Re: [proposal} Trying to re-generate the Documentation effort

[Dave Fisher]

Hi Keith,

If documentation is being moved to Gitbox/GitHub then we should use a new 
repository. OpenOffice-Docs or something else?

Regards,
Dave

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> On Jan 10, 2021, at 2:12 PM, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> 
> Keith N. McKenna wrote:
 https://www.apache.org/foundation/license-faq.html#GPL
>> I was a bit confused myself when I first read it, but why post it on an
>> ASF FAQ site if it doesn't grant reciprocity?
> 
> Because, if I recall correctly, back at the time the two Foundations worked 
> together in order to achieve compatibility (which of course can only go one 
> way: the GPL puts more restrictions, so it's impossible to use GPL code in 
> Apache releases).
> 
> And by the way, the entire GPL discussion is useless since the wiki contents 
> will never go in a release anyway, as Dave pointed out. So people touting the 
> "compatibility" are misunderstanding or trolling.
> 
> Fact is, unless one has something personal against other open-source 
> licenses, people can perfectly work on documentation that is not under ALv2 
> (or that is under ALv2 only for the new sections) on the wiki. Unlike other 
> Foundations, the ASF is rather liberal, or unopinionated, about other 
> licenses, provided the deliverables are never part of a release; we never 
> included user guides with releases, so I think we are fine and I agree with 
> the "narrow" interpretation of the word "release" as defined in 
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-552
> 
> Regards,
>  Andrea.
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test for OO on big Sur for mac

[Paolo Driussi]

dear all

if you think I can help testing with the issues in opening .docx etc, I will be 
glad to.

I am based in Italy, and I work mainly on text documents at the University of 
Udine, teaching Hungarian and text analysis.

thanks for the great job, folks


Paolo Driussi
(L-LIN19 FIlologia ugrofinnica)

Università degli Studi di Udine
DIUM
Dipartimento di Studi Umanistici e del Patrimonio Culturale
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Re: [PROPOSAL] add an unsubscribe/help footer to recruitment ML

[Peter Kovacs]

On 10.01.21 23:42, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

On 09/01/2021 Carl Marcum wrote:

It seems we get a lot of unsubscribe requests to the recruitment@ ML.
I propose we add a unsubscribe footer to that list like we have with 
dev@ and some others.


+1 and Infra can indeed add it.

But we should also be more proactive and remove people when they ask 
for it on the list: Whimsy https://whimsy.apache.org/ has a handy 
"Helper for mailing list moderators" tool that allows moderators to 
unsubscribe people when our "self-service subscribe, self-service 
unsubscribe" policy doesn't work.


The moderators are Patricia, Andrea and Marcus.


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Re: [PROPOSAL] add an unsubscribe/help footer to recruitment ML

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 09/01/2021 Carl Marcum wrote:

It seems we get a lot of unsubscribe requests to the recruitment@ ML.
I propose we add a unsubscribe footer to that list like we have with 
dev@ and some others.


+1 and Infra can indeed add it.

But we should also be more proactive and remove people when they ask for 
it on the list: Whimsy https://whimsy.apache.org/ has a handy "Helper 
for mailing list moderators" tool that allows moderators to unsubscribe 
people when our "self-service subscribe, self-service unsubscribe" 
policy doesn't work.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: [proposal} Trying to re-generate the Documentation effort

[Andrea Pescetti]

Keith N. McKenna wrote:

https://www.apache.org/foundation/license-faq.html#GPL

I was a bit confused myself when I first read it, but why post it on an
ASF FAQ site if it doesn't grant reciprocity?


Because, if I recall correctly, back at the time the two Foundations 
worked together in order to achieve compatibility (which of course can 
only go one way: the GPL puts more restrictions, so it's impossible to 
use GPL code in Apache releases).


And by the way, the entire GPL discussion is useless since the wiki 
contents will never go in a release anyway, as Dave pointed out. So 
people touting the "compatibility" are misunderstanding or trolling.


Fact is, unless one has something personal against other open-source 
licenses, people can perfectly work on documentation that is not under 
ALv2 (or that is under ALv2 only for the new sections) on the wiki. 
Unlike other Foundations, the ASF is rather liberal, or unopinionated, 
about other licenses, provided the deliverables are never part of a 
release; we never included user guides with releases, so I think we are 
fine and I agree with the "narrow" interpretation of the word "release" 
as defined in https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-552


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: AOO 4.1.9 Info

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 05/01/2021 Arrigo Marchiori wrote:

I tried to ask if there is a procedure to follow for testing [1].
Do we have any? I can follow it for the Italian builds.


Things are very different depending on whether one is testing a dev 
build or a release candidate.


A list of manual tests close to the "checklist" you were looking for can 
be found here (and these apply to all builds):


https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/TestCases/#AOO_3.4_General_Testing_Test_Cases

and, still on the wiki, there is also a more complete dump of the former 
Testlink cases that I cannot find right now.


A RC (Release Candidate), instead, is very different. We ship both the 
source code and convenience binaries, but the Apache release process 
focuses mostly on legal checks to be done on the source code.


Details about voting on a RC:
http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html

An example of OpenOffice RC testing (this is what I usually do; but 
other people run different tests):

https://s.apache.org/openoffice-416-tests

Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Download and Home pages - where is the focus indicator?

[Dave Fisher]

The css design for these pages differ.

The download page source is html and JavaScript while the product pages are 
markdown.

If you use the developer tools in Chrome then I’d be happy to review a PR on a 
css file in OpenOffice-org.

Regards,
Dave

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> On Jan 10, 2021, at 11:16 AM, Czesław Wolański  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> When navigating the download page http://www.openoffice.org/download
> with the Tab / Shift-Tab key, the focus indicator (outline) is not present.
> The same happens on the home page http://www.openoffice.org/
> 
> On other AOO pages e.g. "Product" http://www.openoffice.org/product
> any element with focus becomes an outline.
> 
> What is the reason for that difference? Functional/technical/aesthetical?
> (I am using Google Chrome).
> 
> Regards
> Czesław


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Download and Home pages - where is the focus indicator?

[Czesław Wolański]

Hi all,

When navigating the download page http://www.openoffice.org/download
with the Tab / Shift-Tab key, the focus indicator (outline) is not present.
The same happens on the home page http://www.openoffice.org/

On other AOO pages e.g. "Product" http://www.openoffice.org/product
any element with focus becomes an outline.

What is the reason for that difference? Functional/technical/aesthetical?
(I am using Google Chrome).

Regards
Czesław

RE: [REVIEW] How to display the platform hint text for Windows, Linux and macOS?

[Jörg Schmidt]

> -Original Message-
> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] 
> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 7:48 PM
> To: dev@
> Subject: [REVIEW] How to display the platform hint text for 
> Windows, Linux and macOS?
> 
> As discussed, I've tried to move the platform hint text from the side 
> into a separate button below the both download buttons:
> 
> https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/download/index.html
> 
> The color for border and text is different to the download 
> buttons. For 
> the sure the combination is not perfect, but just to show that a 
> difference makes sense.

+1

I think this will catch the eyes and help some users.



Jörg


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[REVIEW] How to display the platform hint text for Windows, Linux and macOS?

[Marcus]

As discussed, I've tried to move the platform hint text from the side 
into a separate button below the both download buttons:


https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/download/index.html

The color for border and text is different to the download buttons. For 
the sure the combination is not perfect, but just to show that a 
difference makes sense.


PS:
At the moment the text is missing for macOS. But this is discussed in a 
different mail thread.


Thanks for your feedback.

Marcus


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[GitHub] [openoffice] cbmarcum commented on pull request #115: Flaky tests

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cbmarcum commented on pull request #115:
URL: https://github.com/apache/openoffice/pull/115#issuecomment-757522715


   The reason was technical.  My belief is the tests were passing and failing 
randomly either from threading issues or processor speeds that didn't exist 
when they were created.  When the tests would fail the error was the calculated 
values in formulas or grabbing from the clipboard was returning to slow to make 
it in time for the evaluation in the assertion.  By splitting them out I was 
able to add a sleep in thread before the assertion and this seemed to improve 
the reliability of the tests.



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[DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS

[Marcus]

https://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html

We have now a hint text for Linux "RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?" and 
Windows "32-bit, 64-bit and Java - What to choose?".


(Yes, not that beautiful. But this is work in progress and a topic in a 
different thread. :-) )


Now it's the question what do we want to tell our Mac users when they 
want to download their favorit AOO version.


We need a nice title and more details in mouse-over text.

Thanks

Marcus


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Re: OS2 code

[Marcus]

Steve, when you think that the text on [1] leads to the impression that 
AOO for OS/2 is dead maybe something with the wording is wrong.


So, please let us rethink to update the webpage to eleminate this 
impression.


[1] https://www.openoffice.org/porting/index.html

Thanks

Marcus



Am 10.01.21 um 01:25 schrieb Steve Lubbs:

Thanks for correcting me. :-[

On 1/9/21 3:43 PM, Matthias Seidel wrote:

Where did you get the idea from? ;-)

AOO 4.1.8 is released for OS/2 and OS/2 based systems:

https://www.bitwiseworks.com/products/ports.php#AOO

I am running it in a VM on ArcaOS 5.

https://www.arcanoae.com/

Am 09.01.21 um 23:40 schrieb Steve Lubbs:

According to this page, https://www.openoffice.org/porting/index.html,
OS2 is no longer supported. Isn't it time we remove the OS2-specific
code from the code base? BTW, OS2 was my favorite OS back in the day.



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Re: [PROPOSAL] add an unsubscribe/help footer to recruitment ML

[Marcus]

Am 09.01.21 um 01:43 schrieb Carl Marcum:

It seems we get a lot of unsubscribe requests to the recruitment@ ML.

I propose we add a unsubscribe footer to that list like we have with 
dev@ and some others.


Sorry this is a proposal without a known solution (on my part) but I 
suspect a ticket to infra may be involved which I could create.


I'm pretty sure only Infra can help as I think it's handled in the 
mailing list software.


Lazy Consensus in in effect for this and if there are no objections I'll 
figure out how to implement it in 72 hours.


I thought it cannot be true that there is no respective footer in 
recruitment@ mails. But it's treue: no footer :-O


So +100 for adding this.

Marcus



BTW:

This is used here at dev@:


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[ANNOUNCE] Release of Apache OpenOffice 4.1.9 RC1

[Jim Jagielski]

The Apache OpenOffice PMC is happy to announce the immediate availability
for testing and review of the 1st Release Candidate for Apache OpenOffice
4.1.9.

Pre-built community convenience binaries can be found at:

   https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.9-RC1/binaries/

With source tarballs available at:

   https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.9-RC1/source/

As noted, this is NOT the Official AOO 4.1.9 release, but these are
the artifacts that will be proposed and voted on as AOO 4.1.9 GA
upon successful testing.

NOTE: The macOS images are not App Store signed; they will be signed if/when
 approved as GA.

We encourage the AOO community to download and test AOO 4.1.9-RC1 and
provide feedback to the project. Upon successful testing and feedback,
a vote will be held to release as GA.

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[GitHub] [openoffice] leginee commented on pull request #115: Flaky tests

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leginee commented on pull request #115:
URL: https://github.com/apache/openoffice/pull/115#issuecomment-757465959


   I checked through the code and for me it is fine. I have a question thought.
   The assert call had always a parameter as a implicit nested Function. and 
you broke that up, by declaring a variable first and then hand it to the assert 
function. Did you do this for style reasons or was there a deeper technical 
thought behind it?
   Also note that the sleep comes always directly in front of the assert, so 
there is a change. That is why I wonder a bit.
   I like the structure, because it is cleaner now.



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Re: OpenOffice for Mac OS Big Sur 11.1

[Peter Kovacs]

Hi Jon,
On 10.01.21 03:51, john.yohe wrote:

Gentlemen,

Thank you for all your replies.

I'd be interested in helping with OpenOffice, but I'm also now using 
LibreOffice, which I'm liking a lot: It's a lot smoother with using and 
converting Word/docx files.

That is fine. No Problem.

I don't understand though: Are OpenOffice and LibreOffice run and written by 
you all? The same people?


Both share the same code base and once upon the time both communities 
has been one. But since then a lot of time has past. We can still trade 
code, but in general both communities talk only very little with each other.


The common ground shrinks every day.


  Or is there some politics involved?

Sometimes.

Anyways, what is the deal between OpenOffice and LibreOffice?


IMHO the safest way to put it is: Its Family. :)

The parents (Sun, OpenOffice.Org) has passed away, heritage has been 
fought over and split, and in the process a lot of dishes has been broken.


At this point I would say there are a lot of emotions still going within 
the family, however it has become quieter. But the relationship is still 
not the best. I hope we will find a way to improve the family structures 
and that it becomes easier to talk to each other.


Therefore for me LO is a sister project, and we are the sister project 
to them.


There is btw more the LO and AOO. There is the ProOO-Box, a German 
"distribution" of AOO. And there is AndroOffice, a Closed Source Android 
version of AOO. Collabora Office an Online Version of LibreOffice. And 
Maybe more that I am not aware of.


All are those are (Project) Family to me. And all are brother/sisters 
(Project do not have a sex, so pick one you can identify yourself with. 
I can not explain to you why I go with sister, for me it feels right. I 
am also open for suggestions how to call a very close relative)


However there is no consent broad view on this topic.


All the best

Peter

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Re: OpenOffice for Mac OS Big Sur 11.1

[john.yohe]

Gentlemen,

Thank you for all your replies.

I'd be interested in helping with OpenOffice, but I'm also now using 
LibreOffice, which I'm liking a lot: It's a lot smoother with using and 
converting Word/docx files.

I've used OpenOffice for years, in parallel with Word, but I'm finally fed up 
with Word.

I don't understand though: Are OpenOffice and LibreOffice run and written by 
you all? The same people? Or is there some politics involved?

I'd like to help. I love the idea of an open source program/app. One of the IT 
guys at the school where I now teach said they were talking about switching to 
OpenOffice instead of using Microsoft: the big reason they didn't: many of the 
science classes still need Microsoft Excel. If you can get something equal to 
Excel, that would be a HUGE sell.

I myself am a writer and just need word processing.

Anyways, what is the deal between OpenOffice and LibreOffice?

Cheers,

John Yohe
www.johnyohe.com


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On Saturday, January 9, 2021 3:03 AM, Peter Kovacs  wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> As Biduille said, we are in the Process to Release 4.1.9.
>
> Currently we are in the Process to create a release Candidate.
>
> These Release Candidates are not realy something you should use as a
> regular installations, but for testing if this Version works.
>
> We need the feedback from testers to evaluate if something has been
> broken, which is not known yet.
>
> That is why we have asked People to query first. Are you nwilling to
> test and give feedback on what yoiu have looked at or used and so on?
>
> Thanks a lot for taking interest. We really need people checking releases.
>
> All the Best
>
> Peter
>
> On 08.01.21 23:19, john.yohe wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> > I'm interested in trying the newer version of OpenOffice which would allow 
> > me to (maybe) open Word docs with OpenOffice? Was told in the Forums to 
> > write to you.
> > Thank you,
> > John Yohe
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