Re: Attic? Was: Re: Lotj - languages other than java

2016-07-07 Thread Peter
:49 pm To: dev@river.apache.org <dev@river.apache.org> Subject: Re: Attic? Was: Re: Lotj - languages other than java I look at git in terms of the ease of use for branch/merge patterns and the support of pull requests for code review and historical change tracking. It is really far sup

Re: Attic? Was: Re: Lotj - languages other than java

2016-07-06 Thread Bryan Thompson
I look at git in terms of the ease of use for branch/merge patterns and the support of pull requests for code review and historical change tracking. It is really far superior in its flexibility. Even just the diff facility if a big step forward. I do agree that projects benefit significantly

Re: Attic? Was: Re: Lotj - languages other than java

2016-07-06 Thread Peter
.     Include original message Original message From: Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org> Sent: 06/07/2016 08:36:37 pm To: dev@river.apache.org Subject: Re: Attic? Was: Re: Lotj - languages other than java Are we changing the minimum supported Java version for user code? If so,  we definitel

Re: Attic? Was: Re: Lotj - languages other than java

2016-07-06 Thread Patricia Shanahan
with agreed versioning, but it would avoid a lot of updates to JIRA. Regards, Peter. Sent from my Samsung device. Include original message Original message From: Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org> Sent: 06/07/2016 06:59:14 pm To: dev@river.apache.org Subject: Re: Attic? Was: Re: Lotj - lan

Re: Attic? Was: Re: Lotj - languages other than java

2016-07-06 Thread Peter
, but it would avoid a lot of updates to JIRA. Regards, Peter. Sent from my Samsung device.     Include original message Original message From: Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org> Sent: 06/07/2016 06:59:14 pm To: dev@river.apache.org Subject: Re: Attic? Was: Re: Lotj - languages othe

Re: Attic? Was: Re: Lotj - languages other than java

2016-07-06 Thread Patricia Shanahan
I just hope a move to git does not become yet another reason to delay a release. A few months ago we were really close - just a matter of fixing a qa build failure. On 7/5/2016 11:44 PM, Peter wrote: Thanks Brian, Hang in there, I think we can get back on track without fragmenting, I've seen

Re: Attic? Was: Re: Lotj - languages other than java

2016-07-06 Thread Simon IJskes - QCG
On 05-07-16 14:51, Bryan Thompson wrote: GitHub (at least) provides excellent tracking. It is a matter of how you define policy for PRs. We do not accept PRs unless the author is a contributor with appropriate CLAs for the project. So it works out very nicely for us. Every single commit and

Re: Attic? Was: Re: Lotj - languages other than java

2016-07-06 Thread Peter
Thanks Brian, Hang in there, I think we can get back on track without fragmenting, I've seen the developers on this project work well together in the past. I do agree GitHub is less work for releases, I'm going to attempt to get access to Apache's git wip repository. My experience has been

Re: Attic? Was: Re: Lotj - languages other than java

2016-07-05 Thread Peter
Thanks Patricia, I can follow up with infra. Regards, Peter. Sent from my Samsung device.     Include original message Original message From: Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org> Sent: 05/07/2016 07:12:20 pm To: dev@river.apache.org Subject: Re: Attic? Was: Re: Lotj - languages othe

Re: Attic? Was: Re: Lotj - languages other than java

2016-07-05 Thread Tom Hobbs
+1 for Bryan’s PR/GitHub email. I don’t see any way we couldn’t attribute any code change to some user with a CLA active at any given time. I don’t think the attic represents defeat, I’m reluctant to let it go to the attic but right now it seems that more work is being done on the ASF

Re: Attic? Was: Re: Lotj - languages other than java

2016-07-05 Thread Bryan Thompson
GitHub (at least) provides excellent tracking. It is a matter of how you define policy for PRs. We do not accept PRs unless the author is a contributor with appropriate CLAs for the project. So it works out very nicely for us. Every single commit and its authorship remains visible and that

Re: Attic? Was: Re: Lotj - languages other than java

2016-07-05 Thread Patricia Shanahan
On 7/5/2016 1:26 AM, Peter wrote: Can we move to git, without moving to GitHub? Not currently. There is an experiment underway for a system that uses GitHub with an Apache-controlled mirror. I will look again at the status of that project. We can get a read-only git mirror. See

Re: Attic? Was: Re: Lotj - languages other than java

2016-07-05 Thread Peter
Can we move to git, without moving to GitHub? https://www.linux.com/blog/apache-hadoop-transitions-git A concern I have with moving to GitHub is DCMA take down notices and IP: https://github.com/github/dmca The Apache foundation provides us with legal support as well as governance. I always

Re: Attic? Was: Re: Lotj - languages other than java

2016-07-04 Thread Patricia Shanahan
See https://attic.apache.org/ for an introduction. The question I am raising is whether River is viable as an Apache project, not whether it is a valuable body of code. Your second paragraph is exactly my point. Apache brings some good stuff to its projects in the form of licensing with

Re: Attic? Was: Re: Lotj - languages other than java

2016-07-04 Thread Bryan Thompson
I am just not that familiar with Apache policy. However, river is a real, functional, deployed in use platform. I certainly agree that there is deadlock at this point in terms of the people and process. However, I am not sure that an attic is the right place for a well grounded and fielded

Attic? Was: Re: Lotj - languages other than java

2016-07-04 Thread Patricia Shanahan
I think it is time to raise on the user list moving River to the attic. There is no sign of progress on a release. What interest there is in development seems to be going in different directions. Using portions of River code in other projects would still be feasible with it in the attic, but