFBIZ-6268: --- Attachment: OFBIZ-6268.patch Improved patch. Hard-coded class paths have been replaced with properties

VOTE: Begin Replacing OFBiz Framework With Moqui

2015-04-26 Thread Adrian Crum
As was discussed last week, there is some interest in replacing some (or all) of OFBiz with Moqui (http://www.moqui.org/framework/index.html). To the scope reasonable, I propose that we begin by converting the following parts of the OFBiz framework with Moqui: Entity Engine Service Engine Sec

Re: Discussion: Replace framework by Moqui.

2015-04-26 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
On Apr 26, 2015, at 4:20 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: > We have to start somewhere. Replacing all of OFBiz with Moqui is a > non-starter. We simply don't have the resources for it. So let's start small. > > Instead of me trying to guess which suitable subject line is hidden in your > head, why don'

Re: Discussion: Replace framework by Moqui.

2015-04-26 Thread Ron Wheeler
+1 to Jacopo's POV. The discussion had been very good with a positive tone and a lot of factual issues been raised. I have not seen a POC project. This would seem to be a prerequisite for a decision of this magnitude. In the past, there has been a discussion about "marketing" the framework

Re: Discussion: Replace framework by Moqui.

2015-04-26 Thread Ron Wheeler
It does look like a lot of long-standing big issues are being looked at. However, they are all independent projects that can be accepted or rejected without affecting the other major projects. Most of them (Maven, git, directory structure) are actually pretty short to implement even if they re

Re: Discussion: Replace framework by Moqui.

2015-04-26 Thread Adrian Crum
We have to start somewhere. Replacing all of OFBiz with Moqui is a non-starter. We simply don't have the resources for it. So let's start small. Instead of me trying to guess which suitable subject line is hidden in your head, why don't you just tell us what you think is acceptable to vote on

Re: Discussion: Replace framework by Moqui.

2015-04-26 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
On Apr 26, 2015, at 3:09 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: > How about "Replace framework core functionality - like entity engine, service > engine, and security with Moqui." > > Is that specific enough? > Not really: we have talked about bringing the whole Moqui codebase into the OFBiz trunk (bad ide

Re: Discussion: Replace framework by Moqui.

2015-04-26 Thread Taher Alkhateeb
Hey Everyone, It seems like too many massive changes are being looked at at the same time. Moqui, Git, Maven and Directory Structure. Shouldn't all these items be looked at given that one affects the other? Taher Alkhateeb On Apr 26, 2015 4:10 PM, "Adrian Crum" wrote: > How about "Replace frame

Re: Discussion: Replace framework by Moqui.

2015-04-26 Thread Adrian Crum
How about "Replace framework core functionality - like entity engine, service engine, and security with Moqui." Is that specific enough? Adrian Crum Sandglass Software www.sandglass-software.com On 4/26/2015 1:47 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: The discussion is interesting and fascinating but i

Re: Discussion: Replace framework by Moqui.

2015-04-26 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
The discussion is interesting and fascinating but in this thread completely different ideas have been expressed: from forking Moqui into OFBiz to rewriting OFBiz applications from scratch on top of Moqui etc... My vote will be negative if the vote will be as generic as "replace OFBiz framework

Re: Discussion: Replace framework by Moqui.

2015-04-26 Thread Adrian Crum
This has been discussed for nearly a week now. Shall we start a vote? Adrian Crum Sandglass Software www.sandglass-software.com On 4/20/2015 6:31 AM, Hans Bakker wrote: Again, as discussed at the ApacheCon in Austin we should start setting up a plan how to best move the ERP application to the M

[jira] [Created] (OFBIZ-6304) Add Unit Tests For Startup Code

2015-04-26 Thread Adrian Crum (JIRA)
Adrian Crum created OFBIZ-6304: -- Summary: Add Unit Tests For Startup Code Key: OFBIZ-6304 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-6304 Project: OFBiz Issue Type: Improvement C

[jira] [Updated] (OFBIZ-6302) Ftl to Widget: improve ViewCertificate to use widgets in stead of ftl

2015-04-26 Thread Pierre Smits (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-6302?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Pierre Smits updated OFBIZ-6302: Attachment: OFBIZ-6302-Certificate.patch This patch addresses the issue. > Ftl to Widget: improve V