Re: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer

[Patricia Shanahan]

On 10/28/2015 8:18 PM, F C. Costero wrote:

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 7:37 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:


On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Patricia Shanahan  wrote:


I am a very experienced programmer and computer architect, now retired.

My

current strongest language is Java, but I have programmed in many

languages

and can learn them as needed. My last professional C++ work was in the
1980's.

Although I am Chair of the Apache River PMC, the types of work it
currently needs, other than the facilitation and reporting I do as Chair,
are outside my areas of expertise. I have time to do some programming
elsewhere.

I have been an OpenOffice user - I started using StarOffice at Sun around
2000 - but more recently I've switched to LibreOffice because of lack of
OpenOffice releases. I am now downloading OpenOffice 4.1.2.

I have become aware that OpenOffice needs more developers. Despite the
rustiness of my C++, I hope I can help. If so, how should I get started?



​You have wonderful experience, Patricia! ​Thank you for your interest.
Stay tuned. We'll be discussing plans and tasks  for the future very soon.
Meanwhile, we could certainly use some "architect" eyes on our code. Please
weigh in as you see fit.

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“The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.”
   --Lao Tzu


Hello Patricia,
You might be interested in the comments in favor of Java use in AOO made
on this list by Damjan Jovanovic on Oct 15. I'm sorry I can't link to them
at the moment.
Francis



Thanks. I've just read the thread. I certainly prefer Java to C++, but I 
rarely have a machine capable of running OpenOffice that does not have 
at least one JRE installed.


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Re: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer

[F C. Costero]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 7:37 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Patricia Shanahan  wrote:
>
> > I am a very experienced programmer and computer architect, now retired.
> My
> > current strongest language is Java, but I have programmed in many
> languages
> > and can learn them as needed. My last professional C++ work was in the
> > 1980's.
> >
> > Although I am Chair of the Apache River PMC, the types of work it
> > currently needs, other than the facilitation and reporting I do as Chair,
> > are outside my areas of expertise. I have time to do some programming
> > elsewhere.
> >
> > I have been an OpenOffice user - I started using StarOffice at Sun around
> > 2000 - but more recently I've switched to LibreOffice because of lack of
> > OpenOffice releases. I am now downloading OpenOffice 4.1.2.
> >
> > I have become aware that OpenOffice needs more developers. Despite the
> > rustiness of my C++, I hope I can help. If so, how should I get started?
> >
> >
> ​You have wonderful experience, Patricia! ​Thank you for your interest.
> Stay tuned. We'll be discussing plans and tasks  for the future very soon.
> Meanwhile, we could certainly use some "architect" eyes on our code. Please
> weigh in as you see fit.
>
> --
> --
> MzK
>
> “The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.”
>   --Lao Tzu
>
Hello Patricia,
   You might be interested in the comments in favor of Java use in AOO made
on this list by Damjan Jovanovic on Oct 15. I'm sorry I can't link to them
at the moment.
Francis

Re: Is AOO 4.1.2 notably faster?

[F C. Costero]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Pedro Giffuni  wrote:

> Just wondering …
>
> Are people noticing a faster startup in AOO 4.1.2? In the BSDs we generally
> prefer to use calloc over malloc + memset when it makes sense. A relatively
> small change that I did, and was safe enough to be merged to the release,
> might have had an effect there.
>
> It’s too easy to be biased when you make such changes so it would be
> interesting to get confirmation ;).
>
> Pedro.
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> Hi Pedro,
  It is funny you mention this. Just today I installed 4.1.2 on a Linux
machine. I had not previously used AOO on Linux. I was amazed at the speed
of the start up. MUCH faster than 4.1.2 on Windows. Not having used a Linux
machine in the past, I can't say it is faster than it used to be but it was
impressive.
Francis

Re: University student looking for experience in contributing to the Open Office project

[#PATHANGI JANARDHANAN JATINSHRAVAN#]

Hi,
  I have built OpenOffice successfully and have been looking at patches 
and comparing the with the codebase that I cloned, 
  
 So now is it ok to ask what unfinished projects people are available 
to mentor?

Thanks




From: Andrea Pescetti 
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 02:49 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: University student looking for experience in contributing to the 
Open Office project

On 18/10/2015 PATHANGI JANARDHANAN JATINSHRAVAN wrote:
> I have also cloned the repository from svn so that I can look at the
> code changes as I look at the issues on bugzilla. I hope that this can
> get me some familiarity with the codebase.

It will, and it is a good way to start.
Do you prefer git? Just clone https://github.com/apache/openoffice (the
official mirror; code is OK, other features/stats are mostly broken). I
recommend the AOO410 branch since focus is on that for the rest of
October, until we release OpenOffice 4.1.2.

> I am working on a machine with Mac OS X Yosemite (10.10). I forgot
> to  mention this in the previous email.

This is good! We definitely welcome more Mac developers.

> I am basically hoping that after getting to grips with the basics, I
> can get to working with someone as a mentor of sorts on a decent sized
> feature/module.

Finding something for you to complete is not very problematic, several
of us have two or three (or more!) projects that they will be able to do
but lack time to complete. So once you get the basics right, and you
have built OpenOffice successfully, ask back for ideas (of course ask
for help if you need help with the build!). This is better than the
other way round: we won't have mentors available for any ideas you might
have; it is easier for you to ask what unfinished projects
people are available to mentor.

> Also, is there a good GUI client for SVN? My beloved Source Tree
> seems  to have issues with svn.

I've always used the command-line one. If you are more familiar with
git, just use the git mirror (or git-svn).

Regards,
   Andrea.

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Re: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer

[Kay Schenk]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Patricia Shanahan  wrote:

> I am a very experienced programmer and computer architect, now retired. My
> current strongest language is Java, but I have programmed in many languages
> and can learn them as needed. My last professional C++ work was in the
> 1980's.
>
> Although I am Chair of the Apache River PMC, the types of work it
> currently needs, other than the facilitation and reporting I do as Chair,
> are outside my areas of expertise. I have time to do some programming
> elsewhere.
>
> I have been an OpenOffice user - I started using StarOffice at Sun around
> 2000 - but more recently I've switched to LibreOffice because of lack of
> OpenOffice releases. I am now downloading OpenOffice 4.1.2.
>
> I have become aware that OpenOffice needs more developers. Despite the
> rustiness of my C++, I hope I can help. If so, how should I get started?
>
>
​You have wonderful experience, Patricia! ​Thank you for your interest.
Stay tuned. We'll be discussing plans and tasks  for the future very soon.
Meanwhile, we could certainly use some "architect" eyes on our code. Please
weigh in as you see fit.

-- 
--
MzK

“The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.”
  --Lao Tzu

Is AOO 4.1.2 notably faster?

[Pedro Giffuni]

Just wondering …

Are people noticing a faster startup in AOO 4.1.2? In the BSDs we generally
prefer to use calloc over malloc + memset when it makes sense. A relatively
small change that I did, and was safe enough to be merged to the release,
might have had an effect there.

It’s too easy to be biased when you make such changes so it would be
interesting to get confirmation ;).

Pedro.
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Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer

[Patricia Shanahan]

I am a very experienced programmer and computer architect, now retired. 
My current strongest language is Java, but I have programmed in many 
languages and can learn them as needed. My last professional C++ work 
was in the 1980's.


Although I am Chair of the Apache River PMC, the types of work it 
currently needs, other than the facilitation and reporting I do as 
Chair, are outside my areas of expertise. I have time to do some 
programming elsewhere.


I have been an OpenOffice user - I started using StarOffice at Sun 
around 2000 - but more recently I've switched to LibreOffice because of 
lack of OpenOffice releases. I am now downloading OpenOffice 4.1.2.


I have become aware that OpenOffice needs more developers. Despite the 
rustiness of my C++, I hope I can help. If so, how should I get started?


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RE: Pending release tasks

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

I haven't seen anything via announce@ oo.a.o, which I will be using later too.  

It looks like we need some diversification of moderation.

Do we need Infra JIRA issues to add more admins?

 - Dennis



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> From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 13:46
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Pending release tasks
> 
> On 28/10/2015 20:00, Marcus wrote:
> > http://www.openoffice.org/download/
> > This is now serving AOO 4.1.2 as default download.
> 
> Great, we released exactly at 20:00 as planned then!
> 
> Announcement is now posted to the blog at
> http://s.apache.org/announcing-openoffice-412
> and sent to users, annou...@openoffice.apache.org and
> annou...@apache.org (the latter two are moderated, so it might not show
> up immediately).
> 
> I'll spare you an extra mail. You can find the announcement text at
> 
> http://s.apache.org/dDl
> 
> Rory already posted the message to the Forum too.
> 
> The main site home page
> http://www.openoffice.org/
> has also been updated to link to recent blog posts.
> 
> I think this is it for today. There will be other minor edits throughout
> the site and CWiki.
> 
> > I'll now go and update the localized dowload websites.
> 
> Perfect, and then we will coordinate with the l10n list for other
> updates.
> 
> Regards,
>Andrea.
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Re: Pending release tasks

[Marcus]

Am 10/28/2015 11:12 PM, schrieb Marcus:

Am 10/28/2015 09:46 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

On 28/10/2015 20:00, Marcus wrote:

http://www.openoffice.org/download/
This is now serving AOO 4.1.2 as default download.


Great, we released exactly at 20:00 as planned then!

Announcement is now posted to the blog at
http://s.apache.org/announcing-openoffice-412
and sent to users, annou...@openoffice.apache.org and
annou...@apache.org (the latter two are moderated, so it might not show
up immediately).

I'll spare you an extra mail. You can find the announcement text at

http://s.apache.org/dDl

Rory already posted the message to the Forum too.

The main site home page
http://www.openoffice.org/
has also been updated to link to recent blog posts.

I think this is it for today. There will be other minor edits throughout
the site and CWiki.


I'll now go and update the localized dowload websites.


Perfect, and then we will coordinate with the l10n list for other
updates.


I've committed all changes but the CMS staging build is hanging in the
middle - that means some languages are finished but some not yet. I've
asked Infra (Jan) for help. Let's see.


Gavin will have a look for the problem. We will go on tomorrow.

Marcus


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Re: Pending release tasks

[Andrea Pescetti]

John D'Orazio wrote:

That last URL does announce 4.1.2 but the url itself points to
https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/announcing_apache_openoffice_4_11 ...


Well, the URL is a URL. It is automatically generated by our 
not-so-modern blogging platform, the _11 at the end is a mere 
coincidence. But I recommend, for clarity, to always use the short URL:

http://s.apache.org/announcing-openoffice-412
since at least that one can be chosen so that it is descriptive.

Regards,
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Re: Pending release tasks

[Marcus]

Am 10/28/2015 11:14 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

Marcus wrote:

IMHO we should stop to promote this old "other.html" webpage and also
delete it from the blog post.


Done. I still see it useful to have a list of languages in table format,


OK, ACK. Do you think a ordered list of languages and platforms can 
provide the same overview?



but if this simplifies the site management I won't oppose for sure!


I've done no extra work for "other.html" but if something in the future 
will change and the webpage is incomplete or broken, I won't fix it anymore.



Updated post (same URL): http://s.apache.org/announcing-openoffice-412


Thanks

Marcus


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Re: Pending release tasks

[John D'Orazio]

That last URL does announce 4.1.2 but the url itself points to
https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/announcing_apache_openoffice_4_11 ...

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:14 PM, Andrea Pescetti 
wrote:

> Marcus wrote:
>
>> IMHO we should stop to promote this old "other.html" webpage and also
>> delete it from the blog post.
>>
>
> Done. I still see it useful to have a list of languages in table format,
> but if this simplifies the site management I won't oppose for sure!
>
> Updated post (same URL): http://s.apache.org/announcing-openoffice-412
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>
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Re: Pending release tasks

[Andrea Pescetti]

Marcus wrote:

IMHO we should stop to promote this old "other.html" webpage and also
delete it from the blog post.


Done. I still see it useful to have a list of languages in table format, 
but if this simplifies the site management I won't oppose for sure!


Updated post (same URL): http://s.apache.org/announcing-openoffice-412

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Re: Pending release tasks

[Marcus]

Am 10/28/2015 09:46 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

On 28/10/2015 20:00, Marcus wrote:

http://www.openoffice.org/download/
This is now serving AOO 4.1.2 as default download.


Great, we released exactly at 20:00 as planned then!

Announcement is now posted to the blog at
http://s.apache.org/announcing-openoffice-412
and sent to users, annou...@openoffice.apache.org and
annou...@apache.org (the latter two are moderated, so it might not show
up immediately).

I'll spare you an extra mail. You can find the announcement text at

http://s.apache.org/dDl

Rory already posted the message to the Forum too.

The main site home page
http://www.openoffice.org/
has also been updated to link to recent blog posts.

I think this is it for today. There will be other minor edits throughout
the site and CWiki.


I'll now go and update the localized dowload websites.


Perfect, and then we will coordinate with the l10n list for other updates.


I've committed all changes but the CMS staging build is hanging in the 
middle - that means some languages are finished but some not yet. I've 
asked Infra (Jan) for help. Let's see.


Marcus


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Re: Pending release tasks

[Marcus]

Am 10/28/2015 01:04 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

A very basic announcement is now available at

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.2+Announcement

For a complete list of available languages and language packs see:
http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html


first of all sorry that I'm late with this:

Do you see a value add for the users to go to this webpage and search 
for their favorite row/column combination? All platforms and languages 
and therefore also the overview can be seen in the drop-down-boxes of 
the main download webpage - plus all versions, the related release notes 
and the checksum files.


All without a need to scroll. ;-)

IMHO we should stop to promote this old "other.html" webpage and also 
delete it from the blog post. And on the long-run delete the complete 
webpage.


Marcus


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Re: Pending release tasks

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 28/10/2015 20:00, Marcus wrote:

http://www.openoffice.org/download/
This is now serving AOO 4.1.2 as default download.


Great, we released exactly at 20:00 as planned then!

Announcement is now posted to the blog at
http://s.apache.org/announcing-openoffice-412
and sent to users, annou...@openoffice.apache.org and 
annou...@apache.org (the latter two are moderated, so it might not show 
up immediately).


I'll spare you an extra mail. You can find the announcement text at

http://s.apache.org/dDl

Rory already posted the message to the Forum too.

The main site home page
http://www.openoffice.org/
has also been updated to link to recent blog posts.

I think this is it for today. There will be other minor edits throughout 
the site and CWiki.



I'll now go and update the localized dowload websites.


Perfect, and then we will coordinate with the l10n list for other updates.

Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Pending release tasks

[Marcus]

Am 10/28/2015 07:46 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

On 27/10/2015 Andrea Pescetti wrote:

OK, 20:00 CET will work too. So we aim at releasing Wednesday 20:00
CET, or
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20151028T20&p1=37



Here's a status update. The following resources have been updated (not
by me! there are at least 10 people involved, I'm merely gathering
information) in the last 24 hours:

https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/openoffice/4.1.2/source/
(source repository)

https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.1.2/binaries/
(binaries repository, now "unstaged" on SourceForge)


http://www.openoffice.org/download/

This is now serving AOO 4.1.2 as default download. I've done a quick 
test with Linux 64-bit German and OS X English(US). All gave me an AOO 
4.1.2 file.


I'll now go and update the localized dowload websites.


http://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html
http://openoffice.apache.org/
http://openoffice.apache.org/doap_openoffice.rdf
(source downloads, official project records)

http://www.openoffice.org/security/bulletin.html
(updated security information)

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.2+Release+Notes

(Release Notes available in 6 languages)

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.2+Announcement
(Release Announcement: a copy is ready on the blog, a shorter text-only
version at the same page is ready to be sent by mail; of course, this
will be done AFTER the site is updated)

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Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

[Simon Phipps]

+1.  While it is not specifically related to the release, it is a gesture
that builds community empathy and this is the first opportunity to make the
gesture.

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 10:52 PM, Andrea Pescetti 
wrote:

> I was wondering whether we should remember Ian Lynch at the end of the
> 4.1.2 Release announcement, with a sentence like
>
> "The OpenOffice community dedicates version 4.1.2 to the memory of Ian
> Lynch, a member of the OpenOffice Project Management Committee and a key
> contributor to marketing and education efforts, who passed away earlier
> this year" [of course please adjust and fix in case]
>
> I have no idea on whether this is appropriate or not. I'm rather neutral
> on the issue. Feedback welcome. Our memorial for Ian is at
> http://www.apache.org/memorials/ian_lynch.html
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

[Marcus]

Am 10/28/2015 01:27 PM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:

On 28/10/15 09:41, JZA wrote:

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:00 AM, Jürgen Schmidt
wrote:


On 27/10/15 23:52, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

I was wondering whether we should remember Ian Lynch at the end of the
4.1.2 Release announcement, with a sentence like

"The OpenOffice community dedicates version 4.1.2 to the memory of Ian
Lynch, a member of the OpenOffice Project Management Committee and a key
contributor to marketing and education efforts, who passed away earlier
this year" [of course please adjust and fix in case]

I have no idea on whether this is appropriate or not. I'm rather neutral
on the issue. Feedback welcome. Our memorial for Ian is at
http://www.apache.org/memorials/ian_lynch.html




my personal opinion is that we should keep the release announcement
focused on the product. People behind and/or involved the project can be
addressed in a separate blog where we can also remember project members
who passed away.

People leave the project or became less active (including me) and new
people started to become more active and do more and more. I suggest to
focus on the new fresh blood that can make the difference in the future.

Juergen


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​I disagree with that view. To focus on the product, well we already have
companies for that. We are not a company, we are a community. And we dont
have 'products' we have 'projects'. The difference? well to start a project
is something that people can participate, not only purchase. So people
participation is key to the project. People are key to the project.

FLOSS communities like KDE, Gnome, etc, have struggled but also succeed in
adressing the people behind it. This is just a great idea to do exactly
that in our community.

Also the last line doesn't really make sense, how can we 'focus on the new
fresh blood' exactly? You mean dedicating the release after some n00b who
just got in the project, or writing a blog post about them... How can we
focus on fresh blood if they havent done anything yet, what would we write
about exactly?



I think you misunderstand me, I simply mean that we should keep it
separately. An announcement for a new release is about the release and
nothing else.

It can be possible to write about the people who are currently mainly
driving the project and remember people like Ian who passed away. But
again I would do this separately from a release announcement.

People like Damjan for example who really does a good job should be or
can be interviewed to learn about the motivation and work areas he
focusing currently.


+1 I see it like Juergen. O course we should and must mentioned such 
topics. But it has nothing to do with a specific release.


Marcus


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Re: Pending release tasks

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 27/10/2015 Andrea Pescetti wrote:

OK, 20:00 CET will work too. So we aim at releasing Wednesday 20:00 CET, or
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20151028T20&p1=37


Here's a status update. The following resources have been updated (not 
by me! there are at least 10 people involved, I'm merely gathering 
information) in the last 24 hours:


https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/openoffice/4.1.2/source/
(source repository)

https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.1.2/binaries/
(binaries repository, now "unstaged" on SourceForge)

http://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html
http://openoffice.apache.org/
http://openoffice.apache.org/doap_openoffice.rdf
(source downloads, official project records)

http://www.openoffice.org/security/bulletin.html
(updated security information)

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.2+Release+Notes
(Release Notes available in 6 languages)

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.2+Announcement
(Release Announcement: a copy is ready on the blog, a shorter text-only 
version at the same page is ready to be sent by mail; of course, this 
will be done AFTER the site is updated)


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Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

[Ian Lynch]

Dear Andrea,

I am Ian's wife Rosemary, I monitor his emails regularly so I have just
seen your message.
It is nice for me to know that people remember Ian and appreciate the
contribution he made over the many years he was committed to the OpenOffice
Project. It is only through individuals from around the world each making
their own small contribution to the community that makes it all work.

Rosemary Lynch

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On 27 October 2015 at 22:52, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> I was wondering whether we should remember Ian Lynch at the end of the
> 4.1.2 Release announcement, with a sentence like
>
> "The OpenOffice community dedicates version 4.1.2 to the memory of Ian
> Lynch, a member of the OpenOffice Project Management Committee and a key
> contributor to marketing and education efforts, who passed away earlier
> this year" [of course please adjust and fix in case]
>
> I have no idea on whether this is appropriate or not. I'm rather neutral
> on the issue. Feedback welcome. Our memorial for Ian is at
> http://www.apache.org/memorials/ian_lynch.html
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 27/10/2015 Andrea Pescetti wrote:

I was wondering whether we should remember Ian Lynch at the end of the
4.1.2 Release announcement ...
I have no idea on whether this is appropriate or not. I'm rather neutral
on the issue. Feedback welcome.


Seeing all feedback so far, I think the best solution is to include this 
only in the blog version of the announcement (in the blog we are usually 
more informal), not in the (shorter and more to-the-point) e-mails we 
will send to the lists.


And yes, of course, unrelated to this, we have many good/new topics to 
write about... It's time that someone else than Rob and me starts 
writing a few articles about development for the blog, it is more useful 
than one would expect.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 28/10/15 09:41, JZA wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:00 AM, Jürgen Schmidt 
> wrote:
> 
>> On 27/10/15 23:52, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>>> I was wondering whether we should remember Ian Lynch at the end of the
>>> 4.1.2 Release announcement, with a sentence like
>>>
>>> "The OpenOffice community dedicates version 4.1.2 to the memory of Ian
>>> Lynch, a member of the OpenOffice Project Management Committee and a key
>>> contributor to marketing and education efforts, who passed away earlier
>>> this year" [of course please adjust and fix in case]
>>>
>>> I have no idea on whether this is appropriate or not. I'm rather neutral
>>> on the issue. Feedback welcome. Our memorial for Ian is at
>>> http://www.apache.org/memorials/ian_lynch.html
>>>
>>
>>
>> my personal opinion is that we should keep the release announcement
>> focused on the product. People behind and/or involved the project can be
>> addressed in a separate blog where we can also remember project members
>> who passed away.
>>
>> People leave the project or became less active (including me) and new
>> people started to become more active and do more and more. I suggest to
>> focus on the new fresh blood that can make the difference in the future.
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>>
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> ​I disagree with that view. To focus on the product, well we already have
> companies for that. We are not a company, we are a community. And we dont
> have 'products' we have 'projects'. The difference? well to start a project
> is something that people can participate, not only purchase. So people
> participation is key to the project. People are key to the project.
> 
> FLOSS communities like KDE, Gnome, etc, have struggled but also succeed in
> adressing the people behind it. This is just a great idea to do exactly
> that in our community.
> 
> Also the last line doesn't really make sense, how can we 'focus on the new
> fresh blood' exactly? You mean dedicating the release after some n00b who
> just got in the project, or writing a blog post about them... How can we
> focus on fresh blood if they havent done anything yet, what would we write
> about exactly?
> 

I think you misunderstand me, I simply mean that we should keep it
separately. An announcement for a new release is about the release and
nothing else.

It can be possible to write about the people who are currently mainly
driving the project and remember people like Ian who passed away. But
again I would do this separately from a release announcement.

People like Damjan for example who really does a good job should be or
can be interviewed to learn about the motivation and work areas he
focusing currently.

Juergen









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University student looking for experience in contributing to Open Office.

[#PATHANGI JANARDHANAN JATINSHRAVAN#]

Hi,
As I have said previously, I am a 3rd year university student. I have more than 
2 years experience with Java, C and Python and brief experience with C++ 
(although I believe I can pick up fairly easily). I also have very good 
knowledge of git and agile methodology and have done an internship at PayPal as 
a software engineer intern, where I used these technologies extensively.  I 
need to contribute to an open source project of my choice for the next semester 
(ending in May 2016) and I would like to start now itself, to get familiar 
quickly. I picked Open Office since it is something I use daily (almost) and 
would like to contribute to. I am hoping to contribute to the Open Office 
codebase itself with new features, bug fixes, refactoring etc. I can contribute 
around 10-12 hours a week, and maybe more if there is a critical deadline to be 
met.

I have successfully built OpenOffice on Mac OS X 10.10 (Yosemite) with the 
following output at the end of the build process

***

Successful packaging process!

***

copying log file to 
/Users/jatin1/repos/asf/openoffice/main/instsetoo_native/unxmaccx.pro/Apache_OpenOffice_SDK/dmg/install/log/log_AOO420_en-US.log

stopping log at Tue Oct 27 22:32:31 2015


Multiprocessing build is finished

Maximal number of processes run: 2




As for my development environment, I will be using CLion (by JetBrains) as my 
IDE, which comes integrated with SVN support, so I don’t have to muck around on 
the terminal.



The next step I would like to take is, as instructed previously, ask if anyone 
has any open projects that they would not mind mentoring me on. There is ample 
time for me (7-8 months), so time is not a critical issue.

By mentoring, I do not expect hand holding, but just very basic guidance, and I 
can give my shot at it.



Thanks,

Jatin

Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

[donaldupre .]

Well said JZA, yet a mention in the release announcement is appropriate
only if the deceased worked on it directly. That's my 2 cents.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 10:41 AM, JZA  wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:00 AM, Jürgen Schmidt 
> wrote:
>
> > On 27/10/15 23:52, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> > > I was wondering whether we should remember Ian Lynch at the end of the
> > > 4.1.2 Release announcement, with a sentence like
> > >
> > > "The OpenOffice community dedicates version 4.1.2 to the memory of Ian
> > > Lynch, a member of the OpenOffice Project Management Committee and a
> key
> > > contributor to marketing and education efforts, who passed away earlier
> > > this year" [of course please adjust and fix in case]
> > >
> > > I have no idea on whether this is appropriate or not. I'm rather
> neutral
> > > on the issue. Feedback welcome. Our memorial for Ian is at
> > > http://www.apache.org/memorials/ian_lynch.html
> > >
> >
> >
> > my personal opinion is that we should keep the release announcement
> > focused on the product. People behind and/or involved the project can be
> > addressed in a separate blog where we can also remember project members
> > who passed away.
> >
> > People leave the project or became less active (including me) and new
> > people started to become more active and do more and more. I suggest to
> > focus on the new fresh blood that can make the difference in the future.
> >
> > Juergen
> >
> >
> > -
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> >
> >
> ​I disagree with that view. To focus on the product, well we already have
> companies for that. We are not a company, we are a community. And we dont
> have 'products' we have 'projects'. The difference? well to start a project
> is something that people can participate, not only purchase. So people
> participation is key to the project. People are key to the project.
>
> FLOSS communities like KDE, Gnome, etc, have struggled but also succeed in
> adressing the people behind it. This is just a great idea to do exactly
> that in our community.
>
> Also the last line doesn't really make sense, how can we 'focus on the new
> fresh blood' exactly? You mean dedicating the release after some n00b who
> just got in the project, or writing a blog post about them... How can we
> focus on fresh blood if they havent done anything yet, what would we write
> about exactly?
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> 9060 55AB FFD2 2F02 0E1A  3409 599C 14FC 9450 D3CF
>

Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

[FR web forum]

>​I disagree with that view. To focus on the product, well we already have
>companies for that. We are not a company, we are a community. And we dont
>have 'products' we have 'projects'. The difference? well to start a project
>is something that people can participate, not only purchase. So people
>participation is key to the project. People are key to the project.

FYI, the french community has dedicated the 2.0.3 in memory to Frédéric Labbé:
http://archive.wikiwix.com/cache/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffr.openoffice.org%2Fdocs%2Ffrederic.htm

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Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

[RA Stehmann]

On 28.10.2015 09:41, JZA wrote:

> 
> Also the last line doesn't really make sense, how can we 'focus on the new
> fresh blood' exactly? You mean dedicating the release after some n00b who
> just got in the project, or writing a blog post about them... How can we
> focus on fresh blood if they havent done anything yet, what would we write
> about exactly?
> 
Writing blog posts about the people in the community, especially "fresh
blood" seems to be a good idea.

Kind regards
Michael




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Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

[Rory O'Farrell]

I think it is worthy to remember a deceased member of the community and note 
that he made a valued contribution to the project.

-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

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Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

[JZA]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:00 AM, Jürgen Schmidt 
wrote:

> On 27/10/15 23:52, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> > I was wondering whether we should remember Ian Lynch at the end of the
> > 4.1.2 Release announcement, with a sentence like
> >
> > "The OpenOffice community dedicates version 4.1.2 to the memory of Ian
> > Lynch, a member of the OpenOffice Project Management Committee and a key
> > contributor to marketing and education efforts, who passed away earlier
> > this year" [of course please adjust and fix in case]
> >
> > I have no idea on whether this is appropriate or not. I'm rather neutral
> > on the issue. Feedback welcome. Our memorial for Ian is at
> > http://www.apache.org/memorials/ian_lynch.html
> >
>
>
> my personal opinion is that we should keep the release announcement
> focused on the product. People behind and/or involved the project can be
> addressed in a separate blog where we can also remember project members
> who passed away.
>
> People leave the project or became less active (including me) and new
> people started to become more active and do more and more. I suggest to
> focus on the new fresh blood that can make the difference in the future.
>
> Juergen
>
>
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​I disagree with that view. To focus on the product, well we already have
companies for that. We are not a company, we are a community. And we dont
have 'products' we have 'projects'. The difference? well to start a project
is something that people can participate, not only purchase. So people
participation is key to the project. People are key to the project.

FLOSS communities like KDE, Gnome, etc, have struggled but also succeed in
adressing the people behind it. This is just a great idea to do exactly
that in our community.

Also the last line doesn't really make sense, how can we 'focus on the new
fresh blood' exactly? You mean dedicating the release after some n00b who
just got in the project, or writing a blog post about them... How can we
focus on fresh blood if they havent done anything yet, what would we write
about exactly?

-- 
Alexandro Colorado
Apache OpenOffice Contributor
9060 55AB FFD2 2F02 0E1A  3409 599C 14FC 9450 D3CF

Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

[O.Felka]

+1


my personal opinion is that we should keep the release announcement
focused on the product. People behind and/or involved the project can be
addressed in a separate blog where we can also remember project members
who passed away.

People leave the project or became less active (including me) and new
people started to become more active and do more and more. I suggest to
focus on the new fresh blood that can make the difference in the future.

Juergen


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Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 27/10/15 23:52, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> I was wondering whether we should remember Ian Lynch at the end of the
> 4.1.2 Release announcement, with a sentence like
> 
> "The OpenOffice community dedicates version 4.1.2 to the memory of Ian
> Lynch, a member of the OpenOffice Project Management Committee and a key
> contributor to marketing and education efforts, who passed away earlier
> this year" [of course please adjust and fix in case]
> 
> I have no idea on whether this is appropriate or not. I'm rather neutral
> on the issue. Feedback welcome. Our memorial for Ian is at
> http://www.apache.org/memorials/ian_lynch.html
> 


my personal opinion is that we should keep the release announcement
focused on the product. People behind and/or involved the project can be
addressed in a separate blog where we can also remember project members
who passed away.

People leave the project or became less active (including me) and new
people started to become more active and do more and more. I suggest to
focus on the new fresh blood that can make the difference in the future.

Juergen


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