Re: Auditing of CA facilities in lockdown because of an environmental disaster/pandemic

2020-03-27 Thread Kathleen Wilson via dev-security-policy
All, Just FYI that I updated the CA Incident Dashboard wiki page to separate the audit delay bugs into their own section. https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA/Incident_Dashboard#Audit_Delays Thanks, Kathleen ___ dev-security-policy mailing list

Re: Auditing of CA facilities in lockdown because of an environmental disaster/pandemic

2020-03-23 Thread Kathleen Wilson via dev-security-policy
It's still very much a work-in-progress, but I updated the first bullet point in the "Minimum Expectations" section again. https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA/Audit_Statements#Audit_Delay "" Both ETSI and WebTrust Audits should: - Disclose each location (at the state/province level) that was included

RE: Auditing of CA facilities in lockdown because of an environmental disaster/pandemic

2020-03-23 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Although I’m sure every CA has business continuity plans, I think that extended blocked access to every data center they have may not be part of that plan. I’m not sure, but I think if the required shelter’s are in place for long periods you may start to see problems. Early disclosure sounds

Re: Auditing of CA facilities in lockdown because of an environmental disaster/pandemic

2020-03-21 Thread Jeff Ward via dev-security-policy
On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 3:55:08 PM UTC-5, Ryan Sleevi wrote: > On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 4:07 PM Kathleen Wilson via dev-security-policy < > dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > > > My question: What should "location" mean in the above requirement? > > > > The WebTrust Practitioner

Re: Auditing of CA facilities in lockdown because of an environmental disaster/pandemic

2020-03-20 Thread Kathleen Wilson via dev-security-policy
On 3/20/20 1:15 PM, Jeremy Rowley wrote: What about issues other than audits? For example, with certain locations closing, key ceremonies may become impossible, leading to downed CRLs/OCSP for intermediates. There's also a potential issue with trusted roles even being able to access the data

Re: Auditing of CA facilities in lockdown because of an environmental disaster/pandemic

2020-03-20 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 4:15 PM Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > What about issues other than audits? For example, with certain locations > closing, key ceremonies may become impossible, leading to downed CRLs/OCSP > for intermediates.

Re: Auditing of CA facilities in lockdown because of an environmental disaster/pandemic

2020-03-20 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 4:07 PM Kathleen Wilson via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > My question: What should "location" mean in the above requirement? > The WebTrust Practitioner Guidance offers a reasonable definition:

RE: Auditing of CA facilities in lockdown because of an environmental disaster/pandemic

2020-03-20 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
What about issues other than audits? For example, with certain locations closing, key ceremonies may become impossible, leading to downed CRLs/OCSP for intermediates. There's also a potential issue with trusted roles even being able to access the data center if something goes down and Sub CAs

Re: Auditing of CA facilities in lockdown because of an environmental disaster/pandemic

2020-03-20 Thread Kathleen Wilson via dev-security-policy
All, I will greatly appreciate your ideas about the following. In the Minimum Expectations section in https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA/Audit_Statements#Audit_Delay I added: "" * Both ETSI and WebTrust Audits must: ** Disclose each location that was included in the scope of the audit, as well as

Re: Auditing of CA facilities in lockdown because of an environmental disaster/pandemic

2020-03-19 Thread Kathleen Wilson via dev-security-policy
On 3/18/20 5:16 PM, Ryan Sleevi wrote: Suggestions: 1) Rename "Audit Delay" to [audit-delay] and rename "Audit Delay COVID-19" to [audit-delay] [covid-19] or [audit-delay-covid-19], depending Rationale: In general, our filters work on word searches, so the brackets brackets help distinguish the

Re: Auditing of CA facilities in lockdown because of an environmental disaster/pandemic

2020-03-18 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
Suggestions: 1) Rename "Audit Delay" to [audit-delay] and rename "Audit Delay COVID-19" to [audit-delay] [covid-19] or [audit-delay-covid-19], depending Rationale: In general, our filters work on word searches, so the brackets brackets help distinguish the two. To search for "Audit Delay" without

Re: Auditing of CA facilities in lockdown because of an environmental disaster/pandemic

2020-03-18 Thread Kathleen Wilson via dev-security-policy
All, I will greatly appreciate your input on the following new "Audit Delay" section. https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA/Audit_Statements#Audit_Delay Thanks, Kathleen PS: I moved the content of https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA/Audit_Letter_Validation to https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA/Audit_Statements

Re: Auditing of CA facilities in lockdown because of an environmental disaster/pandemic

2020-03-12 Thread clemens.wanko--- via dev-security-policy
Situation from ACAB'c ETSI auditors point of view: On one hand it is quite simple: if the auditor cannot perform the audit as foreseen in the certification program no certificate can be issued. In case a surveillance audit cannot be performed, the certification body must withdraw the affected

Re: Auditing of CA facilities in lockdown because of an environmental disaster/pandemic

2020-03-07 Thread Jeff Ward via dev-security-policy
On Saturday, March 7, 2020 at 8:24:57 AM UTC-6, Ryan Sleevi wrote: > On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 9:03 PM jwardcpa--- via dev-security-policy < > dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > > > Great follow on questions Ryan. As far as the detailed report, whether > > the end product is in the

Re: Auditing of CA facilities in lockdown because of an environmental disaster/pandemic

2020-03-07 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 9:03 PM jwardcpa--- via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > Great follow on questions Ryan. As far as the detailed report, whether > the end product is in the current form, or in the detailed version, the > lead auditor is taking full

Re: Auditing of CA facilities in lockdown because of an environmental disaster/pandemic

2020-03-06 Thread jwardcpa--- via dev-security-policy
On Friday, March 6, 2020 at 12:13:49 PM UTC-6, Ryan Sleevi wrote: > Thanks Jeff, > > This is incredibly helpful to understand the approach (and limitations) > that are relevant in the context of a WebTrust report. I'm hoping our ETSI > colleagues might provide a similar level of detail, as I

Re: Auditing of CA facilities in lockdown because of an environmental disaster/pandemic

2020-03-06 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
Thanks Jeff, This is incredibly helpful to understand the approach (and limitations) that are relevant in the context of a WebTrust report. I'm hoping our ETSI colleagues might provide a similar level of detail, as I suspect this is hardly "just" a WebTrust problem at this point. On Fri, Mar 6,

Re: Auditing of CA facilities in lockdown because of an environmental disaster/pandemic

2020-03-06 Thread jwardcpa--- via dev-security-policy
Certainly, situations such as the outbreak of COVID-19 (Coronavirus) provide significant business challenges, not to mention all of the heartache felt by those suffering personally. From a business standpoint, the outbreak of the Coronavirus is a reminder how fragile companies are to events

Re: Auditing of CA facilities in lockdown because of an environmental disaster/pandemic

2020-03-04 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
Thanks Arvid! I think these are good starting points for discussion! On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 8:48 AM Arvid Vermote wrote: > When I initially raised the topic I had two things in mind: > > -What if a facility can’t be audited? > > -If main key management facilities are down can

RE: Auditing of CA facilities in lockdown because of an environmental disaster/pandemic

2020-03-04 Thread Arvid Vermote via dev-security-policy
When I initially raised the topic I had two things in mind: -What if a facility can’t be audited? -If main key management facilities are down can WebPKI CA meet SSLBR 4.9.1.2? As for the inability to audit, a few things come to mind based on the previous shared thoughts: -

Re: Auditing of CA facilities in lockdown because of an environmental disaster/pandemic

2020-02-28 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
Hi Arvid, I wanted to follow-up, and see if you had suggestions or ideas here for appropriate next steps. Understandably, as more countries are affected, this will no doubt continue to be an issue. I think you're spot on for asking early, as you did, and I'm hoping GlobalSign (and others!) might

Re: Auditing of CA facilities in lockdown because of an environmental disaster/pandemic

2020-02-20 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 4:58 PM Kathleen Wilson via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > We will continue to follow our standard process to adjudicate the issue > regarding failures to provide CA audit statements [1] and we will work > with the impacted CAs

Re: Auditing of CA facilities in lockdown because of an environmental disaster/pandemic

2020-02-20 Thread Kathleen Wilson via dev-security-policy
All, First, I would like to add a personal note that I am truly sorry about the many people, families, and colleagues that are being impacted by the Coronavirus. This is a heartbreaking situation. At Mozilla, our responsibility lies in ensuring people's security and privacy as they navigate

Re: Auditing of CA facilities in lockdown because of an environmental disaster/pandemic

2020-02-20 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
What would/should be the expected response if a natural disaster/act of God happened and the security of the key material could not be assured by an independent third party? For example, an earthquake, typhoon, or military coup disrupting travel to location(s) with the key material? Similarly,

Auditing of CA facilities in lockdown because of an environmental disaster/pandemic

2020-02-19 Thread Arvid Vermote via dev-security-policy
COVID-19 is going on and there currently is a quarantine of certain areas in China and also alert levels are further raising in other (mainly East-Asian) countries. How will the root programs approach CA facilities with key material that are in a lockdown or in a territory that is not