Re: DigiCert policy violation - non-disclosure of https://crt.sh/?id=160110886

2017-07-04 Thread Nick Lamb via dev-security-policy
On Tuesday, 4 July 2017 10:50:43 UTC+1, Jeremy Rowley wrote: > I'm an idiot. The discussion wasn't meant to be a red herring. Just a > momentary lapse in intelligence... > > It really looks like this from a validation perspective, right? EE -> > Self-signed -> Issuing CA (as it has the same key)

RE: DigiCert policy violation - non-disclosure of https://crt.sh/?id=160110886

2017-07-04 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
ce. > > -Original Message- > From: Rob Stradling [mailto:rob.stradl...@comodo.com] > Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 2:14 PM > To: Jeremy Rowley ; > mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org > Subject: Re: DigiCert policy violation - non-disclosure of > https://crt.

RE: DigiCert policy violation - non-disclosure of https://crt.sh/?id=160110886

2017-07-04 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
.@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: DigiCert policy violation - non-disclosure of https://crt.sh/?id=160110886 On Tuesday, 4 July 2017 02:37:36 UTC+1, Jeremy Rowley wrote: > [JR] Well yeah - but this one is self-signed and self-issued, so how > does it chain? This seems to be a source of conf

Re: DigiCert policy violation - non-disclosure of https://crt.sh/?id=160110886

2017-07-04 Thread Rob Stradling via dev-security-policy
al Message- From: Rob Stradling [mailto:rob.stradl...@comodo.com] Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 2:14 PM To: Jeremy Rowley ; mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: DigiCert policy violation - non-disclosure of https://crt.sh/?id=160110886 On 03/07/17 16:10, Jeremy Rowley via dev-securit

Re: DigiCert policy violation - non-disclosure of https://crt.sh/?id=160110886

2017-07-04 Thread Nick Lamb via dev-security-policy
On Tuesday, 4 July 2017 02:37:36 UTC+1, Jeremy Rowley wrote: > [JR] Well yeah - but this one is self-signed and self-issued, so how does it > chain? This seems to be a source of confusion for a lot of people, several people have posted queries about it to Stack Overflow or its sister Q&A systems

RE: DigiCert policy violation - non-disclosure of https://crt.sh/?id=160110886

2017-07-03 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Thanks Nick. I'm missing something on this, so I appreciate the help so far. I replied to each section. Perhaps you have confused transitivity with commutativity or one of the other simple properties. Transitivity is the property whereby if F(A,B) and F(B,C) then F(A,C), for example the "greater

Re: DigiCert policy violation - non-disclosure of https://crt.sh/?id=160110886

2017-07-03 Thread Nick Lamb via dev-security-policy
On Monday, 3 July 2017 23:05:53 UTC+1, Jeremy Rowley wrote: > And it's hardly fair to deride my lack of understanding on what transitive > trust entails in the digital certificate space considering it's outside of > the usual trust paths, not defined in the standard RFCs, and not the same as > the

RE: DigiCert policy violation - non-disclosure of https://crt.sh/?id=160110886

2017-07-03 Thread Ben Wilson via dev-security-policy
urity-policy Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 4:05 PM To: Nick Lamb ; mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org Subject: RE: DigiCert policy violation - non-disclosure of https://crt.sh/?id=160110886 "Previously accepted without comment" is hardly accurate. There's lots of comments o

RE: DigiCert policy violation - non-disclosure of https://crt.sh/?id=160110886

2017-07-03 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
y-pol...@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: DigiCert policy violation - non-disclosure of https://crt.sh/?id=160110886 On Monday, 3 July 2017 22:00:00 UTC+1, Jeremy Rowley wrote: > Link please to a formal definition? As your email alleges a policy violation by one a cross-signed CAs, we take the i

Re: DigiCert policy violation - non-disclosure of https://crt.sh/?id=160110886

2017-07-03 Thread Nick Lamb via dev-security-policy
On Monday, 3 July 2017 22:00:00 UTC+1, Jeremy Rowley wrote: > Link please to a formal definition? As your email alleges a policy violation > by one a cross-signed CAs, we take the investigation and response very > seriously. I'd like to know the basis for the definition before formulating > an

RE: DigiCert policy violation - non-disclosure of https://crt.sh/?id=160110886

2017-07-03 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
r non-compliance. -Original Message- From: Rob Stradling [mailto:rob.stradl...@comodo.com] Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 2:14 PM To: Jeremy Rowley ; mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: DigiCert policy violation - non-disclosure of https://crt.sh/?id=160110886 On 03/07/17

Re: DigiCert policy violation - non-disclosure of https://crt.sh/?id=160110886

2017-07-03 Thread Rob Stradling via dev-security-policy
On 03/07/17 16:10, Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy wrote: I am surprised you decided to fork the thread from here https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.security.policy/sNDN6q26_uM where this was already being discussed. Seems unnecessary. Hi Jeremy. That thread discusses

RE: DigiCert policy violation - non-disclosure of https://crt.sh/?id=160110886

2017-07-03 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
I am surprised you decided to fork the thread from here https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.security.policy/sNDN6q26_uM where this was already being discussed. Seems unnecessary. I don't agree this is a policy violation, and I doubt any CA not involved in the previously mention