Re: Does AOO 4.2.x need new system requirements?

[Don Lewis]

On 26 Mar, Kay Schenk wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 05:57 Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> 
>> Kay Schenk wrote:
>> > This particular requirement is a source of confusion for me.
>> >
>> > I'm pretty sure glib 2.5, is some internal RedHat (CentOS5) version
>> > numbering scheme. This is really glibc, and we need to accurately
>> > specify the minimal version we will be requiring.
>>
>> No they are two different things. See my explanation at
>> https://s.apache.org/hM06 (archives of this list). This means we should
>> list both, but insist on glibc in particular.
>>
> 
> Thanks Andrea -- after spending some time looking yesterday, I did see that
> "glib" and "glibc" were two distinct entities. FWIW, I *think* "glib 5"
> corresponds to the standard series if glib 1.x something.
> 
> In any case, we have this "glib 5" requirement for using Linux. Is this
> still correct? Or maybe, what is the acceptable relationship pairing
> between "glib" and "glibc" ?

They are kind of independent.  CentOS 6 has glibc version 2.12 and glib
version 2.28.



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Re: Does AOO 4.2.x need new system requirements?

[Kay Schenk]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 05:57 Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> Kay Schenk wrote:
> > This particular requirement is a source of confusion for me.
> >
> > I'm pretty sure glib 2.5, is some internal RedHat (CentOS5) version
> > numbering scheme. This is really glibc, and we need to accurately
> > specify the minimal version we will be requiring.
>
> No they are two different things. See my explanation at
> https://s.apache.org/hM06 (archives of this list). This means we should
> list both, but insist on glibc in particular.
>

Thanks Andrea -- after spending some time looking yesterday, I did see that
"glib" and "glibc" were two distinct entities. FWIW, I *think* "glib 5"
corresponds to the standard series if glib 1.x something.

In any case, we have this "glib 5" requirement for using Linux. Is this
still correct? Or maybe, what is the acceptable relationship pairing
between "glib" and "glibc" ?


> Regards,
>Andrea.
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Re: Does AOO 4.2.x need new system requirements?

[Andrea Pescetti]

Kay Schenk wrote:

This particular requirement is a source of confusion for me.

I'm pretty sure glib 2.5, is some internal RedHat (CentOS5) version 
numbering scheme. This is really glibc, and we need to accurately 
specify the minimal version we will be requiring.


No they are two different things. See my explanation at 
https://s.apache.org/hM06 (archives of this list). This means we should 
list both, but insist on glibc in particular.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Does AOO 4.2.x need new system requirements?

[Kay Schenk]

On 03/25/2018 02:47 AM, Peter kovacs wrote:

Well the Java section seems to need updated. I think we are now at 1.7 or 1.8 
right? Or do we still support 1.5 & 1.6? Don't think so. (And no body uses 
those versions I guess)

On Windows we agreed on continued support of Windows XP. However should we 
maybe add ReactOS as official support?
I am appreciating such a step.
Technically there is no difference for us.
And it is the only Argument to keep Windows XP support.
If anyone does not know, React OS is a open source rebuild of Windows XP. 
Currently they support only Windows XP binary format, but they told me that the 
successor format used since Windows Vista is almost ready.

The stats for Linus look fine since I think glib 2.5 is older then what we 
actually use.


This particular requirement is a source of confusion for me.

I'm pretty sure glib 2.5, is some internal RedHat (CentOS5) version 
numbering scheme. This is really glibc, and we need to accurately 
specify the minimal version we will be requiring.




I do not believe we have big changes on Sizing or memory consumption.

I would think that a different page is a good idea.

Am 24. März 2018 22:27:17 MEZ schrieb Kay Schenk :

I think we all know AOO can't stand frozen in time with respect to what
platforms, libraries etc it will work with in the future, maybe even
the
very near future. This is not uncommon by any means and AOO has made
minimum OS requirement changes for some platforms on a regular basis.
In
some cases, these changes were not known to the user community,
especially,
until release time, and this has caused issues in the past.

Some development changes are in progress that seem to be different than
our
stated "System Requirements" for the 4.1.x series:

https://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_aoo41.html

Would it be beneficial to discuss system changes for the 4.2.x series?
This
might be helpful to those who have traditionally been involved with AOO
either as a user, or developer.

And, if such changes could be agreed upon, I think it would be very
beneficial to document these in  a new "Proposed System Requirements
for
4.2.x" page that could get widespread viewing by all.


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Re: Does AOO 4.2.x need new system requirements?

[Peter Kovacs]

At a seconed thought maybe it is to early for the recommandation page. I 
really can not wait when they hit beta stage. :-)
Maybe a blogpost which tells about the migration to MVCS14 we could 
mention reactOS and that we keep win XP binary format for now.

That is maybe better.


On 25.03.2018 18:02, Matthias Seidel wrote:


Am 25.03.2018 um 17:52 schrieb Marcus:

Am 25.03.2018 um 17:28 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 25.03.2018 um 17:23 schrieb Pedro Lino:

On March 25, 2018 at 12:32 PM Marcus  wrote:
I tend to agree but the wording is important. With "official support"
this would look like as we have built and tested on this platform.
As we
haven't done this we should avoid this misunderstanding.

Instead we can say in a different form that OpenOffice can run on
reactOS, like:

"possible alternative to Windows: ReactOS"
"can be installed and run on ReactOS

Can it be installed on ReactOS? Has anyone verified this? I was
never able to boot a Live ReactOS build of any version even on PCs
that were running Windows XP. It will not boot either on any newer
(Win7 or Win10) certified machines...

If somebody has had any different results with ReactOS and managed
to install OpenOffice, I'm curious to know.

Yes, I could install it. And it worked (sort of...)

https://plus.google.com/u/0/+MatthiasSeidel/posts/DJJeyoy

ah, great. Then we can add this really to the new sysreq webpage.

AOO has still some problems on their latest build (they test with 4.1.2):

https://www.reactos.org/wiki/Tests_for_0.4.8

I think we can mention it, but it is far from working smoothly...

Matthias


Marcus


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Re: Does AOO 4.2.x need new system requirements?

[Matthias Seidel]

Am 25.03.2018 um 17:52 schrieb Marcus:
> Am 25.03.2018 um 17:28 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> Am 25.03.2018 um 17:23 schrieb Pedro Lino:
 On March 25, 2018 at 12:32 PM Marcus  wrote:
 I tend to agree but the wording is important. With "official support"
 this would look like as we have built and tested on this platform.
 As we
 haven't done this we should avoid this misunderstanding.

 Instead we can say in a different form that OpenOffice can run on
 reactOS, like:

 "possible alternative to Windows: ReactOS"
 "can be installed and run on ReactOS
>>> Can it be installed on ReactOS? Has anyone verified this? I was
>>> never able to boot a Live ReactOS build of any version even on PCs
>>> that were running Windows XP. It will not boot either on any newer
>>> (Win7 or Win10) certified machines...
>>>
>>> If somebody has had any different results with ReactOS and managed
>>> to install OpenOffice, I'm curious to know.
>>
>> Yes, I could install it. And it worked (sort of...)
>>
>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+MatthiasSeidel/posts/DJJeyoy
>
> ah, great. Then we can add this really to the new sysreq webpage.

AOO has still some problems on their latest build (they test with 4.1.2):

https://www.reactos.org/wiki/Tests_for_0.4.8

I think we can mention it, but it is far from working smoothly...

Matthias

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Re: Does AOO 4.2.x need new system requirements?

[Marcus]

Am 25.03.2018 um 17:28 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 25.03.2018 um 17:23 schrieb Pedro Lino:

On March 25, 2018 at 12:32 PM Marcus  wrote:
I tend to agree but the wording is important. With "official support"
this would look like as we have built and tested on this platform. As we
haven't done this we should avoid this misunderstanding.

Instead we can say in a different form that OpenOffice can run on
reactOS, like:

"possible alternative to Windows: ReactOS"
"can be installed and run on ReactOS

Can it be installed on ReactOS? Has anyone verified this? I was never able to 
boot a Live ReactOS build of any version even on PCs that were running Windows 
XP. It will not boot either on any newer (Win7 or Win10) certified machines...

If somebody has had any different results with ReactOS and managed to install 
OpenOffice, I'm curious to know.


Yes, I could install it. And it worked (sort of...)

https://plus.google.com/u/0/+MatthiasSeidel/posts/DJJeyoy


ah, great. Then we can add this really to the new sysreq webpage.

Marcus


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Re: Does AOO 4.2.x need new system requirements?

[Matthias Seidel]

Am 25.03.2018 um 17:23 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>> On March 25, 2018 at 12:32 PM Marcus  wrote:
>> I tend to agree but the wording is important. With "official support" 
>> this would look like as we have built and tested on this platform. As we 
>> haven't done this we should avoid this misunderstanding.
>>
>> Instead we can say in a different form that OpenOffice can run on 
>> reactOS, like:
>>
>> "possible alternative to Windows: ReactOS"
>> "can be installed and run on ReactOS
> Can it be installed on ReactOS? Has anyone verified this? I was never able to 
> boot a Live ReactOS build of any version even on PCs that were running 
> Windows XP. It will not boot either on any newer (Win7 or Win10) certified 
> machines...
>
> If somebody has had any different results with ReactOS and managed to install 
> OpenOffice, I'm curious to know.

Yes, I could install it. And it worked (sort of...)

https://plus.google.com/u/0/+MatthiasSeidel/posts/DJJeyoy

Many optical glitches, but that may been a problem of my VM.

Regards,
   Matthias


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Re: Does AOO 4.2.x need new system requirements?

[Pedro Lino]

> On March 25, 2018 at 12:32 PM Marcus  wrote:

> I tend to agree but the wording is important. With "official support" 
> this would look like as we have built and tested on this platform. As we 
> haven't done this we should avoid this misunderstanding.
> 
> Instead we can say in a different form that OpenOffice can run on 
> reactOS, like:
> 
> "possible alternative to Windows: ReactOS"
> "can be installed and run on ReactOS

Can it be installed on ReactOS? Has anyone verified this? I was never able to 
boot a Live ReactOS build of any version even on PCs that were running Windows 
XP. It will not boot either on any newer (Win7 or Win10) certified machines...

If somebody has had any different results with ReactOS and managed to install 
OpenOffice, I'm curious to know.

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Re: Does AOO 4.2.x need new system requirements?

[Marcus]

Am 25.03.2018 um 11:47 schrieb Peter kovacs:

Well the Java section seems to need updated. I think we are now at 1.7 or 1.8 
right? Or do we still support 1.5 & 1.6? Don't think so. (And no body uses 
those versions I guess)

On Windows we agreed on continued support of Windows XP. However should we 
maybe add ReactOS as official support?
I am appreciating such a step.
Technically there is no difference for us.


I tend to agree but the wording is important. With "official support" 
this would look like as we have built and tested on this platform. As we 
haven't done this we should avoid this misunderstanding.


Instead we can say in a different form that OpenOffice can run on 
reactOS, like:


"possible alternative to Windows: ReactOS"
"can be installed and run on ReactOS


And it is the only Argument to keep Windows XP support.
If anyone does not know, React OS is a open source rebuild of Windows XP. 
Currently they support only Windows XP binary format, but they told me that the 
successor format used since Windows Vista is almost ready.

The stats for Linus look fine since I think glib 2.5 is older then what we 
actually use.


A little addition for Linux should be gstreamer as the version 0.10 will 
be exchanged with 1.0.



I do not believe we have big changes on Sizing or memory consumption.

I would think that a different page is a good idea.


+1

Marcus




Am 24. März 2018 22:27:17 MEZ schrieb Kay Schenk :

I think we all know AOO can't stand frozen in time with respect to what
platforms, libraries etc it will work with in the future, maybe even
the
very near future. This is not uncommon by any means and AOO has made
minimum OS requirement changes for some platforms on a regular basis.
In
some cases, these changes were not known to the user community,
especially,
until release time, and this has caused issues in the past.

Some development changes are in progress that seem to be different than
our
stated "System Requirements" for the 4.1.x series:

https://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_aoo41.html

Would it be beneficial to discuss system changes for the 4.2.x series?
This
might be helpful to those who have traditionally been involved with AOO
either as a user, or developer.

And, if such changes could be agreed upon, I think it would be very
beneficial to document these in  a new "Proposed System Requirements
for
4.2.x" page that could get widespread viewing by all.


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Re: Does AOO 4.2.x need new system requirements?

[Peter kovacs]

Well the Java section seems to need updated. I think we are now at 1.7 or 1.8 
right? Or do we still support 1.5 & 1.6? Don't think so. (And no body uses 
those versions I guess)

On Windows we agreed on continued support of Windows XP. However should we 
maybe add ReactOS as official support?
I am appreciating such a step.
Technically there is no difference for us.
And it is the only Argument to keep Windows XP support. 
If anyone does not know, React OS is a open source rebuild of Windows XP. 
Currently they support only Windows XP binary format, but they told me that the 
successor format used since Windows Vista is almost ready.

The stats for Linus look fine since I think glib 2.5 is older then what we 
actually use.

I do not believe we have big changes on Sizing or memory consumption.

I would think that a different page is a good idea.

Am 24. März 2018 22:27:17 MEZ schrieb Kay Schenk :
>I think we all know AOO can't stand frozen in time with respect to what
>platforms, libraries etc it will work with in the future, maybe even
>the
>very near future. This is not uncommon by any means and AOO has made
>minimum OS requirement changes for some platforms on a regular basis.
>In
>some cases, these changes were not known to the user community,
>especially,
>until release time, and this has caused issues in the past.
>
>Some development changes are in progress that seem to be different than
>our
>stated "System Requirements" for the 4.1.x series:
>
>https://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_aoo41.html
>
>Would it be beneficial to discuss system changes for the 4.2.x series?
>This
>might be helpful to those who have traditionally been involved with AOO
>either as a user, or developer.
>
>And, if such changes could be agreed upon, I think it would be very
>beneficial to document these in  a new "Proposed System Requirements
>for
>4.2.x" page that could get widespread viewing by all.

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