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Re: Download Stats

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 27/06/2015 Kay Schenk wrote:

http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/devtools/aoo-stats/
using the csv file you see there ...
This was a nice feature but we need instructions.


They were sent by Rob to this list a few months ago, see

https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg22689.html

and they appear to work on the (Linux-based) system I'm using now, even 
though retrieving data takes a lot of time since the scripts send many 
queries to the SourceForge API.


I'll commit them as README.txt in 
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/devtools/aoo-stats/ as soon 
as I can.


Note: as discussed several times on this list, replacing this with a 
link to the SourceForge statistics is wrong, since the scripts do the 
right thing in terms of accounting for all downloads and reducing 
duplicates (SourceForge statistics are precise, but we don't want to 
consider, for example, a language pack as if it was a full download).


Regards,
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Re: Download Stats

[Simon Phipps]

On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Andrea Pescetti 
wrote:

>
> Note: as discussed several times on this list, replacing this with a link
> to the SourceForge statistics is wrong, since the scripts do the right
> thing in terms of accounting for all downloads and reducing duplicates
> (SourceForge statistics are precise, but we don't want to consider, for
> example, a language pack as if it was a full download).
>

While it's great to have more accurate stats, if creating them requires
regular manual intervention there is a great risk of them getting out of
date as they are now; rule one of metrics is to ensure they are integrated
with the workflow and not a stand-alone task. Perhaps changing the page to
document the issues with the SourceForge stats before linking to them would
be a good replacement? Accurate stats that need interpretation are better
than inaccurate stats...

S.

Re: Windows 10 Compatible

[Marcus]

Am 06/28/2015 08:29 AM, schrieb Rory O'Farrell:

On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 01:35:10 -0430
Alex Oliveira  wrote:


Dear Sir,

Do you have plans to make OpenOffice compatible with Windows 10 ( 32/64 )
???

Thank you very much,

Alex Oliveira


Reports on the opeOffice en-Forum are that OpenOffice  runs on Windows 10 (in 
32 bit mode). See this thread:
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=77464


that's great. Are there then any objections to add it to the sys req at 
"http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_aoo41.html";?


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Re: Windows 10 Compatible

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: Marcus
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 16:16:35 +0200

> Am 06/28/2015 08:29 AM, schrieb Rory O'Farrell:
>> On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 01:35:10 -0430
>> Alex Oliveira  wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Sir,
>>>
>>> Do you have plans to make OpenOffice compatible with Windows 10 (
>>> 32/64 )
>>> ???
>>>
>>> Thank you very much,
>>>
>>> Alex Oliveira
>>
>> Reports on the opeOffice en-Forum are that OpenOffice  runs on Windows
>> 10 (in 32 bit mode). See this thread:
>> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=77464
> 
> that's great. Are there then any objections to add it to the sys req at
> "http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_aoo41.html";?
> 
> Marcus

Go ahead. I have been testing 4.1.1 on Win 10 Preview (32 & 64) for a
few months and found no issues that are not already present when run on
Win 7, 8.0, 8.1. If anything it runs better on Win 10, but that's my
subjective view.

Dave




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Re: Windows 10 Compatible

[Marcus]

Am 06/28/2015 04:31 PM, schrieb Dave Barton:

 Original Message  
From: Marcus
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 16:16:35 +0200


Am 06/28/2015 08:29 AM, schrieb Rory O'Farrell:

On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 01:35:10 -0430
Alex Oliveira   wrote:


Dear Sir,

Do you have plans to make OpenOffice compatible with Windows 10 (
32/64 )
???

Thank you very much,

Alex Oliveira


Reports on the opeOffice en-Forum are that OpenOffice  runs on Windows
10 (in 32 bit mode). See this thread:
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=77464


that's great. Are there then any objections to add it to the sys req at
"http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_aoo41.html";?

Marcus


Go ahead. I have been testing 4.1.1 on Win 10 Preview (32&  64) for a
few months and found no issues that are not already present when run on
Win 7, 8.0, 8.1. If anything it runs better on Win 10, but that's my
subjective view.


done :-)

Will be published as soon as the problem with the donations webpage is 
solved.


Marcus


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Re: [site] Donate via Amazon - update required

[Marcus]

Am 06/27/2015 12:27 AM, schrieb Phil Steitz:

On 6/26/15 3:00 PM, Marcus wrote:

Thanks for your hint.

I've tried to update this on our webpage. However, it seems that
the ASP webpage uses some more code (CSS and/or JS) that is not
included in our page [1].

If you have a fast idea how to get this fixed, it would be greatly
appreciated. Othwerwise I will simple delete the Amazon part - or
the complete webpage, let's see. ;-)


Make sure to include this script reference at the top of the block:

https://static-na.payments-amazon.com/OffAmazonPayments/us/js/Widgets.jshttps://static-na.payments-amazon.com/OffAmazonPayments/us/js/Widgets.js>">

If you just copy the lines starting there and ending with
data-ap-payment-action="AuthorizeAndCapture"
>


from the source in [1] it should work.


OK, it's working now but the UI part is shown double. Only the bottom 
one (the smaller one) is working. Any idea?


[1] http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/donations.html

Thanks

Marcus




Am 06/25/2015 08:38 PM, schrieb Phil Steitz:

Hello AOO ppl,

Amazon has phased out the old "Amazon Simple Pay" that we used
initially to enable donations to the ASF via Amazon.  The html
snippet included on the AOO donate page [1] needs to be updated to
match what is on the main ASF donations page [2].  It looks like the
site is generated by the CMS.  I can try to update it if you all
don't mind that (and the CMS lets me do it); or someone else can do
it.  The new widget takes a little more space and is a little
goofy-looking, so it would probably be best for someone with more UI
skills than me to at least verify it.

The donations using the old code will start failing soon so we need
to get on this fairly quickly (as in the next couple of weeks).
Sorry I did not give heads up sooner.  I did not realize that you
were maintaining a separate donations page.

Phil

[1] http://www.openoffice.org/donations.html
[2] http://www.apache.org/foundation/contributing.html


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RE: Windows 10 Compatible

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Although I can also confirm that AOO 4.1.1 appears to run fine on Windows 10, I 
would not put that in the system requirements until Windows 10 "ships" on July 
29, even though the current Preview Build 10130 is likely very close.  

There are two important confirmations:
 1. Preservation of an already-installed Apache OpenOffice when an older 
Windows version configuration is upgraded.
 2. Download and installation of a fresh copy of Apache OpenOffice on a 
(upgraded) Windows 10 configuration.

The interesting question for Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 is to see if *signed* 
binaries will now install properly (and might be distributed via the Windows 
Store).  We should have time to confirm that when 4.1.2 is distributed post 
Windows 10.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] 
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 07:17
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Windows 10 Compatible

[ ... ]

 Are there then any objections to add it to the sys req at 
"http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_aoo41.html";?

Marcus

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Re: Windows 10 Compatible

[Marcus]

Am 06/28/2015 05:51 PM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:

Although I can also confirm that AOO 4.1.1 appears to run fine on Windows 10, I would not 
put that in the system requirements until Windows 10 "ships" on July 29, even 
though the current Preview Build 10130 is likely very close.


I don't think there will be significat changes within a few weeks when 
we are already so close to the new major version.



There are two important confirmations:
  1. Preservation of an already-installed Apache OpenOffice when an older 
Windows version configuration is upgraded.
  2. Download and installation of a fresh copy of Apache OpenOffice on a 
(upgraded) Windows 10 configuration.


These are points that can lead *maybe* to a problem. However, I want to 
see them as real. So, when we have no negative things until now, then 
it's an absolut positive sign.



The interesting question for Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 is to see if *signed* 
binaries will now install properly (and might be distributed via the Windows 
Store).  We should have time to confirm that when 4.1.2 is distributed post 
Windows 10.


Sure, but first we need a 4.1.2. ;-)

As always, my 2 ct.

Marcus




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From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 07:17
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Windows 10 Compatible

[ ... ]

  Are there then any objections to add it to the sys req at
"http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_aoo41.html";?

Marcus


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RE: Background to Cooperation: ASF/AOO Principles, Policies, Practices

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

I want to be very clear about the narrowness of the exemplary Apache OpenOffice 
exception.  See the remark below.  And to see how one wends through the 
deliberations around obtaining an exception, 
 is exemplary.  A general 
exploration of  reveals more 
cases as well as how rare exceptions are.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] 
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 16:56
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Background to Cooperation: ASF/AOO Principles, Policies, Practices

[ ... ]

PRACTICES AND EXCEPTIONS

There are many practices that support how the ASF pursues its mission.  The use 
of mailing lists is one example.  The use of services supported on Apache 
infrastructure is another.

There can be exceptions to policy and deviations among practices.  Exceptions 
tend to be very specific and not generalized.  (I suspect a generalization 
would be a change/amendment of policy and a serious review of any conflicts 
with established principles.)

An example of an exception that is specific to the Apache OpenOffice project is 
the distribution of convenience binaries that have writing-aid plug-ins bundled 
with them that are not themselves under a license that is acceptable for 
source-code releases.  There are a number of specific, delimited provisions 
under which this action is found consistent with Apache principles although it 
is an exception to a general policy.  This practice was only introduced after 
obtaining review and eventual concurrence via the list on which legal and 
license questions are discussed.


The narrowness of the exception for these plug-ins is that they
contain no code, they deliver data in a general format that can
be used in a well-defined technique, and that they are completely 
replaceable.  Users can also install additional ones of their 
choosing and remove/disable the ones that are provided in the 
binary distributions as a convenience.  It is also the case that, 
if one inspects the plug-in (using a form of Zip package), one 
would encounter all applicable license information and there would 
be no confusion over the license that is specific to them material
conveyed by a given plug-in. 


[ ... ]


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Re: [site] Donate via Amazon - update required

[Nancy K]

I see that   is listed twice with two different 
ap-button-(numbers). If I remove the first listing entirely the second 
continues to work on my firefox browser. Removepath;html body div#content 
div.right center div.ap-dw-container.ap-dark div.ap-dw-main 
div#ap-button-795162511.ap-dw-button
  Code:div class="ap-dw-main">Donatehttps://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/EP/offAmazonPayments/us/live/prod/image/donation/gold/medium/LwA.png";>
which leaves the second donation working and displayed larger:
Donatehttps://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/EP/offAmazonPayments/us/live/prod/image/donation/gold/medium/LwA.png";
 style="cursor:pointer;">

I tried to figure out the line number using a validator online - this should be 
around line 303. I hope this helps!Nancy
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 From: Marcus 
 To: "dev@"  
Cc: Phil Steitz  
 Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:23 AM
 Subject: Re: [site] Donate via Amazon - update required
   
Am 06/27/2015 12:27 AM, schrieb Phil Steitz:
> On 6/26/15 3:00 PM, Marcus wrote:
>> Thanks for your hint.
>>
>> I've tried to update this on our webpage. However, it seems that
>> the ASP webpage uses some more code (CSS and/or JS) that is not
>> included in our page [1].
>>
>> If you have a fast idea how to get this fixed, it would be greatly
>> appreciated. Othwerwise I will simple delete the Amazon part - or
>> the complete webpage, let's see. ;-)
>
> Make sure to include this script reference at the top of the block:
>
>  src="https://static-na.payments-amazon.com/OffAmazonPayments/us/js/Widgets.jshttps://static-na.payments-amazon.com/OffAmazonPayments/us/js/Widgets.js>">
>
> If you just copy the lines starting there and ending with
> data-ap-payment-action="AuthorizeAndCapture"
>    >
> 
>
> from the source in [1] it should work.

OK, it's working now but the UI part is shown double. Only the bottom 
one (the smaller one) is working. Any idea?

[1] http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/donations.html

Thanks

Marcus



>> Am 06/25/2015 08:38 PM, schrieb Phil Steitz:
>>> Hello AOO ppl,
>>>
>>> Amazon has phased out the old "Amazon Simple Pay" that we used
>>> initially to enable donations to the ASF via Amazon.  The html
>>> snippet included on the AOO donate page [1] needs to be updated to
>>> match what is on the main ASF donations page [2].  It looks like the
>>> site is generated by the CMS.  I can try to update it if you all
>>> don't mind that (and the CMS lets me do it); or someone else can do
>>> it.  The new widget takes a little more space and is a little
>>> goofy-looking, so it would probably be best for someone with more UI
>>> skills than me to at least verify it.
>>>
>>> The donations using the old code will start failing soon so we need
>>> to get on this fairly quickly (as in the next couple of weeks).
>>> Sorry I did not give heads up sooner.  I did not realize that you
>>> were maintaining a separate donations page.
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.openoffice.org/donations.html
>>> [2] http://www.apache.org/foundation/contributing.html

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Re: [site] Donate via Amazon - update required

[Marcus]

Am 06/28/2015 08:47 PM, schrieb Phil Steitz:

On 6/28/15 8:23 AM, Marcus wrote:

Am 06/27/2015 12:27 AM, schrieb Phil Steitz:

On 6/26/15 3:00 PM, Marcus wrote:

Thanks for your hint.

I've tried to update this on our webpage. However, it seems that
the ASP webpage uses some more code (CSS and/or JS) that is not
included in our page [1].

If you have a fast idea how to get this fixed, it would be greatly
appreciated. Othwerwise I will simple delete the Amazon part - or
the complete webpage, let's see. ;-)


Make sure to include this script reference at the top of the block:

https://static-na.payments-amazon.com/OffAmazonPayments/us/js/Widgets.jshttps://static-na.payments-amazon.com/OffAmazonPayments/us/js/Widgets.js>">

If you just copy the lines starting there and ending with
data-ap-payment-action="AuthorizeAndCapture"
 >


from the source in [1] it should work.


OK, it's working now but the UI part is shown double. Only the
bottom one (the smaller one) is working. Any idea?

[1] http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/donations.html


I am no html or javascript expert, but it looks like you have
duplicated the code when I view source on the staged site.  The
first div section after the script reference looks like what is on
the main ASF donate page and works.  I am not sure what the
following div's are trying to do.  The entire code on the main ASF
donate page is just

https://static-na.payments-amazon.com/OffAmazonPayments/us/js/Widgets.jshttps://static-na.payments-amazon.com/OffAmazonPayments/us/js/Widgets.js>">
https://www.apache.org";
 data-ap-currency-code="USD"
 data-ap-note="Thank you for your donation!"
 data-ap-shipping-address-required="false"
 data-ap-payment-action="AuthorizeAndCapture"
>



Then it is more strange because the duplicated code is not findable in 
the real source. But ...



You should be able to drop that in and it should work. There is no need for 
more code to generate the widget.


.. when deleting everything but keeping what you have listed above, then 
it's only one grey area. A bit too big but working. And this is important.


Thanks for you help. :-)

Marcus




Am 06/25/2015 08:38 PM, schrieb Phil Steitz:

Hello AOO ppl,

Amazon has phased out the old "Amazon Simple Pay" that we used
initially to enable donations to the ASF via Amazon.  The html
snippet included on the AOO donate page [1] needs to be updated to
match what is on the main ASF donations page [2].  It looks
like the
site is generated by the CMS.  I can try to update it if you all
don't mind that (and the CMS lets me do it); or someone else
can do
it.  The new widget takes a little more space and is a little
goofy-looking, so it would probably be best for someone with
more UI
skills than me to at least verify it.

The donations using the old code will start failing soon so we
need
to get on this fairly quickly (as in the next couple of weeks).
Sorry I did not give heads up sooner.  I did not realize that you
were maintaining a separate donations page.

Phil

[1] http://www.openoffice.org/donations.html
[2] http://www.apache.org/foundation/contributing.html


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Re: [site] Donate via Amazon - update required

[Marcus]

Am 06/28/2015 09:59 PM, schrieb Nancy K:

I see thatis listed twice with two different 
ap-button-(numbers). If I remove the first listing entirely the second continues to work on my 
firefox browser. Removepath;html body div#content div.right center div.ap-dw-container.ap-dark 
div.ap-dw-main div#ap-button-795162511.ap-dw-button
   Code:div class="ap-dw-main">Donatehttps://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/EP/offAmazonPayments/us/live/prod/image/donation/gold/medium/LwA.png";>
which leaves the second donation working and displayed larger:
Donatehttps://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/EP/offAmazonPayments/us/live/prod/image/donation/gold/medium/LwA.png"; style="cursor:pointer;">

I tried to figure out the line number using a validator online - this should be 
around line 303. I hope this helps!Nancy


it's OK. I've deleted some more code that Phil was talking about and now 
it's working fine.


So, thanks for helping out.

Marcus




  From: Marcus
  To: "dev@"
Cc: Phil Steitz
  Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:23 AM
  Subject: Re: [site] Donate via Amazon - update required

Am 06/27/2015 12:27 AM, schrieb Phil Steitz:

On 6/26/15 3:00 PM, Marcus wrote:

Thanks for your hint.

I've tried to update this on our webpage. However, it seems that
the ASP webpage uses some more code (CSS and/or JS) that is not
included in our page [1].

If you have a fast idea how to get this fixed, it would be greatly
appreciated. Othwerwise I will simple delete the Amazon part - or
the complete webpage, let's see. ;-)


Make sure to include this script reference at the top of the block:

https://static-na.payments-amazon.com/OffAmazonPayments/us/js/Widgets.jshttps://static-na.payments-amazon.com/OffAmazonPayments/us/js/Widgets.js>">

If you just copy the lines starting there and ending with
data-ap-payment-action="AuthorizeAndCapture"
 >


from the source in [1] it should work.


OK, it's working now but the UI part is shown double. Only the bottom
one (the smaller one) is working. Any idea?

[1] http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/donations.html

Thanks

Marcus




Am 06/25/2015 08:38 PM, schrieb Phil Steitz:

Hello AOO ppl,

Amazon has phased out the old "Amazon Simple Pay" that we used
initially to enable donations to the ASF via Amazon.  The html
snippet included on the AOO donate page [1] needs to be updated to
match what is on the main ASF donations page [2].  It looks like the
site is generated by the CMS.  I can try to update it if you all
don't mind that (and the CMS lets me do it); or someone else can do
it.  The new widget takes a little more space and is a little
goofy-looking, so it would probably be best for someone with more UI
skills than me to at least verify it.

The donations using the old code will start failing soon so we need
to get on this fairly quickly (as in the next couple of weeks).
Sorry I did not give heads up sooner.  I did not realize that you
were maintaining a separate donations page.

Phil

[1] http://www.openoffice.org/donations.html
[2] http://www.apache.org/foundation/contributing.html


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Re: Background to Cooperation: ASF/AOO Principles, Policies, Practices

[jan i]

On 28 June 2015 at 19:49, Dennis E. Hamilton  wrote:

> I want to be very clear about the narrowness of the exemplary Apache
> OpenOffice exception.  See the remark below.  And to see how one wends
> through the deliberations around obtaining an exception, <
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-117> is exemplary.  A general
> exploration of  reveals
> more cases as well as how rare exceptions are.
>
>  - Dennis
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org]
> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 16:56
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Background to Cooperation: ASF/AOO Principles, Policies, Practices
>
> [ ... ]
>
> PRACTICES AND EXCEPTIONS
>
> There are many practices that support how the ASF pursues its mission.
> The use of mailing lists is one example.  The use of services supported on
> Apache infrastructure is another.
>
> There can be exceptions to policy and deviations among practices.
> Exceptions tend to be very specific and not generalized.  (I suspect a
> generalization would be a change/amendment of policy and a serious review
> of any conflicts with established principles.)
>
> An example of an exception that is specific to the Apache OpenOffice
> project is the distribution of convenience binaries that have writing-aid
> plug-ins bundled with them that are not themselves under a license that is
> acceptable for source-code releases.  There are a number of specific,
> delimited provisions under which this action is found consistent with
> Apache principles although it is an exception to a general policy.  This
> practice was only introduced after obtaining review and eventual
> concurrence via the list on which legal and license questions are discussed.
>
> 
> The narrowness of the exception for these plug-ins is that they
> contain no code, they deliver data in a general format that can
> be used in a well-defined technique, and that they are completely
> replaceable.  Users can also install additional ones of their
> choosing and remove/disable the ones that are provided in the
> binary distributions as a convenience.  It is also the case that,
> if one inspects the plug-in (using a form of Zip package), one
> would encounter all applicable license information and there would
> be no confusion over the license that is specific to them material
> conveyed by a given plug-in.
> 
>

I would be very careful about interpreting the above extract. The plugins
do contains quite a lot of code, and some of them like the dictionaries are
not really
optional. We actually deliver plugins as part of our own exe, so we do
distribute some of the plugins without a special license.

But legal has looked at what we deliver and accepted it, so no need to
detail that further.

You also use the word "narrowness", as if these exceptions are written in
stone, that is not the case, we can always ask for other exceptions if
needed (whether
we get them is a different matter).

rgds
jan i.


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