Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-03-01 Thread Rodolfo Carvalho
I saw a truck with this logo earlier this week and it made me think about Racket: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/clubedotrecho/11-0013.jpg http://www.gruporaupp.com.br/logotipos_raupp/raupp_transportes.png -- Rodolfo Carvalho _ Racket Developers list:

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-03-01 Thread Andrew Kolotenko
On Thu, 2012-03-01 at 10:29 -0300, Rodolfo Carvalho wrote: I saw a truck with this logo earlier this week and it made me think about Racket: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/clubedotrecho/11-0013.jpg http://www.gruporaupp.com.br/logotipos_raupp/raupp_transportes.png A very

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-19 Thread Matthias Felleisen
I for one like both designs a lot. On Feb 19, 2012, at 12:09 AM, Neil Toronto wrote: On 02/18/2012 08:49 PM, Eli Barzilay wrote: An hour ago, Neil Toronto wrote: That's why after several attempts to connect the paren to the rest of the R I went back to Michael's original thing and left it

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-18 Thread Neil Toronto
I've attached my entry into the lambda + R prototype series. I went for symmetry on the lambda body, mimicked the round part of the Times New Roman R, and compromised as little as possible on the angle of the left leg. This is a very tricky logo idea, FWIW. The left-leg angle is always hard

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-18 Thread Eli Barzilay
An hour ago, Neil Toronto wrote: I've attached my entry into the lambda + R prototype series. I went for symmetry on the lambda body, mimicked the round part of the Times New Roman R, and compromised as little as possible on the angle of the left leg. This is a very tricky logo idea, FWIW.

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-18 Thread Neil Toronto
On 02/18/2012 08:49 PM, Eli Barzilay wrote: An hour ago, Neil Toronto wrote: That's why after several attempts to connect the paren to the rest of the R I went back to Michael's original thing and left it disconnected, and instead used the pointy serifs that match the pointy tips of the paren,

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-15 Thread Eli Barzilay
Yesterday, Neil Toronto wrote: I decided to play with this one a bit. I used PLT's lambda, put the r in the same style, and then made it into a lambda r.acket banner. Here's the deal, though. This one, even just the lambda r. in a circle, is pushing complexity. We've been approaching logo

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-15 Thread Matthias Felleisen
On Feb 15, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Eli Barzilay wrote: A logo exists primarily to make a good impression on outsiders. Filling it with too much meaning works actively against this. I second this too. And I actually do like Eli's direction. But it does need color. _

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-15 Thread Stephen Bloch
On Feb 15, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Eli Barzilay wrote: I tried a whole bunch of things with the version I suggested earlier, but they all suffer from looking like they're trying too much. (There were also similar suggestions, like the pregnant lambda, or the cult symbol, or the mirrored-2

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-15 Thread Norman Gray
Greetings. On 2012 Feb 14, at 20:37, Neil Toronto wrote: Here's the deal, though. This one, even just the lambda r. in a circle, is pushing complexity. We've been approaching logo design too much like language design, trying to cram as much semantic content as possible into a small space

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-15 Thread Michael W
I'm no graphics designer but I've been playing with Eli's logo a bit. I went gradient-happy; sorry. Here it is with a silvery sheen: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/219506/racket-logo/whitesilver-subtle.png Less subtle, darker silver: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/219506/racket-logo/silver.png I've been

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-15 Thread Matthias Felleisen
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/219506/racket-logo/circle-bluewhite.png Thanks You! I would love it if Neil and John put their mind to the above and turned into something they like. _ Racket Developers list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-15 Thread John Clements
On Feb 15, 2012, at 10:24 AM, Michael W wrote: I'm no graphics designer but I've been playing with Eli's logo a bit. I went gradient-happy; sorry. Here it is with a silvery sheen: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/219506/racket-logo/whitesilver-subtle.png Less subtle, darker silver:

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-15 Thread Neil Toronto
On 02/15/2012 12:21 PM, John Clements wrote: On Feb 15, 2012, at 10:24 AM, Michael W wrote: I'm no graphics designer but I've been playing with Eli's logo a bit. I went gradient-happy; sorry. Here it is with a silvery sheen: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/219506/racket-logo/whitesilver-subtle.png

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-15 Thread Eli Barzilay
11 hours ago, Michael W wrote: I'm no graphics designer but I've been playing with Eli's logo a bit. I went gradient-happy; sorry. [...] I've added them to the sequence in my directory -- start from http://tmp.barzilay.org/logo/whitesilver-subtle-=-ipage.html and hit right to go in

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-14 Thread Paulo J. Matos
Upon startup of DrRacket, create an animation that moves the lambda onto an r, and then complete with 'acket' as per Eli suggestion. That would be awesome, even though I don't know how hard would be to produce such animation. On 11/02/12 18:27, John Clements wrote: On Feb 11, 2012, at

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-14 Thread Neil Toronto
So do I. Ending it with a dot makes it feel like an unfinished program to me, parameterized on a Racket. Neil ⊥ On 02/13/2012 10:03 AM, Matthias Felleisen wrote: I do actually like the combination of lambda and r, though I am sure the color scheme could benefit from some variation. On Feb

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-14 Thread Neil Toronto
I decided to play with this one a bit. I used PLT's lambda, put the r in the same style, and then made it into a lambda r.acket banner. Here's the deal, though. This one, even just the lambda r. in a circle, is pushing complexity. We've been approaching logo design too much like language

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-14 Thread Neil Van Dyke
Neil Toronto wrote at 02/14/2012 03:37 PM: Here's the deal, though. This one, even just the lambda r. in a circle, is pushing complexity. We've been approaching logo design too much like language design, trying to cram as much semantic content as possible into a small space or into the fewest

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-14 Thread David T. Pierson
Hi all, Graphic design is not a strength of mine, but I had an idea that I don't think I've seen incorporated into any of the designs so far. Maybe someone will want to take it further. http://i.imgur.com/ExgM6.png A couple of points: My original idea was simply an italicized R and a λ. Then

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-13 Thread Norman Gray
Greetings. I've no real standing here -- this is an observation from the sidelines On 2012 Feb 13, at 06:05, SF wrote: Another way to combine lambda and capital R: http://i.imgur.com/PuGTE.png Combining the lambda and the R in this way looks like a very good idea to me. I can see the

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-13 Thread Jens Axel Søgaard
2012/2/12 Eli Barzilay e...@barzilay.org An hour ago, Michael W wrote: Or something with the parenthesis echo motif on the main site: http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5233/lambdarechopng.jpg This one is great! Here's a rough sketch that shows what I'm thinking of (using the shiny

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-13 Thread Eduardo Bellani
+1 for something like http://tmp.barzilay.org/cr.png On 02/12/2012 04:50 AM, Eli Barzilay wrote: An hour ago, Michael W wrote: Or something with the parenthesis echo motif on the main site: http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5233/lambdarechopng.jpg This one is great! The noisy parens are

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-13 Thread Stephen Bloch
On Feb 13, 2012, at 6:16 AM, Jens Axel Søgaard wrote: http://tmp.barzilay.org/cr.png From all the suggestions so far, this is the concept I like the best. (Imagine it rendered in the style of the new r-logo). Pros: * it is clear it is an R * it is clear R builds on lambda

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-13 Thread Vincent St-Amour
At Mon, 13 Feb 2012 01:05:57 -0500, SF wrote: While trying to refine that sketch I had the idea to extend the stem for a dynamic look, perhaps this would fit better in a circle: http://i.imgur.com/IywqK.png +1 That's my new favorite. Vincent _ Racket Developers

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-13 Thread Philippe Meunier
How about combining the ideas of http://i.imgur.com/PuGTE.png http://nxg.me.uk/temp/lambda-r.png (the one in the upper right) and http://tmp.barzilay.org/cr.png (forgetting about an explicit parenthesis) into a single, simple, new symbol like the one attached? (okay, it looks more like a lambda

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-13 Thread Vincent St-Amour
At Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:54:58 -0500, Philippe Meunier wrote: For some reason it slightly reminds me of a symbol for some religious cult or political party, which might or might not be a good thing. Were you thinking of this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_Rho Vincent _

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-13 Thread Norman Gray
On 2012 Feb 13, at 14:54, Philippe Meunier wrote: For some reason it slightly reminds me of a symbol for some religious cult or political party, which might or might not be a good thing. Whoa! Doesn't it just! Another thing that occurred to me, on the same model as before, is to go for an

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-13 Thread Matthias Felleisen
I do actually like the combination of lambda and r, though I am sure the color scheme could benefit from some variation. On Feb 13, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Norman Gray wrote: On 2012 Feb 13, at 14:54, Philippe Meunier wrote: For some reason it slightly reminds me of a symbol for some

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-13 Thread Norman Gray
Greetings. On 2012 Feb 13, at 17:03, Matthias Felleisen wrote: I do actually like the combination of lambda and r, though I am sure the color scheme could benefit from some variation. Less might be more, but http://nxg.me.uk/temp/lambda-r6.pdf shows an adjustment. The blue is a bit too

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-13 Thread Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
On Sun, Feb 12 2012, David Van Horn wrote: [...] Maybe an 'r' in different scripts can be considered? For example, an R rotunda: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_rotunda FWIW, I like this quite a bit. I think if you put this on the new background, you'd have a winner. For the very little

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-13 Thread SF
http://i.imgur.com/glpGB.png _ Racket Developers list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-12 Thread Neil Van Dyke
Eli Barzilay wrote at 02/12/2012 01:50 AM: An hour ago, Michael W wrote: http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5233/lambdarechopng.jpg http://tmp.barzilay.org/cr.png Yes! I think that cr.png has nailed the design. lambdarechopng.jpg especially got my attention before, but I

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-12 Thread Bloch Stephen
On Feb 12, 2012, at 1:50 AM, Eli Barzilay wrote: Here's a rough sketch that shows what I'm thinking of (using the shiny bg): http://tmp.barzilay.org/cr.png I like this. I haven't looked at all the various drafts people have come up with, but I would much rather not lose the lambda, and

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-12 Thread Vincent St-Amour
At Sun, 12 Feb 2012 01:50:33 -0500, Eli Barzilay wrote: http://tmp.barzilay.org/cr.png I like this one. I really like the idea of combining lambda with parentheses. The unbalanced paren bothers me a bit though. The pun can even be taken further by adding a ( on the left, smaller and fading

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-12 Thread David Van Horn
On 2/11/12 3:04 PM, Asumu Takikawa wrote: On 2012-02-11 13:23:46 -0500, Matthias Felleisen wrote: Have you guys considered a small change that makes the 'r' more lambda-ish? Maybe an 'r' in different scripts can be considered? For example, an R rotunda:

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-12 Thread John Clements
On Feb 12, 2012, at 9:37 AM, David Van Horn wrote: On 2/11/12 3:04 PM, Asumu Takikawa wrote: On 2012-02-11 13:23:46 -0500, Matthias Felleisen wrote: Have you guys considered a small change that makes the 'r' more lambda-ish? Maybe an 'r' in different scripts can be considered? For

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-12 Thread ozzloy-racket-dev
+1 for cr.png or something very much like it. the unbalanced round bracket also bothers me, but cr3 no longer looks like an R, it looks like a lambda with arms. that just made me wonder: has a mascot been considered? github has those cute octocats. i get people asking me about the sticker on my

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-12 Thread Vincent St-Amour
At Sun, 12 Feb 2012 11:01:44 -0800, John Clements wrote: I like this general idea. It seems to me that we're headed toward some kind of translucent ball with bands around it. If the sideways band is more visible through the ball, you get the R effect that people are seeing. This loses the

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-12 Thread Robby Findler
FWIW, I think it is hard to tell what John sees by just reading a paragraph. So, how about holding off on the naysaying until you see what he actually produces? Robby On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Vincent St-Amour stamo...@ccs.neu.edu wrote: At Sun, 12 Feb 2012 11:01:44 -0800, John Clements

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-12 Thread Eli Barzilay
20 minutes ago, Vincent St-Amour wrote: At Sun, 12 Feb 2012 11:01:44 -0800, John Clements wrote: I like this general idea. It seems to me that we're headed toward some kind of translucent ball with bands around it. If the sideways band is more visible through the ball, you get the R

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-12 Thread Robby Findler
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Neil Toronto neil.toro...@gmail.com wrote: (Robby already said no to animations, but he has to do what you say, right? :p) For the record, I don't oppose animations. I said that privately in a series of messages to John and Neil to get the r logo (that John sent

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-12 Thread Neil Toronto
On 02/12/2012 05:58 PM, Robby Findler wrote: On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Neil Torontoneil.toro...@gmail.com wrote: (Robby already said no to animations, but he has to do what you say, right? :p) For the record, I don't oppose animations. I said that privately in a series of messages to

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-12 Thread SF
Hello, I'd like to contribute some food for thought to this great conversation. Parentheses are not a very memorable logo element. If they are used perhaps they should replace the background circle? Like (R) but smaller and more stylish. Another way to combine lambda and capital R:

[racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-11 Thread Matthias Felleisen
John and Neil, we seem to have lost momentum on this discussion. For the record, I like the idea of changing our logo a bit. I like the direction in which is evolving, though I will admit that losing the lambda completely. Have you guys considered a small change that makes the 'r' more

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-11 Thread Robby Findler
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 12:27 PM, John Clements cleme...@brinckerhoff.org wrote: On Feb 11, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Matthias Felleisen wrote: John and Neil, we seem to have lost momentum on this discussion. For the record, I like the idea of changing our logo a bit. I like the direction in

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-11 Thread Matthias Felleisen
On Feb 11, 2012, at 1:27 PM, John Clements wrote: Would it be productive to choose one randomly on startup? Also, in case it's not obvious, a rotated and flipped version of the logo does recall the lambda pretty clearly: racket-logo-plastic-rotflip-256x256.png Re-rendering the image

Re: [racket-dev] new logo [and 1 more messages]

2012-02-11 Thread Eli Barzilay
An hour ago, John Clements wrote: Would it be productive to choose one randomly on startup? (That's avoiding the issue, since a logo is something that eventually needs to be a distinct thing.) Also, in case it's not obvious, a rotated and flipped version of the logo does recall the lambda

Re: [racket-dev] new logo [and 1 more messages]

2012-02-11 Thread Matthias Felleisen
Eli, with due respect, but I think we know where you stand. If my memory serves correctly, you have collectively sent as many emails/opinions as the rest of the people together :-) -- Matthias p.s. conceptual art is good art -- helga says so. In that sense, making people think about your

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-11 Thread Asumu Takikawa
On 2012-02-11 13:23:46 -0500, Matthias Felleisen wrote: Have you guys considered a small change that makes the 'r' more lambda-ish? Maybe an 'r' in different scripts can be considered? For example, an R rotunda: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_rotunda Or perhaps a script capital R: ℛ (if that

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-11 Thread John Clements
On Feb 11, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 1:27 PM, John Clements cleme...@brinckerhoff.org wrote: Also, in case it's not obvious, a rotated and flipped version of the logo does recall the lambda pretty clearly: And here I thought this [attached]

Re: [racket-dev] new logo [and 1 more messages]

2012-02-11 Thread Eli Barzilay
20 minutes ago, Matthias Felleisen wrote: p.s. conceptual art is good art -- helga says so. In that sense, making people think about your logo is *very* good. This is not art (not in the same sense that you're using here). A logo is not art in the sense of making people think. Logos are

Re: [racket-dev] new logo [and 1 more messages]

2012-02-11 Thread Robby Findler
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Eli Barzilay e...@barzilay.org wrote: (They also have a bunch of additional features that are needed for making a good logo, which the r doesn't have.) I realize this is a judgment call, but the link with 5 bullets you sent seem to all be met by the current

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-11 Thread Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Matthias Felleisen matth...@ccs.neu.edu wrote: For the record, I like the idea of changing our logo a bit. I like the direction in which is evolving, though I will admit that losing the lambda completely. First, I really like the new logo -- the improvement is

Re: [racket-dev] new logo [and 1 more messages]

2012-02-11 Thread Stefan Schmiedl
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:00:48 -0500 Matthias Felleisen matth...@ccs.neu.edu wrote: In that sense, making people think about your logo is *very* good. r: Oh look, they molded a r into the red/blue circle, because it's called racket. I guess everybody will get this immediately and most will

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-11 Thread Neil Toronto
On 02/11/2012 11:40 AM, Matthias Felleisen wrote: On Feb 11, 2012, at 1:27 PM, John Clements wrote: Would it be productive to choose one randomly on startup? Also, in case it's not obvious, a rotated and flipped version of the logo does recall the lambda pretty clearly:

Re: [racket-dev] new logo

2012-02-11 Thread Michael W
I also wonder if we couldn't combine both the R and the lambda in interesting ways. The left part and the stem of a capital R sort of looks like a lambda, if you squint right. Could we exploit this property somehow? http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/6555/scriptr.jpg Going from the other