Re: [discussion] use of https://downloads.apache.org/ as a download page
Small addition. I discussed volumes with Infra. 50k average downloads per day, with 140k peak (aktually I said 300k peak, and 400mb) and the response is it is fine. The traffic seems to play only a role when we talk about the mirrors. So next to be clear a full switch is not part of the discussion now. Just the move away from discouraging users, to use the site. For a complete move we should look at mirrors and the template extention service, too. And solve both topics first. All the best Peter Am 2. Mai 2021 20:05:15 MESZ schrieb Marcus : >Am 02.05.21 um 17:01 schrieb Dave Fisher: >> I had a follow up conversation with Infra. >> >> We are discussing just using downloads.a.o without mirrors. We should >just get a sense of the size by switching over either random requests >or choosing a particular language. >> >> So, let’s say we change the de download page to use downloads.a.o! If >all goes well, we switch over the others a few at a time. >> >> Keep in mind downloads only has current versions with older ones on >archives.a.o > >we need a complete re-work of a.o.o/downloads when we want to seriously > >use this website for any downloads. Offering every file with an own >link >is (hopefully !) not what we want. ;-) > >Of course here a step-by-step progress is needed. But at the end the >ASF >dist system has to be strong enough for our download numbers (I've >attached them to the issue). When some non-ASF mirror server can >support >with the load even better. > >Let's see what Infra will say. > >Marcus > > > >>> On May 2, 2021, at 6:05 AM, Peter Kovacs wrote: >>> >>> So is this Mirror system Issue a blocker? >>> >>> Infra expects us to say how much TB we will need per year as >Download traffic. >>> >>> Is anyone able to answer this question? I mean by saying a number. >>> >>> If so please add it to the ticket. So the ticket can go to Infra and >they worry about the Mirror system distribution. It is not our job to >do this. >>> >>> On 02.05.21 14:23, Matthias Seidel wrote: Hi Dave, >https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-21497?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=17309317#comment-17309317 That is why I wrote "encourage again". ;-) Regards, Matthias > Am 02.05.21 um 14:18 schrieb DaveB: > Hi Matthias, > > That would be nice, except very few (if any) of the ASF mirrors > (https://www.apache.org/mirrors/) mirror AOO. Maybe that is >something we > can work with Intra to fix. > > Regards > Dave > > On 02/05/2021 12:22, Matthias Seidel wrote: >> Hi Peter, >> >> I would rather encourage to use the ASF mirror system again as an >> addition to our SourceForge downloads. >> >> Regards, >> >> Matthias >> >> Am 02.05.21 um 12:38 schrieb Peter Kovacs: >>> Hello all, >>> >>> >>> In the past we have discouraged the use of >>> https://downloads.apache.org/ because of Infra. >>> >>> I had a discussion with Humbedooh if this is still the case. And >the >>> discussion outcome is, hat they only need a view days to adjust >in >>> order to be able to secure the service. >>> >>> It may be that on peak times the download speed drops, but >traffic or >>> the amount of downloads is not a topic. >>> >>> A topic will be to obtain statistics. I have not discussed this >yet. >>> But the data is not publicly available, and I so far obtained >only a >>> list from last week, because I figured that some are already >promoting >>> the link. >>> >>> (With about 6k of download on friday, 4k on thursday, and 500 on >>> wednseday. (thursday I figured that some sites announced 4.1.10. >(They >>> even link the draft release notes :P ) >>> >>> >>> So what do you think? Should we promote the alternate link with >this >>> release more publicly maybe on Forums and go for a transition to >a >>> different download policy? > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [discussion] use of https://downloads.apache.org/ as a download page
Am 02.05.21 um 17:01 schrieb Dave Fisher: I had a follow up conversation with Infra. We are discussing just using downloads.a.o without mirrors. We should just get a sense of the size by switching over either random requests or choosing a particular language. So, let’s say we change the de download page to use downloads.a.o! If all goes well, we switch over the others a few at a time. Keep in mind downloads only has current versions with older ones on archives.a.o we need a complete re-work of a.o.o/downloads when we want to seriously use this website for any downloads. Offering every file with an own link is (hopefully !) not what we want. ;-) Of course here a step-by-step progress is needed. But at the end the ASF dist system has to be strong enough for our download numbers (I've attached them to the issue). When some non-ASF mirror server can support with the load even better. Let's see what Infra will say. Marcus On May 2, 2021, at 6:05 AM, Peter Kovacs wrote: So is this Mirror system Issue a blocker? Infra expects us to say how much TB we will need per year as Download traffic. Is anyone able to answer this question? I mean by saying a number. If so please add it to the ticket. So the ticket can go to Infra and they worry about the Mirror system distribution. It is not our job to do this. On 02.05.21 14:23, Matthias Seidel wrote: Hi Dave, https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-21497?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=17309317#comment-17309317 That is why I wrote "encourage again". ;-) Regards, Matthias Am 02.05.21 um 14:18 schrieb DaveB: Hi Matthias, That would be nice, except very few (if any) of the ASF mirrors (https://www.apache.org/mirrors/) mirror AOO. Maybe that is something we can work with Intra to fix. Regards Dave On 02/05/2021 12:22, Matthias Seidel wrote: Hi Peter, I would rather encourage to use the ASF mirror system again as an addition to our SourceForge downloads. Regards, Matthias Am 02.05.21 um 12:38 schrieb Peter Kovacs: Hello all, In the past we have discouraged the use of https://downloads.apache.org/ because of Infra. I had a discussion with Humbedooh if this is still the case. And the discussion outcome is, hat they only need a view days to adjust in order to be able to secure the service. It may be that on peak times the download speed drops, but traffic or the amount of downloads is not a topic. A topic will be to obtain statistics. I have not discussed this yet. But the data is not publicly available, and I so far obtained only a list from last week, because I figured that some are already promoting the link. (With about 6k of download on friday, 4k on thursday, and 500 on wednseday. (thursday I figured that some sites announced 4.1.10. (They even link the draft release notes :P ) So what do you think? Should we promote the alternate link with this release more publicly maybe on Forums and go for a transition to a different download policy? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Issue 128450] add junit tests to verify warning dialog for certain hyperlinks
Hi Matthias, On 5/2/21 11:43 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote: Hi Carl, I think if you change the Assignee, we will not be able to follow the issue via issues@ mailing list anymore... I just made a test comment and it went to issues@ so I think it's all good. Carl @Marcus: Can you confirm? Regards, Matthias Am 02.05.21 um 17:40 schrieb bugzi...@apache.org: https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128450 Carl Marcum changed: What|Removed |Added Assignee|iss...@openoffice.apache.or |cmar...@apache.org |g | Developer|--- |Medium Difficulty|| Issue Type|DEFECT |TASK - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Issue 128450] add junit tests to verify warning dialog for certain hyperlinks
Hi Carl, I think if you change the Assignee, we will not be able to follow the issue via issues@ mailing list anymore... @Marcus: Can you confirm? Regards, Matthias Am 02.05.21 um 17:40 schrieb bugzi...@apache.org: > https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128450 > > Carl Marcum changed: > >What|Removed |Added > >Assignee|iss...@openoffice.apache.or |cmar...@apache.org >|g | > Developer|--- |Medium > Difficulty|| > Issue Type|DEFECT |TASK > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [discussion] use of https://downloads.apache.org/ as a download page
Hi - I had a follow up conversation with Infra. We are discussing just using downloads.a.o without mirrors. We should just get a sense of the size by switching over either random requests or choosing a particular language. So, let’s say we change the de download page to use downloads.a.o! If all goes well, we switch over the others a few at a time. Keep in mind downloads only has current versions with older ones on archives.a.o All the best, Dave Sent from my iPhone > On May 2, 2021, at 6:05 AM, Peter Kovacs wrote: > > So is this Mirror system Issue a blocker? > > Infra expects us to say how much TB we will need per year as Download traffic. > > Is anyone able to answer this question? I mean by saying a number. > > If so please add it to the ticket. So the ticket can go to Infra and they > worry about the Mirror system distribution. It is not our job to do this. > > >> On 02.05.21 14:23, Matthias Seidel wrote: >> >> Hi Dave, >> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-21497?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=17309317#comment-17309317 >> >> That is why I wrote "encourage again". ;-) >> >> Regards, >> >>Matthias >> >>> Am 02.05.21 um 14:18 schrieb DaveB: >>> Hi Matthias, >>> >>> That would be nice, except very few (if any) of the ASF mirrors >>> (https://www.apache.org/mirrors/) mirror AOO. Maybe that is something we >>> can work with Intra to fix. >>> >>> Regards >>> Dave >>> >>> On 02/05/2021 12:22, Matthias Seidel wrote: Hi Peter, I would rather encourage to use the ASF mirror system again as an addition to our SourceForge downloads. Regards, Matthias Am 02.05.21 um 12:38 schrieb Peter Kovacs: > Hello all, > > > In the past we have discouraged the use of > https://downloads.apache.org/ because of Infra. > > I had a discussion with Humbedooh if this is still the case. And the > discussion outcome is, hat they only need a view days to adjust in > order to be able to secure the service. > > It may be that on peak times the download speed drops, but traffic or > the amount of downloads is not a topic. > > A topic will be to obtain statistics. I have not discussed this yet. > But the data is not publicly available, and I so far obtained only a > list from last week, because I figured that some are already promoting > the link. > > (With about 6k of download on friday, 4k on thursday, and 500 on > wednseday. (thursday I figured that some sites announced 4.1.10. (They > even link the draft release notes :P ) > > > So what do you think? Should we promote the alternate link with this > release more publicly maybe on Forums and go for a transition to a > different download policy? > > > All the Best > > Peter > >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> >>> > -- > This is the Way! http://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [discussion] use of https://downloads.apache.org/ as a download page
So is this Mirror system Issue a blocker? Infra expects us to say how much TB we will need per year as Download traffic. Is anyone able to answer this question? I mean by saying a number. If so please add it to the ticket. So the ticket can go to Infra and they worry about the Mirror system distribution. It is not our job to do this. On 02.05.21 14:23, Matthias Seidel wrote: Hi Dave, https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-21497?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=17309317#comment-17309317 That is why I wrote "encourage again". ;-) Regards, Matthias Am 02.05.21 um 14:18 schrieb DaveB: Hi Matthias, That would be nice, except very few (if any) of the ASF mirrors (https://www.apache.org/mirrors/) mirror AOO. Maybe that is something we can work with Intra to fix. Regards Dave On 02/05/2021 12:22, Matthias Seidel wrote: Hi Peter, I would rather encourage to use the ASF mirror system again as an addition to our SourceForge downloads. Regards, Matthias Am 02.05.21 um 12:38 schrieb Peter Kovacs: Hello all, In the past we have discouraged the use of https://downloads.apache.org/ because of Infra. I had a discussion with Humbedooh if this is still the case. And the discussion outcome is, hat they only need a view days to adjust in order to be able to secure the service. It may be that on peak times the download speed drops, but traffic or the amount of downloads is not a topic. A topic will be to obtain statistics. I have not discussed this yet. But the data is not publicly available, and I so far obtained only a list from last week, because I figured that some are already promoting the link. (With about 6k of download on friday, 4k on thursday, and 500 on wednseday. (thursday I figured that some sites announced 4.1.10. (They even link the draft release notes :P ) So what do you think? Should we promote the alternate link with this release more publicly maybe on Forums and go for a transition to a different download policy? All the Best Peter - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- This is the Way! http://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [discussion] use of https://downloads.apache.org/ as a download page
Hi, I remember the times when I coordinated the uploads to the OpenOffice.org mirror network from my office at Sun in Hamburg. At that time we used bouncer https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Bouncer Links to the Bouncer site of the Oregon State University on the http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/ site don't work anymore... (maybe by using the Archives Wayback Machine) resp. MirrorBrain One of the SuSE/Novell developers (Peter Poeml) was the main contributor of the MirrorBrain code. Some info on the German Wikipedia: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MirrorBrain https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/MirrorBrain http://svn.mirrorbrain.org/svn/mirrorbrain/trunk/ LibreOffice, VideoLan, KDE, Gome, FSF, Sourceforge and OpenSuSE still use mirrorbrain. https://mirrorbrain.org/ which was enhanced by a GeoIP module to route mirror requests to a nearby mirror (background: a person of an African administration called me if it would be possible to reduce requests to far away mirrors because OpenOffice.org downloads resulted into mostly the whole bandwidth of the whole state). Mirrors were located mostly at universities spread worldwide). The team should invite more mirrors to be part of the AOO mirror network. If the downloads.apache.org site is the main distribution site where eg. Sourceforge downloads the files for distribution then it should not be promoted as download site. Kind regards, Joost Am 02.05.2021 um 13:22 schrieb Matthias Seidel: Hi Peter, I would rather encourage to use the ASF mirror system again as an addition to our SourceForge downloads. Regards, Matthias - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [discussion] use of https://downloads.apache.org/ as a download page
Hi Dave, https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-21497?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=17309317#comment-17309317 That is why I wrote "encourage again". ;-) Regards, Matthias Am 02.05.21 um 14:18 schrieb DaveB: > Hi Matthias, > > That would be nice, except very few (if any) of the ASF mirrors > (https://www.apache.org/mirrors/) mirror AOO. Maybe that is something we > can work with Intra to fix. > > Regards > Dave > > On 02/05/2021 12:22, Matthias Seidel wrote: >> Hi Peter, >> >> I would rather encourage to use the ASF mirror system again as an >> addition to our SourceForge downloads. >> >> Regards, >> >> Matthias >> >> Am 02.05.21 um 12:38 schrieb Peter Kovacs: >>> Hello all, >>> >>> >>> In the past we have discouraged the use of >>> https://downloads.apache.org/ because of Infra. >>> >>> I had a discussion with Humbedooh if this is still the case. And the >>> discussion outcome is, hat they only need a view days to adjust in >>> order to be able to secure the service. >>> >>> It may be that on peak times the download speed drops, but traffic or >>> the amount of downloads is not a topic. >>> >>> A topic will be to obtain statistics. I have not discussed this yet. >>> But the data is not publicly available, and I so far obtained only a >>> list from last week, because I figured that some are already promoting >>> the link. >>> >>> (With about 6k of download on friday, 4k on thursday, and 500 on >>> wednseday. (thursday I figured that some sites announced 4.1.10. (They >>> even link the draft release notes :P ) >>> >>> >>> So what do you think? Should we promote the alternate link with this >>> release more publicly maybe on Forums and go for a transition to a >>> different download policy? >>> >>> >>> All the Best >>> >>> Peter >>> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [discussion] use of https://downloads.apache.org/ as a download page
Hi Matthias, That would be nice, except very few (if any) of the ASF mirrors (https://www.apache.org/mirrors/) mirror AOO. Maybe that is something we can work with Intra to fix. Regards Dave On 02/05/2021 12:22, Matthias Seidel wrote: > Hi Peter, > > I would rather encourage to use the ASF mirror system again as an > addition to our SourceForge downloads. > > Regards, > > Matthias > > Am 02.05.21 um 12:38 schrieb Peter Kovacs: >> Hello all, >> >> >> In the past we have discouraged the use of >> https://downloads.apache.org/ because of Infra. >> >> I had a discussion with Humbedooh if this is still the case. And the >> discussion outcome is, hat they only need a view days to adjust in >> order to be able to secure the service. >> >> It may be that on peak times the download speed drops, but traffic or >> the amount of downloads is not a topic. >> >> A topic will be to obtain statistics. I have not discussed this yet. >> But the data is not publicly available, and I so far obtained only a >> list from last week, because I figured that some are already promoting >> the link. >> >> (With about 6k of download on friday, 4k on thursday, and 500 on >> wednseday. (thursday I figured that some sites announced 4.1.10. (They >> even link the draft release notes :P ) >> >> >> So what do you think? Should we promote the alternate link with this >> release more publicly maybe on Forums and go for a transition to a >> different download policy? >> >> >> All the Best >> >> Peter >> > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [discussion] use of https://downloads.apache.org/ as a download page
Hi Peter, I would rather encourage to use the ASF mirror system again as an addition to our SourceForge downloads. Regards, Matthias Am 02.05.21 um 12:38 schrieb Peter Kovacs: > Hello all, > > > In the past we have discouraged the use of > https://downloads.apache.org/ because of Infra. > > I had a discussion with Humbedooh if this is still the case. And the > discussion outcome is, hat they only need a view days to adjust in > order to be able to secure the service. > > It may be that on peak times the download speed drops, but traffic or > the amount of downloads is not a topic. > > A topic will be to obtain statistics. I have not discussed this yet. > But the data is not publicly available, and I so far obtained only a > list from last week, because I figured that some are already promoting > the link. > > (With about 6k of download on friday, 4k on thursday, and 500 on > wednseday. (thursday I figured that some sites announced 4.1.10. (They > even link the draft release notes :P ) > > > So what do you think? Should we promote the alternate link with this > release more publicly maybe on Forums and go for a transition to a > different download policy? > > > All the Best > > Peter > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [discussion] use of https://downloads.apache.org/ as a download page
On Sun, May 2, 2021 at 11:38 AM Peter Kovacs wrote: > > So what do you think? Should we promote the alternate link with this > release more publicly maybe on Forums and go for a transition to a > different download policy? > Nice work, Peter. It's clearly preferable to have downloads under Apache direct control so yes. S.
RE: [discussion] use of https://downloads.apache.org/ as a download page
> -Original Message- > From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:pe...@apache.org] > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 12:39 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: [discussion] use of https://downloads.apache.org/ as > a download page > > Hello all, > > > In the past we have discouraged the use of > https://downloads.apache.org/ > because of Infra. > > I had a discussion with Humbedooh if this is still the case. And the > discussion outcome is, hat they only need a view days to > adjust in order > to be able to secure the service. These are very good perspectives. > > It may be that on peak times the download speed drops, but traffic or > the amount of downloads is not a topic. > > A topic will be to obtain statistics. I have not discussed > this yet. But > the data is not publicly available, and I so far obtained only a list > from last week, because I figured that some are already > promoting the link. > > (With about 6k of download on friday, 4k on thursday, and 500 on > wednseday. (thursday I figured that some sites announced > 4.1.10. (They > even link the draft release notes :P ) > > > So what do you think? Should we promote the alternate link with this > release more publicly maybe on Forums and go for a transition to a > different download policy? +1 ... and "go for a transition to a different download policy" is, in my eyes, a successful formulation/goal setting. greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[discussion] use of https://downloads.apache.org/ as a download page
Hello all, In the past we have discouraged the use of https://downloads.apache.org/ because of Infra. I had a discussion with Humbedooh if this is still the case. And the discussion outcome is, hat they only need a view days to adjust in order to be able to secure the service. It may be that on peak times the download speed drops, but traffic or the amount of downloads is not a topic. A topic will be to obtain statistics. I have not discussed this yet. But the data is not publicly available, and I so far obtained only a list from last week, because I figured that some are already promoting the link. (With about 6k of download on friday, 4k on thursday, and 500 on wednseday. (thursday I figured that some sites announced 4.1.10. (They even link the draft release notes :P ) So what do you think? Should we promote the alternate link with this release more publicly maybe on Forums and go for a transition to a different download policy? All the Best Peter -- This is the Way! http://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org