Sadly, ODF allows any of three values to be returned, any user assuming
any specific behavior is foolish. Load the document in any product or
version, and it may change.
If I order my preference, it is error, 1, and then 0.
On 02/10/2013 04:18 PM, Hagar Delest wrote:
The problem is to give t
On 02/10/2013 10:04 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
My thinking is the Calc should return the mathematically correct answer.
ODF standard defines what can be returned. If there is a single
mathematically correct answer, I would expect the standard to define it.
If the standard is wrong (like definin
For the record, I checked IS29500-1 (:2008 and :2011) on what the rules are for
OOXML.
OOXML does not specify any edge cases or failure modes for SERIESSUM
whatsoever. It simply gives the mathematical expansion and provides a
non-revealing example.
On the other hand, POWER(0,0) is defined
I don't see how this discussion impacts the results of SERIESSUM. The nice
aspect of SERIESSUM is that it specifies precisely what the result should be.
So long as no exponents are negative, it requires that SERIESSUM(0;...) be
either c[0] or 0 depending on whether or not 0 is included in the
http://openoffice.apache.org/students.html
As we've seen, we get a few students every semester. I'd like to have
a page we can point them to. We have the "get started" page and the
new volunteer ones. But there are some points specifically for
students that I think we should say.
Any other thi
Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Hagar Delest wrote:
No, what bothers me is your silence in the other topics.
Congratulations for being the first one -- to my knowledge at least --
to argue that I should be giving more opinions
Well, the others are probably fine with the curre
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:26 PM, david waldrip wrote:
> Hi, My Name is John Waldrip I'm from Opelika AL And I am interested in Doing
> Powerpoint in The Service.
Hi John,
Welcome to the Apache OpenOffice project.
If you have any questions, let us know. As you may have seen we have
different ma
Hi all,
Here my view:
We should not change the current behavior, because
- It is one of three allowed result, so it is not an error.
- Changing it, would break old documents.
- returning 1 will be consistent with SERIESSUM (I know, that SERIESSUM
is currently not yet adapted to ODF1.2, but for S
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Stuart wrote:
> On Feb 9, 2013, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>>>
>>> A good practical example of backwards-incompatible
>
>>> changes in version 4.0 is the behavior of Calc while
>>> computing 0 ^ 0.
>>>
>>>
>>> You can find a long issue, with different points of
>
>>> v
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Hagar Delest wrote:
> Le 10/02/2013 21:53, Rob Weir a écrit :
>
>> The error in your thinking is to persist in arguing that there is only
>> one correct answer. That is false. I can point to mathematical
>> authorities of great reputation to argue for any of thre
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Hagar Delest wrote:
> Le 10/02/2013 21:57, Rob Weir a écrit :
>
>> Just because I don't hijack this thread to discuss an unrelated issue
>> does not mean anything. I am also against torture, high public debt
>> and rap music, but that does not mean I am going to d
Le 10/02/2013 21:57, Rob Weir a écrit :
Just because I don't hijack this thread to discuss an unrelated issue
does not mean anything. I am also against torture, high public debt
and rap music, but that does not mean I am going to discuss them in
this thread. And it certainly does not mean that m
Le 10/02/2013 21:53, Rob Weir a écrit :
The error in your thinking is to persist in arguing that there is only
one correct answer. That is false. I can point to mathematical
authorities of great reputation to argue for any of three answers. The
question is whether we change from the correct ans
On 02/10/2013 02:50 PM, Juergen Schmidt wrote:
Am Sonntag, 10. Februar 2013 um 19:04 schrieb Carl Marcum:
Hi all,
I would like to branch NB integration plugin for 3.0 and start modifying
trunk for AOO 4.0 compatibility.
I would like to also tag current version as 3.0.1 at the same time.
Trunk
On 10 February 2013 00:39, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> It is not clear that OpenOffice-lineage software has returned the same value
> for POWER(0,0) over the years. It seems that a third-party library has been
> relied upon for the implementation and there was apparently not much
> attention
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Hagar Delest wrote:
> Le 10/02/2013 21:21, Rob Weir a écrit :
>
>> Did you not notice the title of this thread? Has it entirely escaped
>> you that we're talking about 0^0 here? If you want to start another
>> threat about extensions, then go ahead and I will comm
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Hagar Delest wrote:
> Le 10/02/2013 21:34, Rob Weir a écrit :
>
>> This is NOT a complex math problem. It is trivial one, with three
>> perfectly valid answers. Debating among them is merely a time-wasting
>> form of bikeshedding. Everyone and his little sister
Le 10/02/2013 21:21, Rob Weir a écrit :
Did you not notice the title of this thread? Has it entirely escaped
you that we're talking about 0^0 here? If you want to start another
threat about extensions, then go ahead and I will comment there. But
anyone of the intelligence of a grapefruit would
Le 10/02/2013 21:34, Rob Weir a écrit :
This is NOT a complex math problem. It is trivial one, with three
perfectly valid answers. Debating among them is merely a time-wasting
form of bikeshedding. Everyone and his little sister has an opinion
on 0^0.
Then you should update the wiki page to
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Hagar Delest wrote:
> Le 10/02/2013 21:16, Stuart a écrit :
>
>> Both of you have perfectly reasonable points. Why don't we simply make it
>> configurable whether POWER returns one, zero, or some error? For reasons of
>> backward compatibility we could return the v
Le 06/02/2013 21:21, Hagar Delest a écrit :
Le 06/02/2013 09:03, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann a écrit :
BTW, does the above given workarounds work on your side?
Sadly, it's the profile of the machine that got its Windows XP partition
unusable anymore.
So can't say.
But I keep the information in mi
Le 10/02/2013 21:16, Stuart a écrit :
Both of you have perfectly reasonable points. Why don't we simply make it
configurable whether POWER returns one, zero, or some error? For reasons of
backward compatibility we could return the value one as default, and if the
user wants better MS Office co
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Hagar Delest wrote:
> Le 10/02/2013 17:07, Rob Weir a écrit :
>
>> But it is not question of mathematics. It is a question about how we
>> make controversial changes and how we keep the ecosystem informed
>> about breaking changes. Hiding behind one (but not the
On Feb 9, 2013, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
A good practical example of backwards-incompatible
>> changes in version 4.0 is the behavior of Calc while
>> computing 0 ^ 0.
You can find a long issue, with different points of
>> view, about this at:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=1144
Le 10/02/2013 17:07, Rob Weir a écrit :
But it is not question of mathematics. It is a question about how we
make controversial changes and how we keep the ecosystem informed
about breaking changes. Hiding behind one (but not the only)
mathematical convention for this calculation avoids dealing
Indeed, I've seen.
But not much for the moment.
But Of course, the proposal seems a good one.
Hagar
Le 10/02/2013 17:26, Andrea Pescetti a écrit :
On 10/02/2013 Hagar Delest wrote:
you don't mind breaking the backward compatibility of the whole
extensions eco-system? See:
http://www.mail-arch
Am Sonntag, 10. Februar 2013 um 19:04 schrieb Carl Marcum:
> Hi all,
>
> I would like to branch NB integration plugin for 3.0 and start modifying
> trunk for AOO 4.0 compatibility.
>
> I would like to also tag current version as 3.0.1 at the same time.
>
> Trunk would become version 4.0 to main
Hi all,
I would like to branch NB integration plugin for 3.0 and start modifying
trunk for AOO 4.0 compatibility.
I would like to also tag current version as 3.0.1 at the same time.
Trunk would become version 4.0 to maintain major version number the same
as AOO.
If there are no objections
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 10:30 AM, janI wrote:
> Hi.
>
> It is relatively easy for a sysop to create a new language and catagory so
> it apears on the homepage. Just sent me an e-mail if you support from me.
>
> May I suggest we only create language areas where we have people actively
> maintaining
On 10/02/2013 Hagar Delest wrote:
you don't mind breaking the backward compatibility of the whole
extensions eco-system? See:
http://www.mail-archive.com/api@openoffice.apache.org/msg00107.html
I'm lost about the priorities...
For the record, there's an after-FOSDEM followup to that thread with
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Hagar Delest wrote:
> Le 10/02/2013 16:30, Rob Weir a écrit :
>
>> It does not follow that if "real mathematicians" do not use
>> spreadsheets, that making breaking changes does not have consequences.
>> That logic is nonsensical.
>
>
> I said that the consequen
Le 10/02/2013 16:30, Rob Weir a écrit :
It does not follow that if "real mathematicians" do not use
spreadsheets, that making breaking changes does not have consequences.
That logic is nonsensical.
I said that the consequences would be very limited. And that using "mathematicians
using sprea
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 15:44:38 +0100
> RGB ES wrote:
>
>> 2013/2/10 Hagar Delest
>>
>> > Le 10/02/2013 00:43, Rob Weir a écrit :
>> >
>> > Spreadsheets are used by businessmen and not only mathematicians.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I think that very
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Hagar Delest wrote:
> Le 10/02/2013 00:43, Rob Weir a écrit :
>
>> Spreadsheets are used by businessmen and not only mathematicians.
>
>
> I think that very few mathematicians use AOO at all.
> Even in the industry (in which I work for almost 15 years), MS Excel is
On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 15:44:38 +0100
RGB ES wrote:
> 2013/2/10 Hagar Delest
>
> > Le 10/02/2013 00:43, Rob Weir a écrit :
> >
> > Spreadsheets are used by businessmen and not only mathematicians.
> >>
> >
> > I think that very few mathematicians use AOO at all.
> > Even in the industry (in which
2013/2/10 Hagar Delest
> Le 10/02/2013 00:43, Rob Weir a écrit :
>
> Spreadsheets are used by businessmen and not only mathematicians.
>>
>
> I think that very few mathematicians use AOO at all.
> Even in the industry (in which I work for almost 15 years), MS Excel is
> not used to perform high
Le 10/02/2013 00:43, Rob Weir a écrit :
Spreadsheets are used by businessmen and not only mathematicians.
I think that very few mathematicians use AOO at all.
Even in the industry (in which I work for almost 15 years), MS Excel is not
used to perform high level calculations. Even the nice char
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