Re: [OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica

2013-03-18 Thread Jochen Topf
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 10:09:30AM +0100, Jochen Topf wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 01:53:30AM -0700, Paul Norman wrote: You should not import the -180/180 part until a plan for tile.osm.org has been worked out. If this isn't solved before we do the import we just add those bogus

Re: [OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica

2013-03-13 Thread Jochen Topf
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 10:38:36AM +, Andy Allan wrote: On 12 March 2013 09:12, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: I am not sure it is a good idea to switch to water polygons. Those polygons are much more complicated because they contain lots of holes, so they are slower to render.

Re: [OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica

2013-03-12 Thread Jochen Topf
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:53:16AM -0700, Paul Norman wrote: From: Jochen Topf [mailto:joc...@remote.org] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica If tile.osm.org has by now switched to using OSMCoastline and uses a current version

Re: [OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica

2013-03-12 Thread Tom Hughes
On 12/03/13 08:25, Jochen Topf wrote: On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:53:16AM -0700, Paul Norman wrote: From: Jochen Topf [mailto:joc...@remote.org] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica If tile.osm.org has by now switched to using OSMCoastline

Re: [OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica

2013-03-12 Thread Paul Norman
From: Jochen Topf [mailto:joc...@remote.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:53:16AM -0700, Paul Norman wrote: From: Jochen Topf [mailto:joc...@remote.org] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 10:17 AM

Re: [OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica

2013-03-12 Thread Jochen Topf
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 01:53:30AM -0700, Paul Norman wrote: You should not import the -180/180 part until a plan for tile.osm.org has been worked out. If this isn't solved before we do the import we just add those bogus coastline ways back in as a temporary measure. Jochen -- Jochen Topf

Re: [OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica

2013-03-12 Thread Jochen Topf
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 08:41:36AM +, Tom Hughes wrote: On 12/03/13 08:25, Jochen Topf wrote: On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:53:16AM -0700, Paul Norman wrote: From: Jochen Topf [mailto:joc...@remote.org] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica

Re: [OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica

2013-03-12 Thread Jochen Topf
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 01:53:30AM -0700, Paul Norman wrote: From: Jochen Topf [mailto:joc...@remote.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:53:16AM -0700, Paul Norman wrote: From: Jochen Topf

Re: [OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica

2013-03-12 Thread Tom Hughes
On 12/03/13 09:07, Jochen Topf wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 08:41:36AM +, Tom Hughes wrote: Andy and I were talking about this last week and were of the opinion that we should switch to using your data, and to using sea polygons with land as the default background rather than the

Re: [OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica

2013-03-12 Thread Jochen Topf
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 09:12:39AM +, Tom Hughes wrote: On 12/03/13 09:07, Jochen Topf wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 08:41:36AM +, Tom Hughes wrote: Andy and I were talking about this last week and were of the opinion that we should switch to using your data, and to using sea

Re: [OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica

2013-03-12 Thread Tom Hughes
On 12/03/13 09:17, Jochen Topf wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 09:12:39AM +, Tom Hughes wrote: Interesting - that change was Andy's idea and I think the thought was to reduce the damage done by any breakage and to ensure that we're not matching any massive polygons in the busy (land) areas.

Re: [OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica

2013-03-12 Thread Peter Wendorff
I'm not sure if it works, but I think it might be the better solution to have land flooded on the maps than to have water becoming deserts. On land we might have data which makes errors visually obvious: There are streets in the sea - something has to be wrong. At the ocean we don't have, but in

Re: [OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica

2013-03-12 Thread Jochen Topf
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 09:20:51AM +, Tom Hughes wrote: On 12/03/13 09:17, Jochen Topf wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 09:12:39AM +, Tom Hughes wrote: Interesting - that change was Andy's idea and I think the thought was to reduce the damage done by any breakage and to ensure that

Re: [OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica

2013-03-12 Thread Andy Allan
On 12 March 2013 09:12, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: I am not sure it is a good idea to switch to water polygons. Those polygons are much more complicated because they contain lots of holes, so they are slower to render. I'd only do that if really necessary (for instance when you want

Re: [OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica

2013-03-12 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Tuesday 12 March 2013, Jochen Topf wrote: OSMCoastline first generates the land polygons, them splits them, then creates the water polygons as inverse from the lang polygons. If the land polygons are broken, so are the water polygons. So I don't think you can reduce the chance of breakage

[OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica

2013-03-11 Thread Jochen Topf
Hi! In the course of the Antarctica coastline update (see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Antarctica/Import_2013) we want to change how the coastline of Antarctica is represented in OSM. Specifically the coastline currently only works for the usual Mercator web maps but not other projections

Re: [OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica

2013-03-11 Thread Paul Norman
From: Jochen Topf [mailto:joc...@remote.org] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 9:27 AM Subject: [OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica Hi! In the course of the Antarctica coastline update (see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Antarctica/Import_2013) we want to change how the coastline

Re: [OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica

2013-03-11 Thread Jochen Topf
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:07:54AM -0700, Paul Norman wrote: From: Jochen Topf [mailto:joc...@remote.org] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 9:27 AM Subject: [OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica Hi! In the course of the Antarctica coastline update (see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica

2013-03-11 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Monday 11 March 2013, Jochen Topf wrote: I have described the details in this blog post: http://blog.jochentopf.com/2013-03-11-state-of-the-osm-coastline.html Have a look at the chapter about Antarctica. (The other stuff might be interesting, too, though.) Concerning the 180-degree-line -

Re: [OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica

2013-03-11 Thread Paul Norman
From: Jochen Topf [mailto:joc...@remote.org] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica If tile.osm.org has by now switched to using OSMCoastline and uses a current version there is no impact. If it still uses coastcheck it will break. I

Re: [OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica

2013-03-11 Thread Paul Norman
From: Christoph Hormann [mailto:chris_horm...@gmx.de] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica On Monday 11 March 2013, Jochen Topf wrote: I have described the details in this blog post: http://blog.jochentopf.com/2013-03-11-state

Re: [OSM-dev] Coastline changes Antarctica

2013-03-11 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Monday 11 March 2013, Paul Norman wrote: OSM data is in WGS84 and the line going from -180 to +180 goes across the entire world in this projection. This is how osm2pgsql interprets it and I believe most other tools. I know - but i was just musing about coastlines in an isolated manner.