Re: Explaining Java (was RE: Java 32) - BASE Questions
On 01/22/2015 09:42 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Before improving the messages and taking another run at the Java explanation on the web site, I ran more tests to be certain I knew the circumstances for one of the messages that is tied to SQL Exceptions. One thing I noticed (which was useful for seeing how the different messages arise) is that the default embedded database produced by OpenOffice Base is HSQLDB, which is 100% Java-required. According to the HSQLDB site, there was collaboration on upgrading the version of HSQLDB, http://hsqldb.org/web/openoffice.html. That's from November 2011 though. I have three questions: 1. What happened with regard to the improvements with regard to the version of HSQLDB used? We're still using the base of hsqldb 1.8 with patches for use with java 7. See: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121754 There had been some additional discussion switching to hsql 2.3 but this has not been done. See : https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121837 2. What happened with regard to being able to make an HSQLDB for local use but external to the .ODB file? I don't recall a discussion like this. Can you provide a reference? 3. Is there any effort at any stage of development to use a local but non-Java-requiring database? Not that I'm aware of. We've had requests for other dbs like sqlite but these were not in-depth discussions of a replacement. At some point, we do need a more in-depth discussion about Base. Please feel free to start this if you like. This isn't going to matter with regard to immediately cleaning up the messages and the explanation on the web site. I'm just curious because Base is a place that might have some relatively isolatable maintenance work (or maybe not). I think you're right about this. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 10:39 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: Explaining Java (was RE: Java 32) I've started working over the six Java-specific messages that are produced by AOO and adjusting the localizable explanation at http://openoffice.org/xx/java. WEB SITE QUESTION: For page-specific images that I want to include under content/xx/java/, can I simply put them in that directory, since they are only used by the web page(s) there? I am thinking that will work perfectly for localization, because the localized versions of those folders can replace the images made from screen captures with equivalent ones made from the same-language UI. And for starters, copies of the xx/java/ images can continue to be used until localization-friendlier ones are supplied. Is this a good way to approach this? Is there different guidance with regard to images having such local context? - Dennis -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 07:28 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Explaining Java (was RE: Java 32) Am 12/30/2014 03:54 PM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: [ ... ] orcmid I thought the idea was to create openoffice.org/java/index.htm and seed the xx structure from that. Have I misunderstood how that is usually done? /orcmid I think there was no agreemnt here. However, it's just a commit more when we all agree that this is the best place. Can be done later as the page was recently updated by Kay. So, now the several error messages need to be updated. orcmid Some of the error messages can be essentially unchanged because they happen when the JRE is installed or has been intentionally avoided. I will put up a suggested list when I am feeling better. /orcmid That would be great. I'm a bit lost to resolve which text part is combined with what and in which case. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK There's a bit of magic in everything, and some loss to even things out. -- Lou Reed - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Explaining Java (was RE: Java 32) - BASE Questions
On 22/01/2015 Kay Schenk wrote: On 01/22/2015 09:42 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: 1. What happened with regard to the improvements with regard to the version of HSQLDB used? We're still using the base of hsqldb 1.8 with patches for use with java 7. See: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121754 To be precise, as you will read there, we are using an unmodified 1.8.0.11, but since it was not released as a tarball but just as a SVN tag, we actually use 1.8.0.10 and patch it with the few changes needed to align the code to 1.8.0.11. 3. Is there any effort at any stage of development to use a local but non-Java-requiring database? No. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Explaining Java (was RE: Java 32) - BASE Questions
Before improving the messages and taking another run at the Java explanation on the web site, I ran more tests to be certain I knew the circumstances for one of the messages that is tied to SQL Exceptions. One thing I noticed (which was useful for seeing how the different messages arise) is that the default embedded database produced by OpenOffice Base is HSQLDB, which is 100% Java-required. According to the HSQLDB site, there was collaboration on upgrading the version of HSQLDB, http://hsqldb.org/web/openoffice.html. That's from November 2011 though. I have three questions: 1. What happened with regard to the improvements with regard to the version of HSQLDB used? 2. What happened with regard to being able to make an HSQLDB for local use but external to the .ODB file? 3. Is there any effort at any stage of development to use a local but non-Java-requiring database? This isn't going to matter with regard to immediately cleaning up the messages and the explanation on the web site. I'm just curious because Base is a place that might have some relatively isolatable maintenance work (or maybe not). - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 10:39 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: Explaining Java (was RE: Java 32) I've started working over the six Java-specific messages that are produced by AOO and adjusting the localizable explanation at http://openoffice.org/xx/java. WEB SITE QUESTION: For page-specific images that I want to include under content/xx/java/, can I simply put them in that directory, since they are only used by the web page(s) there? I am thinking that will work perfectly for localization, because the localized versions of those folders can replace the images made from screen captures with equivalent ones made from the same-language UI. And for starters, copies of the xx/java/ images can continue to be used until localization-friendlier ones are supplied. Is this a good way to approach this? Is there different guidance with regard to images having such local context? - Dennis -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 07:28 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Explaining Java (was RE: Java 32) Am 12/30/2014 03:54 PM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: [ ... ] orcmid I thought the idea was to create openoffice.org/java/index.htm and seed the xx structure from that. Have I misunderstood how that is usually done? /orcmid I think there was no agreemnt here. However, it's just a commit more when we all agree that this is the best place. Can be done later as the page was recently updated by Kay. So, now the several error messages need to be updated. orcmid Some of the error messages can be essentially unchanged because they happen when the JRE is installed or has been intentionally avoided. I will put up a suggested list when I am feeling better. /orcmid That would be great. I'm a bit lost to resolve which text part is combined with what and in which case. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
