Re: My opinion (was: Happy birthday OpenOffice)
Thanks, Matthias. I very much enjoyed the interaction in BBB and what a great group! Looking forward to learning more - Great info about the accessibility related to icons! And all the links. - Original Message - From: "Matthias Seidel" To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2020 12:43:31 AM Subject: Re: My opinion (was: Happy birthday OpenOffice) Hi Marcia, Thank you for the warm words! We are all doing our best. ;-) Regards, Matthias Am 16.10.20 um 18:10 schrieb marcia wilbur: > Hello. > > One thing I do acknowledge here is the support and maintenance of the > software as a vital part of the community. > While my own development (respin) doesn't have a lot of new features, a > competitor had blasted me with - what have you done. > > How we serve community cannot be measured in just new features or updates. > We offer support, guidance, and in some cases, hope. > > I remember when OO was abandoned and Apache took it on. > This recent PR strategy by the Document Foundation was extremely > disappointing. > > I appreciate the AOO community and am here to support this effort. > > - Original Message - > From: "Dr. Michael Stehmann" > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 5:12:21 AM > Subject: Re: My opinion (was: Happy birthday OpenOffice) > > Hello, > > >> Our project is a community of people working together making software, >> documentation, helping users etc. for the public good. >> If others use our contributions and don't give back. That's okay. That's >> on them. >> That's part of what makes us Apache. >> >> Best regards, >> Carl > That is correct with regard to law, but for some people not with regard > to morals. > > And to the last sentence I have a comment: > > I am (and maybe some others are) supporting Apache OpenOffice not > because but in spite of the copyleftless licence. > > Kind regards and excuse my poor english > Michael > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: My opinion (was: Happy birthday OpenOffice)
Hi Marcia, Thank you for the warm words! We are all doing our best. ;-) Regards, Matthias Am 16.10.20 um 18:10 schrieb marcia wilbur: > Hello. > > One thing I do acknowledge here is the support and maintenance of the > software as a vital part of the community. > While my own development (respin) doesn't have a lot of new features, a > competitor had blasted me with - what have you done. > > How we serve community cannot be measured in just new features or updates. > We offer support, guidance, and in some cases, hope. > > I remember when OO was abandoned and Apache took it on. > This recent PR strategy by the Document Foundation was extremely > disappointing. > > I appreciate the AOO community and am here to support this effort. > > - Original Message - > From: "Dr. Michael Stehmann" > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 5:12:21 AM > Subject: Re: My opinion (was: Happy birthday OpenOffice) > > Hello, > > >> Our project is a community of people working together making software, >> documentation, helping users etc. for the public good. >> If others use our contributions and don't give back. That's okay. That's >> on them. >> That's part of what makes us Apache. >> >> Best regards, >> Carl > That is correct with regard to law, but for some people not with regard > to morals. > > And to the last sentence I have a comment: > > I am (and maybe some others are) supporting Apache OpenOffice not > because but in spite of the copyleftless licence. > > Kind regards and excuse my poor english > Michael > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: My opinion (was: Happy birthday OpenOffice)
Hello. One thing I do acknowledge here is the support and maintenance of the software as a vital part of the community. While my own development (respin) doesn't have a lot of new features, a competitor had blasted me with - what have you done. How we serve community cannot be measured in just new features or updates. We offer support, guidance, and in some cases, hope. I remember when OO was abandoned and Apache took it on. This recent PR strategy by the Document Foundation was extremely disappointing. I appreciate the AOO community and am here to support this effort. - Original Message - From: "Dr. Michael Stehmann" To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 5:12:21 AM Subject: Re: My opinion (was: Happy birthday OpenOffice) Hello, > Our project is a community of people working together making software, > documentation, helping users etc. for the public good. > If others use our contributions and don't give back. That's okay. That's > on them. > That's part of what makes us Apache. > > Best regards, > Carl That is correct with regard to law, but for some people not with regard to morals. And to the last sentence I have a comment: I am (and maybe some others are) supporting Apache OpenOffice not because but in spite of the copyleftless licence. Kind regards and excuse my poor english Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: My opinion (was: Happy birthday OpenOffice)
Hello, > Our project is a community of people working together making software, > documentation, helping users etc. for the public good. > If others use our contributions and don't give back. That's okay. That's > on them. > That's part of what makes us Apache. > > Best regards, > Carl That is correct with regard to law, but for some people not with regard to morals. And to the last sentence I have a comment: I am (and maybe some others are) supporting Apache OpenOffice not because but in spite of the copyleftless licence. Kind regards and excuse my poor english Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: My opinion (was: Happy birthday OpenOffice)
> On Oct 16, 2020, at 7:40 AM, Carl Marcum wrote: > If others use our contributions and don't give back. That's okay. That's on > them. > That's part of what makes us Apache. This is somewhat off-topic but I find it interesting... As we know, Amazon has a bad rep in some areas of the open source community, specifically for using Open Source programs, esp those under Permissive licenses, and "not giving their improvements back to the community". Lots of people are up in arms about that and complain that Amazon is a free-loader, acting in bad faith, abusing open source, etc etc. The interesting part is that so many of those who complain about Amazon doing so go out of their way to support LO's freedom to do the exact same thing. It kind of shows just how self serving their moral outrage is... I'm not saying LO must allow us to use contributions; I'm not saying that they are freeloaders; all I am saying is that if they were serious about "working together" that would be an easy way to prove it.
Re: My opinion (was: Happy birthday OpenOffice)
On 10/16/20 3:44 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: Hello, Some coverage in German: https://www.heise.de/news/OpenOffice-feiert-Geburtstag-LibreOf fice-meint-Juchhei-wir-wollen-euren-Namen-4929239.html and also: https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2020/10/12/open-letter-to-apache-openoffice/ Let's make one thing very clear: this is the same spirit, these are the same people who hounded against Apache OPenOffice from the beginning, and verbally attacked and insulted members of our community (I only mention the attacks against Rob). It's the same style that was used to falsely pretend for months that a foundation already existed, even though it did not. These are people who led the LO community into the same dependency on the commitment of companies they pretended to overcome when the companies were called SUN and Oracle. FOSS also thrives on diversity, and regularly thrives on the coexistence of different alternatives for solving the same problem, be it Linux distributions, browsers, editors or even office packages. One may find this relative 'redundancy' good or bad, but it is not really bad and it is ultimately an expression of the fact that FOSS projects are made by humans. Those who, in the style of the TDF, criticize this diversity one-sidedly at OO/LO, do not really want to unite, they want to play out their own power, they only want to grow themselves. Let us defend our autonomy and our independence as AOO and be proud that we have made OpenOffice great through honest performance and have not tried to distinguish ourselves through PR and manipulation of public opinion. Yes, We can't control what others do or say but we can keep doing what we've been doing and get this next release done and keep working on the next. Let us be aware in difficult times that we are part of a large community (the ASF), that we are OpenOffice (and not TDF/LO), that it was once MS Office that taught fear and that with persistence even difficult times can be overcome. greetings, Jörg Our project is a community of people working together making software, documentation, helping users etc. for the public good. If others use our contributions and don't give back. That's okay. That's on them. That's part of what makes us Apache. Best regards, Carl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
My opinion (was: Happy birthday OpenOffice)
Hello, > Some coverage in German: > > https://www.heise.de/news/OpenOffice-feiert-Geburtstag-LibreOf > fice-meint-Juchhei-wir-wollen-euren-Namen-4929239.html and also: https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2020/10/12/open-letter-to-apache-openoffice/ Let's make one thing very clear: this is the same spirit, these are the same people who hounded against Apache OPenOffice from the beginning, and verbally attacked and insulted members of our community (I only mention the attacks against Rob). It's the same style that was used to falsely pretend for months that a foundation already existed, even though it did not. These are people who led the LO community into the same dependency on the commitment of companies they pretended to overcome when the companies were called SUN and Oracle. FOSS also thrives on diversity, and regularly thrives on the coexistence of different alternatives for solving the same problem, be it Linux distributions, browsers, editors or even office packages. One may find this relative 'redundancy' good or bad, but it is not really bad and it is ultimately an expression of the fact that FOSS projects are made by humans. Those who, in the style of the TDF, criticize this diversity one-sidedly at OO/LO, do not really want to unite, they want to play out their own power, they only want to grow themselves. Let us defend our autonomy and our independence as AOO and be proud that we have made OpenOffice great through honest performance and have not tried to distinguish ourselves through PR and manipulation of public opinion. Let us be aware in difficult times that we are part of a large community (the ASF), that we are OpenOffice (and not TDF/LO), that it was once MS Office that taught fear and that with persistence even difficult times can be overcome. greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Happy birthday OpenOffice
Hello, > -Original Message- > From: Matthias Seidel [mailto:matthias.sei...@hamburg.de] > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 3:39 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: Happy birthday OpenOffice > > Some coverage in German: > > https://www.heise.de/news/OpenOffice-feiert-Geburtstag-LibreOf > fice-meint-Juchhei-wir-wollen-euren-Namen-4929239.html > > https://www.linux-magazin.de/news/20-jahre-openoffice/ thank you for these links. My opinion is simple and clear: LO deliberately forked and was not willing to behave rationally when the Oracle problem was over. The TDF has gambled away every moral right to the "OpenOffice" brand. That is all that can be said about the absurd demands. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Happy birthday OpenOffice
Hi Andrea, Am 15.10.20 um 22:28 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: > On 12/10/2020 Jörg Schmidt wrote: >> Happy birthday OpenOffice, >> October 13th is the 20th anniversary of the founding of OpenOffice > > I haven't seen on this list the link to the official 20th anniversary > announcement, so here it is: > > https://s.apache.org/86lex Thanks, we should also update our homepage with a link to that press release. But we got a little distracted... ;-) > > Happy birthday, now just in the middle of the 20th anniversary as a > free software project and the 8th anniversary as an Apache project in > a couple days! Cheers! Matthias > > Andrea > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Happy birthday OpenOffice
On 12/10/2020 Jörg Schmidt wrote: Happy birthday OpenOffice, October 13th is the 20th anniversary of the founding of OpenOffice I haven't seen on this list the link to the official 20th anniversary announcement, so here it is: https://s.apache.org/86lex Happy birthday, now just in the middle of the 20th anniversary as a free software project and the 8th anniversary as an Apache project in a couple days! Andrea - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Happy birthday OpenOffice
How much LO help from the OpenOffice forums these days? > On Oct 15, 2020, at 7:54 AM, Bidouille wrote: > > From France: > https://www.numerama.com/tech/657446-libreoffice-interpelle-apache-openoffice-jetez-leponge-et-rejoignez-nous.html > https://openoffice-libreoffice.developpez.com/actu/309637/OpenOffice-org-celebre-son-20e-anniversaire/ > Each news say that OpenOffice is dead and should take its place at LibO. > Same old story as 10 years ago. > > - Mail original - >> De: "Matthias Seidel" >> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org >> Envoyé: Jeudi 15 Octobre 2020 15:38:56 >> Objet: Re: Happy birthday OpenOffice >> >> Some coverage in German: >> >> https://www.heise.de/news/OpenOffice-feiert-Geburtstag-LibreOffice-meint-Juchhei-wir-wollen-euren-Namen-4929239.html >> >> https://www.linux-magazin.de/news/20-jahre-openoffice/ >> >> Regards, >> >>Matthias >> >> Am 13.10.20 um 13:41 schrieb JZA: >>> Is this just for German magazines? >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 11:23 AM Jörg Schmidt >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Happy birthday OpenOffice, >>>> >>>> October 13th is the 20th anniversary of the founding of >>>> OpenOffice, with >>>> the release of the source code by SUN Microsystems. At archive.org >>>> you >>>> can still find a copy of the website of the former OpenOffice.org >>>> (as of >>>> 17.10.2000): >>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20001017210340/http://openoffice.org/ >>>> >>>> The ProOO-Box would like to congratulate: >>>> http://prooo-box.org/seiten/jubilaeum.html >>>> >>>> on this occasion we are putting a freshly updated ISO online for >>>> download: >>>> http://prooo-box.org/seiten/download.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On behalf of the ProOO-Box team >>>> >>>> best regards >>>> Jörg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> p.s. >>>> >>>> a deplorable detail: >>>> Despite my best efforts, I was not able to publish an article >>>> about the >>>> anniversary of OpenOffice in any well-known German IT magazine or >>>> to >>>> encourage the magazines to do so themselves. >>>> >>>> I consider our practically non-existent PR work to be the reason >>>> for this, >>>> especially since it means that we do not have reliable press >>>> contacts, as >>>> was once perfectly normal for OpenOffice.org and contributed to >>>> the overall >>>> success of the project. >>>> Unfortunately, this lack of PR work also deprives us of the >>>> opportunity to >>>> report actively and up-to-date about AOO and our project work. >>>> Michael's >>>> reports from FOSS fairs and the opinions and assumptions of AOO >>>> users there >>>> show me that we do too little for this. >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>>> >>>> >> >> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Happy birthday OpenOffice
>From France: https://www.numerama.com/tech/657446-libreoffice-interpelle-apache-openoffice-jetez-leponge-et-rejoignez-nous.html https://openoffice-libreoffice.developpez.com/actu/309637/OpenOffice-org-celebre-son-20e-anniversaire/ Each news say that OpenOffice is dead and should take its place at LibO. Same old story as 10 years ago. - Mail original - > De: "Matthias Seidel" > À: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Envoyé: Jeudi 15 Octobre 2020 15:38:56 > Objet: Re: Happy birthday OpenOffice > > Some coverage in German: > > https://www.heise.de/news/OpenOffice-feiert-Geburtstag-LibreOffice-meint-Juchhei-wir-wollen-euren-Namen-4929239.html > > https://www.linux-magazin.de/news/20-jahre-openoffice/ > > Regards, > > Matthias > > Am 13.10.20 um 13:41 schrieb JZA: > > Is this just for German magazines? > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 11:23 AM Jörg Schmidt > > wrote: > > > >> Happy birthday OpenOffice, > >> > >> October 13th is the 20th anniversary of the founding of > >> OpenOffice, with > >> the release of the source code by SUN Microsystems. At archive.org > >> you > >> can still find a copy of the website of the former OpenOffice.org > >> (as of > >> 17.10.2000): > >> https://web.archive.org/web/20001017210340/http://openoffice.org/ > >> > >> The ProOO-Box would like to congratulate: > >> http://prooo-box.org/seiten/jubilaeum.html > >> > >> on this occasion we are putting a freshly updated ISO online for > >> download: > >> http://prooo-box.org/seiten/download.html > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On behalf of the ProOO-Box team > >> > >> best regards > >> Jörg > >> > >> > >> > >> p.s. > >> > >> a deplorable detail: > >> Despite my best efforts, I was not able to publish an article > >> about the > >> anniversary of OpenOffice in any well-known German IT magazine or > >> to > >> encourage the magazines to do so themselves. > >> > >> I consider our practically non-existent PR work to be the reason > >> for this, > >> especially since it means that we do not have reliable press > >> contacts, as > >> was once perfectly normal for OpenOffice.org and contributed to > >> the overall > >> success of the project. > >> Unfortunately, this lack of PR work also deprives us of the > >> opportunity to > >> report actively and up-to-date about AOO and our project work. > >> Michael's > >> reports from FOSS fairs and the opinions and assumptions of AOO > >> users there > >> show me that we do too little for this. > >> > >> > >> - > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >> > >> > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Happy birthday OpenOffice
Some coverage in German: https://www.heise.de/news/OpenOffice-feiert-Geburtstag-LibreOffice-meint-Juchhei-wir-wollen-euren-Namen-4929239.html https://www.linux-magazin.de/news/20-jahre-openoffice/ Regards, Matthias Am 13.10.20 um 13:41 schrieb JZA: > Is this just for German magazines? > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 11:23 AM Jörg Schmidt wrote: > >> Happy birthday OpenOffice, >> >> October 13th is the 20th anniversary of the founding of OpenOffice, with >> the release of the source code by SUN Microsystems. At archive.org you >> can still find a copy of the website of the former OpenOffice.org (as of >> 17.10.2000): >> https://web.archive.org/web/20001017210340/http://openoffice.org/ >> >> The ProOO-Box would like to congratulate: >> http://prooo-box.org/seiten/jubilaeum.html >> >> on this occasion we are putting a freshly updated ISO online for download: >> http://prooo-box.org/seiten/download.html >> >> >> >> >> On behalf of the ProOO-Box team >> >> best regards >> Jörg >> >> >> >> p.s. >> >> a deplorable detail: >> Despite my best efforts, I was not able to publish an article about the >> anniversary of OpenOffice in any well-known German IT magazine or to >> encourage the magazines to do so themselves. >> >> I consider our practically non-existent PR work to be the reason for this, >> especially since it means that we do not have reliable press contacts, as >> was once perfectly normal for OpenOffice.org and contributed to the overall >> success of the project. >> Unfortunately, this lack of PR work also deprives us of the opportunity to >> report actively and up-to-date about AOO and our project work. Michael's >> reports from FOSS fairs and the opinions and assumptions of AOO users there >> show me that we do too little for this. >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
RE: Happy birthday OpenOffice
Hello, > -Original Message- > From: JZA [mailto:j...@gultab.org] > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 1:41 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: Happy birthday OpenOffice > > Is this just for German magazines? Specifically, yes, because I had only contacted German-language magazines. But I assume that this will not look different for magazines in others, especially since OpenOffice is traditionally more common in German-speaking countries than in non-German-speaking countries. OpenOffice.org, for example, had market shares of 12 (partly 15%) in Germany at its best times, confirmed by market research, this share is higher than any other known market share in other countries. (The question of market share was of course not my reason to ask only for German magazines, but only that I myself cannot write articles on magazine level in English). Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Happy birthday OpenOffice
Is this just for German magazines? On Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 11:23 AM Jörg Schmidt wrote: > Happy birthday OpenOffice, > > October 13th is the 20th anniversary of the founding of OpenOffice, with > the release of the source code by SUN Microsystems. At archive.org you > can still find a copy of the website of the former OpenOffice.org (as of > 17.10.2000): > https://web.archive.org/web/20001017210340/http://openoffice.org/ > > The ProOO-Box would like to congratulate: > http://prooo-box.org/seiten/jubilaeum.html > > on this occasion we are putting a freshly updated ISO online for download: > http://prooo-box.org/seiten/download.html > > > > > On behalf of the ProOO-Box team > > best regards > Jörg > > > > p.s. > > a deplorable detail: > Despite my best efforts, I was not able to publish an article about the > anniversary of OpenOffice in any well-known German IT magazine or to > encourage the magazines to do so themselves. > > I consider our practically non-existent PR work to be the reason for this, > especially since it means that we do not have reliable press contacts, as > was once perfectly normal for OpenOffice.org and contributed to the overall > success of the project. > Unfortunately, this lack of PR work also deprives us of the opportunity to > report actively and up-to-date about AOO and our project work. Michael's > reports from FOSS fairs and the opinions and assumptions of AOO users there > show me that we do too little for this. > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >
Happy birthday OpenOffice
Happy birthday OpenOffice, October 13th is the 20th anniversary of the founding of OpenOffice, with the release of the source code by SUN Microsystems. At archive.org you can still find a copy of the website of the former OpenOffice.org (as of 17.10.2000): https://web.archive.org/web/20001017210340/http://openoffice.org/ The ProOO-Box would like to congratulate: http://prooo-box.org/seiten/jubilaeum.html on this occasion we are putting a freshly updated ISO online for download: http://prooo-box.org/seiten/download.html On behalf of the ProOO-Box team best regards Jörg p.s. a deplorable detail: Despite my best efforts, I was not able to publish an article about the anniversary of OpenOffice in any well-known German IT magazine or to encourage the magazines to do so themselves. I consider our practically non-existent PR work to be the reason for this, especially since it means that we do not have reliable press contacts, as was once perfectly normal for OpenOffice.org and contributed to the overall success of the project. Unfortunately, this lack of PR work also deprives us of the opportunity to report actively and up-to-date about AOO and our project work. Michael's reports from FOSS fairs and the opinions and assumptions of AOO users there show me that we do too little for this. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
