Re: Issue with Windows builds and Cygwin 3.2.0

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Arrigo,

Am 05.09.21 um 16:15 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:
> Hello Matthias,
>
> a very late shot in the dark:
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 01:33:03PM +0200, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Even after I updated the corresponding "binutilities" the build stops at
>> "soltools".
>> So I downgraded to Cygwin 3.1.7 for now since a build without threads
>> just takes too much time.
>>
>> Anyone with insight on the timing issue?
> I understand you are seeing this issue with AOO41X.
>
> Do you see this issue while building trunk or AOO42X as well?  Some of
> the build tools were updated (thank you, Jim!) and this may have an
> influence on the issue?

The issue occurs in Cygwin32 (AOO41X) as well as in Cygwin64 (AOO42X/trunk).

There were some updates for Cygwin recently, (cygwin-util, bin-util,
mintty) and I didn't try again since then.

I will do in my next build.

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> I hope this helps,



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Re: Issue with Windows builds and Cygwin 3.2.0

[Arrigo Marchiori]

Hello Matthias,

a very late shot in the dark:

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 01:33:03PM +0200, Matthias Seidel wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Even after I updated the corresponding "binutilities" the build stops at
> "soltools".
> So I downgraded to Cygwin 3.1.7 for now since a build without threads
> just takes too much time.
> 
> Anyone with insight on the timing issue?

I understand you are seeing this issue with AOO41X.

Do you see this issue while building trunk or AOO42X as well?  Some of
the build tools were updated (thank you, Jim!) and this may have an
influence on the issue?

I hope this helps,
-- 
Arrigo

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UI bug for Calc only under MacOS

[Bidouille]

Hello,

French users confirm this bug: https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=114001
Occurs with 4.2.0-dev too.

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RE: OpenOffice needs better UI

[Jörg Schmidt]

Hello Hao Wang, 

> -Original Message-
> From: Hao Wang [mailto:hao...@live.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2021 10:00 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: OpenOffice needs better UI

- we (you and I and all who use the mailing list here) can discuss your 
proposal but it won't become real but will remain only a thought in our heads.

-unlike Microsoft or Kingsoft, the AOO project is not a company, but a free 
software project, here only volunteers work and decide about their own actions.
It is right to make your proposal to the volunteers here, but even if your 
proposal meets with approval, that is no guarantee that it will be implemented, 
because in order to do so, people must be found who want to do it voluntarily.



Jörg


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Re: OpenOffice needs better UI

[Hao Wang]

Dear Jorg,

I am a loyal user of WPS and Microsoft Office, not Open Office.

The reason why I suggested an Open Office Lite edition is I am tired of the new 
versions of WPS and Microsoft that have little improvement over the previous 
ones.

I am suggesting this for the better common good of office users, not because I 
have the need to use it. I will become a loyal fan of Oo Lite if it meets the 
quality requirement for research paper quality writing, but not for now.

China already has a free replacement of Microsoft Office, which is WPS. The 
software also has a Linux Edition. People really have no urge to use Oo Lite. 
WPS is currently No. 1 on Chinese market.

I think European market would be a good place for Oo Lite.

I am not "honestly" saying I want an Oo Lite Edition because I don't know what 
"I" represents for at this moment. I have trouble with my social and family 
ties that the other side refuse to listen or accept a resolution in a legal and 
enforcible manner. I find I am incapable to resolve anything related to more 
than 1 person that involves "I". So I go for the word "future" instead of "I". 
In future, we will see a better and different world, even though I might not 
live to that day.

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From: Jörg Schmidt 
Sent: Sunday, September 5, 2021 3:26:04 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: RE: OpenOffice needs better UI

> -Original Message-
> From: Hao Wang [mailto:hao...@live.com]
> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2021 6:41 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: OpenOffice needs better UI

> Should we create an Oo Lite edition that is small in size and
> lightweighted as discussed in the messages ? This is actually
> how WPS resurrected on the Chinese market. I think Oo Lite
> could also challenge Microsoft in Europe as well. BTW, a
> Windows edition of Oo Lite would also be a great threat to Microsoft.

Where is the problem to honestly say: an "Oo Lite edition" would please me? 
That would be a position I could share.

What I can't share is the kind of argumentation that tries to convince us of 
unrealistic chances of success for AOO, only with the obvious interest of 
wanting to push through an "Oo Lite Edition" in this way.

A little provocatively:
Where are the Chinese developers who are interested in implementing a "Oo Lite 
edition"? _If_ it were realistic that a "Oo Lite edition" would be so overly 
successful in China, then I'm pretty sure Chinese developers would realize that 
and be willing to support AOO.



But such questions are answered automatically in a meritocratic project, 
because if there are enough people who believe in the success of a specific 
change in the program, then (not necessarily, but very likely) people will be 
found who will implement this change in practice.



Jörg



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RE: OpenOffice needs better UI

[Jörg Schmidt]

> -Original Message-
> From: Hao Wang [mailto:hao...@live.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2021 6:41 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: OpenOffice needs better UI

> Should we create an Oo Lite edition that is small in size and 
> lightweighted as discussed in the messages ? This is actually 
> how WPS resurrected on the Chinese market. I think Oo Lite 
> could also challenge Microsoft in Europe as well. BTW, a 
> Windows edition of Oo Lite would also be a great threat to Microsoft.

Where is the problem to honestly say: an "Oo Lite edition" would please me? 
That would be a position I could share.

What I can't share is the kind of argumentation that tries to convince us of 
unrealistic chances of success for AOO, only with the obvious interest of 
wanting to push through an "Oo Lite Edition" in this way.

A little provocatively: 
Where are the Chinese developers who are interested in implementing a "Oo Lite 
edition"? _If_ it were realistic that a "Oo Lite edition" would be so overly 
successful in China, then I'm pretty sure Chinese developers would realize that 
and be willing to support AOO.



But such questions are answered automatically in a meritocratic project, 
because if there are enough people who believe in the success of a specific 
change in the program, then (not necessarily, but very likely) people will be 
found who will implement this change in practice.



Jörg



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