Re: List volume and issue tracking

[Huxing Zhang]

Hi All,

Per discussion on the JIRA ticket [1], Infra cannot differentiate
different types of github notices, so all github notices for PRs and
Issues must go to the same list.
So the finally solution here is:

dev@ -- the development community's discussions
commits@ -- commit emails
notifications@ -- PR notifications and emails related to Github Issues

The above change has been taken. So PRs/Issues notification won't come
in from now on.

If you have interest in the PRs/Issues notification, please subscribe
to notificati...@dubbo.apache.org separately.

[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-16330

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 5:25 PM, Huxing Zhang  wrote:
> Hi mentors,
>
> JIRA ticket has been created here:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-16330
>
> Please help to create notification@ list.
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Huxing Zhang  wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> 72 hours has passed, the following votes were cast:
>>
>> Binding:
>> +1: Huxing Zhang, Wang Xin, Ian Luo, Mercy Ma
>>
>> Non-Binding:
>> +1: shang zonghai,  Yong Zhu,  wanhuhou, Minxuan Zhuang
>>
>> The vote therefore passes.
>>
>> I will request the infra to split the traffic.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Huxing Zhang  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 9:57 PM, John D. Ament  wrote:
 Just wondering, does anyone care what the new list is called? Does using
 notifications@ for now make the most sense, and potentially split that even
 further?
>>>
>>> notifications@ sound good.
>>>

 FWIW, this isn't the only project I'm seeing this with.  We may need to
 change some of our podling setup processes to account for the higher volume
 generated by gitbox.
>>>
>>> Given that there are 37~ pull request per month (mentioned in April's 
>>> report),
>>> ~100 including comments, I think there is no need to split it even further.
>>>

 John

 On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 3:09 AM Minxuan Zhuang  wrote:

> +1
>
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 3:08 PM, shang zonghai 
> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > yiji
> >
>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best Regards！
>>> Huxing
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards！
>> Huxing
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards！
> Huxing

-- 
Best Regards！
Huxing

Re: List volume and issue tracking

[Huxing Zhang]

Hi mentors,

JIRA ticket has been created here:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-16330

Please help to create notification@ list.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Huxing Zhang  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> 72 hours has passed, the following votes were cast:
>
> Binding:
> +1: Huxing Zhang, Wang Xin, Ian Luo, Mercy Ma
>
> Non-Binding:
> +1: shang zonghai,  Yong Zhu,  wanhuhou, Minxuan Zhuang
>
> The vote therefore passes.
>
> I will request the infra to split the traffic.
>
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Huxing Zhang  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 9:57 PM, John D. Ament  wrote:
>>> Just wondering, does anyone care what the new list is called? Does using
>>> notifications@ for now make the most sense, and potentially split that even
>>> further?
>>
>> notifications@ sound good.
>>
>>>
>>> FWIW, this isn't the only project I'm seeing this with.  We may need to
>>> change some of our podling setup processes to account for the higher volume
>>> generated by gitbox.
>>
>> Given that there are 37~ pull request per month (mentioned in April's 
>> report),
>> ~100 including comments, I think there is no need to split it even further.
>>
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 3:09 AM Minxuan Zhuang  wrote:
>>>
 +1

 On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 3:08 PM, shang zonghai 
 wrote:

 > +1
 >
 > Kind regards,
 > yiji
 >

>>
>> --
>> Best Regards！
>> Huxing
>
> --
> Best Regards！
> Huxing



-- 
Best Regards！
Huxing

Re: List volume and issue tracking

[Huxing Zhang]

Hi All,

72 hours has passed, the following votes were cast:

Binding:
+1: Huxing Zhang, Wang Xin, Ian Luo, Mercy Ma

Non-Binding:
+1: shang zonghai,  Yong Zhu,  wanhuhou, Minxuan Zhuang

The vote therefore passes.

I will request the infra to split the traffic.

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Huxing Zhang  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 9:57 PM, John D. Ament  wrote:
>> Just wondering, does anyone care what the new list is called? Does using
>> notifications@ for now make the most sense, and potentially split that even
>> further?
>
> notifications@ sound good.
>
>>
>> FWIW, this isn't the only project I'm seeing this with.  We may need to
>> change some of our podling setup processes to account for the higher volume
>> generated by gitbox.
>
> Given that there are 37~ pull request per month (mentioned in April's report),
> ~100 including comments, I think there is no need to split it even further.
>
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 3:09 AM Minxuan Zhuang  wrote:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 3:08 PM, shang zonghai 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > +1
>>> >
>>> > Kind regards,
>>> > yiji
>>> >
>>>
>
> --
> Best Regards！
> Huxing

-- 
Best Regards！
Huxing

Re: List volume and issue tracking

[John D. Ament]

Just wondering, does anyone care what the new list is called? Does using
notifications@ for now make the most sense, and potentially split that even
further?

FWIW, this isn't the only project I'm seeing this with.  We may need to
change some of our podling setup processes to account for the higher volume
generated by gitbox.

John

On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 3:09 AM Minxuan Zhuang  wrote:

> +1
>
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 3:08 PM, shang zonghai 
> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > yiji
> >
>

Re: List volume and issue tracking

[Minxuan Zhuang]

+1

On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 3:08 PM, shang zonghai 
wrote:

> +1
>
> Kind regards,
> yiji
>

Re: List volume and issue tracking

[shang zonghai]

+1

Kind regards,
yiji

Re: List volume and issue tracking

[Mercy]

+1.

Kind regards,
Mercy Ma


在 2018/4/8 下午2:52, wanhuhou 写道:

+1
from Alimail Windows--发件人：Wang 
Xin<lovep...@hotmail.com>日　期：2018年04月08日 
14:50:53收件人：dev@dubbo.apache.org<dev@dubbo.apache.org>抄　送：Ian Luo<ian@gmail.com>; 
us...@infra.apache.org<us...@infra.apache.org>主　题：Re: List volume and issue tracking+1，It’s good.
dev@ -- the development community's discussions
commits@ -- commit emails
issues@ -- all emails related to issues (GitHub/Jira)
notifications@ -- PR notifications, etc



Xin Wang
lovep...@hotmail.com<mailto:lovep...@hotmail.com>



在 2018年4月8日，下午2:40，Yong Zhu <diecui1...@gmail.com<mailto:diecui1...@gmail.com>> 
写道：

2018-04-08 14:36 GMT+08:00 Huxing Zhang 
<hux...@apache.org<mailto:hux...@apache.org>>:

+1

This breakdown looks good to me.


+1, It sounds good.



On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 2:25 PM, Greg Stein 
<gst...@gmail.com<mailto:gst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Many projects choose this pattern:

dev@ -- the development community's discussions
commits@ -- commit emails
issues@ -- all emails related to issues (GitHub/Jira)
notifications@ -- PR notifications, etc

All GitHub activity is required to be delivered to an ASF mailing list.
It
is up to the (P)PMC to choose which/how. But they cannot be sent to
/dev/null. The above pattern generally provides the right breakdown for
what information people what to monitor.

Cheers,
Greg Stein
Infrastructure Administrator, ASF


On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Ian Luo 
<ian@gmail.com<mailto:ian@gmail.com>> wrote:

I think this can be solved by distinguishing github notifications from
regular dev@dubbo.apache.org<mailto:dev@dubbo.apache.org> traffic.  For github 
notifications,
including issue and pull request, the update message should only go to
the
interested parties who are involved in this particular topic, but @dev
should never be the audience.

I guess @dev mail list is configured in 'Settings -> Integrations &
Services -> Email' for 
github.com/apache/inclubator-dubbo*<http://github.com/apache/inclubator-dubbo*> 
projects. I
am
not sure who I should contact therefore I am here cc-ing
us...@infra.apache.org<mailto:us...@infra.apache.org>.

I suggest to remove @dev mail list from github subscription list.

Thanks,
-Ian.



On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 5:55 PM, Huxing Zhang 
<hux...@apache.org<mailto:hux...@apache.org>> wrote:

Hi,

I am +1 on split the traffic of @dev list.

The issue appears after migrating repo to ASF. I use
"label:asf-dubbo-dev -[github]" to filter out them. :(

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Yong Zhu 
<diecui1...@gmail.com<mailto:diecui1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I have the same feeling.

IMO, all the issue emails should be sent to 
iss...@dubbo.apache.org<mailto:iss...@dubbo.apache.org>,
all

+1. All issues and the comments should go there.

the PR emails should be sent to 
comm...@dubbo.apache.org<mailto:comm...@dubbo.apache.org>. How do you
think?

-1. commit@ are used when code are committed to repo, I don't think
PRs should go there.
Once a PR is accepted, a message will be sent to commit@

My suggestion is PRs and the comments should go to issues@, or we can
create a new list prs@.

and who can help to fix this?

And I think we should use github issues, and move all the Jira
issues to
github.

2018-04-03 16:43 GMT+08:00 Mark Thomas 
<ma...@apache.org<mailto:ma...@apache.org>>:

All,

I've been away for just over a week and come back to find over 300
unread emails on the dev list.

A large proportion of these messages are comments on pull requests?
Is
dev@ the right list for those?

Another large proportion appear to be comments on issues? Is dev@
the
right list for those?

Generally, the recommendation is to split into multiple lists based
on
audience rather than topic. For some projects it therefore makes
sense
to have all dev related traffic going to a single list. For others,
particularly large projects, it makes sense to split the dev
traffic.

The project appears to be using GitHub issues and Jira. That is
confusing. I'd recommend that you select one issue tracker and stick
to it.

There was discussion[1] on the mailing list and the community has
decided to use github issues.
My understanding is that currently JIRA is only used for GSOC ideas
and track existing issues prior to that decision.
I am +0 on migrating the existing JIRA issues to github issues.


Finally, the github issues seem to be a mix of bugs and support
questions. Is that the way the podling wants to use github issues?

People get used to ask questions by creating an issue before joining
ASF.
The PPMC are trying to tell users to use mailing list to ask questions
by leaving message on the issues, so does the website.
But I think it will take some time.


I have no view on what the 'right' answers to the above questions

Re: List volume and issue tracking

[Ian Luo]

+1

It sounds very reasonable.

-Ian.

> On 8 Apr 2018, at 2:52 PM, wanhuhou <wanhu...@aliyun.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> +1
> from Alimail 
> Windows--发件人：Wang
>  Xin<lovep...@hotmail.com>日　期：2018年04月08日 
> 14:50:53收件人：dev@dubbo.apache.org<dev@dubbo.apache.org>抄　送：Ian 
> Luo<ian@gmail.com>; us...@infra.apache.org<us...@infra.apache.org>主　题：Re: 
> List volume and issue tracking+1，It’s good.
> dev@ -- the development community's discussions
> commits@ -- commit emails
> issues@ -- all emails related to issues (GitHub/Jira)
> notifications@ -- PR notifications, etc
> 
> 
> 
> Xin Wang
> lovep...@hotmail.com<mailto:lovep...@hotmail.com>
> 
> 
> 
> 在 2018年4月8日，下午2:40，Yong Zhu 
> <diecui1...@gmail.com<mailto:diecui1...@gmail.com>> 写道：
> 
> 2018-04-08 14:36 GMT+08:00 Huxing Zhang 
> <hux...@apache.org<mailto:hux...@apache.org>>:
> 
> +1
> 
> This breakdown looks good to me.
> 
> 
> +1, It sounds good.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 2:25 PM, Greg Stein 
> <gst...@gmail.com<mailto:gst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Many projects choose this pattern:
> 
> dev@ -- the development community's discussions
> commits@ -- commit emails
> issues@ -- all emails related to issues (GitHub/Jira)
> notifications@ -- PR notifications, etc
> 
> All GitHub activity is required to be delivered to an ASF mailing list.
> It
> is up to the (P)PMC to choose which/how. But they cannot be sent to
> /dev/null. The above pattern generally provides the right breakdown for
> what information people what to monitor.
> 
> Cheers,
> Greg Stein
> Infrastructure Administrator, ASF
> 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Ian Luo 
> <ian@gmail.com<mailto:ian@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> I think this can be solved by distinguishing github notifications from
> regular dev@dubbo.apache.org<mailto:dev@dubbo.apache.org> traffic.  For 
> github notifications,
> including issue and pull request, the update message should only go to
> the
> interested parties who are involved in this particular topic, but @dev
> should never be the audience.
> 
> I guess @dev mail list is configured in 'Settings -> Integrations &
> Services -> Email' for 
> github.com/apache/inclubator-dubbo*<http://github.com/apache/inclubator-dubbo*>
>  projects. I
> am
> not sure who I should contact therefore I am here cc-ing
> us...@infra.apache.org<mailto:us...@infra.apache.org>.
> 
> I suggest to remove @dev mail list from github subscription list.
> 
> Thanks,
> -Ian.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 5:55 PM, Huxing Zhang 
> <hux...@apache.org<mailto:hux...@apache.org>> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am +1 on split the traffic of @dev list.
> 
> The issue appears after migrating repo to ASF. I use
> "label:asf-dubbo-dev -[github]" to filter out them. :(
> 
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Yong Zhu 
> <diecui1...@gmail.com<mailto:diecui1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I have the same feeling.
> 
> IMO, all the issue emails should be sent to 
> iss...@dubbo.apache.org<mailto:iss...@dubbo.apache.org>,
> all
> 
> +1. All issues and the comments should go there.
> 
> the PR emails should be sent to 
> comm...@dubbo.apache.org<mailto:comm...@dubbo.apache.org>. How do you
> think?
> 
> -1. commit@ are used when code are committed to repo, I don't think
> PRs should go there.
> Once a PR is accepted, a message will be sent to commit@
> 
> My suggestion is PRs and the comments should go to issues@, or we can
> create a new list prs@.
> 
> and who can help to fix this?
> 
> And I think we should use github issues, and move all the Jira
> issues to
> github.
> 
> 2018-04-03 16:43 GMT+08:00 Mark Thomas 
> <ma...@apache.org<mailto:ma...@apache.org>>:
> 
> All,
> 
> I've been away for just over a week and come back to find over 300
> unread emails on the dev list.
> 
> A large proportion of these messages are comments on pull requests?
> Is
> dev@ the right list for those?
> 
> Another large proportion appear to be comments on issues? Is dev@
> the
> right list for those?
> 
> Generally, the recommendation is to split into multiple lists based
> on
> audience rather than topic. For some projects it therefore makes
> sense
> to have all dev related traffic going to a single list. For others,
> particularly large projects, it makes sense to split the dev
> traffic.
> 
> The project appears to be using GitHub issues and Jira. That is
> confusing. I'd rec

Re: Re: List volume and issue tracking

[wanhuhou]

+1
from Alimail 
Windows--发件人：Wang
 Xin<lovep...@hotmail.com>日　期：2018年04月08日 
14:50:53收件人：dev@dubbo.apache.org<dev@dubbo.apache.org>抄　送：Ian 
Luo<ian@gmail.com>; us...@infra.apache.org<us...@infra.apache.org>主　题：Re: 
List volume and issue tracking+1，It’s good.
dev@ -- the development community's discussions
commits@ -- commit emails
issues@ -- all emails related to issues (GitHub/Jira)
notifications@ -- PR notifications, etc



Xin Wang
lovep...@hotmail.com<mailto:lovep...@hotmail.com>



在 2018年4月8日，下午2:40，Yong Zhu <diecui1...@gmail.com<mailto:diecui1...@gmail.com>> 
写道：

2018-04-08 14:36 GMT+08:00 Huxing Zhang 
<hux...@apache.org<mailto:hux...@apache.org>>:

+1

This breakdown looks good to me.


+1, It sounds good.



On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 2:25 PM, Greg Stein 
<gst...@gmail.com<mailto:gst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Many projects choose this pattern:

dev@ -- the development community's discussions
commits@ -- commit emails
issues@ -- all emails related to issues (GitHub/Jira)
notifications@ -- PR notifications, etc

All GitHub activity is required to be delivered to an ASF mailing list.
It
is up to the (P)PMC to choose which/how. But they cannot be sent to
/dev/null. The above pattern generally provides the right breakdown for
what information people what to monitor.

Cheers,
Greg Stein
Infrastructure Administrator, ASF


On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Ian Luo 
<ian@gmail.com<mailto:ian@gmail.com>> wrote:

I think this can be solved by distinguishing github notifications from
regular dev@dubbo.apache.org<mailto:dev@dubbo.apache.org> traffic.  For github 
notifications,
including issue and pull request, the update message should only go to
the
interested parties who are involved in this particular topic, but @dev
should never be the audience.

I guess @dev mail list is configured in 'Settings -> Integrations &
Services -> Email' for 
github.com/apache/inclubator-dubbo*<http://github.com/apache/inclubator-dubbo*> 
projects. I
am
not sure who I should contact therefore I am here cc-ing
us...@infra.apache.org<mailto:us...@infra.apache.org>.

I suggest to remove @dev mail list from github subscription list.

Thanks,
-Ian.



On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 5:55 PM, Huxing Zhang 
<hux...@apache.org<mailto:hux...@apache.org>> wrote:

Hi,

I am +1 on split the traffic of @dev list.

The issue appears after migrating repo to ASF. I use
"label:asf-dubbo-dev -[github]" to filter out them. :(

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Yong Zhu 
<diecui1...@gmail.com<mailto:diecui1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I have the same feeling.

IMO, all the issue emails should be sent to 
iss...@dubbo.apache.org<mailto:iss...@dubbo.apache.org>,
all

+1. All issues and the comments should go there.

the PR emails should be sent to 
comm...@dubbo.apache.org<mailto:comm...@dubbo.apache.org>. How do you
think?

-1. commit@ are used when code are committed to repo, I don't think
PRs should go there.
Once a PR is accepted, a message will be sent to commit@

My suggestion is PRs and the comments should go to issues@, or we can
create a new list prs@.

and who can help to fix this?

And I think we should use github issues, and move all the Jira
issues to
github.

2018-04-03 16:43 GMT+08:00 Mark Thomas 
<ma...@apache.org<mailto:ma...@apache.org>>:

All,

I've been away for just over a week and come back to find over 300
unread emails on the dev list.

A large proportion of these messages are comments on pull requests?
Is
dev@ the right list for those?

Another large proportion appear to be comments on issues? Is dev@
the
right list for those?

Generally, the recommendation is to split into multiple lists based
on
audience rather than topic. For some projects it therefore makes
sense
to have all dev related traffic going to a single list. For others,
particularly large projects, it makes sense to split the dev
traffic.

The project appears to be using GitHub issues and Jira. That is
confusing. I'd recommend that you select one issue tracker and stick
to it.

There was discussion[1] on the mailing list and the community has
decided to use github issues.
My understanding is that currently JIRA is only used for GSOC ideas
and track existing issues prior to that decision.
I am +0 on migrating the existing JIRA issues to github issues.


Finally, the github issues seem to be a mix of bugs and support
questions. Is that the way the podling wants to use github issues?

People get used to ask questions by creating an issue before joining
ASF.
The PPMC are trying to tell users to use mailing list to ask questions
by leaving message on the issues, so does the website.
But I think it will take some time.


I have no view on what the 'right' answers to the above questions
are.
I'm asking them to get the podling thinking about 

Re: List volume and issue tracking

[Wang Xin]

+1，It’s good.
dev@ -- the development community's discussions
commits@ -- commit emails
issues@ -- all emails related to issues (GitHub/Jira)
notifications@ -- PR notifications, etc



Xin Wang
lovep...@hotmail.com



在 2018年4月8日，下午2:40，Yong Zhu > 
写道：

2018-04-08 14:36 GMT+08:00 Huxing Zhang 
>:

+1

This breakdown looks good to me.


+1, It sounds good.



On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 2:25 PM, Greg Stein 
> wrote:
Many projects choose this pattern:

dev@ -- the development community's discussions
commits@ -- commit emails
issues@ -- all emails related to issues (GitHub/Jira)
notifications@ -- PR notifications, etc

All GitHub activity is required to be delivered to an ASF mailing list.
It
is up to the (P)PMC to choose which/how. But they cannot be sent to
/dev/null. The above pattern generally provides the right breakdown for
what information people what to monitor.

Cheers,
Greg Stein
Infrastructure Administrator, ASF


On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Ian Luo 
> wrote:

I think this can be solved by distinguishing github notifications from
regular dev@dubbo.apache.org traffic.  For github 
notifications,
including issue and pull request, the update message should only go to
the
interested parties who are involved in this particular topic, but @dev
should never be the audience.

I guess @dev mail list is configured in 'Settings -> Integrations &
Services -> Email' for 
github.com/apache/inclubator-dubbo* 
projects. I
am
not sure who I should contact therefore I am here cc-ing
us...@infra.apache.org.

I suggest to remove @dev mail list from github subscription list.

Thanks,
-Ian.



On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 5:55 PM, Huxing Zhang 
> wrote:

Hi,

I am +1 on split the traffic of @dev list.

The issue appears after migrating repo to ASF. I use
"label:asf-dubbo-dev -[github]" to filter out them. :(

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Yong Zhu 
> wrote:
I have the same feeling.

IMO, all the issue emails should be sent to 
iss...@dubbo.apache.org,
all

+1. All issues and the comments should go there.

the PR emails should be sent to 
comm...@dubbo.apache.org. How do you
think?

-1. commit@ are used when code are committed to repo, I don't think
PRs should go there.
Once a PR is accepted, a message will be sent to commit@

My suggestion is PRs and the comments should go to issues@, or we can
create a new list prs@.

and who can help to fix this?

And I think we should use github issues, and move all the Jira
issues to
github.

2018-04-03 16:43 GMT+08:00 Mark Thomas 
>:

All,

I've been away for just over a week and come back to find over 300
unread emails on the dev list.

A large proportion of these messages are comments on pull requests?
Is
dev@ the right list for those?

Another large proportion appear to be comments on issues? Is dev@
the
right list for those?

Generally, the recommendation is to split into multiple lists based
on
audience rather than topic. For some projects it therefore makes
sense
to have all dev related traffic going to a single list. For others,
particularly large projects, it makes sense to split the dev
traffic.

The project appears to be using GitHub issues and Jira. That is
confusing. I'd recommend that you select one issue tracker and stick
to it.

There was discussion[1] on the mailing list and the community has
decided to use github issues.
My understanding is that currently JIRA is only used for GSOC ideas
and track existing issues prior to that decision.
I am +0 on migrating the existing JIRA issues to github issues.


Finally, the github issues seem to be a mix of bugs and support
questions. Is that the way the podling wants to use github issues?

People get used to ask questions by creating an issue before joining
ASF.
The PPMC are trying to tell users to use mailing list to ask questions
by leaving message on the issues, so does the website.
But I think it will take some time.


I have no view on what the 'right' answers to the above questions
are.
I'm asking them to get the podling thinking about the issues. What,
if
anything, to do about any of the above is for the podling to decide.


Mark



[1] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c8ca0bf3bff8f0ee236567b
ba2a3876c4d8b91a28a94948be4cb74b8@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
--
Best Regards！
Huxing






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Re: List volume and issue tracking

[shang zonghai]

I was also confused by a lot of mixed emails.

For this topic, I have the following suggestions:

1. All pull requests are sent to the current 
dev@dubbo.apache.org.

Pr contains final solution to problem solution or feature enhancement 
capabilities, all users and developers are more concerned.

2. All issues are only sent to 
is...@dubbo.apache.org.

Issue contains classmates or bug feedback for help, Developers are more 
concerned and give guidance and help.

3. Important content or discussion sent to 
dev@dubbo.apache.org.

For example, issues that need to be discussed when initiating a vote or related 
incubator project, but does not include issues on github.


Thanks,
yiji

Re: List volume and issue tracking

[Huxing Zhang]

+1

This breakdown looks good to me.

On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 2:25 PM, Greg Stein  wrote:
> Many projects choose this pattern:
>
> dev@ -- the development community's discussions
> commits@ -- commit emails
> issues@ -- all emails related to issues (GitHub/Jira)
> notifications@ -- PR notifications, etc
>
> All GitHub activity is required to be delivered to an ASF mailing list. It
> is up to the (P)PMC to choose which/how. But they cannot be sent to
> /dev/null. The above pattern generally provides the right breakdown for
> what information people what to monitor.
>
> Cheers,
> Greg Stein
> Infrastructure Administrator, ASF
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Ian Luo  wrote:
>
>> I think this can be solved by distinguishing github notifications from
>> regular dev@dubbo.apache.org traffic.  For github notifications,
>> including issue and pull request, the update message should only go to the
>> interested parties who are involved in this particular topic, but @dev
>> should never be the audience.
>>
>> I guess @dev mail list is configured in 'Settings -> Integrations &
>> Services -> Email' for github.com/apache/inclubator-dubbo* projects. I am
>> not sure who I should contact therefore I am here cc-ing
>> us...@infra.apache.org.
>>
>> I suggest to remove @dev mail list from github subscription list.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Ian.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 5:55 PM, Huxing Zhang  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am +1 on split the traffic of @dev list.
>>>
>>> The issue appears after migrating repo to ASF. I use
>>> "label:asf-dubbo-dev -[github]" to filter out them. :(
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Yong Zhu  wrote:
>>> > I have the same feeling.
>>> >
>>> > IMO, all the issue emails should be sent to iss...@dubbo.apache.org,
>>> all
>>>
>>> +1. All issues and the comments should go there.
>>>
>>> > the PR emails should be sent to comm...@dubbo.apache.org. How do you
>>> think?
>>>
>>> -1. commit@ are used when code are committed to repo, I don't think
>>> PRs should go there.
>>> Once a PR is accepted, a message will be sent to commit@
>>>
>>> My suggestion is PRs and the comments should go to issues@, or we can
>>> create a new list prs@.
>>>
>>> > and who can help to fix this?
>>> >
>>> > And I think we should use github issues, and move all the Jira issues to
>>> > github.
>>> >
>>> > 2018-04-03 16:43 GMT+08:00 Mark Thomas :
>>> >
>>> >> All,
>>> >>
>>> >> I've been away for just over a week and come back to find over 300
>>> >> unread emails on the dev list.
>>> >>
>>> >> A large proportion of these messages are comments on pull requests? Is
>>> >> dev@ the right list for those?
>>> >>
>>> >> Another large proportion appear to be comments on issues? Is dev@ the
>>> >> right list for those?
>>> >>
>>> >> Generally, the recommendation is to split into multiple lists based on
>>> >> audience rather than topic. For some projects it therefore makes sense
>>> >> to have all dev related traffic going to a single list. For others,
>>> >> particularly large projects, it makes sense to split the dev traffic.
>>> >>
>>> >> The project appears to be using GitHub issues and Jira. That is
>>> >> confusing. I'd recommend that you select one issue tracker and stick
>>> to it.
>>>
>>> There was discussion[1] on the mailing list and the community has
>>> decided to use github issues.
>>> My understanding is that currently JIRA is only used for GSOC ideas
>>> and track existing issues prior to that decision.
>>> I am +0 on migrating the existing JIRA issues to github issues.
>>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Finally, the github issues seem to be a mix of bugs and support
>>> >> questions. Is that the way the podling wants to use github issues?
>>>
>>> People get used to ask questions by creating an issue before joining ASF.
>>> The PPMC are trying to tell users to use mailing list to ask questions
>>> by leaving message on the issues, so does the website.
>>> But I think it will take some time.
>>>
>>> >>
>>> >> I have no view on what the 'right' answers to the above questions are.
>>> >> I'm asking them to get the podling thinking about the issues. What, if
>>> >> anything, to do about any of the above is for the podling to decide.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Mark
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c8ca0bf3bff8f0ee236567b
>>> ba2a3876c4d8b91a28a94948be4cb74b8@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
>>> --
>>> Best Regards！
>>> Huxing
>>>
>>
>>



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Best Regards！
Huxing

Re: List volume and issue tracking

[Greg Stein]

Many projects choose this pattern:

dev@ -- the development community's discussions
commits@ -- commit emails
issues@ -- all emails related to issues (GitHub/Jira)
notifications@ -- PR notifications, etc

All GitHub activity is required to be delivered to an ASF mailing list. It
is up to the (P)PMC to choose which/how. But they cannot be sent to
/dev/null. The above pattern generally provides the right breakdown for
what information people what to monitor.

Cheers,
Greg Stein
Infrastructure Administrator, ASF


On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Ian Luo  wrote:

> I think this can be solved by distinguishing github notifications from
> regular dev@dubbo.apache.org traffic.  For github notifications,
> including issue and pull request, the update message should only go to the
> interested parties who are involved in this particular topic, but @dev
> should never be the audience.
>
> I guess @dev mail list is configured in 'Settings -> Integrations &
> Services -> Email' for github.com/apache/inclubator-dubbo* projects. I am
> not sure who I should contact therefore I am here cc-ing
> us...@infra.apache.org.
>
> I suggest to remove @dev mail list from github subscription list.
>
> Thanks,
> -Ian.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 5:55 PM, Huxing Zhang  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am +1 on split the traffic of @dev list.
>>
>> The issue appears after migrating repo to ASF. I use
>> "label:asf-dubbo-dev -[github]" to filter out them. :(
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Yong Zhu  wrote:
>> > I have the same feeling.
>> >
>> > IMO, all the issue emails should be sent to iss...@dubbo.apache.org,
>> all
>>
>> +1. All issues and the comments should go there.
>>
>> > the PR emails should be sent to comm...@dubbo.apache.org. How do you
>> think?
>>
>> -1. commit@ are used when code are committed to repo, I don't think
>> PRs should go there.
>> Once a PR is accepted, a message will be sent to commit@
>>
>> My suggestion is PRs and the comments should go to issues@, or we can
>> create a new list prs@.
>>
>> > and who can help to fix this?
>> >
>> > And I think we should use github issues, and move all the Jira issues to
>> > github.
>> >
>> > 2018-04-03 16:43 GMT+08:00 Mark Thomas :
>> >
>> >> All,
>> >>
>> >> I've been away for just over a week and come back to find over 300
>> >> unread emails on the dev list.
>> >>
>> >> A large proportion of these messages are comments on pull requests? Is
>> >> dev@ the right list for those?
>> >>
>> >> Another large proportion appear to be comments on issues? Is dev@ the
>> >> right list for those?
>> >>
>> >> Generally, the recommendation is to split into multiple lists based on
>> >> audience rather than topic. For some projects it therefore makes sense
>> >> to have all dev related traffic going to a single list. For others,
>> >> particularly large projects, it makes sense to split the dev traffic.
>> >>
>> >> The project appears to be using GitHub issues and Jira. That is
>> >> confusing. I'd recommend that you select one issue tracker and stick
>> to it.
>>
>> There was discussion[1] on the mailing list and the community has
>> decided to use github issues.
>> My understanding is that currently JIRA is only used for GSOC ideas
>> and track existing issues prior to that decision.
>> I am +0 on migrating the existing JIRA issues to github issues.
>>
>> >>
>> >> Finally, the github issues seem to be a mix of bugs and support
>> >> questions. Is that the way the podling wants to use github issues?
>>
>> People get used to ask questions by creating an issue before joining ASF.
>> The PPMC are trying to tell users to use mailing list to ask questions
>> by leaving message on the issues, so does the website.
>> But I think it will take some time.
>>
>> >>
>> >> I have no view on what the 'right' answers to the above questions are.
>> >> I'm asking them to get the podling thinking about the issues. What, if
>> >> anything, to do about any of the above is for the podling to decide.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Mark
>> >>
>>
>>
>> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c8ca0bf3bff8f0ee236567b
>> ba2a3876c4d8b91a28a94948be4cb74b8@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
>> --
>> Best Regards！
>> Huxing
>>
>
>

Re: List volume and issue tracking

[Ian Luo]

I think this can be solved by distinguishing github notifications from
regular dev@dubbo.apache.org traffic.  For github notifications, including
issue and pull request, the update message should only go to the interested
parties who are involved in this particular topic, but @dev should never be
the audience.

I guess @dev mail list is configured in 'Settings -> Integrations &
Services -> Email' for github.com/apache/inclubator-dubbo* projects. I am
not sure who I should contact therefore I am here cc-ing
us...@infra.apache.org.

I suggest to remove @dev mail list from github subscription list.

Thanks,
-Ian.



On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 5:55 PM, Huxing Zhang  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am +1 on split the traffic of @dev list.
>
> The issue appears after migrating repo to ASF. I use
> "label:asf-dubbo-dev -[github]" to filter out them. :(
>
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Yong Zhu  wrote:
> > I have the same feeling.
> >
> > IMO, all the issue emails should be sent to iss...@dubbo.apache.org, all
>
> +1. All issues and the comments should go there.
>
> > the PR emails should be sent to comm...@dubbo.apache.org. How do you
> think?
>
> -1. commit@ are used when code are committed to repo, I don't think
> PRs should go there.
> Once a PR is accepted, a message will be sent to commit@
>
> My suggestion is PRs and the comments should go to issues@, or we can
> create a new list prs@.
>
> > and who can help to fix this?
> >
> > And I think we should use github issues, and move all the Jira issues to
> > github.
> >
> > 2018-04-03 16:43 GMT+08:00 Mark Thomas :
> >
> >> All,
> >>
> >> I've been away for just over a week and come back to find over 300
> >> unread emails on the dev list.
> >>
> >> A large proportion of these messages are comments on pull requests? Is
> >> dev@ the right list for those?
> >>
> >> Another large proportion appear to be comments on issues? Is dev@ the
> >> right list for those?
> >>
> >> Generally, the recommendation is to split into multiple lists based on
> >> audience rather than topic. For some projects it therefore makes sense
> >> to have all dev related traffic going to a single list. For others,
> >> particularly large projects, it makes sense to split the dev traffic.
> >>
> >> The project appears to be using GitHub issues and Jira. That is
> >> confusing. I'd recommend that you select one issue tracker and stick to
> it.
>
> There was discussion[1] on the mailing list and the community has
> decided to use github issues.
> My understanding is that currently JIRA is only used for GSOC ideas
> and track existing issues prior to that decision.
> I am +0 on migrating the existing JIRA issues to github issues.
>
> >>
> >> Finally, the github issues seem to be a mix of bugs and support
> >> questions. Is that the way the podling wants to use github issues?
>
> People get used to ask questions by creating an issue before joining ASF.
> The PPMC are trying to tell users to use mailing list to ask questions
> by leaving message on the issues, so does the website.
> But I think it will take some time.
>
> >>
> >> I have no view on what the 'right' answers to the above questions are.
> >> I'm asking them to get the podling thinking about the issues. What, if
> >> anything, to do about any of the above is for the podling to decide.
> >>
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
>
>
> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c8ca0bf3bff8f0ee236567bba2a387
> 6c4d8b91a28a94948be4cb74b8@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> --
> Best Regards！
> Huxing
>

Re: List volume and issue tracking

[Huxing Zhang]

Hi,

I am +1 on split the traffic of @dev list.

The issue appears after migrating repo to ASF. I use
"label:asf-dubbo-dev -[github]" to filter out them. :(

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Yong Zhu  wrote:
> I have the same feeling.
>
> IMO, all the issue emails should be sent to iss...@dubbo.apache.org, all

+1. All issues and the comments should go there.

> the PR emails should be sent to comm...@dubbo.apache.org. How do you think?

-1. commit@ are used when code are committed to repo, I don't think
PRs should go there.
Once a PR is accepted, a message will be sent to commit@

My suggestion is PRs and the comments should go to issues@, or we can
create a new list prs@.

> and who can help to fix this?
>
> And I think we should use github issues, and move all the Jira issues to
> github.
>
> 2018-04-03 16:43 GMT+08:00 Mark Thomas :
>
>> All,
>>
>> I've been away for just over a week and come back to find over 300
>> unread emails on the dev list.
>>
>> A large proportion of these messages are comments on pull requests? Is
>> dev@ the right list for those?
>>
>> Another large proportion appear to be comments on issues? Is dev@ the
>> right list for those?
>>
>> Generally, the recommendation is to split into multiple lists based on
>> audience rather than topic. For some projects it therefore makes sense
>> to have all dev related traffic going to a single list. For others,
>> particularly large projects, it makes sense to split the dev traffic.
>>
>> The project appears to be using GitHub issues and Jira. That is
>> confusing. I'd recommend that you select one issue tracker and stick to it.

There was discussion[1] on the mailing list and the community has
decided to use github issues.
My understanding is that currently JIRA is only used for GSOC ideas
and track existing issues prior to that decision.
I am +0 on migrating the existing JIRA issues to github issues.

>>
>> Finally, the github issues seem to be a mix of bugs and support
>> questions. Is that the way the podling wants to use github issues?

People get used to ask questions by creating an issue before joining ASF.
The PPMC are trying to tell users to use mailing list to ask questions
by leaving message on the issues, so does the website.
But I think it will take some time.

>>
>> I have no view on what the 'right' answers to the above questions are.
>> I'm asking them to get the podling thinking about the issues. What, if
>> anything, to do about any of the above is for the podling to decide.
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>


[1] 
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c8ca0bf3bff8f0ee236567bba2a3876c4d8b91a28a94948be4cb74b8@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
-- 
Best Regards！
Huxing

Re: List volume and issue tracking

[Yong Zhu]

I have the same feeling.

IMO, all the issue emails should be sent to iss...@dubbo.apache.org, all
the PR emails should be sent to comm...@dubbo.apache.org. How do you think?
and who can help to fix this?

And I think we should use github issues, and move all the Jira issues to
github.

2018-04-03 16:43 GMT+08:00 Mark Thomas :

> All,
>
> I've been away for just over a week and come back to find over 300
> unread emails on the dev list.
>
> A large proportion of these messages are comments on pull requests? Is
> dev@ the right list for those?
>
> Another large proportion appear to be comments on issues? Is dev@ the
> right list for those?
>
> Generally, the recommendation is to split into multiple lists based on
> audience rather than topic. For some projects it therefore makes sense
> to have all dev related traffic going to a single list. For others,
> particularly large projects, it makes sense to split the dev traffic.
>
> The project appears to be using GitHub issues and Jira. That is
> confusing. I'd recommend that you select one issue tracker and stick to it.
>
> Finally, the github issues seem to be a mix of bugs and support
> questions. Is that the way the podling wants to use github issues?
>
> I have no view on what the 'right' answers to the above questions are.
> I'm asking them to get the podling thinking about the issues. What, if
> anything, to do about any of the above is for the podling to decide.
>
>
> Mark
>