Re: MWIKI down?

[janI]

Up again.

the kernel panic seems to be because of a mismatch between ubuntu version
and mysql version. We upgrade ubuntu, of course freebsd is also a
possibility but more work than upgrading the existing setup.

Jan I.

On 3 January 2013 03:53, Pedro Giffuni  wrote:

>
>
>
>
> - Messaggio originale -
> > Da: TJ Frazier
> ...
> >
> > On 1/2/2013 21:07, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:
> >>  Trying to create an account for Alexander (as requested) using the user
> >>  name he sent to me, but mwiki appears to be down...
> >>
> >>
> > Hi, Andrew,
> >
> > According to , the wiki has been
> > down for an hour. (This is a /very/ useful link.) The devices are listed
> in
> > alphabetical order, by the name at the left; ours is "ooo-wiki".
> >
> > According to the Infra page, if something shows red here (as ooo-wiki
> does),
> > then Infra has already been notified and should be working on the
> problem, so no
> > further user action is necessary.
> >
> > According to Jan, the system is suffering from "kernel panic" bouts
> > (???). He plans to upgrade the VM, which may cure the problem.
> >
>
> Or they could move to a FreeBSD jail, but when I offered to help last year
> I was turned down :-P.
>
> Pedro.
>

We Need One - Fwd: DOAP

[Dave Fisher]

HI Andrea,

We need to fill out a project DOAP file in order to be listed on www.apache.org 
on the bottom left.

Regards,
Dave

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Shane Curcuru 
> Date: January 2, 2013 5:28:58 PM PST
> To: gene...@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: DOAP
> Reply-To: gene...@incubator.apache.org
> delivered-to: mailing list gene...@incubator.apache.org
> 
> DOAP files are required for all TLPs, per the Branding policy:
> 
>  http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs
> 
> DOAP files are used to autogenerate the projects listing site:
> 
>  http://projects.apache.org/indexes.html
> 
> DOAP files are the best way we have currently to ensure we have a single, 
> simple and machine-parseable list of all software projects available at the 
> ASF.  We currently under-utilize this: it would be nice if projects had more 
> detailed DOAPs that we could entice people to create interesting 
> visualizations of all Apache projects.  It should also be linked to more, so 
> that newcomers to the ASF have an easier way to find all the different 
> software technologies that Apache projects have to offer to the world.
> 
> From the brand perspective, DOAPs are required so the ASF can track all 
> formal TLP projects and major software products that our projects ship (among 
> other reasons, so we can one day auto-generate our list of trademarks).  
> DOAPs should also have sufficient information about software downloads 
> available so that if someone does write a crawler to inspect software 
> products, they'll get useful information.
> 
> It would be nice if projects kept DOAPs up to date with all new releases, 
> etc., but I personally don't have the effort available in the near future to 
> push on that area.  What's more important is ensuring all TLPs have at least 
> a basic DOAP that's checked in and reflected at projects.a.o
> 
> We really need to explain this more clearly in the incubator docs, and make 
> it clear that having a DOAP checked in is part of the branding checklist that 
> is required to complete before graduation.  I.e., we should ensure that 
> podlings meet the Project Branding Requirements before they go to graduate.
> 
> - Shane
> 
> 
> On 1/2/2013 5:08 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Onami is not listed below, but we have a Doap file (which needs some
>> maintenance :-)
>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/onami/committers/doap_Onami.rdf
>> 
>> Three questions, because I am not so familiar with Doap files.
>> 
>> 1) do we have to add them manually to:
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/infrastructure/site-tools/trunk/projects/files.xml
>> 
>> 2) On onami we maintain several independent components. Should we
>> maintain different doap files (one for each component), like it seems
>> to be done by Commons?
>> 
>> 3) Should the doap file become part of the release?
>> 
>> thanks!
>> Christian
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Benson Margulies  
>> wrote:
>>> Hi there.
>>> 
>>> In the process of cleaning up photark, I noticed that very few
>>> incubating projects have DOAP files.
>>> 
>>> That is, I looked at
>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/infrastructure/site-tools/trunk/projects/files.xml.
>>> 
>>> If that page is stale and DOAP-i-ness happens elsewhere, someone
>>> please fill me in and excuse this noise.
>>> 
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Re: Presentation for Apache Asia Roadshow 2012 Beijing is available (was: Presentation file under ALv2)

[Peter Junge]

Hi Simon,

thanks a lot.

Happy new Year!
Peter

On 12/31/2012 10:23 AM, Shenfeng Liu wrote:

Peter,
   Thanks very much to consolidate the slides with Apache license!
   I added the link in the Events Calendar
wiki
.

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2012/12/29 Peter Junge 


On 12/27/2012 4:10 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:


Yes Apache license is applicable to docs and presentations. If distributed
via the ASF then they should be Apache licensed.



OK, so it's the Apache License v2 that we have been choosing. We added a
slide with IPR notices at page #2. The same information is available with
the meta data. Anyone, please feel free to review:
http://people.apache.org/~pj/**Apache_Asia_Road_Show_2012_**
Beijing_OpenOffice_With_ALv2.**odp

Best regards,
Peter




Ross

Sent from a mobile device, please excuse mistakes and brevity
On 27 Dec 2012 04:59, "Peter Junge"  wrote:

  Hi,


does anyone know if there's a common/best practice to put presentation
files under ALv2 (or maybe another license like CC)? Is ALv2 applicable
on
presentations and other documents at all? If yes, how to issue the
license
with the presentation file? First page and/or last page and/or footer of
each page and/or metadata?

Concrete Situation: Liu Shengfeng, Liu Dali, Liu Tao and me have been
presenting at the Apache Asia Roadshow 2012 and want to make our
presentation file public with a proper license.

Hope everyone had a nice Christmas and wishing a Happy New Year
Peter

Re: MWIKI down?

[Pedro Giffuni]

- Messaggio originale -
> Da: TJ Frazier 
...
> 
> On 1/2/2013 21:07, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:
>>  Trying to create an account for Alexander (as requested) using the user
>>  name he sent to me, but mwiki appears to be down...
>> 
>> 
> Hi, Andrew,
> 
> According to , the wiki has been 
> down for an hour. (This is a /very/ useful link.) The devices are listed in 
> alphabetical order, by the name at the left; ours is "ooo-wiki".
> 
> According to the Infra page, if something shows red here (as ooo-wiki does), 
> then Infra has already been notified and should be working on the problem, so 
> no 
> further user action is necessary.
> 
> According to Jan, the system is suffering from "kernel panic" bouts 
> (???). He plans to upgrade the VM, which may cure the problem.
> 

Or they could move to a FreeBSD jail, but when I offered to help last year
I was turned down :-P.

Pedro.

Re: MWIKI down?

[TJ Frazier]

On 1/2/2013 21:07, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:

Trying to create an account for Alexander (as requested) using the user
name he sent to me, but mwiki appears to be down...



Hi, Andrew,

According to , the wiki has been 
down for an hour. (This is a /very/ useful link.) The devices are listed 
in alphabetical order, by the name at the left; ours is "ooo-wiki".


According to the Infra page, if something shows red here (as ooo-wiki 
does), then Infra has already been notified and should be working on the 
problem, so no further user action is necessary.


According to Jan, the system is suffering from "kernel panic" bouts 
(???). He plans to upgrade the VM, which may cure the problem.


/tj/

MWIKI down?

[Andrew Douglas Pitonyak]

Trying to create an account for Alexander (as requested) using the user 
name he sent to me, but mwiki appears to be down...



--
Andrew Pitonyak
My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt
Info:  http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php

Re: Introduction

[Alexander Krasowski]

Thank you Andrew,

I have had a lot of my family graduate from there also.

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak  wrote:

> Welcome Alexander glad to have you on board...
>
> If you are at Wayne State in Detroit, my Father, Mother, and Sister all
> graduated from there...
>
>
> On 01/02/2013 04:39 PM, Alexander Krasowski wrote:
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> My name is Alexander Krasowski, I am currently a Senior Wayne State
>> University Computer Science Student. I am from Windsor Canada. My
>> interests
>> in all things technical are vast but I think that qa might be a good place
>> to start in the open source community.
>>
>> -Alexander K.
>>
>>
> --
> Andrew Pitonyak
> My Macro Document: 
> http://www.pitonyak.org/**AndrewMacro.odt
> Info:  http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
>
>

Re: Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

[Andrew Douglas Pitonyak]

On 01/02/2013 12:50 AM, Black Death wrote:

Hello everyone. My name is Zoe. I've been coding for 4 or 5 years now. I'm
self taught and have skills in HTML, XHTML, XML, Java, Javascript, and CSS.
I'm learning C++. I'm attempting to go back to college and get my
bachelor's in computer science majoring in computer information systems or
a similar computer programming focus. I'm open to questions and glad to be
helping.

Zoe

Welcome to the project. Let us know what area you jump into :-) Or 
do you need / desire recommendations?


--
Andrew Pitonyak
My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt
Info:  http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php

Re: Completion of Level 1:HOW THE APACHE OPENOFFICE PROJECT WORKS

[Andrew Douglas Pitonyak]

On 01/02/2013 06:34 PM, Alexander Krasowski wrote:

Quick note; on the previous part Mwiki would not allow me to register using
a disposable email (my gmail account).

Thank you,
Alexander K.



I can create an account for you using gmail I think. What user name do 
you desire? You will only need to set the password after I create the 
account (the system will send an automatic email to you)


--
Andrew Pitonyak
My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt
Info:  http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php

Re: Introduction

[Andrew Douglas Pitonyak]

Welcome Alexander glad to have you on board...

If you are at Wayne State in Detroit, my Father, Mother, and Sister all 
graduated from there...


On 01/02/2013 04:39 PM, Alexander Krasowski wrote:

Greetings,

My name is Alexander Krasowski, I am currently a Senior Wayne State
University Computer Science Student. I am from Windsor Canada. My interests
in all things technical are vast but I think that qa might be a good place
to start in the open source community.

-Alexander K.



--
Andrew Pitonyak
My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt
Info:  http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php

Re: [EXT] Dictionary extension for a Latin transcription of Persian

[Hamid Farroukh]

Ok. That is
very fair. I will turn back to you as soon as I have more in the hand.
Honestly, I do not see how I achieve a reasonably official status, except that
I write an article about it in Wikipedia and refer to it in the relevant summary
articles.
I will do this
in any case.  If you're interested, here
you can see some information uploaded today, including the OpenOffice and
Firefox extension:
http://alefbaye2om.org
This Transcription
method will hopefully be used for the correspondence in a cultural society in
Frankfurt. The publication of a monthly magazine in this script is also
discussed for the future.  Thanks so much
again for your support.
Sincerely
yours
Hamid
Farroukh



 Von: Andrea Pescetti 
An: dev@openoffice.apache.org; Hamid Farroukh  
Gesendet: 22:55 Mittwoch, 2.Januar 2013
Betreff: Re: [EXT]  Dictionary extension for a Latin transcription of Persian
 
On 01/01/2013 Hamid Farroukh wrote:
> There
> is no official standard transliteration. All we have, are more or
> less standard proposals. The standard, I use ("invented"),
> is called Alefbâye 2om, which means 2nd alphabet. Soon I will
> publish materials about it in English

Understood. Well, in general to add support for a language we need a reference 
to an ISO code or standard, since OpenOffice has big interoperability 
requirements, which would break if we decide unilaterally that we will support 
a new language.

> As far as I know, this is the only proposal for which there exists a
> spell check dictionary.

This could help in getting some official recognition for the language, perhaps. 
Or the spec Rob shared might be of help. Honestly I don't know how hard it is 
to have your transliteration "standardized"; it might also turn out to be 
easier than expected, but this is not something we can help you with. Surely, 
once you reach some "official" status, you can contact us again and we can 
support the language directly in OpenOffice, with no need for workarounds like 
the one that you are currently using (i.e., "squatting" Esperanto) and that 
seems to be the best solution at the moment.

Regards,
  Andrea.

For information: Ubuntu on Android phones news report

[Rory O'Farrell]

BBC report that Ubuntu will be modified to run on Android phones.  This may 
open the door for a port of Apache OpenOffice

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20891868

I offer the  report as is, from a reliable news source.  Please don't shoot the 
messenger!

-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

Volunteers for a FOSDEM "Hacking OpenOffice" tutorial session?

[Andrea Pescetti]

The FOSDEM schedule is shaping quite nicely, with a wide assortment of 
presentations on the main development areas of OpenOffice.


But we could still squeeze in, if we have a developer willing to take 
care of it, a tutorial on how a newcomer can get involved in coding for 
OpenOffice. Taking for granted that a developer willing to build 
OpenOffice can manage with the instructions on the wiki, this tutorial 
would give practical advice on the tools (IDE, debugger... free and open 
source preferred, but if you find other solutions more effective be 
honest!), a rough overview of the code (main directories under "main"; 
basic coding standards) and ideally a few easy challenges or "nice to 
have" enhancements with an entry point to the code (example: we would 
like to complete our OpenFormula support; function XYZ is missing; to 
see how it can be implemented, look at file abc.cxx).


So it would not be a presentation, but a tutorial answering the question 
"How I can I help developing OpenOffice?". Materials could then be 
recycled for the Orientation pages and so on. It needn't be long, 
something basic that fits in a 45-minute slot would already be enough, 
we have a booth and plenty of time for follow-up if needed.


Now... Would this be worth pursuing? And, most important, do we have a 
volunteer willing to give this tutorial on February 2 at FOSDEM in 
Brussels? Even if it is a "special" presentation we would host it in our 
devroom schedule.


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: [EXT] Dictionary extension for a Latin transcription of Persian

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 01/01/2013 Hamid Farroukh wrote:

There
is no official standard transliteration. All we have, are more or
less standard proposals. The standard, I use ("invented"),
is called Alefbâye 2om, which means 2nd alphabet. Soon I will
publish materials about it in English


Understood. Well, in general to add support for a language we need a 
reference to an ISO code or standard, since OpenOffice has big 
interoperability requirements, which would break if we decide 
unilaterally that we will support a new language.



As far as I know, this is the only proposal for which there exists a
spell check dictionary.


This could help in getting some official recognition for the language, 
perhaps. Or the spec Rob shared might be of help. Honestly I don't know 
how hard it is to have your transliteration "standardized"; it might 
also turn out to be easier than expected, but this is not something we 
can help you with. Surely, once you reach some "official" status, you 
can contact us again and we can support the language directly in 
OpenOffice, with no need for workarounds like the one that you are 
currently using (i.e., "squatting" Esperanto) and that seems to be the 
best solution at the moment.


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: User initiative for improving OOXML (was Re: AOO questions on Google)

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy Jürgen,

Hmm - well, I had understood it was ALv2 specifically so that it would be
available to the project here.

Hopefully when the developers make a drop of the code it will be something
that the devs here will want to utilize it, wasn't really fair to ask
anyone to comment on something they haven't seen yet.

I think in the long run support for the format is worthwhile, to be honest
if Google would actually support ODF in and out for wp,ss,pr I would not
care so much.

Thanks

Drew


On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

> On 12/25/12 5:50 AM, Drew Jensen wrote:
> > Thanks for that - I knew  of that initiative. Does the project intend to
> > integrate their work?
>
> sure, OOXML can't be ignored and we are interested in the work. I think
> it was the main intention to make the "paid" work available in both AOO
> and LibreOffice and that's the reason for the chosen license ALv2.
>
> Unfortunately we haven't seen any line of code (or any patch) so far but
> we are in contact with the OSBA and will be informed as soon as the
> patches are available.
>
> We as project are open for any kind of collaboration on this topic and
> we would like to avoid duplicate work.
>
> Especially the OOXML export is currently missing in AOO and volunteers
> who are interested on this topic are welcome.
>
> From my point of view it makes much more sense to combine the resources
> we have instead of competing. Did I mention that I am personally not
> interested in competing with a derivative product based on the same code
> base. I am simply interested to continue the success of OpenOffice under
> the well known brand and I am happy if all the improvements of AOO will
> find their way in LO as well (and they do) and if they are identified or
> marked in a proper way ;-)
>
> Juergen
>
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 8:54 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton  >wrote:
> >
> >> The slides are here:
> >>
> >>   
> >>
> >> It appears that some of the milestone results, as Apache-licensed
> >> tarballs, should already be in the hands of the Open Source Business
> >> Alliance.  Those should be available to anyone.  This is probably a good
> >> place to watch for them (auf Deutsch):
> >> .
> >>
> >>  - Dennis
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Pedro Giffuni [mailto:p...@apache.org]
> >> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 16:16
> >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> >> Subject: User initiative for improving OOXML (was Re: AOO questions on
> >> Google)
> >>
> >> Hello;
> >>
> >> The ASF is a non-profit organization, we don't pay for coding but
> >> concerning docx support there was a talk from Matthias Stürmer
> >> in ApacheConEU:
> >>
> >> http://www.apachecon.eu/schedule/presentation/46/
> >>
> >> This effort, of course, predates the establishment of AOO as a TLP
> >> so we were not consulted. It is a well intended initiative but despite
> >> the funding it appears to have produced no results for OpenOffice
> >> so far.
> >>
> >> We had a chance to talk with Matthias and while I won't make any
> >> comments, I would think the organizers will make their own
> >> evaluation and will likely consider the results before engaging in
> >> future investments of this kind.
> >>
> >> Pedro.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> 
> >>> Da: Andrew Pitonyak 
> >>> A: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> >>> Inviato: Domenica 23 Dicembre 2012 14:46
> >>> Oggetto: Re: AOO questions on Google
> >>>
> >>> No save as for docx is why libre is installed on a few machines i
> >> sometimes deal with.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G
> >>>
> >>> "F C. Costero"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Since there is some interest in this particular topic, here are the 9
> >>> questions I categorized as MS Interoperability with the number of
> positive
> >>> votes appended to each in parentheses.
> >>> 1. I tryed to save my word processor file as a MS Word file  only
> >>> extensions listed in the drop down were for text or Open Office, no
> Word
> >>> option.  Help function said I should have had that option in the drop
> down
> >>> under save as. version 3.4.1.
> >>> Could you add a converter for format MS .docx as the actual converter
> for
> >>> .doc does not work proper. It mix up text and drawings and make the
> whole
> >>> page a mess. (1)
> >>>
> >>> 2. hello,
> >>> How can i open openoffice file with microsoft office?
> >>> Gr Sam Esman (5)
> >>>
> >>> 3. What kind of OOXML support is intended in AOO?
> >>> Transitional (MS Word) version or ISO (does someone really implement
> it?).
> >>> (3)
> >>>
> >>> 4. If save filter is implemented, don't you fear a weakening of the ODF
> >>> then? (6)
> >>>
> >>> 5. allow open office to use ms office defaults (5)
> >>>
> >>> 6. can i install openoffice when i have microsoft office on my computer
> >> (4)
> >>>
> >>> 7. OpenOffice, should be able to op

Re: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4 logo proposals...

[Kay Schenk]

On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:

> Hi Michael,
>
> I like the logo - a lot.
>
> I have a problem with the video that is significant. You are using the
> same music that Microsoft is using for its Surface Advertising on TV. Also,
> at the end you are using a non-standard Apache Software Foundation logo and
> feather placement.
>
> Although we want people and institutions to use Apache OpenOffice and not
> Microsoft Office, we cannot be subversive about it.
>
> Please keep up with your work and contributions, just be careful that you
> aren't appropriating others images and music.
>
> For fun here is a more original version of the music.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYyzBbWPV5w
>
> Best Regards and Happy New Year,
> Dave
>

Dave, thanks for the day brightener! :)


>
> On Dec 26, 2012, at 8:07 PM, Michael Acevedo wrote:
>
> > Greetings to all in the mailing list and those in this AOO Logo Proposal
> > subject,
> >
> > In this email, I would like to mention that I have added two new logo
> > proposals to the Apache OpenOffice Logo exploration wiki article. Now let
> > me explain what this new logo it's all about.
> >
> > The new logo design does away with the orb and changes it for a gull ring
> > that rests under a blue background which itself rests on circles which
> are
> > inspired on the Adobe Flex logo multicolor scheme. The new gull ring
> while
> > being new, retains the familiar circular shape of the current OpenOffice
> > logo, but at the same time is a new take that pays respect to the orb.
> All
> > of these elements are wrapped in a modern black gradient icon than makes
> > the logo stand out. Furthermore, the new logo actually changes the look
> of
> > the word OpenOffice into a more modern non-capitalized "openoffice" word
> > design (also an inspiration from the Adobe Flex project logo). The latter
> > serves the function of highlighting Apache as the owner of the project
> > (whose name is in capital letters), yet the non-capitalized "openoffice"
> > names takes presence by being written in a larger size font. Overall, the
> > new logo design is simple, clean, and modern.
> >
> > Now that I have given a sense of the new logo, I would like to show you a
> > reveal video:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC-tOuhTm9Y
> >
> > But there is one last detail, which actually is a testament to the power
> of
> > OpenOffice. The detail is that the logo that you see at the end of the
> > video was 99% made in Apache OpenOffice Draw.
> >
> > Hope you liked the logo and the reveal video.
> >
> > Happy Holidays!
> >
> > You can see the formal proposal in the Cwiki at Apache:
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.x+-+Logo+Explorations
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Michael Acevedo 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Greetings Kevin, I would not mind posting the logos to that AOO UX wiki.
> >> Thing is I don't know where it is or whether it is on the cwiki or mwiki
> >> (if it is on the latter, I need to request an account).
> >>
> >> Let me know.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Saturday, December 22, 2012, Kevin Grignon wrote:
> >>
> >>> Michael,
> >>>
> >>> Great work. Design is very iterative. Keep pushing!
> >>>
> >>> Using the design explorations is a great way to stimulate a
> conversation
> >>> which can help us better understand the requirements. Perhaps we could
> >>> harvest the criteria for success in the thread and capture in the wiki
> >>>
> >>> Then we can make the design review process less subjective by having
> >>> people review design explorations relative to stated goals.
> >>>
> >>> Also, the mailing list is tough place to review designs, can you post
> the
> >>> design explorations to the AOO UX wiki?
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Kevin
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Dec 23, 2012, at 10:56 AM, Michael Acevedo 
> wrote:
> >>>
>  I think I've come up with something that is simplistic on the eye but
>  beautiful an lively.
> 
>  Still working on it but stay tuned.
> 
> 
>  On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Michael Acevedo 
> >>> wrote:
> 
> > RGB,
> >
> > I see the ring as something different. The blue to me represents the
> >>> open
> > blue sky, and the ring around it as a frame to an opening of an open
> >>> world.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 8:16 AM, RGB ES  wrote:
> >
> >> 2012/12/22 janI 
> >>
> >>> I am no designer, but I have tried to make a suggestion to better
> >> explain
> >>> what I mean.
> >>>
> >>> The current proposals all have squares / circles etc. and apart
> from
> >>> the
> >>> original similarity with windows8 that has a special signal value.
> >>>
> >>> A surface (square/circle etc) especially with a border, signal:
> >>> - limitation or positive a product that fullfills a single purpose
> >>> - closeness or positive a product the specialize in one function
> >>>
> >>> AOO is in my mind much more, we are open at level

RE: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4 logo proposals...

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

I am not so sure that jamendo covers of popular tunes are free to use, since 
songwriter royalties are required to be paid in the US.  I doubt that Bob Dylan 
has granted royalty-free use of "I Shall Be Released," for example.

In general, it works better if freely-licensed original compositions are used, 
not merely arrangements or covers of existing compositions.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: RGB ES [mailto:rgb.m...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 09:33
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4 logo proposals...

2013/1/2 Samer Mansour 

[ ... ]
> We should avoid using a song currently in rotation by another commercial if
> possible, just because people might make branding associations or
> assumptions.
> If music rights is an issue, there is a lot of creative commons music on
> newgrounds.com audio portal.
>


Jamendo is another possibility http://www.jamendo.com/ but I cannot point
to a particular author, my musical tastes are rather particular... :)

Regards
Ricardo

[ ... ]

Re: Endnote/Index in Writer

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 17:30:39 +
Rory O'Farrell  wrote:

> A further posting from the original poster on the en-Forum may be of interest:


Apologies!  It is a similar topic from a different poster, but still, I think, 
relevant to the problem of layout in OpenOffice of the end of a file using 
Endnotes/Index(es) and Appendices.

-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

Re: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4 logo proposals...

[RGB ES]

2013/1/2 Samer Mansour 

> Everyone who was involved with that video: awesome! Totally love the white
> outline looking icons on solid background.
> Its an immediate eye catcher for users to know what file type a document
> is, no matter the size of the icon (think file explorer detail view 16x16).
> Floating this idea: when you scale the icon down to 16x16, keep the white
> rounded square and circle on the solid background, but drop the birds if it
> gets too pixelated?
>
> Maybe lessen the character spacing 1-2pxs in the video, they feel a little
> too far apart first time viewing it.
>
> We should avoid using a song currently in rotation by another commercial if
> possible, just because people might make branding associations or
> assumptions.
> If music rights is an issue, there is a lot of creative commons music on
> newgrounds.com audio portal.
>


Jamendo is another possibility http://www.jamendo.com/ but I cannot point
to a particular author, my musical tastes are rather particular... :)

Regards
Ricardo



> If this counts as commercial use, then someone would have to get the
> artist's okay by private message them.
>
> Here are some examples I spent 15 mins browsing, its a big library, need to
> listen to many:
> http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/516336 @ around 2:05 (song climax,
> soft sound-> hard excitement)
> http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/496129 @ around 0:56 (lyrics -"make
> you mine tonight.. only you")
> http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/516869 @ around 1:18 (popular tune,
> soft, full remake in (CC) )
>
> Hopefully that was constructive and useful feedback!
>
> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 5:56 AM, Armin Le Grand  >wrote:
>
> > s for the continued w
>

Re: Endnote/Index in Writer

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 15:21:36 +0100
RGB ES  wrote:

> 2012/12/30 TJ Frazier 
> 
> > On 12/30/2012 07:11, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On the en-Forum it has just been pointed out to me that Endnotes place
> >> themselves at the End of a document; this prevents an alphabetical Index
> >> being placed there, which is the usual location for it.  Perhaps this
> >> should be considered for alteration in a forthcoming revision of Writer.
> >>
> >>  Hi, Rory,
> >
> > Would a "fake" master doc (only one sub-document) be a quick way around
> > this problem?
> 
> 
> I don't think so. The only way to move endnotes from the end of the
> document is to enclose the whole document/chapter on a section configured
> to send the endnotes at the end of the section itself instead of the end of
> the document. While this workaround covers most user cases, there could be
> corner situations (a document already using lots of sections, for example
> to get variable number of columns) where this will not work as intended.
> 
> Regards
> Ricardo
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > The endnotes should stay with the chapter, and the index, specified in the
> > master, should come last. (I don't use these features, so I can't say for
> > sure.)

A further posting from the original poster on the en-Forum may be of interest:

-
Subject: User defined index goes in master doc? and sub docs?

Postby server85050 » 02 Jan 2013 17:22

I have no problems using the built in TOC index in a master doc because that 
index is also automatically in the index entry options of the sub docs. But if 
I put the user defined index in the master doc only, the sub doc does not show 
the user defined index as an option when doing an index entry.

In other words, if I want a user defined index in the master doc, do I have to 
also put a that user defined index by that same name in each of my 15 sub docs? 
But I don't want an user defined index showing in each chapter of the book, 
just at the end (at the end of the master doc when updated). I don't want an 
alphabetical index at the end (built-in option). I want a sequential index (a 
list of entries with page numbers) at the end of the book.

Where do I put the user define index so all the sub docs can see it and let me 
insert an index entry for that index. Clearly one belongs in the master doc at 
the end, but what about the sub docs. Putting an index in each sub doc seems 
redundant and confusing, especially if I do not want it to show-up in each sub 
doc. Writer is sure to have a fit over 16 user defined indexes with the same 
name.




-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

Re: User initiative for improving OOXML (was Re: AOO questions on Google)

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 12/25/12 5:50 AM, Drew Jensen wrote:
> Thanks for that - I knew  of that initiative. Does the project intend to
> integrate their work?

sure, OOXML can't be ignored and we are interested in the work. I think
it was the main intention to make the "paid" work available in both AOO
and LibreOffice and that's the reason for the chosen license ALv2.

Unfortunately we haven't seen any line of code (or any patch) so far but
we are in contact with the OSBA and will be informed as soon as the
patches are available.

We as project are open for any kind of collaboration on this topic and
we would like to avoid duplicate work.

Especially the OOXML export is currently missing in AOO and volunteers
who are interested on this topic are welcome.

>From my point of view it makes much more sense to combine the resources
we have instead of competing. Did I mention that I am personally not
interested in competing with a derivative product based on the same code
base. I am simply interested to continue the success of OpenOffice under
the well known brand and I am happy if all the improvements of AOO will
find their way in LO as well (and they do) and if they are identified or
marked in a proper way ;-)

Juergen

> 
> 
> On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 8:54 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> 
>> The slides are here:
>>
>>   
>>
>> It appears that some of the milestone results, as Apache-licensed
>> tarballs, should already be in the hands of the Open Source Business
>> Alliance.  Those should be available to anyone.  This is probably a good
>> place to watch for them (auf Deutsch):
>> .
>>
>>  - Dennis
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pedro Giffuni [mailto:p...@apache.org]
>> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 16:16
>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>> Subject: User initiative for improving OOXML (was Re: AOO questions on
>> Google)
>>
>> Hello;
>>
>> The ASF is a non-profit organization, we don't pay for coding but
>> concerning docx support there was a talk from Matthias Stürmer
>> in ApacheConEU:
>>
>> http://www.apachecon.eu/schedule/presentation/46/
>>
>> This effort, of course, predates the establishment of AOO as a TLP
>> so we were not consulted. It is a well intended initiative but despite
>> the funding it appears to have produced no results for OpenOffice
>> so far.
>>
>> We had a chance to talk with Matthias and while I won't make any
>> comments, I would think the organizers will make their own
>> evaluation and will likely consider the results before engaging in
>> future investments of this kind.
>>
>> Pedro.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> 
>>> Da: Andrew Pitonyak 
>>> A: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>> Inviato: Domenica 23 Dicembre 2012 14:46
>>> Oggetto: Re: AOO questions on Google
>>>
>>> No save as for docx is why libre is installed on a few machines i
>> sometimes deal with.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G
>>>
>>> "F C. Costero"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Since there is some interest in this particular topic, here are the 9
>>> questions I categorized as MS Interoperability with the number of positive
>>> votes appended to each in parentheses.
>>> 1. I tryed to save my word processor file as a MS Word file  only
>>> extensions listed in the drop down were for text or Open Office, no Word
>>> option.  Help function said I should have had that option in the drop down
>>> under save as. version 3.4.1.
>>> Could you add a converter for format MS .docx as the actual converter for
>>> .doc does not work proper. It mix up text and drawings and make the whole
>>> page a mess. (1)
>>>
>>> 2. hello,
>>> How can i open openoffice file with microsoft office?
>>> Gr Sam Esman (5)
>>>
>>> 3. What kind of OOXML support is intended in AOO?
>>> Transitional (MS Word) version or ISO (does someone really implement it?).
>>> (3)
>>>
>>> 4. If save filter is implemented, don't you fear a weakening of the ODF
>>> then? (6)
>>>
>>> 5. allow open office to use ms office defaults (5)
>>>
>>> 6. can i install openoffice when i have microsoft office on my computer
>> (4)
>>>
>>> 7. OpenOffice, should be able to open properly all 'Word office' files.
>> (9)
>>>
>>> 8. Is open office compatible with Office 2010? (8)
>>>
>>> 9. Open Office doesn't handle tables in Word well - for example re-sizing
>>> of columns, keeping table rows together, inserting page breaks within
>>> tables. Could OO development include a goal of fully matching MS Office
>>> functionality for tables? (13)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Drew Jensen >> wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 Long time since I said anything and so how about,
 Happy Holidays, to start.

 Just to say that the #2 doesn't surprise me at all and yes I would
>> strongly
 suspect it has lots to do with OOXML. Don't forget that this does not
 necessarily mean interoperability with MSO it also
 means interchangeabi

Re: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4 logo proposals...

[Samer Mansour]

Everyone who was involved with that video: awesome! Totally love the white
outline looking icons on solid background.
Its an immediate eye catcher for users to know what file type a document
is, no matter the size of the icon (think file explorer detail view 16x16).
Floating this idea: when you scale the icon down to 16x16, keep the white
rounded square and circle on the solid background, but drop the birds if it
gets too pixelated?

Maybe lessen the character spacing 1-2pxs in the video, they feel a little
too far apart first time viewing it.

We should avoid using a song currently in rotation by another commercial if
possible, just because people might make branding associations or
assumptions.
If music rights is an issue, there is a lot of creative commons music on
newgrounds.com audio portal.
If this counts as commercial use, then someone would have to get the
artist's okay by private message them.

Here are some examples I spent 15 mins browsing, its a big library, need to
listen to many:
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/516336 @ around 2:05 (song climax,
soft sound-> hard excitement)
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/496129 @ around 0:56 (lyrics -"make
you mine tonight.. only you")
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/516869 @ around 1:18 (popular tune,
soft, full remake in (CC) )

Hopefully that was constructive and useful feedback!

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 5:56 AM, Armin Le Grand wrote:

> s for the continued w

Re: 30 million downloads, year end blog post

[Roberto Galoppini]

On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:
>> Am 12/31/2012 08:00 PM, schrieb Rory O'Farrell:
>>
>>> The download count on main D/L page ought be updated to show the 30+
>>> million.
>>
>>
>> I've done the update.
>>
>
> Thanks.  And I've updated the charts now:
> http://www.openoffice.org/stats/downloads.html
>
> The final count for 2012 was:  30,687,795 downloads.
>
> I predict we will more than double this in 2013, due to:
>
> 1) Being able to count downloads for the full year.  (AOO 3.4 was not
> available until May in 2012 and I did not include OOo 3.3.0 download
> in the counts.)
>
> 2) Greater language coverage, starting very soon with the release of
> more 3.4.1 languages, and even more with 4.0.
>
> 3) Exciting new features in AOO 4.0

I put together a blog entry about what we are working on for AOO
Extensions and Templates sites at SourceForge blog.
http://sourceforge.net/blog/apache-openoffice-extensions-and-templates-upcoming-features/

Roberto

> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>> Marcus

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Re: [RELEASE] Respin snapshot builds for early verification available

[Ariel Constenla-Haile]

On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 03:54:13PM +0100, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> before I go on Christmas vacation I have built snapshots for our
> upcoming AOO 3.4.1 respin to support further languages.
> 
> I create a build for Danish, Swedish, Polish, Norwegian Bokmal, Scottish
> Gaelic and Korean.
> 
> Danish is not 100% up-to-date because we ran in some errors. I will
> prepare a new build asap. Korean do I have included but it is hopefully
> not the final version.
> 
> New languages will be still accepted until Jan. 4th, 2013
> 
> You can find the snapshots under
> http://people.apache.org/~jsc/respin_aoo341/

Linux 32 and 64 bits DEBs/RPMs language packs can be found at
http://people.apache.org/~arielch/packages/respin_aoo341

These are language packs, you are supposed to have a full en-US
installed before installing them.


Regards
-- 
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La Plata, Argentina


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Re: Website style disconnect

[janI]

On 2 January 2013 16:23, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 12:23 PM, janI  wrote:
> > On 19 December 2012 18:13, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >
> >> cc'ing the marketing list, since we have some recent volunteers who
> >> said they had web design skills.
> >>
> >> We have two websites for the project:
> >>
> >> 1) A public-facing website at http://www.openoffice.org
> >>
> >> 2) A project-facing website at http://openoffice.apache.org
> >>
> >> In practice the distinction is not always clear.  There are many links
> >> that cross from one website to another.  For example, a user starting
> >> at http://www.openoffice.org/ and clicking the "I want to Participate
> >> in OpenOffice" ends on on this project page here:
> >> http://openoffice.apache.org/get-involved.html.
> >>
> >> The websites have a similar look, but they differ in many small ways,
> >> and the cumulative effect of these differences is discordant (IMHO).
> >>
> > Would it not be more efficient just to have one website, with e.g. a
> > project corner, I for one tend to get confused when I search information
> ?
> >
>
> The www.openoffice.org website is the legacy website, the one that
> OpenOffice has had for over a decade.
>
> But it is also a convention at Apache for all projects to have a
> website as a subdomain of apache,org.  So we also have
> openoffice.apache,org.
>
> When we first moved to Apache there was a long, hard period of
> migration for website and wiki and forums and bugzilla, etc.  During
> that time it was essential that we had some stability, so we could
> coordinate.  So having a stable website and CWiki and mailing lists at
> Apache was great, since that allowed us some downtime during the
> migration of the legacy website and services.
>
> But it might make more sense now to get the website and wiki
> consolidated into one location rather than maintain these two
> different websites.  We only have 40 or so pages on
> openoffice.apache.org, so migration would not be too painful.  In any
> case, something to consider...
>
And we can still let openoffice.apache.org link to openoffice.org, maybe
just with an index page.

We have also discussed earlier to move cwiki to mwiki, now the mwiki is
upgraded.

Making things simpler normally means less maintenance, so we can
concentrate resources on something new.


>
>
> >>
> >> To draw out the difference, I made two identical test pages that
> >> illustrate how the different style sheets treat common HTML
> >> constructs, and differences in page headers/footers:
> >>
> >> See:
> >>
> >> http://openoffice.apache.org/style-test.html
> >>
> >> and
> >>
> >> http://www.openoffice.org/style-test.html
> >>
> > If we need two, it would be real nice (as you suggest) that the layout is
> > identical.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Note, for example, how our tagline differs between the pages.   Also,
> >> the default font size on the openoffice.org is smaller than on
> >> openoffice.apache.org.  IMHO this is too small for default text.
> >>
> >> There are other things that are common between the two sites, but
> >> perhaps are non-optimal, like:
> >>
> >> 1) We're really not distinguishing blockquotes well.  We're just
> >> indenting.  Maybe we can add a left-aligned vertical bar?
> >>
> > +1
> >
> >>
> >> 2) The yellow background of the  block is a bit extreme.  Maybe
> >> something more subtle?
> >>
> > +1 +++
> >
> >>
> >> 3) The hierarchy of headers only deals with H1 and H2.
> >>
> > There is a need for more levels, and maybe skip H1 and thereby making it
> > easier to transfer to/from mwiki.
> >
>
> Could you explain what you mean here?   MWiki doesn't use H1?
>
It is a convention in mwiki that H1 is generated automatically from the
title.

You can use H1 in your document, but at I have managed to break the
automatically generated content list.

rgds
Jan I

>
> -Rob
>
>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm willing to help here, on integration of new stylesheets, getting
> >> stuff checked in, etc.  But I have neither the taste nor the talent to
> >> design a good looking set of styles.  Trust me, you do not want be to
> >> do design work.  So I'm hoping that someone reading this can volunteer
> >> to take the lead in proposing a good, modern, professional set of
> >> styles that we can use across both websites.
> >>
> > That makes two of a kind, I think you need to have a special touch to be
> a
> > good designer.
> >
> > Jan.
> >
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
>

Re: Website style disconnect

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 12:23 PM, janI  wrote:
> On 19 December 2012 18:13, Rob Weir  wrote:
>
>> cc'ing the marketing list, since we have some recent volunteers who
>> said they had web design skills.
>>
>> We have two websites for the project:
>>
>> 1) A public-facing website at http://www.openoffice.org
>>
>> 2) A project-facing website at http://openoffice.apache.org
>>
>> In practice the distinction is not always clear.  There are many links
>> that cross from one website to another.  For example, a user starting
>> at http://www.openoffice.org/ and clicking the "I want to Participate
>> in OpenOffice" ends on on this project page here:
>> http://openoffice.apache.org/get-involved.html.
>>
>> The websites have a similar look, but they differ in many small ways,
>> and the cumulative effect of these differences is discordant (IMHO).
>>
> Would it not be more efficient just to have one website, with e.g. a
> project corner, I for one tend to get confused when I search information ?
>

The www.openoffice.org website is the legacy website, the one that
OpenOffice has had for over a decade.

But it is also a convention at Apache for all projects to have a
website as a subdomain of apache,org.  So we also have
openoffice.apache,org.

When we first moved to Apache there was a long, hard period of
migration for website and wiki and forums and bugzilla, etc.  During
that time it was essential that we had some stability, so we could
coordinate.  So having a stable website and CWiki and mailing lists at
Apache was great, since that allowed us some downtime during the
migration of the legacy website and services.

But it might make more sense now to get the website and wiki
consolidated into one location rather than maintain these two
different websites.  We only have 40 or so pages on
openoffice.apache.org, so migration would not be too painful.  In any
case, something to consider...


>>
>> To draw out the difference, I made two identical test pages that
>> illustrate how the different style sheets treat common HTML
>> constructs, and differences in page headers/footers:
>>
>> See:
>>
>> http://openoffice.apache.org/style-test.html
>>
>> and
>>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/style-test.html
>>
> If we need two, it would be real nice (as you suggest) that the layout is
> identical.
>
>
>>
>> Note, for example, how our tagline differs between the pages.   Also,
>> the default font size on the openoffice.org is smaller than on
>> openoffice.apache.org.  IMHO this is too small for default text.
>>
>> There are other things that are common between the two sites, but
>> perhaps are non-optimal, like:
>>
>> 1) We're really not distinguishing blockquotes well.  We're just
>> indenting.  Maybe we can add a left-aligned vertical bar?
>>
> +1
>
>>
>> 2) The yellow background of the  block is a bit extreme.  Maybe
>> something more subtle?
>>
> +1 +++
>
>>
>> 3) The hierarchy of headers only deals with H1 and H2.
>>
> There is a need for more levels, and maybe skip H1 and thereby making it
> easier to transfer to/from mwiki.
>

Could you explain what you mean here?   MWiki doesn't use H1?

-Rob


>>
>>
>> I'm willing to help here, on integration of new stylesheets, getting
>> stuff checked in, etc.  But I have neither the taste nor the talent to
>> design a good looking set of styles.  Trust me, you do not want be to
>> do design work.  So I'm hoping that someone reading this can volunteer
>> to take the lead in proposing a good, modern, professional set of
>> styles that we can use across both websites.
>>
> That makes two of a kind, I think you need to have a special touch to be a
> good designer.
>
> Jan.
>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> -Rob
>>

Re: Incompatible changes in AOO 4.0 ?

[Pedro Giffuni]

Hi Juergen;


- Messaggio originale -
> Da: Jürgen Schmidt 
 ...
>>> 
>>>  So before we attempt a brain transplant with the spreadsheet formulas,
>>>  let's make sure we're all comfortable with the real-world risk 
> this
>>>  introduces and have a plan to find (and fix) the bugs this will
>>>  inevitably introduce.  Of course, this is not a demand on you
>>>  personally, but a challenge for the project overall.
>>>   
>> 
>>  Sure, we have to be careful. For good or for bad, boost doesn't provide
>>  replacements for everything we do: I think basically the hyperbolic and
>>  some power functions that are in my patch and the statistics functions.
> 
> I simply would like to propose that we make use of our new automated
> test framework and introduce new tests for the functions where we change
> the implementation.
> If we found bugs in the old existing implementations we should adapt the
> tests to reflect the correct behaviour and correct results and should
> add a note in the release notes to make our users aware of the fix that
> can produce new unexpected I (but correct results).
> 
> Having these kind of automated tests for all functions would be a huge
> improvement to ensure the quality of calc. And it would help to tweak,
> improve the implementation in the future. It should be a nice task to
> get started and make good progress quite fast (which is always motivating)
> 
> Juergen
> 

+1

It would be great to have some testing expert involved, and also some
documentation about how to add a new test.

This said, the testing framework is targeted for things that have
already been committed to the development tree, and before that
we should have already tested the correctness of the
implementation.

Pedro.

Re: Incompatible changes in AOO 4.0 ?

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 1/1/13 10:52 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
> Hi again;
> 
> - Messaggio originale -
>> Da: Rob Weir 
> 
>>
>> So there are two things here:
>>
>> 1) All the junk out to the 12th decimal place that might matter to a
>> few people and which might be improved by moving to boost
>>
> 
> I think this will indeed be improved by boost. Boost is really cool in
> that it can promote automatically the number types if there is an
> advantage when doing calculations
> 
>   
>> 2) The edge stuff where we can very well break real world spreadsheets
>> if we're not careful.
>>
>> This is not entirely about the 12th decimal place.  I was one of the
>> co-authors of the OpenFormula specification used in ODF.  There is
>> more there than just mathematical fact.  There are a lot of
>> conventions, purely pragmatic conventions, involved in spreadsheet
>> formulas, and we need to get those right as well.
>>  
> 
> Thanks to Regina's test spreadsheet I found that I had to change the default
> boost policy for a simple reason: a scientist wants to know if there is an
> overflow and is likely to want to stop all the calculations, a Calc user 
> doesn't
> really care too much and finds absolutely unacceptable to have the application
> close when such thing happens.
> 
> Boost actually let's us control the math behavior very well.
> 
>> For example, take the POWER() function.  POWER(x;y) == x^y.   So what
>> is POWER(0;0) ?   I'm sure boost returns something there.  But is it
>> the same as AOO 3.4.1 returns?  And does it conform to OpenFormula?
>>  
> 
> I happen to have some memories of this specific case. Calc, like my
> college HP calculator, erroneously sets the value to 1. Calculating
> the limit, as we did in Calculus I, it can be proved the correct result is
> infinite. This should be fixed in Calc.
> 
> OpenFormula is rather ambivalent: it says it is implementation dependent
> and it can be 0, 1, or Infinite.
> 
> Boost has no opinion about it: Boost doesn't provide a replacement for this.
> 
> It is a perfectly valid point though, ee have to check those things function
> by function.
> 
> ...
>>
>> So before we attempt a brain transplant with the spreadsheet formulas,
>> let's make sure we're all comfortable with the real-world risk this
>> introduces and have a plan to find (and fix) the bugs this will
>> inevitably introduce.  Of course, this is not a demand on you
>> personally, but a challenge for the project overall.
>>  
> 
> Sure, we have to be careful. For good or for bad, boost doesn't provide
> replacements for everything we do: I think basically the hyperbolic and
> some power functions that are in my patch and the statistics functions.

I simply would like to propose that we make use of our new automated
test framework and introduce new tests for the functions where we change
the implementation.
If we found bugs in the old existing implementations we should adapt the
tests to reflect the correct behaviour and correct results and should
add a note in the release notes to make our users aware of the fix that
can produce new unexpected I (but correct results).

Having these kind of automated tests for all functions would be a huge
improvement to ensure the quality of calc. And it would help to tweak,
improve the implementation in the future. It should be a nice task to
get started and make good progress quite fast (which is always motivating)

Juergen




> 
> Pedro.
> 

Re: What does "supported" mean for us?

[Roberto Galoppini]

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:39 AM, Ian C  wrote:
> A corollary to this is also the notion of End of Life, or when is a
> release no longer "supported".
> In a volunteer framework that may be never, someone may always be
> fiddling with an older version?
> Are older releases archived forever?
>
> When do we say "Sorry that will not be fixed, please upgrade to a
> newer version that already addressees the issue"?
> I wrestle with this in a commercial environment all the time.
> Sometimes upgrading is a time consuming task and one in which the user
> needs to the have confidence in the product to do it.

I believe this is material in an enterprise environment. It's not rare
to see vendors supporting commercially an open source platform to
offer long-time support services for older versions. As a matter of
fact users and paying customers need that. It would be good to give
people an option, if the community doesn't support older versions
maybe there are vendors doing that.

Roberto thinking loud too

>
> Just thinking out loud.
>
> Best wishes for the New Year to one and all
>
> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 2:43 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>>> HI Rob,
>>>
>>> I like your emphasis here on "Supported". Let's discuss support in terms of 
>>> actual process and precisely what are official releases vs. user 
>>> convenience releases. Both of which are VOTED, but only the source code 
>>> release can be completely vetted by all of the project. The convenience 
>>> binaries are well tested and approved. These are what you are discussing 
>>> when you describe "Supported" below.
>>>
>>
>> Even when we release source code it is relevant what platforms and
>> configurations have been tested and which ones we say we support.
>> Remember, we're not releasing a literary work, source code to be
>> printed on paper and read for enjoyment.  It is source code that's
>> only practical use is to be compiled into binaries that must of
>> necessity run on an operating system.  So platform support is equally
>> relevant for both source and binary distributions.  To support one is
>> to support another.  For example, if we say we support Windows XP,
>> then we must maintain a building guide and be prepared to answer
>> questions from those who want to build binaries that work on that
>> platform.  So there a parallel support and maintenance obligation for
>> the source distributions as well.
>>
>>
>>> So when the project votes to release a user convenience binary we are 
>>> voting to support that configuration. This can change at any release.
>>>
>>
>> In most cases this would happen simultaneously with the release of the
>> source distribution. But there may be cases where testing of a
>> platform only completes at a latter point and we indicate it is
>> supported then.  This might not require a release of any new source or
>> binary.  Windows 8 might be a good example here.  It was released
>> after AOO 3.4.1 came out.  If we tested it now and found it worked
>> fine, then we would simply update the release notes to reflect this.
>> No formal vote required.  Lazy consensus should be enough, I think.
>>
>>> Packages are built by project members using the buildbot or on personal 
>>> equipment.
>>>
>>> Let's look at Apache Subversion's packages [1]. The project only produces 
>>> source code and the binary packages are the responsibility of third parties.
>>
>> So does Subversion release purely based on reviewing source code?  Or
>> does their community test binaries on particular platforms?  Of course
>> they do.  Their release notes are filled with observations on what
>> configurations work and which do not:
>> http://subversion.apache.org/docs/release-notes/1.7
>>
>> That's the nature of cross-platform C++ code.  IMHO, what platforms
>> are supported is unrelated to the source versus binary question.  The
>> binary is simply a machine transformation of the source (ask any
>> lawyer) and a bug in the source will guarantee a bug in the binary
>> (ask an engineer),
>>
>>>
>>> AOO has both project supported packages, the voted on user convenience 
>>> binaries. There are also third party packages which project member's 
>>> produce and "support". Examples are FreeBSD and Solaris.
>>>
>>> I think that AOO should provide a page with a table that lists "Free 
>>> support".
>>>
>>> Columns might be.
>>> (1) Operating System and Version.
>>> (2) Apache Open Office Version as a link to a download.
>>> (3) Packager - AOO, FreeBSD, Adfinis (sic), etc.
>>> (4) Available free support - forum, ML, etc. (Would we support 
>>> FreeBSD/Solaris AOO on dev ML?)
>>>
>>> The table could be followed by a description about what support means as 
>>> you describe below plus some indication about how to get on the list which 
>>> should include a vetting procedure and a project VOTE.
>>>
>>
>> I'd rather avoid using the word "support" in different senses, if we
>> can avoid it.   Ideally we'd use a different te

Re: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4 logo proposals...

[Armin Le Grand]

Hi Michael,

thanks for the continued work, I like it more than the prev ones. Still, 
for my taste, it is too complicated. I honour to try to add information 
about the available applications, but - for a logo, it's too 
complicated. The big plus with the orb is it's *simplicity* from my POV.
Thus, I took the time and quickly created what I think would be enough 
(using Draw ;-)). Have a look at:


The draw file: http://people.apache.org/~alg/Logos/AOOLogo.odg
The same as screenshot (for quick viewing): 
http://people.apache.org/~alg/Logos/AOOLogo.png


It is:
- simple
- modernized to the (now) famous 'app'-Logo form
- easy to remember
- easy to reproduce

No Text. If text is needed, place it beneath or below.
No Numbers. If needed, place beneath or below.
Keep it simple :-)

What do you think?

On 27.12.2012 05:07, Michael Acevedo wrote:

Greetings to all in the mailing list and those in this AOO Logo Proposal
subject,

In this email, I would like to mention that I have added two new logo
proposals to the Apache OpenOffice Logo exploration wiki article. Now let
me explain what this new logo it's all about.

The new logo design does away with the orb and changes it for a gull ring
that rests under a blue background which itself rests on circles which are
inspired on the Adobe Flex logo multicolor scheme. The new gull ring while
being new, retains the familiar circular shape of the current OpenOffice
logo, but at the same time is a new take that pays respect to the orb. All
of these elements are wrapped in a modern black gradient icon than makes
the logo stand out. Furthermore, the new logo actually changes the look of
the word OpenOffice into a more modern non-capitalized "openoffice" word
design (also an inspiration from the Adobe Flex project logo). The latter
serves the function of highlighting Apache as the owner of the project
(whose name is in capital letters), yet the non-capitalized "openoffice"
names takes presence by being written in a larger size font. Overall, the
new logo design is simple, clean, and modern.

Now that I have given a sense of the new logo, I would like to show you a
reveal video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC-tOuhTm9Y

But there is one last detail, which actually is a testament to the power of
OpenOffice. The detail is that the logo that you see at the end of the
video was 99% made in Apache OpenOffice Draw.

Hope you liked the logo and the reveal video.

Happy Holidays!

You can see the formal proposal in the Cwiki at Apache:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.x+-+Logo+Explorations


On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Michael Acevedo  wrote:


Greetings Kevin, I would not mind posting the logos to that AOO UX wiki.
Thing is I don't know where it is or whether it is on the cwiki or mwiki
(if it is on the latter, I need to request an account).

Let me know.


On Saturday, December 22, 2012, Kevin Grignon wrote:


Michael,

Great work. Design is very iterative. Keep pushing!

Using the design explorations is a great way to stimulate a conversation
which can help us better understand the requirements. Perhaps we could
harvest the criteria for success in the thread and capture in the wiki

Then we can make the design review process less subjective by having
people review design explorations relative to stated goals.

Also, the mailing list is tough place to review designs, can you post the
design explorations to the AOO UX wiki?

Regards,
Kevin


On Dec 23, 2012, at 10:56 AM, Michael Acevedo  wrote:


I think I've come up with something that is simplistic on the eye but
beautiful an lively.

Still working on it but stay tuned.


On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Michael Acevedo 

wrote:

RGB,

I see the ring as something different. The blue to me represents the

open

blue sky, and the ring around it as a frame to an opening of an open

world.


On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 8:16 AM, RGB ES  wrote:


2012/12/22 janI 


I am no designer, but I have tried to make a suggestion to better

explain

what I mean.

The current proposals all have squares / circles etc. and apart from

the

original similarity with windows8 that has a special signal value.

A surface (square/circle etc) especially with a border, signal:
  - limitation or positive a product that fullfills a single purpose
  - closeness or positive a product the specialize in one function

AOO is in my mind much more, we are open at levels where normal

products

can only dream to go:
- AOO is used in nearly every corner of the earth.
- AOO is open for translation to no matter how small a language group
- AOO is open for developers who want to hack their own specialized
versions
- AOO is open for repackaging supplying the core of a wider extented
product.
I could go on.

I think it is important that our logo signals this freedom and

openess

after all we are OPEN office.


+1. The ring around the orb give the idea of boundaries, limits, and

we

are
trying to go beyond every limit ;)




I know 

Re: [discussion] Buildbot standard a.o or our own.

[janI]

Andrea:

thx for your observations.

With the very low activity we have on trunk, there might be no reason for
statistics.

I am simply just used to a more comfortable and flexible build system. If I
want to check my l10n changes on different platforms I have to (or so I
have been told) merge it to trunk and maybe be a pain for all others, an
alternative (which is seen in other build systems) is a possibility to
register a branch for a single night-compile.

but I will leave that theme to others.
Jan I.

On 1 January 2013 23:07, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> janI wrote:
>
>> I might be wrong but do we e.g.
>> - get automatic mail when a build fails ?
>> - have a statistic over our build through time ?
>>
>
> Notifications are sent to openoffice-commits, see for example
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.**org/mod_mbox/openoffice-**
> commits/201301.mbox/%**3C20130101075333.41945C00F8@**aegis.apache.org%3E
>
> I don't know if we have a handy way to see the build history and not just
> the latest build status displayed at
> http://ci.apache.org/projects/**openoffice/
>
>
>  I think the job being done today is great, and was in my own (obviously
>> not
>> too elegant) way just trying to see if we could improve.
>>
>
> I didn't see anything inappropriate in the requests and reactions about
> the buildbot so far... it's normal to ask, it's normal to expect easy
> fixes, and it's normal that more challenging changes are accepted or denied
> based on discussion with people who are doing that work.
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>

Re: [discussion] Buildbot standard a.o or our own.

[Herbert Duerr]

On 01.01.2013 23:07, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

janI wrote:

I might be wrong but do we e.g.
- get automatic mail when a build fails ?
- have a statistic over our build through time ?


Notifications are sent to openoffice-commits, see for example

http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-commits/201301.mbox/%3c20130101075333.41945c0...@aegis.apache.org%3E


I don't know if we have a handy way to see the build history and not
just the latest build status displayed at
http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/


The "waterfall display" at http://s.apache.org/aoo_bbots1 gives a good 
overview of the current and recent activity of all our buildbots.


The history of individual build results is available too, e.g.
http://ci.apache.org/builders/aoo-win7 show the status of last five 
builds of the buildbot responsible for our nightly Windows builds.


The finer details of each build are also available in e.g.
  http://ci.apache.org/builders/aoo-win7/builds/450
and an even more detailed overview of its latest build is at

http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/buildlogs/win/log/wntmsci12.pro.build.html

Hope that helps.

Happy new year to everyone!
Herbert

Re: [proposal] Adopt palette to Symphony palette partially

[Armin Le Grand]

Hi List,

I have now comitted the adapted version as discussed; please have a look 
in one of the next versions. As with gradients - suggestions are 
welcome, nothing i set in stone ;-)


Sincerely,
Armin

On 20.12.2012 11:45, Armin Le Grand wrote:

Hi List,

Talking about palettes is always difficult - at the end, it's a 
question of taste. Nonetheless, we need a palette which is by default 
installed with the office. You all know the current one (for years 
;-)) which I think is far from optimal. Thus, I analyzed the current 
one and want to share my findings. From that, I want to propose a 
change for our next release. Also probably not optimal, but optimal in 
this field depends on the user's eye and cannot be met by a single 
palette anyways.


Talking about palettes is also difficult since you need to 'see' 
something - pictures say more than words. To make that easier, I have 
prepared some data. Please look at


A Impress document containing two slides 
(http://people.apache.org/~alg/Palette/palette.odp)
The two slides as png's for convenience 
(http://people.apache.org/~alg/Palette/palette.png, 
http://people.apache.org/~alg/Palette/palette2.png)


The following thext refers to figures there, so please take a look to 
see what the text is about (...if you want to continue reading ;-))


The current (old?) AOO Palette, It's made up of five groups (from my 
perspective):


(a) The 16 VGA colors: These come originally from the times where only 
16 colors were possible and are in hex color notation exactly all 
eight combinations of red/green/blue on or off, plus these in half 
intensity. It *had* technical reasons, but these colors do not have 
any special meaning for the user today (well, for the programmer). 
Anyways, they are a result of old technical limitations. I think they 
are ugly and lead to ugly results when using them directly (but that's 
my impression).


(b) The 'Main' Colors: 56 colors which try to build up to eight 
gradient-stepped ranges, e.g. orange. These ranges are *not* 
equidistantly spread, but somewhat wild/random (see e.g. the reds). I 
do not know where they historically come from, but I guess they were 
done by a deveoper at these days. There are some nice colors among 
them, but not too many. I always search for useful colors there


(c) The Pale colors: These seem to be younger than the others, may 
have to do historically with the StarOffice 5.2 color theme, but I'm 
not sure. Not too bad, not too good a selection. A group of seven 
colors which form a nice kind of 'schema' and make your presentation 
look 'acceptable' when using them together.


(d) The Chart colors: 12 colors used in the new chart module written 
some years ago. AFAIK these were added at that time especially to 
support the user having colors at hand corresponding to the default 
chart colors. Nice. Useful.


(e) 'Nice' Colors: A sub-group from (b). One is fix, it's the 
mentioned 'Blue 9' which is currently the default color for objects 
and has to be in the palette. I personally like (and often use) 'Blue 
Gray'. These are a question of taste, I would reccomend the named 
ones, but we need to collect 'your' favorites here. Keep in mind to 
keep this number low (probably 4-5) and do not forget that the color 
you like were not choosen freely, but *because* you were limited to 
the offered ones, so it might be a compromize you are just used to.


Quite a mix. I compared it with Syphony's palette and there completely 
new colors are used. One interesting aspect are the white/gray/black 
ones: In our current palette these are divided between (a) (black, 
white and two grays) and (b) (the rest, gray 80% .. gray 20%). This is 
of course because the first four grays are technically in the old VGA 
palette. I more than once were mad about finding the correct gray in 
our palette, because of the bad positioning in it. Symphony has all 
needed grays in one draw as first entries in the palette (what I would 
expect nowadays).


Thus, I propose:
- Basically use Symphony palette
- Preserve some nice olors from our old palette, but not more than 4 
or 5. The default color needs to be preserved (blue 9). I propose to 
only keep 'Blue Gray', but let's see which other colors are favorites 
here...

- Add the Pale colors
- Add the Chart colors

The result is 'hand crafted' in the docs linked above, please have a 
look :-)


Another aspect of the new palette is that it copies from Symphony the 
use of '12-er groups' which look nice when you order the palette in a 
way that 12 colors are in a row, please see the picture. This could be 
a part of our sidepane in progress.


One more hint: This palette offers defaults to the user after AOO is 
newly installed, not more (and not less). It can be changed by the 
user anytime. Colors can be added/deleted by the user. This has no 
technical limitations in the sense that changing the palette may 
influence existing ODF's or other written files. E.g. the chart co

Re: old business...old OpenOffice domain names registered by Oracle (primarily)

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 31/12/2012 Andrew Rist wrote:

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4906

You'll notice the issue is from me. at the time I created the JIRA I had
all of the domains released for transfer. I'm not sure if they are still
in that state (probably not), but if someone wants to get this going
again, I will make sure to cover whatever actions need to happen on the
Oracle side.


Perfect, then it seems that r...@apache.org is only waiting for an 
e-mail from you to make it happen... hoping that domains can still be 
transferred.


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: What does "supported" mean for us?

[Joost Andrae]

Hi,


So is Vista supported?   It certainly isn't deprecated.  But neither
is it getting the full QA treatment.  Similar questions for Linux
releases.  We don't test every release of every distro.  We pick the
major ones, such as the Ubuntu LTS releases.



on Vista I would be surprised if AOO won't run on it.
On Linux if AOO picks a defined version of a Linux distro as a 
'supported' one then this would be the wrong decision. 'Supporting' has 
to be seen in a more technical manner not from the 'commercial support' 
POV. In the past OOo was built by using a build infrastructure that 
allowed OOo to run the binary on most of the Linux distributions. There 
were just a few distros that failed because they were incompatible to 
everything else.


Platform compatibility depends on some prerequisites (just some examples):

glibc versions supported
system dependent system integration (eg. on KDE, Gnome, etc.)
drag&drop support
clipboard support
sane support on that platform
java dependencies on that platform (eg. Sun Java version, OpenSource 
derivates)


The more important question is: Is AOO a LSB compatible application ?



Kind regards, Joost