Re: Synchronization between TsFile and Server

[Xiangdong Huang]

Ok... so it is my misunderstanding..

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Xiangdong Huang
School of Software, Tsinghua University

 黄向东
清华大学 软件学院


Julian Feinauer  于2019年6月24日周一 下午3:33写道：

> Hey,
>
> thanks fort he fast reply.
> Indeed it was my fault.
> I updated master from MY personal fork which was not in sync with mainline.
> So after fetch from upstream its indeed right.
>
> Sorry for that!
>
> Julian
>
> Am 24.06.19, 09:27 schrieb "李天安" :
>
> Hi Julian,
> According to your issue, I wonder if the IoTDB you use is from the
> official website of IoTDB, which version is v0.7.0. Since the
> synchronization module was reconstructed once in March by myself, and the
> corresponding synchronization module with the document you have read is in
> the master branch of the GitHub repository of IoTDB. This will not
> synchronize the official version in IoTDB website until the new version of
> IoTDB is released, so you can update the IoTDB you use from the master
> branch of the GitHub of IoTDB(https://github.com/apache/incubator-iotdb )
> and then use it. I'm sorry for the inconvenience. I hope this will help
> you. What's more, I'm looking forward to your feedback.
>
> Best Regards,
> -
> Tianan Li
> School of Software, Tsinghua University
>
> > -原始邮件-
> > 发件人: "Julian Feinauer" 
>     > 发送时间: 2019-06-24 14:58:47 (星期一)
> > 收件人: "dev@iotdb.apache.org" 
> > 抄送:
> > 主题: Re: Synchronization between TsFile and Server
> >
> > Hi Tianan,
> >
> > Thanks for the excellent writeup, it really helped me understand how
> it works (and where to look).
> > One minor question… in the current master branch the sh scripts are
> called “start-postBackClient.sh” is tht correct (in your doc its called
> “sync-client.sh”).
> >
> > For the rest of my questions I’ll dig a bit through the code and
> come back if I have more questions : )
> >
> > Julian
> >
> > On 2019/06/15 03:56:41, 李天安  l...@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn>> wrote:
> > > Hi,>
> > > The documentation for sync tool is in
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-iotdb/blob/add_sync_docu/docs/Documentation/UserGuideV0.7.0/7-Tools-Sync.md
> <
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-iotdb/blob/add_sync_docu/docs/Documentation/UserGuideV0.7.0/7-Tools-Sync.md>.
> I’m looking forward to receiving your feedback to improve this tool.>
> > >
> > >
> > > Best Regards,>
> > > —>
> > > Tianan Li>
> > > School of Software, Tsinghua University>
> > >
> > > > 在 2019年6月13日，下午6:17，Julian Feinauer  <mailto:j@pragmaticminds.de>> 写道：>
> > > > >
> > > > Hi Tianan,>
> > > > >
> > > > this would be great.>
> > > > Thank you very much!>
> > > > >
> > > > Julian>
> > > > >
> > > > Am 13.06.19, 12:17 schrieb "李天安"  <mailto:lt...@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn>>:>
> > > > >
> > > >Hi，>
> > > > After consideration, I intend to write a manual for the
> sync tool in these two days. According to the manual, you can use the tool
> and test it. I think this is a solution and I hope this will help you.>
> > > > >
> > > >Best Regards,>
> > > >—>
> > > >Tianan Li>
> > > >School of Software, Tsinghua University>
> > > > >
> > > >> 在 2019年6月13日，下午5:38，李天安  lt...@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn>> 写道：>
> > > >> >
> > > >> Hi，>
> > > >>   You’re right. The essence of sync tool is to deal with
> loading external tsfile in a running IoTDB service, which takes different
> strategies according to different tsfile types. We will consider your needs
> and look forward to cooperating with you.>
> > > >> >
> > > >> Best Regards,>
> > > >> —>
> > > >> Tianan Li>
> > > >> School of Software, Tsinghua University>
> > > >> >
> > > >>> 在 2019年6月13日，下午5:28，Julian Feinauer  <mailto:j@pragmaticminds.de>> 写道：>
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> okay, this is also the impression I have __>
> > > >>> But the general idea still is true, that there will be a way
> to simply ship a "local file" over to the server and he does some kind of
> batch import for me, right?>
> > > >>> If we start to intensivy our tests I can of course help with
> the development, if you point me to the right directions.>
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>

Re: Re: Synchronization between TsFile and Server

[Xiangdong Huang]

It may confuse users that "the version v0.7.0 from official website of
IoTDB" does not come from github.com/apache/incubator-iotdb

Actually, we have not release any binary version after IoTDB entering
Apache...  So, the v0.7.0 binary version is actually a legacy version (that
from github.com/thulab/iotdb). (The thulab/iotdb repo is not maintained
now, because all of our work are in apache/incubator-iotdb...)

So, if you want to make the document in Tianan's PR consistent with the
script, you need to download the source code from Apache Repo (which is
really "official"...)
I have checked the master branch on apache/incubator-iotdb, the script is
start-sync-client.sh :D

Best,
---
Xiangdong Huang
School of Software, Tsinghua University

 黄向东
清华大学 软件学院


李天安  于2019年6月24日周一 下午3:27写道：

> Hi Julian,
> According to your issue, I wonder if the IoTDB you use is from the
> official website of IoTDB, which version is v0.7.0. Since the
> synchronization module was reconstructed once in March by myself, and the
> corresponding synchronization module with the document you have read is in
> the master branch of the GitHub repository of IoTDB. This will not
> synchronize the official version in IoTDB website until the new version of
> IoTDB is released, so you can update the IoTDB you use from the master
> branch of the GitHub of IoTDB(https://github.com/apache/incubator-iotdb )
> and then use it. I'm sorry for the inconvenience. I hope this will help
> you. What's more, I'm looking forward to your feedback.
>
> Best Regards,
> -
> Tianan Li
> School of Software, Tsinghua University
>
> > -原始邮件-
> > 发件人: "Julian Feinauer" 
> > 发送时间: 2019-06-24 14:58:47 (星期一)
> > 收件人: "dev@iotdb.apache.org" 
> > 抄送:
> > 主题: Re: Synchronization between TsFile and Server
> >
> > Hi Tianan,
> >
> > Thanks for the excellent writeup, it really helped me understand how it
> works (and where to look).
> > One minor question… in the current master branch the sh scripts are
> called “start-postBackClient.sh” is tht correct (in your doc its called
> “sync-client.sh”).
> >
> > For the rest of my questions I’ll dig a bit through the code and come
> back if I have more questions : )
> >
> > Julian
> >
> > On 2019/06/15 03:56:41, 李天安  l...@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn>> wrote:
> > > Hi,>
> > > The documentation for sync tool is in
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-iotdb/blob/add_sync_docu/docs/Documentation/UserGuideV0.7.0/7-Tools-Sync.md
> <
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-iotdb/blob/add_sync_docu/docs/Documentation/UserGuideV0.7.0/7-Tools-Sync.md>.
> I’m looking forward to receiving your feedback to improve this tool.>
> > >
> > >
> > > Best Regards,>
> > > —>
> > > Tianan Li>
> > > School of Software, Tsinghua University>
> > >
> > > > 在 2019年6月13日，下午6:17，Julian Feinauer  j@pragmaticminds.de>> 写道：>
> > > > >
> > > > Hi Tianan,>
> > > > >
> > > > this would be great.>
> > > > Thank you very much!>
> > > > >
> > > > Julian>
> > > > >
> > > > Am 13.06.19, 12:17 schrieb "李天安"  <mailto:lt...@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn>>:>
> > > > >
> > > >Hi，>
> > > > After consideration, I intend to write a manual for the sync
> tool in these two days. According to the manual, you can use the tool and
> test it. I think this is a solution and I hope this will help you.>
> > > > >
> > > >Best Regards,>
> > > >—>
> > > >Tianan Li>
> > > >School of Software, Tsinghua University>
> > > > >
> > > >> 在 2019年6月13日，下午5:38，李天安  lt...@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn>> 写道：>
> > > >> >
> > > >> Hi，>
> > > >>   You’re right. The essence of sync tool is to deal with
> loading external tsfile in a running IoTDB service, which takes different
> strategies according to different tsfile types. We will consider your needs
> and look forward to cooperating with you.>
> > > >> >
> > > >> Best Regards,>
> > > >> —>
> > > >> Tianan Li>
> > > >> School of Software, Tsinghua University>
> > > >> >
> > > >>> 在 2019年6月13日，下午5:28，Julian Feinauer  <mailto:j@pragmaticminds.de>> 写道：>
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> okay, this is also the impression I have __>
> > > >>> But the general idea still is true, that there will be a way to
> simply ship a "local file" over to the server and he does some kind of
> batch import for me, right?>
> > > >>> If we start to intensivy our tests I can of course help with the
> development, if you point me to the right directions.>
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
>

Re: Synchronization between TsFile and Server

[Julian Feinauer]

Hey,

thanks fort he fast reply.
Indeed it was my fault.
I updated master from MY personal fork which was not in sync with mainline.
So after fetch from upstream its indeed right.

Sorry for that!

Julian

Am 24.06.19, 09:27 schrieb "李天安" :

Hi Julian,
According to your issue, I wonder if the IoTDB you use is from the 
official website of IoTDB, which version is v0.7.0. Since the synchronization 
module was reconstructed once in March by myself, and the corresponding 
synchronization module with the document you have read is in the master branch 
of the GitHub repository of IoTDB. This will not synchronize the official 
version in IoTDB website until the new version of IoTDB is released, so you can 
update the IoTDB you use from the master branch of the GitHub of 
IoTDB(https://github.com/apache/incubator-iotdb ) and then use it. I'm sorry 
for the inconvenience. I hope this will help you. What's more, I'm looking 
forward to your feedback.

Best Regards,
-
Tianan Li
School of Software, Tsinghua University

> -原始邮件-
> 发件人: "Julian Feinauer" 
> 发送时间: 2019-06-24 14:58:47 (星期一)
> 收件人: "dev@iotdb.apache.org" 
> 抄送: 
> 主题: Re: Synchronization between TsFile and Server
> 
> Hi Tianan,
> 
> Thanks for the excellent writeup, it really helped me understand how it 
works (and where to look).
> One minor question… in the current master branch the sh scripts are 
called “start-postBackClient.sh” is tht correct (in your doc its called 
“sync-client.sh”).
> 
> For the rest of my questions I’ll dig a bit through the code and come 
back if I have more questions : )
> 
> Julian
> 
> On 2019/06/15 03:56:41, 李天安 
mailto:l...@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn>> wrote:
> > Hi,>
> > The documentation for sync tool is in 
https://github.com/apache/incubator-iotdb/blob/add_sync_docu/docs/Documentation/UserGuideV0.7.0/7-Tools-Sync.md
 
<https://github.com/apache/incubator-iotdb/blob/add_sync_docu/docs/Documentation/UserGuideV0.7.0/7-Tools-Sync.md>.
 I’m looking forward to receiving your feedback to improve this tool.>
> >
> >
> > Best Regards,>
> > —>
> > Tianan Li>
> > School of Software, Tsinghua University>
> >
> > > 在 2019年6月13日，下午6:17，Julian Feinauer 
mailto:j@pragmaticminds.de>> 写道：>
> > > >
> > > Hi Tianan,>
> > > >
> > > this would be great.>
> > > Thank you very much!>
> > > >
> > > Julian>
> > > >
> > > Am 13.06.19, 12:17 schrieb "李天安" 
mailto:lt...@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn>>:>
> > > >
> > >Hi，>
> > > After consideration, I intend to write a manual for the sync 
tool in these two days. According to the manual, you can use the tool and test 
it. I think this is a solution and I hope this will help you.>
> > > >
> > >Best Regards,>
> > >—>
> > >Tianan Li>
> > >School of Software, Tsinghua University>
> > > >
> > >> 在 2019年6月13日，下午5:38，李天安 
mailto:lt...@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn>> 写道：>
> > >> >
> > >> Hi，>
> > >>   You’re right. The essence of sync tool is to deal with loading 
external tsfile in a running IoTDB service, which takes different strategies 
according to different tsfile types. We will consider your needs and look 
forward to cooperating with you.>
> > >> >
> > >> Best Regards,>
> > >> —>
> > >> Tianan Li>
> > >> School of Software, Tsinghua University>
> > >> >
> > >>> 在 2019年6月13日，下午5:28，Julian Feinauer 
mailto:j@pragmaticminds.de>> 写道：>
> > >>> >
> > >>> okay, this is also the impression I have __>
> > >>> But the general idea still is true, that there will be a way to 
simply ship a "local file" over to the server and he does some kind of batch 
import for me, right?>
> > >>> If we start to intensivy our tests I can of course help with the 
development, if you point me to the right directions.>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >

Re: Re: Synchronization between TsFile and Server

[李天安]

Hi Julian,
According to your issue, I wonder if the IoTDB you use is from the 
official website of IoTDB, which version is v0.7.0. Since the synchronization 
module was reconstructed once in March by myself, and the corresponding 
synchronization module with the document you have read is in the master branch 
of the GitHub repository of IoTDB. This will not synchronize the official 
version in IoTDB website until the new version of IoTDB is released, so you can 
update the IoTDB you use from the master branch of the GitHub of 
IoTDB(https://github.com/apache/incubator-iotdb ) and then use it. I'm sorry 
for the inconvenience. I hope this will help you. What's more, I'm looking 
forward to your feedback.

Best Regards,
-
Tianan Li
School of Software, Tsinghua University

> -原始邮件-
> 发件人: "Julian Feinauer" 
> 发送时间: 2019-06-24 14:58:47 (星期一)
> 收件人: "dev@iotdb.apache.org" 
> 抄送: 
> 主题: Re: Synchronization between TsFile and Server
> 
> Hi Tianan,
> 
> Thanks for the excellent writeup, it really helped me understand how it works 
> (and where to look).
> One minor question… in the current master branch the sh scripts are called 
> “start-postBackClient.sh” is tht correct (in your doc its called 
> “sync-client.sh”).
> 
> For the rest of my questions I’ll dig a bit through the code and come back if 
> I have more questions : )
> 
> Julian
> 
> On 2019/06/15 03:56:41, 李天安 
> mailto:l...@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn>> wrote:
> > Hi,>
> > The documentation for sync tool is in 
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-iotdb/blob/add_sync_docu/docs/Documentation/UserGuideV0.7.0/7-Tools-Sync.md
> >  
> > <https://github.com/apache/incubator-iotdb/blob/add_sync_docu/docs/Documentation/UserGuideV0.7.0/7-Tools-Sync.md>.
> >  I’m looking forward to receiving your feedback to improve this tool.>
> >
> >
> > Best Regards,>
> > —>
> > Tianan Li>
> > School of Software, Tsinghua University>
> >
> > > 在 2019年6月13日，下午6:17，Julian Feinauer 
> > > mailto:j@pragmaticminds.de>> 写道：>
> > > >
> > > Hi Tianan,>
> > > >
> > > this would be great.>
> > > Thank you very much!>
> > > >
> > > Julian>
> > > >
> > > Am 13.06.19, 12:17 schrieb "李天安" 
> > > mailto:lt...@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn>>:>
> > > >
> > >Hi，>
> > > After consideration, I intend to write a manual for the sync tool 
> > > in these two days. According to the manual, you can use the tool and test 
> > > it. I think this is a solution and I hope this will help you.>
> > > >
> > >Best Regards,>
> > >—>
> > >Tianan Li>
> > >School of Software, Tsinghua University>
> > > >
> > >> 在 2019年6月13日，下午5:38，李天安 
> > >> mailto:lt...@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn>> 写道：>
> > >> >
> > >> Hi，>
> > >>   You’re right. The essence of sync tool is to deal with loading 
> > >> external tsfile in a running IoTDB service, which takes different 
> > >> strategies according to different tsfile types. We will consider your 
> > >> needs and look forward to cooperating with you.>
> > >> >
> > >> Best Regards,>
> > >> —>
> > >> Tianan Li>
> > >> School of Software, Tsinghua University>
> > >> >
> > >>> 在 2019年6月13日，下午5:28，Julian Feinauer 
> > >>> mailto:j@pragmaticminds.de>> 写道：>
> > >>> >
> > >>> okay, this is also the impression I have __>
> > >>> But the general idea still is true, that there will be a way to simply 
> > >>> ship a "local file" over to the server and he does some kind of batch 
> > >>> import for me, right?>
> > >>> If we start to intensivy our tests I can of course help with the 
> > >>> development, if you point me to the right directions.>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >

Re: Synchronization between TsFile and Server

[Julian Feinauer]

Hi Tianan,

Thanks for the excellent writeup, it really helped me understand how it works 
(and where to look).
One minor question… in the current master branch the sh scripts are called 
“start-postBackClient.sh” is tht correct (in your doc its called 
“sync-client.sh”).

For the rest of my questions I’ll dig a bit through the code and come back if I 
have more questions : )

Julian

On 2019/06/15 03:56:41, 李天安 
mailto:l...@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn>> wrote:
> Hi,>
> The documentation for sync tool is in 
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-iotdb/blob/add_sync_docu/docs/Documentation/UserGuideV0.7.0/7-Tools-Sync.md
>  
> .
>  I’m looking forward to receiving your feedback to improve this tool.>
>
>
> Best Regards,>
> —>
> Tianan Li>
> School of Software, Tsinghua University>
>
> > 在 2019年6月13日，下午6:17，Julian Feinauer 
> > mailto:j@pragmaticminds.de>> 写道：>
> > >
> > Hi Tianan,>
> > >
> > this would be great.>
> > Thank you very much!>
> > >
> > Julian>
> > >
> > Am 13.06.19, 12:17 schrieb "李天安" 
> > mailto:lt...@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn>>:>
> > >
> >Hi，>
> > After consideration, I intend to write a manual for the sync tool 
> > in these two days. According to the manual, you can use the tool and test 
> > it. I think this is a solution and I hope this will help you.>
> > >
> >Best Regards,>
> >—>
> >Tianan Li>
> >School of Software, Tsinghua University>
> > >
> >> 在 2019年6月13日，下午5:38，李天安 
> >> mailto:lt...@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn>> 写道：>
> >> >
> >> Hi，>
> >>   You’re right. The essence of sync tool is to deal with loading 
> >> external tsfile in a running IoTDB service, which takes different 
> >> strategies according to different tsfile types. We will consider your 
> >> needs and look forward to cooperating with you.>
> >> >
> >> Best Regards,>
> >> —>
> >> Tianan Li>
> >> School of Software, Tsinghua University>
> >> >
> >>> 在 2019年6月13日，下午5:28，Julian Feinauer 
> >>> mailto:j@pragmaticminds.de>> 写道：>
> >>> >
> >>> okay, this is also the impression I have __>
> >>> But the general idea still is true, that there will be a way to simply 
> >>> ship a "local file" over to the server and he does some kind of batch 
> >>> import for me, right?>
> >>> If we start to intensivy our tests I can of course help with the 
> >>> development, if you point me to the right directions.>
> >> >
> >> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>

Re: Synchronization between TsFile and Server

[Julian Feinauer]

Hi Tianan,

this would be great.
Thank you very much!

Julian

Am 13.06.19, 12:17 schrieb "李天安" :

Hi，
After consideration, I intend to write a manual for the sync tool in 
these two days. According to the manual, you can use the tool and test it. I 
think this is a solution and I hope this will help you.

Best Regards,
—
Tianan Li
School of Software, Tsinghua University

> 在 2019年6月13日，下午5:38，李天安  写道：
> 
> Hi，
>   You’re right. The essence of sync tool is to deal with loading external 
tsfile in a running IoTDB service, which takes different strategies according 
to different tsfile types. We will consider your needs and look forward to 
cooperating with you.
> 
> Best Regards,
> —
> Tianan Li
> School of Software, Tsinghua University
> 
>> 在 2019年6月13日，下午5:28，Julian Feinauer  写道：
>> 
>> okay, this is also the impression I have __
>> But the general idea still is true, that there will be a way to simply 
ship a "local file" over to the server and he does some kind of batch import 
for me, right?
>> If we start to intensivy our tests I can of course help with the 
development, if you point me to the right directions.
> 
> 

Re: Synchronization between TsFile and Server

[Xiangdong Huang]

Hi,

I think the sync tool has no conflict with the new feature of `cluster
mode`...

"Transferring a local file to a remote IoTDB instance" is a different
requirement with the "cluster mode". If the sync tool supports that (though
there is no fully tests), I think it is good to let more people to use it
ASAP, receives feedbacks and improve it.

Best,

---
Xiangdong Huang
School of Software, Tsinghua University

 黄向东
清华大学 软件学院


李天安  于2019年6月13日周四 下午5:39写道：

> Hi，
> You’re right. The essence of sync tool is to deal with loading
> external tsfile in a running IoTDB service, which takes different
> strategies according to different tsfile types. We will consider your needs
> and look forward to cooperating with you.
>
> Best Regards,
> —
> Tianan Li
> School of Software, Tsinghua University
>
> > 在 2019年6月13日，下午5:28，Julian Feinauer  写道：
> >
> > okay, this is also the impression I have __
> > But the general idea still is true, that there will be a way to simply
> ship a "local file" over to the server and he does some kind of batch
> import for me, right?
> > If we start to intensivy our tests I can of course help with the
> development, if you point me to the right directions.
>
>

Re: Synchronization between TsFile and Server

[李天安]

Hi，
You’re right. The essence of sync tool is to deal with loading external 
tsfile in a running IoTDB service, which takes different strategies according 
to different tsfile types. We will consider your needs and look forward to 
cooperating with you.

Best Regards,
—
Tianan Li
School of Software, Tsinghua University

> 在 2019年6月13日，下午5:28，Julian Feinauer  写道：
> 
> okay, this is also the impression I have __
> But the general idea still is true, that there will be a way to simply ship a 
> "local file" over to the server and he does some kind of batch import for me, 
> right?
> If we start to intensivy our tests I can of course help with the development, 
> if you point me to the right directions.

Re: Synchronization between TsFile and Server

[Julian Feinauer]

Hi,

okay, this is also the impression I have __
But the general idea still is true, that there will be a way to simply ship a 
"local file" over to the server and he does some kind of batch import for me, 
right?
If we start to intensivy our tests I can of course help with the development, 
if you point me to the right directions.

Julian

Am 13.06.19, 11:09 schrieb "李天安" :

Hi，
Thanks for your attention to IoTDB again. Well,  currently sync tools 
have not yet been fully tested and are temporarily instable,  so there is no 
open documentation. This tool plays an important role in distributed version of 
IoTDB, so it will be perfected with distributed development and will be 
published with distributed manual.

Best Regards,
—
Tianan Li
School of Software, Tsinghua University

> 在 2019年6月13日，下午4:39，Julian Feinauer  写道：
> 
> Hi lovely IoTDB-community,
> 
> I will soon have some time to play a bit more again with IoTDB.
> And one thing which is crucial for my use cases is the file based storage.
> But, as indicated in some docs there is the possibility (or there was, as 
least) to sync local TsFiles (e.g. on an edge device) with a running DB Server.
> Can someone help me point at the right place or comment on the current 
state of that?
> 
> Thanks!
> Julian

Re: Synchronization between TsFile and Server

[李天安]

Hi，
Thanks for your attention to IoTDB again. Well,  currently sync tools 
have not yet been fully tested and are temporarily instable,  so there is no 
open documentation. This tool plays an important role in distributed version of 
IoTDB, so it will be perfected with distributed development and will be 
published with distributed manual.

Best Regards,
—
Tianan Li
School of Software, Tsinghua University

> 在 2019年6月13日，下午4:39，Julian Feinauer  写道：
> 
> Hi lovely IoTDB-community,
> 
> I will soon have some time to play a bit more again with IoTDB.
> And one thing which is crucial for my use cases is the file based storage.
> But, as indicated in some docs there is the possibility (or there was, as 
> least) to sync local TsFiles (e.g. on an edge device) with a running DB 
> Server.
> Can someone help me point at the right place or comment on the current state 
> of that?
> 
> Thanks!
> Julian