Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community

2007-10-11 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Mathias, On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 10:47 +0200, Mathias Bauer wrote: I'm sure that he is not naive enough to believe that the rules of the project would be changed in a hurry just because he started his campaign. IMHO it's certainly worth changing the rules to meet contributors

Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community

2007-10-11 Thread Philipp Lohmann
Michael Meeks wrote: We claim to have 15 people working on OO.o; their names are: Michael Meeks, Radek Doulik, Florian Reuter, Tor Lillqvist, Petr Mladek, Noel Power, Eric Ward, Fong, Jian-Hua, Hubert Figure, Fridrich Strba, Kohei Yoshida, Jon Prior, Zhang Yun (/contract

Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community

2007-10-11 Thread Michael Meeks
On Thu, 2007-10-11 at 12:53 +0200, Philipp Lohmann wrote: Michael Meeks wrote: We claim to have 15 people working on OO.o; their names are: Michael Meeks, Radek Doulik, Florian Reuter, Tor Lillqvist, Petr Mladek, Noel Power, Eric Ward, Fong, Jian-Hua, Hubert Figure, Fridrich

Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community

2007-10-10 Thread Mathias Bauer
Allen Pulsifer wrote: Hello Mathias, There is a lot of PR in this issue floating around the internet these days, most of it coming from Sun. Really? I think we have been very (too?) quite about this for quite some time. IMHO there are other people who have been much more verbose (and not

Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community

2007-10-10 Thread Mathias Bauer
Hello Allen, Allen Pulsifer wrote: Hello Juergen, I deleted your message without reading it because I'm not willing to look at anything that starts with that tone. Please cool down. Jürgen didn't want to attack you. You should consider that he (as well as I) are not native english speakers

RE: [dev] Some thoughts about our community

2007-10-09 Thread Allen Pulsifer
Hello Juergen, I deleted your message without reading it because I'm not willing to look at anything that starts with that tone. Best Regards, Allen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community

2007-10-09 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Allen, please calm down. It is useless to end up conversations in that way. Can you please let us know what you feel the problem is? And sorry, but as a long time independent contributor of OOo, please be aware that not all of us here share your opinion on Sun, the JCA, etc. best, Charles.

Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community

2007-10-09 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Allen, Allen Pulsifer wrote (9-10-2007 11:53) : I deleted your message without reading it because I'm not willing to look at anything that starts with that tone. I can imagine that the tone Juergen started with, wasn't the most tactical and that you didn't like it. It was probably coming

Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community

2007-10-09 Thread Davide Dozza
Hi Juergen, I wouldn't discuss about [2] and [3]. They are just examples and they have been discussing on other places. I would like to discuss about [1] and why we are almost the same people any year, why the number of participants doesn't grow and why large proportion of people comes from few

Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community

2007-10-09 Thread Davide Dozza
Hi Juergen, I wouldn't discuss about [2] and [3]. They are just examples and they have been discussing on other places. I would like to discuss about [1] and why we are almost the same people any year, why the number of participants doesn't grow and why large proportion of people comes from few

RE: [dev] Some thoughts about our community

2007-10-09 Thread Allen Pulsifer
Hello Mathias, There is a lot of PR in this issue floating around the internet these days, most of it coming from Sun. Its clear to me that the goal of this PR is to maintain the status quo, i.e., ensure that contributions to the project keep coming in, and that the contributors sign the JCA or

Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community

2007-10-09 Thread Juergen Schmidt
Hi Allen, please apology my beginning, it seems that it was the wrong beginning because you haven't read the whole message ;-). But if you would know me you would also know that i always say or write what i am thinking. I am always very direct and sometimes people feel uncomfortable with that

Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community

2007-10-09 Thread Juergen Schmidt
Caolan McNamara wrote: On Mon, 2007-10-08 at 12:48 -0400, Allen Pulsifer wrote: The one rational Simon offers that is a little bit different than the usual is the following: In many cases (including some very well-known open source projects) [the JCA] also allows the original donor to offer

Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community

2007-10-09 Thread Caolan McNamara
On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 16:26 +0200, Juergen Schmidt wrote: Caolan McNamara wrote: On Mon, 2007-10-08 at 12:48 -0400, Allen Pulsifer wrote: The one rational Simon offers that is a little bit different than the usual is the following: In many cases (including some very well-known open

Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community

2007-10-08 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello Juergen, Davide, Allen, all, Juergen Schmidt a écrit : Hi Davide, Davide Dozza wrote: Hi Juergen, I wouldn't discuss about [2] and [3]. They are just examples and they have been discussing on other places. I would like to discuss about [1] and why we are almost the same people

Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community

2007-10-08 Thread Mathias Bauer
Allen Pulsifer wrote: Speaking as a community participant... When I first became involved in OOo, I was not completely comfortable with the license arrangement, but thought Sun should be given the benefit of the doubt based on all of their contributions. However, let's look at this

Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community

2007-10-08 Thread Peter Vandenabeele
On 10/8/07, Mathias Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please write it more exactly: that the copyright must be shared with Sun. For my understanding, a generic question: If a piece of software has: Copyright (C) 2007 Peter Janssens, Jan Peeters or Copyright (C) 2007 Peter Janssens

RE: [dev] Some thoughts about our community

2007-10-08 Thread Allen Pulsifer
Hello Mathias, There is a lot of PR in this issue floating around the internet these days, most of it coming from Sun. Its clear to me that the goal of this PR is to maintain the status quo, i.e., ensure that contributions to the project keep coming in, and that the contributors sign the JCA or

RE: [dev] Some thoughts about our community

2007-10-08 Thread Caolan McNamara
On Mon, 2007-10-08 at 12:48 -0400, Allen Pulsifer wrote: The one rational Simon offers that is a little bit different than the usual is the following: In many cases (including some very well-known open source projects) [the JCA] also allows the original donor to offer commercial offerings,

Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community

2007-10-08 Thread Juergen Schmidt
Hi Allen, i don't know who you are neither do i know what your contributions to OpenOffice.org are. Probably you would say that you never have thought about any contribution because of the JCA and of course it's your personal right. But on the other hand we don't know what we have missed by

Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community

2007-10-08 Thread Mathias Bauer
Peter Vandenabeele wrote: On 10/8/07, Mathias Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please write it more exactly: that the copyright must be shared with Sun. For my understanding, a generic question: If a piece of software has: Copyright (C) 2007 Peter Janssens, Jan Peeters or

Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community

2007-10-05 Thread Juergen Schmidt
Hi Davide, i think [3] is a special thing and we all agree that it is a sad story. We should exactly identify what the problems were and should start to work on them. Does they still exists? Or have some things already changed. [2] is more or less around the JCA where i don't see that a

Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community

2007-10-05 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Davide, might be worth to listen about that (at least at the beginning): http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/04/open_season_four_shuttleworth/ Best, Charles. Davide Dozza a écrit : Hi all, some days ago I launched a stone into the water. I posted some consideration [1] about the OOoCon

Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community

2007-10-05 Thread Davide Dozza
Hi Juergen, I wouldn't discuss about [2] and [3]. They are just examples and they have been discussing on other places. I would like to discuss about [1] and why we are almost the same people any year, why the number of participants doesn't grow and why large proportion of people comes from few

Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community

2007-10-05 Thread Juergen Schmidt
Hi Davide, Davide Dozza wrote: Hi Juergen, I wouldn't discuss about [2] and [3]. They are just examples and they have been discussing on other places. I would like to discuss about [1] and why we are almost the same people any year, why the number of participants doesn't grow and why large

RE: [dev] Some thoughts about our community

2007-10-05 Thread Allen Pulsifer
Speaking as a community participant... When I first became involved in OOo, I was not completely comfortable with the license arrangement, but thought Sun should be given the benefit of the doubt based on all of their contributions. However, let's look at this objectively. Here are some facts.