Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-04-17 Thread Albino B Neto
2013/4/16 Claudio Filho filh...@gmail.com: Sorry by my newbie understanding about the question. I am studing the requeriment to build into debian way, getting many problems to bring the code to be debianized, breaking in some parts (at this moment in pdfimport module) and to know more about

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-04-16 Thread Claudio Filho
Err... Sorry but... the extentions cited by Ariel will be integrated in the source as code and not as extension? In other words, will be part of core? As he explained, make sense for me to merge this functions in the code in the same way of Solver was in the past. Sorry by my newbie

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-04-03 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 3/27/13 3:23 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:12:39AM +0100, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Different opinions came up and we had some discussion and you pointed out that you can live with feedback. Where is exactly your problem now? I don't have any problem at all.

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-29 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 11:45:41PM +0100, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: If dictionaries were ALv2, for sure AOO would include them, as Sun/Oracle did (this was something the native-lang asked for long time). So this is something we use with dictionaries just because we

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-27 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 3/27/13 2:48 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 11:03:09AM +0100, Andre Fischer wrote: IMO it was a non-sense from the beginning to develop these as extensions (at least the presentation minimizer and the presenter screen, that have no external dependencies). I

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-27 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:12:39AM +0100, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Different opinions came up and we had some discussion and you pointed out that you can live with feedback. Where is exactly your problem now? I don't have any problem at all. I don't think that it will help us if we react this

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-27 Thread janI
On 27 March 2013 15:23, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:12:39AM +0100, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Different opinions came up and we had some discussion and you pointed out that you can live with feedback. Where is exactly your problem now? I don't have

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-27 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 3/27/13 3:23 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:12:39AM +0100, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Different opinions came up and we had some discussion and you pointed out that you can live with feedback. Where is exactly your problem now? I don't have any problem at all. I

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-27 Thread Andre Fischer
On 27.03.2013 15:23, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: Please don't turn this into a circus like the one with the 0^0. In this we agree :-) While I still stand by my arguments, I see now that I should have chosen different words. I have the highest respect for you and your work and did not

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-27 Thread Malte Timmermann
Didn't read all the replies, but anyway: +1. Also good for startup-performance, if I remember correctly... On 22.03.2013 17:15, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi, the so called 3layer office is not really useful anymore (it was never) and makes more problems than it helps. I thought that AOO 4.0

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-27 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.comwrote: On demand I can provide test builds if there are people interested to help with testing. Juergen Great work. May I suggest you upload such test builds to some cloud drive (GDrive, dropbox, etc) and share the url to

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-26 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 3/25/13 5:22 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 12:58:17PM -0300, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: I gave a new built trunk version a try on my MacBook and the presenter screen doesn't work. AOO 3.4.1 worked. It works on Windows and Linux, where I could test. Did you

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-26 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 3/25/13 6:37 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 05:37:06PM +0100, Andre Fischer wrote: On 25.03.2013 03:36, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 07:04:53PM -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: @Ariel, This is where they are in 3.4.1. Are you talking

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-26 Thread Andre Fischer
On 25.03.2013 18:37, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 05:37:06PM +0100, Andre Fischer wrote: On 25.03.2013 03:36, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 07:04:53PM -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: @Ariel, This is where they are in 3.4.1. Are you talking

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-26 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 10:32:58AM +0100, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: You are right, these extensions were bundled with the installation; IMO it was a non-sense from the beginning to develop these as extensions (at least the presentation minimizer and the presenter screen, that have no external

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-26 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 3/26/13 11:07 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 10:32:58AM +0100, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: You are right, these extensions were bundled with the installation; IMO it was a non-sense from the beginning to develop these as extensions (at least the presentation

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-26 Thread janI
On 26 March 2013 11:36, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/26/13 11:07 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 10:32:58AM +0100, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: You are right, these extensions were bundled with the installation; IMO it was a non-sense from the

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-26 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: If dictionaries were ALv2, for sure AOO would include them, as Sun/Oracle did (this was something the native-lang asked for long time). So this is something we use with dictionaries just because we cannot include them by default. In the case of dictionaries (which

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-25 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 3/25/13 3:36 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 07:04:53PM -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: @Ariel, This is where they are in 3.4.1. Are you talking about a change for 4.0 or something else? Yes, by now I meant right-now, on trunk (it would be helpful if people

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-25 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 04:29:16PM +0100, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 3/25/13 3:36 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 07:04:53PM -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: @Ariel, This is where they are in 3.4.1. Are you talking about a change for 4.0 or something else?

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-25 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 12:58:17PM -0300, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: I gave a new built trunk version a try on my MacBook and the presenter screen doesn't work. AOO 3.4.1 worked. It works on Windows and Linux, where I could test. Did you check if the libraries were even delivered from

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-25 Thread Andre Fischer
On 25.03.2013 03:36, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 07:04:53PM -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: @Ariel, This is where they are in 3.4.1. Are you talking about a change for 4.0 or something else? Yes, by now I meant right-now, on trunk (it would be helpful if people

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-25 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 05:37:06PM +0100, Andre Fischer wrote: On 25.03.2013 03:36, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 07:04:53PM -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: @Ariel, This is where they are in 3.4.1. Are you talking about a change for 4.0 or something else? Yes, by

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-25 Thread Hagar Delest
Le 25/03/2013 17:37, Andre Fischer a écrit : - Easy control over the feature set that is shipped with OpenOffice. This is something that we use extensively for dictionaries. +1. I know about the dictionaries. But basically I think that we should keep the bundled dics as few as possible and

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-25 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 09:41:18PM +0100, Hagar Delest wrote: +1. There are some advanced features that are of no use for me (like those related to Impress). In the past I could deactivate them (in 3.4.0 IIRC). But well, perhaps there is no real gain to remove the extension. But you do hit

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-25 Thread Hagar Delest
Top posting. It was just my user POV. If there is more advantages to merge such code in the main trunk, according to your experience as developer, then I've no problem with that. I'm not a developer so I don't want to interfere with false good ideas... Hagar Le 25/03/2013 23:12, Ariel

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-24 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 22/03/2013 Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Still some work to do but from my point of view a useful move forward to get rid of this complex and unnecessary 3layer stuff. What do you think? Good news! So this will also mean that we get rid of the following layout, right? /opt/openoffice-341/ |--

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-24 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 03/22/2013 05:15 PM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: [...] Still some work to do but from my point of view a useful move forward to get rid of this complex and unnecessary 3layer stuff. What do you think? You are absolutely right with cleaning up the old 3-layer-office. A big +1 to get rid of

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-24 Thread Hagar Delest
Le 24/03/2013 18:34, Rob Weir a écrit : What is the advantage to the user? I don't think users care about the directory structure. This is an internal implementation detail. So It doesn't change much for the user but it does bring more consistency for the GNU/Linux platform as said at the

RE: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-24 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
their presence in the code and user profile footprints. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:35 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-24 Thread Juergen Schmidt
-Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:35 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1 [ ... ] The one directory structure issue that we do get complaints about

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-24 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 01:59:07PM -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: * presentation-minimizer.oxt\ (2.2 MB), another folder, not the .oxt package. This is under ... share\prereg\bundled\ * presenter-screen.oxt\ (3.2 MB), another folder, same place as the preceding one These two are now

RE: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-24 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
-Original Message- From: Ariel Constenla-Haile [mailto:arie...@apache.org] Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 16:27 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1 On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 01:59:07PM -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-24 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 07:04:53PM -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: @Ariel, This is where they are in 3.4.1. Are you talking about a change for 4.0 or something else? Yes, by now I meant right-now, on trunk (it would be helpful if people -reading this mailing list, not normal users- use

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-24 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 01:34:52PM -0400, Rob Weir wrote: The one directory structure issue that we do get complaints about is our placement of dictionaries. We've heard from admins some concern about the size of our per-user profile, with the argument that immutable files like dictionaries

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-23 Thread Kay Schenk
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Ian C i...@amham.net wrote: Hi Jürgen, On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 12:15 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, the so called 3layer office is not really useful anymore (it was never) and makes more problems than it helps. I thought that

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-22 Thread O.Felka
Sorry for top posting but: +1 !!! Groetjes, Olaf Am 22.03.2013 17:15, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: Hi, the so called 3layer office is not really useful anymore (it was never) and makes more problems than it helps. I thought that AOO 4.0 would be the best time to start at least with the necessary

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-22 Thread Kay Schenk
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, the so called 3layer office is not really useful anymore (it was never) and makes more problems than it helps. I thought that AOO 4.0 would be the best time to start at least with the necessary rework. The main

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-22 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
Great work Jürgen, I am impressed. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-22 Thread Dave Fisher
This has win, win, win all over it! Does this allow 4.0 to co-exist with 3.4.1 or LO? Regards, Dave Sent from my iPhone On Mar 22, 2013, at 1:53 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: Great work Jürgen, I am impressed. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document:

Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-22 Thread Ian C
Hi Jürgen, On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 12:15 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, the so called 3layer office is not really useful anymore (it was never) and makes more problems than it helps. I thought that AOO 4.0 would be the best time to start at least with the necessary