Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Bidouille]

Hello team,

FYI this issue still present since 4.1.5
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127646

Cruel issue

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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Marcus]

Am 18.05.20 um 00:37 schrieb Marcus:

Am 17.05.20 um 12:30 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 17.05.20 um 12:25 schrieb Marcus:

Don't panic, you do not need to be a software engineer or programmer
though those skills are always needed.


2 x need(ed)...

I would rather write:

...  though those skills are always helpful.

or

...  though those skills are always welcome.


yes, one need is too much. I've chosen "welcome" as it sounds the best.


forgot to post the link to the new blog post:

https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/apache-openoffice-needs-your-help

Marcus


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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Patricia Shanahan]

On 5/17/2020 3:29 PM, Marcus wrote:

Am 17.05.20 um 23:13 schrieb Brian Barker:

At 16:55 17/05/2020 -0400, Keith N. McKenna wrote:
The Apache® OpenOffice® Projekt is on the road to a bigger update 
for its leading open source office suite.


The changes look good except that its should be either it is or it's 
it would probably be better to use it is rather than the contraction 
it's.


*No!* Once again, in "for its leading open source office suite" the 
"its" is a possessive pronoun, spelled without an apostrophe (cf. his, 
not *hi's!), and does not stand for "it is".


I've replaced the problematic word with "the". If this st also not 
correct, then the blog post could be edited after it was published.


I am putting on my native English speaker hat, to make up for my 
regrettable lack of any skill in German.


"Its" is the possessive form of "It". "It's" is the contraction for "It is".

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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Marcus]

Am 17.05.20 um 12:30 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 17.05.20 um 12:25 schrieb Marcus:

Don't panic, you do not need to be a software engineer or programmer
though those skills are always needed.


2 x need(ed)...

I would rather write:

...  though those skills are always helpful.

or

...  though those skills are always welcome.


yes, one need is too much. I've chosen "welcome" as it sounds the best.

Thanks

Marcus


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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Marcus]

Am 17.05.20 um 23:13 schrieb Brian Barker:

At 16:55 17/05/2020 -0400, Keith N. McKenna wrote:
The Apache® OpenOffice® Projekt is on the road to a bigger update for 
its leading open source office suite.


The changes look good except that its should be either it is or it's 
it would probably be better to use it is rather than the contraction 
it's.


*No!* Once again, in "for its leading open source office suite" the 
"its" is a possessive pronoun, spelled without an apostrophe (cf. his, 
not *hi's!), and does not stand for "it is".


I've replaced the problematic word with "the". If this st also not 
correct, then the blog post could be edited after it was published.


Thanks

Marcus


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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Brian Barker]

At 16:55 17/05/2020 -0400, Keith N. McKenna wrote:
The Apache® OpenOffice® Projekt is on the road 
to a bigger update for its leading open source office suite.


The changes look good except that its should be 
either it is or it's it would probably be better 
to use it is rather than the contraction it's.


*No!* Once again, in "for its leading open source 
office suite" the "its" is a possessive pronoun, 
spelled without an apostrophe (cf. his, not 
*hi's!), and does not stand for "it is".


Brian Barker 



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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Keith N. McKenna]

On 5/17/2020 5:56 AM, Marcus wrote:
> Am 12.05.20 um 03:47 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:
>> As promised here is a draft for a high level blog post. It is rough so
>> please feel free to edit to your hearts content or to make any
>> suggestions.
>>
>> Would you like to help with the development of the leading open source
>> office suite? This is your chance. Apache® OpenOffice® needs people to
>> help in the development process. You do not need to be a software
>> engineer or programmer though those skills are always needed. The
>> project needs people who will install the software and to test it for
>> quality, reliability, and submit bug reports, write documentation, and
>> other tasks as well. If this sounds like something that you would be
>> interested in than join with many others from all over the world on our
>> development mailing list by sending an e-mail to
>> mailto:dev-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org and join the fun.
> 
> thanks a lot for the text. I've changed it a bit and now asking for
> feedback. When there are no bigger changes I would like to post it today
> late evening on our blog.
> 
> Do we want to point the people to the new dev release or not? I'm not
> sure what the lastest status is.
> 
> 
> 
> The Apache® OpenOffice® Projekt is on the road to a bigger update for
> its leading open source office suite.
> 
> This is your chance. OpenOffice needs people to help in the development
> process. Don't panic, you do not need to be a software engineer or
> programmer though those skills are always needed. It's enough when you
> just install the software and test it for quality, reliability, language
> translations and submit bug reports, write documentation, and many other
> tasks as well.
> 
> If this sounds like something that you would be interested in than join
> with many others from all over the world on our development mailing list
> by sending an e-mail to dev@
>  and join the fun.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Marcus

Marcus;

The changes look good except that its should be either it is or it's it
would probably be better to use it is rather than the contraction it's.
The only other as mentioned is Project rather than projekt.

As far as pointing people to the dev release there is a thread on
private@ discussing that. As far as it being in the blog post, no that
would be a problem.

Regards
Keith




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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Pedro Lino]

Hi Brian, all

> Aaargh, no! The possessive pronoun is "its", not "it's". Stet.

You are absolutely correct. My bad! Sorry!

Fortunately Marcus replaced its by the ;)

Cheers,
Pedro

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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Brian Barker]

At 11:19 17/05/2020 +0100, Pedro Lino wrote:

Some corrections/suggestions

The Apache® OpenOffice® Projekt is on the road 
to a bigger update for its leading open source office suite.


[...]; it's not its


Aaargh, no! The possessive pronoun is "its", not "it's". Stet.

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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Marcus, all,

Am 17.05.20 um 12:25 schrieb Marcus:
> Don't panic, you do not need to be a software engineer or programmer
> though those skills are always needed.

2 x need(ed)...

I would rather write:

...  though those skills are always helpful.

or

...  though those skills are always welcome.

Regards,

   Matthias




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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Marcus]

Am 17.05.20 um 12:19 schrieb Pedro Lino:

Some corrections/suggestions


The Apache® OpenOffice® Projekt is on the road to a bigger update for
its leading open source office suite.


Project not Projekt; it's not its


and not German ;-)


It's enough when you
just install the software and test it for quality, reliability, language
translations and submit bug reports, write documentation, and many other
tasks as well.


I would replace the first line with with "You can contribute a lot if you"
  

If this sounds like something that you would be interested in than join


then not than


Thanks for the corrections. Here's the new complete text:



The Apache® OpenOffice® Project is on the road to a bigger update for 
the leading open source office suite.


This is your chance. OpenOffice needs people to help in the development 
process. Don't panic, you do not need to be a software engineer or 
programmer though those skills are always needed. You can already 
contribute a lot if you just install the software and test it for 
quality, reliability, language translations and submit bug reports, 
write documentation, and many other tasks as well.


If this sounds like something that you would be interested in then join 
with many others from all over the world on our development mailing list 
by sending an e-mail to "dev@" 
 and join the fun.




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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Pedro Lino]

Hi Marcus, all

Some corrections/suggestions

> The Apache® OpenOffice® Projekt is on the road to a bigger update for 
> its leading open source office suite.

Project not Projekt; it's not its
 
> It's enough when you 
> just install the software and test it for quality, reliability, language 
> translations and submit bug reports, write documentation, and many other 
> tasks as well.

I would replace the first line with with "You can contribute a lot if you" 
 
> If this sounds like something that you would be interested in than join 

then not than

Regards,
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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Marcus]

Am 12.05.20 um 03:47 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:

As promised here is a draft for a high level blog post. It is rough so
please feel free to edit to your hearts content or to make any suggestions.

Would you like to help with the development of the leading open source
office suite? This is your chance. Apache® OpenOffice® needs people to
help in the development process. You do not need to be a software
engineer or programmer though those skills are always needed. The
project needs people who will install the software and to test it for
quality, reliability, and submit bug reports, write documentation, and
other tasks as well. If this sounds like something that you would be
interested in than join with many others from all over the world on our
development mailing list by sending an e-mail to
mailto:dev-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org and join the fun.


thanks a lot for the text. I've changed it a bit and now asking for 
feedback. When there are no bigger changes I would like to post it today 
late evening on our blog.


Do we want to point the people to the new dev release or not? I'm not 
sure what the lastest status is.




The Apache® OpenOffice® Projekt is on the road to a bigger update for 
its leading open source office suite.


This is your chance. OpenOffice needs people to help in the development 
process. Don't panic, you do not need to be a software engineer or 
programmer though those skills are always needed. It's enough when you 
just install the software and test it for quality, reliability, language 
translations and submit bug reports, write documentation, and many other 
tasks as well.


If this sounds like something that you would be interested in than join 
with many others from all over the world on our development mailing list 
by sending an e-mail to dev@ 
 and join the fun.




Thanks

Marcus


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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Keith N. McKenna]

>>
>> Regards
>> Keith
>>
> Sorry about the delay with the death of my father-in-law I have been
> babysitting the kids as my wife is with her mother going through the
> legal rigamarole that has to be taken care of and my daughter is working
> so I have the kids. Needless to say trying to think straight with a 9
> and 11 year old under foot is darn near impossible. Will hopefully have
> something to review later tonight.
> 
> Regards
> Keith
> 
> 
As promised here is a draft for a high level blog post. It is rough so
please feel free to edit to your hearts content or to make any suggestions.

Would you like to help with the development of the leading open source
office suite? This is your chance. Apache® OpenOffice® needs people to
help in the development process. You do not need to be a software
engineer or programmer though those skills are always needed. The
project needs people who will install the software and to test it for
quality, reliability, and submit bug reports, write documentation, and
other tasks as well. If this sounds like something that you would be
interested in than join with many others from all over the world on our
development mailing list by sending an e-mail to
mailto:dev-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org and join the fun.

Regards
Keith





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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Keith N. McKenna]

On 5/4/2020 4:49 PM, Keith N. McKenna wrote:
> On 5/4/2020 1:27 PM, Marcus wrote:
>> Am 04.05.20 um 19:16 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:
>>> On 5/4/2020 11:40 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
 Hi Keith,
 Hi Matthias Comments in line
 Am 04.05.20 um 17:30 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:
> On 5/4/2020 9:33 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> Am 04.05.20 um 14:53 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
 On May 3, 2020, at 1:58 PM, Matthias Seidel
  wrote:

 Hi Jim,

 Am 29.04.20 um 20:43 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> OK, so I have available a handful of Lang builds for Linux 64bit
> and macOS available at
>
>    o http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/
>
> These are of HEAD of AOO42X and were built as developer
> releases... these are not the "official" Dev2m2 releases
> however, although they are in a directory that implies otherwise.
>
> Once people give these a quick A-OK, I can go ahead and do the
> *real* and *official* Dev2/4.2.0-m2 builds
 All needed languages (including the 5 new ones) are now updated
 in trunk
 and cherry-picked for AOO42X.

 How do we proceed? Create a tag for Dev2?
 I have seen no objections so far, assuming that everyone is OK
 with it...

>>> Yep, I think a tag makes the most sense... I'll wait a bit for
>>> people to chime in.
>> Great!
>> As I already wrote, the French language file needs to be fixed, we are
>> working on it...
>>
>> BTW:
>> This time we should really have a Blog post about Dev2. Any
>> volunteers? ;-)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>     Matthias
>>
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> NOTE: This post is made with my personal hat on.
> Matthias;
>
> I am not sure that a blog post for dev release is a wise idea. To me it
> would go against the Release Policy As stated at:
> http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#publication. Either
> that
> or the blog post would need to be carefully worded at a very high level
> with little detail and must not contain any link to the compiled
> artifacts at all.

 If I read that URL right a Blog post would really be inappropriate...

 But then, the whole Dev Build is useless, if nobody is supposed to know
 of it.
 In the end that's why we make a "Developer Snapshot" branded version.
 ;-)

>>> he dev builds are fine as long as they are announced on dev@. See the
>>> following quote from the policy.> The only people who are supposed to
>>> know about such developer resources are individuals actively
>>> participating in development or following the dev list and thus aware of
>>> the conditions placed on unreleased materials.
>>
>> I also think that - in this case - a posting on @dev is the best we can
>> do. So, Keith you still can try to draft the text.
>>
>> Marcus
> Sounds good to me Marcus, I will work on that draft later today.
> 
> Regards
> Keith
> 
Sorry about the delay with the death of my father-in-law I have been
babysitting the kids as my wife is with her mother going through the
legal rigamarole that has to be taken care of and my daughter is working
so I have the kids. Needless to say trying to think straight with a 9
and 11 year old under foot is darn near impossible. Will hopefully have
something to review later tonight.

Regards
Keith




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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Pedro Lino]

Hi Jim, Matthias

>  Any chance you (Jim) can share a regular test build of branch 4.2 for 
>  Linux x64 (after the official Dev2)?
> >>> That's up to Jim. Our buildbots produce builds, but they are on Ubuntu...
> >> Yes, I do hope he considers my request. The buildbot versions do not 
> >> include language packs
> >>
> > How regular? Monthy? 2x a month?
> For my Windows builds I have no fixed schedule but I try to build once
> in a month.
> And only a subset of languages (23 now).

Once a month is perfect!

It would be fantastic if they could be synchronized with Matthias' builds
They would not have to be built on the same day but would be compiled from the 
same source pull request
This would allow to check if any issue that pops up affects one or more 
Platforms.

If this is not possible then this can be checked later on the RC builds

Thank you both!

Regards,
Pedro

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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Jim,

Am 11.05.20 um 16:22 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>
>> On May 10, 2020, at 5:13 AM, Pedro Lino  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Matthias, Jim
>>
>>> To be honest, there are still enough issues to fix... But I thought it
>>> would be time for a little bit of fun! ;-)
>>>
>>> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about.png
>> I agree. Personally I think that aside from taking advantage of the "4 ever" 
>> expression, I would not mind if we keep improving/perfecting version 4 ad 
>> infinitum.
>>
>>> BTW: If you ever come to Hamburg you get a free beer, too!
>> Thanks! Who knows? :)
>>
 Any chance you (Jim) can share a regular test build of branch 4.2 for 
 Linux x64 (after the official Dev2)?
>>> That's up to Jim. Our buildbots produce builds, but they are on Ubuntu...
>> Yes, I do hope he considers my request. The buildbot versions do not include 
>> language packs
>>
> How regular? Monthy? 2x a month?
For my Windows builds I have no fixed schedule but I try to build once
in a month.
And only a subset of languages (23 now).
>
>
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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Jim Jagielski]

> On May 10, 2020, at 5:13 AM, Pedro Lino  wrote:
> 
> Hi Matthias, Jim
> 
>> To be honest, there are still enough issues to fix... But I thought it
>> would be time for a little bit of fun! ;-)
>> 
>> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about.png
> 
> I agree. Personally I think that aside from taking advantage of the "4 ever" 
> expression, I would not mind if we keep improving/perfecting version 4 ad 
> infinitum.
> 
>> BTW: If you ever come to Hamburg you get a free beer, too!
> 
> Thanks! Who knows? :)
> 
>>> Any chance you (Jim) can share a regular test build of branch 4.2 for Linux 
>>> x64 (after the official Dev2)?
>> 
>> That's up to Jim. Our buildbots produce builds, but they are on Ubuntu...
> 
> Yes, I do hope he considers my request. The buildbot versions do not include 
> language packs
> 

How regular? Monthy? 2x a month?


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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Pedro Lino]

Hi Matthias, Jim

> To be honest, there are still enough issues to fix... But I thought it
> would be time for a little bit of fun! ;-)
> 
> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about.png

I agree. Personally I think that aside from taking advantage of the "4 ever" 
expression, I would not mind if we keep improving/perfecting version 4 ad 
infinitum.
 
> BTW: If you ever come to Hamburg you get a free beer, too!

Thanks! Who knows? :)
 
> > Any chance you (Jim) can share a regular test build of branch 4.2 for Linux 
> > x64 (after the official Dev2)?
> 
> That's up to Jim. Our buildbots produce builds, but they are on Ubuntu...

Yes, I do hope he considers my request. The buildbot versions do not include 
language packs

Regards,
Pedro

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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Pedro,

Am 09.05.20 um 23:15 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi all
>
>
>> On May 7, 2020 7:46 PM Matthias Seidel  
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> My local Windows build was successful. All issues with language files 
>> are solved now.
>> Time to do an official Dev2! ;-)
>>
> It is working perfectly (4 ever) ;)

To be honest, there are still enough issues to fix... But I thought it
would be time for a little bit of fun! ;-)

https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about.png

BTW: If you ever come to Hamburg you get a free beer, too!

>
> Any chance you (Jim) can share a regular test build of branch 4.2 for Linux 
> x64 (after the official Dev2)?

That's up to Jim. Our buildbots produce builds, but they are on Ubuntu...

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> Thanks!
>
> Regards,
> Pedro
>



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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Pedro Lino]

Hi all


> On May 7, 2020 7:46 PM Matthias Seidel  wrote:
> 
> 
> My local Windows build was successful. All issues with language files are 
> solved now.
> Time to do an official Dev2! ;-)
> 

It is working perfectly (4 ever) ;)

Any chance you (Jim) can share a regular test build of branch 4.2 for Linux x64 
(after the official Dev2)?

Thanks!

Regards,
Pedro

Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Jim,

Am 04.05.20 um 14:53 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>
>> On May 3, 2020, at 1:58 PM, Matthias Seidel  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> Am 29.04.20 um 20:43 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>> OK, so I have available a handful of Lang builds for Linux 64bit and macOS 
>>> available at
>>>
>>>   o http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/
>>>
>>> These are of HEAD of AOO42X and were built as developer releases... these 
>>> are not the "official" Dev2m2 releases however, although they are in a 
>>> directory that implies otherwise.
>>>
>>> Once people give these a quick A-OK, I can go ahead and do the *real* and 
>>> *official* Dev2/4.2.0-m2 builds
>> All needed languages (including the 5 new ones) are now updated in trunk
>> and cherry-picked for AOO42X.
>>
>> How do we proceed? Create a tag for Dev2?
>> I have seen no objections so far, assuming that everyone is OK with it...
>>
> Yep, I think a tag makes the most sense... I'll wait a bit for people to 
> chime in.

My local Windows build was successful. All issues with language files
are solved now.
Time to do an official Dev2! ;-)

Thinking about it:

Does a (GitHub) tag contain the "RepoRevision"? Or do we have to do
"dmake aoo_srcrelease" for that?

Regards,

   Matthias

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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Dave Fisher]

> On May 4, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Keith N. McKenna  
> wrote:
> 
> On 5/4/2020 1:27 PM, Marcus wrote:
>> Am 04.05.20 um 19:16 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:
>>> On 5/4/2020 11:40 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
 Hi Keith,
 Hi Matthias Comments in line
 Am 04.05.20 um 17:30 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:
> On 5/4/2020 9:33 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>> Hi Jim,
>> 
>> Am 04.05.20 um 14:53 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
 On May 3, 2020, at 1:58 PM, Matthias Seidel
  wrote:
 
 Hi Jim,
 
 Am 29.04.20 um 20:43 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> OK, so I have available a handful of Lang builds for Linux 64bit
> and macOS available at
> 
>o http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/
> 
> These are of HEAD of AOO42X and were built as developer
> releases... these are not the "official" Dev2m2 releases
> however, although they are in a directory that implies otherwise.
> 
> Once people give these a quick A-OK, I can go ahead and do the
> *real* and *official* Dev2/4.2.0-m2 builds
 All needed languages (including the 5 new ones) are now updated
 in trunk
 and cherry-picked for AOO42X.
 
 How do we proceed? Create a tag for Dev2?
 I have seen no objections so far, assuming that everyone is OK
 with it...
 
>>> Yep, I think a tag makes the most sense... I'll wait a bit for
>>> people to chime in.
>> Great!
>> As I already wrote, the French language file needs to be fixed, we are
>> working on it...
>> 
>> BTW:
>> This time we should really have a Blog post about Dev2. Any
>> volunteers? ;-)
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
> NOTE: This post is made with my personal hat on.
> Matthias;
> 
> I am not sure that a blog post for dev release is a wise idea. To me it
> would go against the Release Policy As stated at:
> http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#publication. Either
> that
> or the blog post would need to be carefully worded at a very high level
> with little detail and must not contain any link to the compiled
> artifacts at all.
 
 If I read that URL right a Blog post would really be inappropriate...
 
 But then, the whole Dev Build is useless, if nobody is supposed to know
 of it.
 In the end that's why we make a "Developer Snapshot" branded version.
 ;-)
 
>>> he dev builds are fine as long as they are announced on dev@. See the
>>> following quote from the policy.> The only people who are supposed to
>>> know about such developer resources are individuals actively
>>> participating in development or following the dev list and thus aware of
>>> the conditions placed on unreleased materials.
>> 
>> I also think that - in this case - a posting on @dev is the best we can
>> do. So, Keith you still can try to draft the text.
>> 
>> Marcus
> Sounds good to me Marcus, I will work on that draft later today.

I think we could have a blog post asking that anyone who wants to help test 
development builds should join us on dev@openoffice.apache.org

Regards,
Dave

> 
> Regards
> Keith
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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Keith N. McKenna]

On 5/4/2020 1:27 PM, Marcus wrote:
> Am 04.05.20 um 19:16 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:
>> On 5/4/2020 11:40 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>> Hi Keith,
>>> Hi Matthias Comments in line
>>> Am 04.05.20 um 17:30 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:
 On 5/4/2020 9:33 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> Am 04.05.20 um 14:53 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>> On May 3, 2020, at 1:58 PM, Matthias Seidel
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Jim,
>>>
>>> Am 29.04.20 um 20:43 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
 OK, so I have available a handful of Lang builds for Linux 64bit
 and macOS available at

    o http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/

 These are of HEAD of AOO42X and were built as developer
 releases... these are not the "official" Dev2m2 releases
 however, although they are in a directory that implies otherwise.

 Once people give these a quick A-OK, I can go ahead and do the
 *real* and *official* Dev2/4.2.0-m2 builds
>>> All needed languages (including the 5 new ones) are now updated
>>> in trunk
>>> and cherry-picked for AOO42X.
>>>
>>> How do we proceed? Create a tag for Dev2?
>>> I have seen no objections so far, assuming that everyone is OK
>>> with it...
>>>
>> Yep, I think a tag makes the most sense... I'll wait a bit for
>> people to chime in.
> Great!
> As I already wrote, the French language file needs to be fixed, we are
> working on it...
>
> BTW:
> This time we should really have a Blog post about Dev2. Any
> volunteers? ;-)
>
> Regards,
>
>     Matthias
>
>>
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>>
 NOTE: This post is made with my personal hat on.
 Matthias;

 I am not sure that a blog post for dev release is a wise idea. To me it
 would go against the Release Policy As stated at:
 http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#publication. Either
 that
 or the blog post would need to be carefully worded at a very high level
 with little detail and must not contain any link to the compiled
 artifacts at all.
>>>
>>> If I read that URL right a Blog post would really be inappropriate...
>>>
>>> But then, the whole Dev Build is useless, if nobody is supposed to know
>>> of it.
>>> In the end that's why we make a "Developer Snapshot" branded version.
>>> ;-)
>>>
>> he dev builds are fine as long as they are announced on dev@. See the
>> following quote from the policy.> The only people who are supposed to
>> know about such developer resources are individuals actively
>> participating in development or following the dev list and thus aware of
>> the conditions placed on unreleased materials.
> 
> I also think that - in this case - a posting on @dev is the best we can
> do. So, Keith you still can try to draft the text.
> 
> Marcus
Sounds good to me Marcus, I will work on that draft later today.

Regards
Keith



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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Kay Schenk]

Just installed the linux 64 bit, en-US on my machine.

All good so far with just few documents. Onto to Calc later.

Regards,

Kay


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On May 3, 2020, at 1:58 PM, Matthias Seidel  wrote:

Hi Jim,

Am 29.04.20 um 20:43 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

OK, so I have available a handful of Lang builds for Linux 64bit and macOS 
available at

   o http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/

These are of HEAD of AOO42X and were built as developer releases... these are not the 
"official" Dev2m2 releases however, although they are in a directory that 
implies otherwise.

Once people give these a quick A-OK, I can go ahead and do the *real* and 
*official* Dev2/4.2.0-m2 builds

All needed languages (including the 5 new ones) are now updated in trunk
and cherry-picked for AOO42X.

How do we proceed? Create a tag for Dev2?
I have seen no objections so far, assuming that everyone is OK with it...


Yep, I think a tag makes the most sense... I'll wait a bit for people to chime 
in.


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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Marcus]

Am 04.05.20 um 19:16 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:

On 5/4/2020 11:40 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:

Hi Keith,
Hi Matthias Comments in line
Am 04.05.20 um 17:30 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:

On 5/4/2020 9:33 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:

Hi Jim,

Am 04.05.20 um 14:53 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

On May 3, 2020, at 1:58 PM, Matthias Seidel  wrote:

Hi Jim,

Am 29.04.20 um 20:43 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

OK, so I have available a handful of Lang builds for Linux 64bit and macOS 
available at

   o http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/

These are of HEAD of AOO42X and were built as developer releases... these are not the 
"official" Dev2m2 releases however, although they are in a directory that 
implies otherwise.

Once people give these a quick A-OK, I can go ahead and do the *real* and 
*official* Dev2/4.2.0-m2 builds

All needed languages (including the 5 new ones) are now updated in trunk
and cherry-picked for AOO42X.

How do we proceed? Create a tag for Dev2?
I have seen no objections so far, assuming that everyone is OK with it...


Yep, I think a tag makes the most sense... I'll wait a bit for people to chime 
in.

Great!
As I already wrote, the French language file needs to be fixed, we are
working on it...

BTW:
This time we should really have a Blog post about Dev2. Any volunteers? ;-)

Regards,

    Matthias



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NOTE: This post is made with my personal hat on.
Matthias;

I am not sure that a blog post for dev release is a wise idea. To me it
would go against the Release Policy As stated at:
http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#publication. Either that
or the blog post would need to be carefully worded at a very high level
with little detail and must not contain any link to the compiled
artifacts at all.


If I read that URL right a Blog post would really be inappropriate...

But then, the whole Dev Build is useless, if nobody is supposed to know
of it.
In the end that's why we make a "Developer Snapshot" branded version. ;-)


he dev builds are fine as long as they are announced on dev@. See the
following quote from the policy.> The only people who are supposed to
know about such developer resources are individuals actively
participating in development or following the dev list and thus aware of
the conditions placed on unreleased materials.


I also think that - in this case - a posting on @dev is the best we can 
do. So, Keith you still can try to draft the text.


Marcus


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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Keith N. McKenna]

On 5/4/2020 11:40 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
> Hi Keith,
> Hi Matthias Comments in line
> Am 04.05.20 um 17:30 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:
>> On 5/4/2020 9:33 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>> Hi Jim,
>>>
>>> Am 04.05.20 um 14:53 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> On May 3, 2020, at 1:58 PM, Matthias Seidel  
> wrote:
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Am 29.04.20 um 20:43 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>> OK, so I have available a handful of Lang builds for Linux 64bit and 
>> macOS available at
>>
>>   o http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/
>>
>> These are of HEAD of AOO42X and were built as developer releases... 
>> these are not the "official" Dev2m2 releases however, although they are 
>> in a directory that implies otherwise.
>>
>> Once people give these a quick A-OK, I can go ahead and do the *real* 
>> and *official* Dev2/4.2.0-m2 builds
> All needed languages (including the 5 new ones) are now updated in trunk
> and cherry-picked for AOO42X.
>
> How do we proceed? Create a tag for Dev2?
> I have seen no objections so far, assuming that everyone is OK with it...
>
 Yep, I think a tag makes the most sense... I'll wait a bit for people to 
 chime in.
>>> Great!
>>> As I already wrote, the French language file needs to be fixed, we are
>>> working on it...
>>>
>>> BTW:
>>> This time we should really have a Blog post about Dev2. Any volunteers? ;-)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>    Matthias
>>>

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>> NOTE: This post is made with my personal hat on.
>> Matthias;
>>
>> I am not sure that a blog post for dev release is a wise idea. To me it
>> would go against the Release Policy As stated at:
>> http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#publication. Either that
>> or the blog post would need to be carefully worded at a very high level
>> with little detail and must not contain any link to the compiled
>> artifacts at all.
> 
> If I read that URL right a Blog post would really be inappropriate...
> 
> But then, the whole Dev Build is useless, if nobody is supposed to know
> of it.
> In the end that's why we make a "Developer Snapshot" branded version. ;-)
> 
he dev builds are fine as long as they are announced on dev@. See the
following quote from the policy.> The only people who are supposed to
know about such developer resources are individuals actively
participating in development or following the dev list and thus aware of
the conditions placed on unreleased materials.

Given that statement I would recommend against a blog post. Lets wait
and see if any others chime in on this. Though I will start a possible
post tonight after I take the kids home.

Regards
Keith.

>>
>> I can try my hand at a draft post that I will post here later this
>> evening as I have my grandchildren all day due to a death in the family,
>> but I do not have rights to the Roller Software to publish it.
> 
> I think Marcus has rights on Roller.
> 
> Regards,
> 
>    Matthias
> 
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Keith
>>
>>
>>
> 




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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Keith,

Am 04.05.20 um 17:30 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:
> On 5/4/2020 9:33 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> Am 04.05.20 um 14:53 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
 On May 3, 2020, at 1:58 PM, Matthias Seidel  
 wrote:

 Hi Jim,

 Am 29.04.20 um 20:43 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> OK, so I have available a handful of Lang builds for Linux 64bit and 
> macOS available at
>
>   o http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/
>
> These are of HEAD of AOO42X and were built as developer releases... these 
> are not the "official" Dev2m2 releases however, although they are in a 
> directory that implies otherwise.
>
> Once people give these a quick A-OK, I can go ahead and do the *real* and 
> *official* Dev2/4.2.0-m2 builds
 All needed languages (including the 5 new ones) are now updated in trunk
 and cherry-picked for AOO42X.

 How do we proceed? Create a tag for Dev2?
 I have seen no objections so far, assuming that everyone is OK with it...

>>> Yep, I think a tag makes the most sense... I'll wait a bit for people to 
>>> chime in.
>> Great!
>> As I already wrote, the French language file needs to be fixed, we are
>> working on it...
>>
>> BTW:
>> This time we should really have a Blog post about Dev2. Any volunteers? ;-)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>    Matthias
>>
>>>
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> NOTE: This post is made with my personal hat on.
> Matthias;
>
> I am not sure that a blog post for dev release is a wise idea. To me it
> would go against the Release Policy As stated at:
> http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#publication. Either that
> or the blog post would need to be carefully worded at a very high level
> with little detail and must not contain any link to the compiled
> artifacts at all.

If I read that URL right a Blog post would really be inappropriate...

But then, the whole Dev Build is useless, if nobody is supposed to know
of it.
In the end that's why we make a "Developer Snapshot" branded version. ;-)

>
> I can try my hand at a draft post that I will post here later this
> evening as I have my grandchildren all day due to a death in the family,
> but I do not have rights to the Roller Software to publish it.

I think Marcus has rights on Roller.

Regards,

   Matthias

>
>
> Regards
> Keith
>
>
>



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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Keith N. McKenna]

On 5/4/2020 9:33 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
> Hi Jim,
> 
> Am 04.05.20 um 14:53 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>
>>> On May 3, 2020, at 1:58 PM, Matthias Seidel  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Jim,
>>>
>>> Am 29.04.20 um 20:43 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
 OK, so I have available a handful of Lang builds for Linux 64bit and macOS 
 available at

   o http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/

 These are of HEAD of AOO42X and were built as developer releases... these 
 are not the "official" Dev2m2 releases however, although they are in a 
 directory that implies otherwise.

 Once people give these a quick A-OK, I can go ahead and do the *real* and 
 *official* Dev2/4.2.0-m2 builds
>>> All needed languages (including the 5 new ones) are now updated in trunk
>>> and cherry-picked for AOO42X.
>>>
>>> How do we proceed? Create a tag for Dev2?
>>> I have seen no objections so far, assuming that everyone is OK with it...
>>>
>> Yep, I think a tag makes the most sense... I'll wait a bit for people to 
>> chime in.
> 
> Great!
> As I already wrote, the French language file needs to be fixed, we are
> working on it...
> 
> BTW:
> This time we should really have a Blog post about Dev2. Any volunteers? ;-)
> 
> Regards,
> 
>    Matthias
> 
>>
>>
>> -
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> 
NOTE: This post is made with my personal hat on.
Matthias;

I am not sure that a blog post for dev release is a wise idea. To me it
would go against the Release Policy As stated at:
http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#publication. Either that
or the blog post would need to be carefully worded at a very high level
with little detail and must not contain any link to the compiled
artifacts at all.

I can try my hand at a draft post that I will post here later this
evening as I have my grandchildren all day due to a death in the family,
but I do not have rights to the Roller Software to publish it.


Regards
Keith





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Re: macOS and AOO42X

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Hello

>> Yep, I think a tag makes the most sense... I'll wait a bit for people to 
>> chime in.
> 
> Great!
> As I already wrote, the French language file needs to be fixed, we are
> working on it...

French and Oromoo are fine now. I will do the *.sdf files tomorrow aftr
the backup next night.
> 
> BTW:
> This time we should really have a Blog post about Dev2. Any volunteers? ;-)
> 
> Regards,
> 
>    Matthias

Kind regards

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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Peter Kovacs]

I am OK with the plan.


Am 04.05.20 um 14:53 schrieb Jim Jagielski:



On May 3, 2020, at 1:58 PM, Matthias Seidel  wrote:

Hi Jim,

Am 29.04.20 um 20:43 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

OK, so I have available a handful of Lang builds for Linux 64bit and macOS 
available at

   o http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/

These are of HEAD of AOO42X and were built as developer releases... these are not the 
"official" Dev2m2 releases however, although they are in a directory that 
implies otherwise.

Once people give these a quick A-OK, I can go ahead and do the *real* and 
*official* Dev2/4.2.0-m2 builds

All needed languages (including the 5 new ones) are now updated in trunk
and cherry-picked for AOO42X.

How do we proceed? Create a tag for Dev2?
I have seen no objections so far, assuming that everyone is OK with it...


Yep, I think a tag makes the most sense... I'll wait a bit for people to chime 
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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Jim,

Am 04.05.20 um 14:53 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>
>> On May 3, 2020, at 1:58 PM, Matthias Seidel  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> Am 29.04.20 um 20:43 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>> OK, so I have available a handful of Lang builds for Linux 64bit and macOS 
>>> available at
>>>
>>>   o http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/
>>>
>>> These are of HEAD of AOO42X and were built as developer releases... these 
>>> are not the "official" Dev2m2 releases however, although they are in a 
>>> directory that implies otherwise.
>>>
>>> Once people give these a quick A-OK, I can go ahead and do the *real* and 
>>> *official* Dev2/4.2.0-m2 builds
>> All needed languages (including the 5 new ones) are now updated in trunk
>> and cherry-picked for AOO42X.
>>
>> How do we proceed? Create a tag for Dev2?
>> I have seen no objections so far, assuming that everyone is OK with it...
>>
> Yep, I think a tag makes the most sense... I'll wait a bit for people to 
> chime in.

Great!
As I already wrote, the French language file needs to be fixed, we are
working on it...

BTW:
This time we should really have a Blog post about Dev2. Any volunteers? ;-)

Regards,

   Matthias

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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Jim Jagielski]

> On May 3, 2020, at 1:58 PM, Matthias Seidel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
> Am 29.04.20 um 20:43 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>> OK, so I have available a handful of Lang builds for Linux 64bit and macOS 
>> available at
>> 
>>   o http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/
>> 
>> These are of HEAD of AOO42X and were built as developer releases... these 
>> are not the "official" Dev2m2 releases however, although they are in a 
>> directory that implies otherwise.
>> 
>> Once people give these a quick A-OK, I can go ahead and do the *real* and 
>> *official* Dev2/4.2.0-m2 builds
> 
> All needed languages (including the 5 new ones) are now updated in trunk
> and cherry-picked for AOO42X.
> 
> How do we proceed? Create a tag for Dev2?
> I have seen no objections so far, assuming that everyone is OK with it...
> 

Yep, I think a tag makes the most sense... I'll wait a bit for people to chime 
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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Mechtilde]

+1

Am 03.05.20 um 19:58 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> Hi Jim,
> 
> Am 29.04.20 um 20:43 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>> OK, so I have available a handful of Lang builds for Linux 64bit and macOS 
>> available at
>>
>>o http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/
>>
>> These are of HEAD of AOO42X and were built as developer releases... these 
>> are not the "official" Dev2m2 releases however, although they are in a 
>> directory that implies otherwise.
>>
>> Once people give these a quick A-OK, I can go ahead and do the *real* and 
>> *official* Dev2/4.2.0-m2 builds
> 
> All needed languages (including the 5 new ones) are now updated in trunk
> and cherry-picked for AOO42X.
> 
> How do we proceed? Create a tag for Dev2?
> I have seen no objections so far, assuming that everyone is OK with it...
> 
> Regards,
> 
>    Matthias
> 
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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Jim,

Am 29.04.20 um 20:43 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> OK, so I have available a handful of Lang builds for Linux 64bit and macOS 
> available at
>
>o http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/
>
> These are of HEAD of AOO42X and were built as developer releases... these are 
> not the "official" Dev2m2 releases however, although they are in a directory 
> that implies otherwise.
>
> Once people give these a quick A-OK, I can go ahead and do the *real* and 
> *official* Dev2/4.2.0-m2 builds

All needed languages (including the 5 new ones) are now updated in trunk
and cherry-picked for AOO42X.

How do we proceed? Create a tag for Dev2?
I have seen no objections so far, assuming that everyone is OK with it...

Regards,

   Matthias

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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Marcus,

Am 03.05.20 um 19:39 schrieb Marcus:
> Am 03.05.20 um 12:16 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> Hi Marcus,
>>
>> Am 29.04.20 um 01:04 schrieb Marcus:
>>> Am 29.04.20 um 00:56 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
 Am 29.04.20 um 00:48 schrieb Marcus:
> Am 28.04.20 um 23:37 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> Am 28.04.20 um 23:33 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>>> Any chance the Dev2 can include certification for Windows OS?
>> No, this costs real money and will only be used for releases.
> I assume at least the RC will be certified?
> Yes, it costs money but it needs to be verified at some point
> before the first official release.
 I doubt it. But you can discuss that with the ASF if you want.
>>> Why should I discuss with ASF? Aren't the members of the AOO PMC
>>> convinced that you should not make experiments with Release
>>> versions? This will be the first AOO version certified. One of the
>>> RCs should be certified to make sure the certification
>>> process/script/steps is correct and that the certificate is
>>> correctly identified at least under Windows 10.
>>
>> If you want that you must discuss that with the ASF if they are
>> willing
>> to pay the costs for "one of the RCs".
>
> he is already discussing with ASF. ;-)
 But with the wrong person...
>>>
>>> hm, do you mean the treasurer? Otherwise I don't know who you mean.
>>
>> Exactly.
>>
>>>
>> The release will be signed. Thank you for your understanding!
>
> And when it runs into errors, the first question would be: Haven't
> you
> tested the signing? The answer would be embarrassing.
>
> So, lets try it.

 I already tested it, but thank you for volunteering!

 I will write you a mail with details. (Until now, I was the only one
 interested in the Windows Code Signing process)
>>>
>>> I have no interest in Windows at all. ;-)
>> That's a real problem.
>
> you shouldn't look too much on the black side. ;-)
> My daily worker is a Linux machine. However, I can look for / test
> something also on Windows.

That indeed sounds better than "I have no interest at all"! ;-)

We have several issues on Windows and it is still our biggest user base
(about 80%)

>
>>> But OK. I can see what I can do on the weekend.
>>
>> Maybe you could start with updating the download numbers?
>> We have passed the 290 million mark almost 2 weeks ago...
>
> Sure. I'll do a bigger update on Tuesday. Then we have the next
> complete weeks.

Thanks! I already updated the graphic/metadata on the web site.

Regards,

   Matthias

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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Marcus]

Am 03.05.20 um 12:16 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Hi Marcus,

Am 29.04.20 um 01:04 schrieb Marcus:

Am 29.04.20 um 00:56 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 29.04.20 um 00:48 schrieb Marcus:

Am 28.04.20 um 23:37 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 28.04.20 um 23:33 schrieb Pedro Lino:

Any chance the Dev2 can include certification for Windows OS?

No, this costs real money and will only be used for releases.

I assume at least the RC will be certified?
Yes, it costs money but it needs to be verified at some point
before the first official release.

I doubt it. But you can discuss that with the ASF if you want.

Why should I discuss with ASF? Aren't the members of the AOO PMC
convinced that you should not make experiments with Release
versions? This will be the first AOO version certified. One of the
RCs should be certified to make sure the certification
process/script/steps is correct and that the certificate is
correctly identified at least under Windows 10.


If you want that you must discuss that with the ASF if they are
willing
to pay the costs for "one of the RCs".


he is already discussing with ASF. ;-)

But with the wrong person...


hm, do you mean the treasurer? Otherwise I don't know who you mean.


Exactly.




The release will be signed. Thank you for your understanding!


And when it runs into errors, the first question would be: Haven't you
tested the signing? The answer would be embarrassing.

So, lets try it.


I already tested it, but thank you for volunteering!

I will write you a mail with details. (Until now, I was the only one
interested in the Windows Code Signing process)


I have no interest in Windows at all. ;-)

That's a real problem.


you shouldn't look too much on the black side. ;-)
My daily worker is a Linux machine. However, I can look for / test 
something also on Windows.



But OK. I can see what I can do on the weekend.


Maybe you could start with updating the download numbers?
We have passed the 290 million mark almost 2 weeks ago...


Sure. I'll do a bigger update on Tuesday. Then we have the next complete 
weeks.


Marcus


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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Marcus,

Am 29.04.20 um 01:04 schrieb Marcus:
> Am 29.04.20 um 00:56 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> Am 29.04.20 um 00:48 schrieb Marcus:
>>> Am 28.04.20 um 23:37 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
 Am 28.04.20 um 23:33 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Any chance the Dev2 can include certification for Windows OS?
 No, this costs real money and will only be used for releases.
>>> I assume at least the RC will be certified?
>>> Yes, it costs money but it needs to be verified at some point
>>> before the first official release.
>> I doubt it. But you can discuss that with the ASF if you want.
> Why should I discuss with ASF? Aren't the members of the AOO PMC
> convinced that you should not make experiments with Release
> versions? This will be the first AOO version certified. One of the
> RCs should be certified to make sure the certification
> process/script/steps is correct and that the certificate is
> correctly identified at least under Windows 10.

 If you want that you must discuss that with the ASF if they are
 willing
 to pay the costs for "one of the RCs".
>>>
>>> he is already discussing with ASF. ;-)
>> But with the wrong person...
>
> hm, do you mean the treasurer? Otherwise I don't know who you mean.

Exactly.

>
 The release will be signed. Thank you for your understanding!
>>>
>>> And when it runs into errors, the first question would be: Haven't you
>>> tested the signing? The answer would be embarrassing.
>>>
>>> So, lets try it.
>>
>> I already tested it, but thank you for volunteering!
>>
>> I will write you a mail with details. (Until now, I was the only one
>> interested in the Windows Code Signing process)
>
> I have no interest in Windows at all. ;-)
That's a real problem.
> But OK. I can see what I can do on the weekend.

Maybe you could start with updating the download numbers?
We have passed the 290 million mark almost 2 weeks ago...

Matthias

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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Pedro Lino]

Hi Matthias

> On April 30, 2020 6:51 PM Matthias Seidel  wrote:

> >> Just for clarification:
> >> There are a lot of little things (double spaces, wrong icons in help,
> >> etc.) in the source code that we have to fix.
> >> From time to time Mechtilde creates a new language template (en-US) and
> >> imports it in Pootle. This results in those strings that have to be to
> >> reviewed.

> > Thank you for the clarification. No problem! We want AOO to be as perfect 
> > as humanly possible. We are here to help reach that goal ;)

> I just wanted to make clear *why* there are "new" strings from time to
> time...

I'm sorry if that sounded ironic. I honestly was thanking you for the 
clarification.
I understand that changes in the code and corrections may require new 
translations. And for us (Pedro Alburquerque and myself) that is not a problem.

Kind regards,
Pedro

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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Jim,

Am 29.04.20 um 20:43 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> OK, so I have available a handful of Lang builds for Linux 64bit and macOS 
> available at
>
>o http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/
>
> These are of HEAD of AOO42X and were built as developer releases... these are 
> not the "official" Dev2m2 releases however, although they are in a directory 
> that implies otherwise.
>
> Once people give these a quick A-OK, I can go ahead and do the *real* and 
> *official* Dev2/4.2.0-m2 builds

OT:

A-OK...

I knew that sounds familiar to me but now I know you are a fan of
Supermarionation! [1] ;-)

Matthias

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarionation

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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi,

Am 30.04.20 um 19:39 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Matthias
>
>> Just for clarification:
>> There are a lot of little things (double spaces, wrong icons in help,
>> etc.) in the source code that we have to fix.
>> From time to time Mechtilde creates a new language template (en-US) and
>> imports it in Pootle. This results in those strings that have to be to
>> reviewed.
> Thank you for the clarification. No problem! We want AOO to be as perfect as 
> humanly possible. We are here to help reach that goal ;)
I just wanted to make clear *why* there are "new" strings from time to
time...
>  
>>> In my opinion it would be better to have an RC0 that installs on the same 
>>> path and uses the same profile as the release version for proper testing 
>>> than fixing Dev builds.
>> RC0 (which does not exist) would imply that we are in a release process.
> It could easily exist if the developers wanted.
> We could be on a tentative release process. LibreOffice 5.0 had 5 RCs.

We also have several RCs if needed, but only if we are in the release
process.

>
>> And the different path is on purpose, so the "normal" profile is not
>> touched by the Dev Build.
> I am aware of that ;)
> But on the other hand it prevents to detect regressions in the release 
> version... 
> There is no perfect plan :)
>
>> Since desktop integration works on Windows (and macOS?) it would be
>> better to fix it on Linux. 
> I do not disagree. But given the very reduced number/time of developers I 
> would be happier if they fixed problems such as the update bug in Linux
> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127774
>
> If they can fix both, better yet!

If you know a developer, feel free to ask him to fix it. ;-)

>
>> A Dev Build is for broader testing by a
>> bigger audience and I would like to do that more often.
>> 4.2.0 must be thoroughly tested (after all the time) and there are still
>> a lot of hurdles before we can release it.
> Again, I do not disagree. But having a bigger audience increases the volume 
> of feedback and obviously it increases the expectations of people 
> participating in the testing...
> Are there enough developers/developer-time to correspond to such expectations?

Are there enough testers?!

I do Test Builds almost every month, but I get absolutely *no*
feedback... Very disappointing!

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> Regards,
> Pedro
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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Pedro Lino]

Hi Matthias

> Just for clarification:
> There are a lot of little things (double spaces, wrong icons in help,
> etc.) in the source code that we have to fix.
> From time to time Mechtilde creates a new language template (en-US) and
> imports it in Pootle. This results in those strings that have to be to
> reviewed.

Thank you for the clarification. No problem! We want AOO to be as perfect as 
humanly possible. We are here to help reach that goal ;)
 
> > In my opinion it would be better to have an RC0 that installs on the same 
> > path and uses the same profile as the release version for proper testing 
> > than fixing Dev builds.
> 
> RC0 (which does not exist) would imply that we are in a release process.

It could easily exist if the developers wanted.
We could be on a tentative release process. LibreOffice 5.0 had 5 RCs.

> And the different path is on purpose, so the "normal" profile is not
> touched by the Dev Build.

I am aware of that ;)
But on the other hand it prevents to detect regressions in the release 
version... 
There is no perfect plan :)

> Since desktop integration works on Windows (and macOS?) it would be
> better to fix it on Linux. 

I do not disagree. But given the very reduced number/time of developers I would 
be happier if they fixed problems such as the update bug in Linux
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127774

If they can fix both, better yet!

> A Dev Build is for broader testing by a
> bigger audience and I would like to do that more often.
> 4.2.0 must be thoroughly tested (after all the time) and there are still
> a lot of hurdles before we can release it.

Again, I do not disagree. But having a bigger audience increases the volume of 
feedback and obviously it increases the expectations of people participating in 
the testing...
Are there enough developers/developer-time to correspond to such expectations?

Regards,
Pedro

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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Pedro,

Am 30.04.20 um 00:51 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Matthias, all
>
>> Let's wait for updated translations... I just posted a message on L10N@.
> Translation update in progress ;)

Thanks!

Just for clarification:
There are a lot of little things (double spaces, wrong icons in help,
etc.) in the source code that we have to fix.
From time to time Mechtilde creates a new language template (en-US) and
imports it in Pootle. This results in those strings that have to be to
reviewed.

>
>> BTW: Did we ever solve the "problem" with missing desktop integration on
>> Linux dev builds?
> Apparentely not. There are no links anywhere. The only way to run it is to 
> execute /opt/openoffice_developer_build4/program/soffice.bin
That's what I remember...
>
> In my opinion it would be better to have an RC0 that installs on the same 
> path and uses the same profile as the release version for proper testing than 
> fixing Dev builds.

RC0 (which does not exist) would imply that we are in a release process.
And the different path is on purpose, so the "normal" profile is not
touched by the Dev Build.

Since desktop integration works on Windows (and macOS?) it would be
better to fix it on Linux. A Dev Build is for broader testing by a
bigger audience and I would like to do that more often.
4.2.0 must be thoroughly tested (after all the time) and there are still
a lot of hurdles before we can release it.

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> Regards,
> Pedro
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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Pedro Lino]

Hi Matthias, all

> Let's wait for updated translations... I just posted a message on L10N@.

Translation update in progress ;)

> BTW: Did we ever solve the "problem" with missing desktop integration on
> Linux dev builds?

Apparentely not. There are no links anywhere. The only way to run it is to 
execute /opt/openoffice_developer_build4/program/soffice.bin

In my opinion it would be better to have an RC0 that installs on the same path 
and uses the same profile as the release version for proper testing than fixing 
Dev builds.

Regards,
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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Drew Jensen]

Should of put this in one email
SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=kde ./soffice actually makes it a bit more pronounced.
SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=gtk ./soffice runs as if the SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN was not
set on the command line.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 6:28 PM Drew Jensen 
wrote:

> Also if I start it with
> SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=gen ./soffice
> All the menu problems are gone.
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 6:05 PM Drew Jensen 
> wrote:
>
>> Just this one - nor did I have this problem with that 4.5 build from a
>> while back - same desktop setup then also.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 5:52 PM Matthias Seidel <
>> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Drew,
>>>
>>> Am 29.04.20 um 22:39 schrieb Drew Jensen:
>>> > Howdy,
>>> >
>>> > I fired up the binary for Linux under Ubuntu 18.04 (KDE/Plasma)
>>> > Having an issue with menus.
>>> > For most of them, start center and module top level menus, there is an
>>> odd
>>> > delay when they open where the frame for the menu is drawn and filled
>>> with
>>> > garbage for a second or so and then the menu item appear.
>>> > Some of the menus seem to have a bit more of an issue then others.
>>> > This particular start center menu is the worst, and the garbage remains
>>> > until I move the mouse cursor inside the menu frame and only then does
>>> the
>>> > menu items correctly display.
>>>
>>> Is this specific for the dev builds or does that also happen with builds
>>> from our buildbots or even 4.1.7?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>Matthias
>>>
>>> > Anyway - two screen shots to show you what I mean.
>>> > https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RNLprHKaiZPlvAnEGMoXZQey9KfXy4O0
>>> > https://drive.google.com/open?id=1akUxyWrpGaQ96fIXMs-XCeHN_HJZtfxU
>>> >
>>> > Best wishes,
>>> >
>>> > Drew
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:03 PM Matthias Seidel <
>>> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hi Jim,
>>> >>
>>> >> Am 29.04.20 um 20:43 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>> >>> OK, so I have available a handful of Lang builds for Linux 64bit and
>>> >> macOS available at
>>> >>>o http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/
>>> >>>
>>> >>> These are of HEAD of AOO42X and were built as developer releases...
>>> >> these are not the "official" Dev2m2 releases however, although they
>>> are in
>>> >> a directory that implies otherwise.
>>> >>> Once people give these a quick A-OK, I can go ahead and do the *real*
>>> >> and *official* Dev2/4.2.0-m2 builds
>>> >>
>>> >> Let's wait for updated translations... I just posted a message on
>>> L10N@.
>>> >>
>>> >> BTW: Did we ever solve the "problem" with missing desktop integration
>>> on
>>> >> Linux dev builds?
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >>
>>> >>Matthias
>>> >>
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>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>>

Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Drew Jensen]

Also if I start it with
SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=gen ./soffice
All the menu problems are gone.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 6:05 PM Drew Jensen 
wrote:

> Just this one - nor did I have this problem with that 4.5 build from a
> while back - same desktop setup then also.
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 5:52 PM Matthias Seidel <
> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>
>> Hi Drew,
>>
>> Am 29.04.20 um 22:39 schrieb Drew Jensen:
>> > Howdy,
>> >
>> > I fired up the binary for Linux under Ubuntu 18.04 (KDE/Plasma)
>> > Having an issue with menus.
>> > For most of them, start center and module top level menus, there is an
>> odd
>> > delay when they open where the frame for the menu is drawn and filled
>> with
>> > garbage for a second or so and then the menu item appear.
>> > Some of the menus seem to have a bit more of an issue then others.
>> > This particular start center menu is the worst, and the garbage remains
>> > until I move the mouse cursor inside the menu frame and only then does
>> the
>> > menu items correctly display.
>>
>> Is this specific for the dev builds or does that also happen with builds
>> from our buildbots or even 4.1.7?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>Matthias
>>
>> > Anyway - two screen shots to show you what I mean.
>> > https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RNLprHKaiZPlvAnEGMoXZQey9KfXy4O0
>> > https://drive.google.com/open?id=1akUxyWrpGaQ96fIXMs-XCeHN_HJZtfxU
>> >
>> > Best wishes,
>> >
>> > Drew
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:03 PM Matthias Seidel <
>> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Jim,
>> >>
>> >> Am 29.04.20 um 20:43 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>> >>> OK, so I have available a handful of Lang builds for Linux 64bit and
>> >> macOS available at
>> >>>o http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/
>> >>>
>> >>> These are of HEAD of AOO42X and were built as developer releases...
>> >> these are not the "official" Dev2m2 releases however, although they
>> are in
>> >> a directory that implies otherwise.
>> >>> Once people give these a quick A-OK, I can go ahead and do the *real*
>> >> and *official* Dev2/4.2.0-m2 builds
>> >>
>> >> Let's wait for updated translations... I just posted a message on L10N@
>> .
>> >>
>> >> BTW: Did we ever solve the "problem" with missing desktop integration
>> on
>> >> Linux dev builds?
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >>Matthias
>> >>
>> >>> -
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>> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
>> >>>
>> >>
>>
>>

Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Drew Jensen]

Just this one - nor did I have this problem with that 4.5 build from a
while back - same desktop setup then also.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 5:52 PM Matthias Seidel 
wrote:

> Hi Drew,
>
> Am 29.04.20 um 22:39 schrieb Drew Jensen:
> > Howdy,
> >
> > I fired up the binary for Linux under Ubuntu 18.04 (KDE/Plasma)
> > Having an issue with menus.
> > For most of them, start center and module top level menus, there is an
> odd
> > delay when they open where the frame for the menu is drawn and filled
> with
> > garbage for a second or so and then the menu item appear.
> > Some of the menus seem to have a bit more of an issue then others.
> > This particular start center menu is the worst, and the garbage remains
> > until I move the mouse cursor inside the menu frame and only then does
> the
> > menu items correctly display.
>
> Is this specific for the dev builds or does that also happen with builds
> from our buildbots or even 4.1.7?
>
> Regards,
>
>Matthias
>
> > Anyway - two screen shots to show you what I mean.
> > https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RNLprHKaiZPlvAnEGMoXZQey9KfXy4O0
> > https://drive.google.com/open?id=1akUxyWrpGaQ96fIXMs-XCeHN_HJZtfxU
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:03 PM Matthias Seidel <
> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Jim,
> >>
> >> Am 29.04.20 um 20:43 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> >>> OK, so I have available a handful of Lang builds for Linux 64bit and
> >> macOS available at
> >>>o http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/
> >>>
> >>> These are of HEAD of AOO42X and were built as developer releases...
> >> these are not the "official" Dev2m2 releases however, although they are
> in
> >> a directory that implies otherwise.
> >>> Once people give these a quick A-OK, I can go ahead and do the *real*
> >> and *official* Dev2/4.2.0-m2 builds
> >>
> >> Let's wait for updated translations... I just posted a message on L10N@
> .
> >>
> >> BTW: Did we ever solve the "problem" with missing desktop integration on
> >> Linux dev builds?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >>Matthias
> >>
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> >>>
> >>
>
>

Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Drew,

Am 29.04.20 um 22:39 schrieb Drew Jensen:
> Howdy,
>
> I fired up the binary for Linux under Ubuntu 18.04 (KDE/Plasma)
> Having an issue with menus.
> For most of them, start center and module top level menus, there is an odd
> delay when they open where the frame for the menu is drawn and filled with
> garbage for a second or so and then the menu item appear.
> Some of the menus seem to have a bit more of an issue then others.
> This particular start center menu is the worst, and the garbage remains
> until I move the mouse cursor inside the menu frame and only then does the
> menu items correctly display.

Is this specific for the dev builds or does that also happen with builds
from our buildbots or even 4.1.7?

Regards,

   Matthias

> Anyway - two screen shots to show you what I mean.
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RNLprHKaiZPlvAnEGMoXZQey9KfXy4O0
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1akUxyWrpGaQ96fIXMs-XCeHN_HJZtfxU
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Drew
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:03 PM Matthias Seidel 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> Am 29.04.20 um 20:43 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>> OK, so I have available a handful of Lang builds for Linux 64bit and
>> macOS available at
>>>o http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/
>>>
>>> These are of HEAD of AOO42X and were built as developer releases...
>> these are not the "official" Dev2m2 releases however, although they are in
>> a directory that implies otherwise.
>>> Once people give these a quick A-OK, I can go ahead and do the *real*
>> and *official* Dev2/4.2.0-m2 builds
>>
>> Let's wait for updated translations... I just posted a message on L10N@.
>>
>> BTW: Did we ever solve the "problem" with missing desktop integration on
>> Linux dev builds?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>Matthias
>>
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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy,

I fired up the binary for Linux under Ubuntu 18.04 (KDE/Plasma)
Having an issue with menus.
For most of them, start center and module top level menus, there is an odd
delay when they open where the frame for the menu is drawn and filled with
garbage for a second or so and then the menu item appear.
Some of the menus seem to have a bit more of an issue then others.
This particular start center menu is the worst, and the garbage remains
until I move the mouse cursor inside the menu frame and only then does the
menu items correctly display.
Anyway - two screen shots to show you what I mean.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RNLprHKaiZPlvAnEGMoXZQey9KfXy4O0
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1akUxyWrpGaQ96fIXMs-XCeHN_HJZtfxU

Best wishes,

Drew

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:03 PM Matthias Seidel 
wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> Am 29.04.20 um 20:43 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> > OK, so I have available a handful of Lang builds for Linux 64bit and
> macOS available at
> >
> >o http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/
> >
> > These are of HEAD of AOO42X and were built as developer releases...
> these are not the "official" Dev2m2 releases however, although they are in
> a directory that implies otherwise.
> >
> > Once people give these a quick A-OK, I can go ahead and do the *real*
> and *official* Dev2/4.2.0-m2 builds
>
> Let's wait for updated translations... I just posted a message on L10N@.
>
> BTW: Did we ever solve the "problem" with missing desktop integration on
> Linux dev builds?
>
> Regards,
>
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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Jim,

Am 29.04.20 um 20:43 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> OK, so I have available a handful of Lang builds for Linux 64bit and macOS 
> available at
>
>o http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/
>
> These are of HEAD of AOO42X and were built as developer releases... these are 
> not the "official" Dev2m2 releases however, although they are in a directory 
> that implies otherwise.
>
> Once people give these a quick A-OK, I can go ahead and do the *real* and 
> *official* Dev2/4.2.0-m2 builds

Let's wait for updated translations... I just posted a message on L10N@.

BTW: Did we ever solve the "problem" with missing desktop integration on
Linux dev builds?

Regards,

   Matthias

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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Jim Jagielski]

OK, so I have available a handful of Lang builds for Linux 64bit and macOS 
available at

   o http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/

These are of HEAD of AOO42X and were built as developer releases... these are 
not the "official" Dev2m2 releases however, although they are in a directory 
that implies otherwise.

Once people give these a quick A-OK, I can go ahead and do the *real* and 
*official* Dev2/4.2.0-m2 builds
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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Jim,

Am 28.04.20 um 21:24 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> macOS builds for a handful of langs available at:
>
> o http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/

That's great! Unfortunately I have no mac to test with...

I have now completed a full Dev-Build (46 languages) for Windows without
problems.
However, one bug [1] is still preventing the German version (most likely
also other) to be installed for the first time.

This one alone will give us a lot of questions when people want to try
out Dev2.

Regards,

   Matthias

[1] https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128094


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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Marcus]

Am 29.04.20 um 00:56 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 29.04.20 um 00:48 schrieb Marcus:

Am 28.04.20 um 23:37 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 28.04.20 um 23:33 schrieb Pedro Lino:

Any chance the Dev2 can include certification for Windows OS?

No, this costs real money and will only be used for releases.

I assume at least the RC will be certified?
Yes, it costs money but it needs to be verified at some point
before the first official release.

I doubt it. But you can discuss that with the ASF if you want.

Why should I discuss with ASF? Aren't the members of the AOO PMC
convinced that you should not make experiments with Release
versions? This will be the first AOO version certified. One of the
RCs should be certified to make sure the certification
process/script/steps is correct and that the certificate is
correctly identified at least under Windows 10.


If you want that you must discuss that with the ASF if they are willing
to pay the costs for "one of the RCs".


he is already discussing with ASF. ;-)

But with the wrong person...


hm, do you mean the treasurer? Otherwise I don't know who you mean.


The release will be signed. Thank you for your understanding!


And when it runs into errors, the first question would be: Haven't you
tested the signing? The answer would be embarrassing.

So, lets try it.


I already tested it, but thank you for volunteering!

I will write you a mail with details. (Until now, I was the only one
interested in the Windows Code Signing process)


I have no interest in Windows at all. ;-)
But OK. I can see what I can do on the weekend.

Marcus


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Re: macOS and AOO42X

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Hi Marcus,

Am 29.04.20 um 00:48 schrieb Marcus:
> Am 28.04.20 um 23:37 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> Am 28.04.20 um 23:33 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>>> Any chance the Dev2 can include certification for Windows OS?
>> No, this costs real money and will only be used for releases.
> I assume at least the RC will be certified?
> Yes, it costs money but it needs to be verified at some point
> before the first official release.
 I doubt it. But you can discuss that with the ASF if you want.
>>> Why should I discuss with ASF? Aren't the members of the AOO PMC
>>> convinced that you should not make experiments with Release
>>> versions? This will be the first AOO version certified. One of the
>>> RCs should be certified to make sure the certification
>>> process/script/steps is correct and that the certificate is
>>> correctly identified at least under Windows 10.
>>
>> If you want that you must discuss that with the ASF if they are willing
>> to pay the costs for "one of the RCs".
>
> he is already discussing with ASF. ;-)
But with the wrong person...
>
>> The release will be signed. Thank you for your understanding!
>
> And when it runs into errors, the first question would be: Haven't you
> tested the signing? The answer would be embarrassing.
>
> So, lets try it.

I already tested it, but thank you for volunteering!

I will write you a mail with details. (Until now, I was the only one
interested in the Windows Code Signing process)

Matthias

>
> Marcus
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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Marcus]

Am 28.04.20 um 23:37 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 28.04.20 um 23:33 schrieb Pedro Lino:

Any chance the Dev2 can include certification for Windows OS?

No, this costs real money and will only be used for releases.

I assume at least the RC will be certified?
Yes, it costs money but it needs to be verified at some point before the first 
official release.

I doubt it. But you can discuss that with the ASF if you want.

Why should I discuss with ASF? Aren't the members of the AOO PMC convinced that 
you should not make experiments with Release versions? This will be the first 
AOO version certified. One of the RCs should be certified to make sure the 
certification process/script/steps is correct and that the certificate is 
correctly identified at least under Windows 10.


If you want that you must discuss that with the ASF if they are willing
to pay the costs for "one of the RCs".


he is already discussing with ASF. ;-)


The release will be signed. Thank you for your understanding!


And when it runs into errors, the first question would be: Haven't you 
tested the signing? The answer would be embarrassing.


So, lets try it.

Marcus


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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Matthias Seidel]

Am 28.04.20 um 23:33 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Matthias, all
>
> Any chance the Dev2 can include certification for Windows OS?
 No, this costs real money and will only be used for releases.
>>> I assume at least the RC will be certified? 
>>> Yes, it costs money but it needs to be verified at some point before the 
>>> first official release.
>> I doubt it. But you can discuss that with the ASF if you want.
> Why should I discuss with ASF? Aren't the members of the AOO PMC convinced 
> that you should not make experiments with Release versions? This will be the 
> first AOO version certified. One of the RCs should be certified to make sure 
> the certification process/script/steps is correct and that the certificate is 
> correctly identified at least under Windows 10.

If you want that you must discuss that with the ASF if they are willing
to pay the costs for "one of the RCs".

The release will be signed. Thank you for your understanding!

Regards,

   Matthias

>
>> You should subscribe to L10N. I sent the information some time ago.
> Ok, I will do that. Thanks!
>
> Regards,
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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Pedro Lino]

Hi Matthias, all

> >>> Any chance the Dev2 can include certification for Windows OS?
> >> No, this costs real money and will only be used for releases.
> > I assume at least the RC will be certified? 
> > Yes, it costs money but it needs to be verified at some point before the 
> > first official release.
> I doubt it. But you can discuss that with the ASF if you want.

Why should I discuss with ASF? Aren't the members of the AOO PMC convinced that 
you should not make experiments with Release versions? This will be the first 
AOO version certified. One of the RCs should be certified to make sure the 
certification process/script/steps is correct and that the certificate is 
correctly identified at least under Windows 10.

> You should subscribe to L10N. I sent the information some time ago.

Ok, I will do that. Thanks!

Regards,
Pedro

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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Matthias Seidel]

Am 28.04.20 um 21:51 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>>> Any chance the Dev2 can include certification for Windows OS?
>> No, this costs real money and will only be used for releases.
> I assume at least the RC will be certified? 
> Yes, it costs money but it needs to be verified at some point before the 
> first official release.
I doubt it. But you can discuss that with the ASF if you want.
>
>> Any chance to bring the Portuguese translation to 100% ;-)
> I didn't realize it wasn't... Is there a way to set an email warning to the 
> maintainers when there are untranslated strings?

You should subscribe to L10N. I sent the information some time ago.

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> We will look into it!
>
> Regards,
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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Pedro Lino]

> > Any chance the Dev2 can include certification for Windows OS?
> 
> No, this costs real money and will only be used for releases.

I assume at least the RC will be certified? 
Yes, it costs money but it needs to be verified at some point before the first 
official release.

> Any chance to bring the Portuguese translation to 100% ;-)

I didn't realize it wasn't... Is there a way to set an email warning to the 
maintainers when there are untranslated strings?

We will look into it!

Regards,
Pedro

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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Jim Jagielski]

macOS builds for a handful of langs available at:

o http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/

> On Apr 28, 2020, at 10:09 AM, Jim Jagielski  wrote:
> 
> Just a FYI that I'm doing a quick test-build of HEAD AOO42X for macOS
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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Matthias Seidel]

Am 28.04.20 um 21:09 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>> What do you think about a Dev2?
> +1
>
> Any chance the Dev2 can include certification for Windows OS?

No, this costs real money and will only be used for releases.

Any chance to bring the Portuguese translation to 100% ;-)

Matthias

>
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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Pedro Lino]

> What do you think about a Dev2?

+1

Any chance the Dev2 can include certification for Windows OS?

Regards,
Pedro

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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Mechtilde,

Am 28.04.20 um 17:10 schrieb Mechtilde:
> Hello
>
> can you send the list of all Languages we will have in DEV2, then we can
> ccommit the recent translation

Including the 5 new languages that should be:

ast bg ca ca-XR ca-XV cs da de el en-GB en-US es et eu fi fr gd gl he hi
hu hy it ja kab km ko lt nb nl om pl pt pt-BR ru sk sl sr sv ta th tr uk
vi zh-CN zh-TW

Matthias

>
> Regards
>
> Mechtilde
>
> Am 28.04.20 um 16:47 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>> If the builds look good, ++1 for a Dev2 for all platforms
>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 10:23 AM, Matthias Seidel  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Great!
>>>
>>> What do you think about a Dev2?
>>>
>>> Although the release blocker aren't fixed yet, a lot of changes are in
>>> since Dev1 and I'd like to have 5 new languages added.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>Matthias
>>>
>>> Am 28.04.20 um 16:09 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Mechtilde]

Hello

can you send the list of all Languages we will have in DEV2, then we can
ccommit the recent translation

Regards

Mechtilde

Am 28.04.20 um 16:47 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> If the builds look good, ++1 for a Dev2 for all platforms
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 10:23 AM, Matthias Seidel  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Great!
>>
>> What do you think about a Dev2?
>>
>> Although the release blocker aren't fixed yet, a lot of changes are in
>> since Dev1 and I'd like to have 5 new languages added.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>Matthias
>>
>> Am 28.04.20 um 16:09 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Matthias Seidel]

D'Accord!

We would still need some time for the translators to complete their
language and to commit the SDFs to source...

Armenian (hy), Kabyle (kab), Oromo (om), Ukrainian (uk) and Estonian
(et) would be my proposal to add for Dev2 (and 4.2.0 Release).

Matthias

Am 28.04.20 um 16:47 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> If the builds look good, ++1 for a Dev2 for all platforms
>
>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 10:23 AM, Matthias Seidel  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Great!
>>
>> What do you think about a Dev2?
>>
>> Although the release blocker aren't fixed yet, a lot of changes are in
>> since Dev1 and I'd like to have 5 new languages added.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>Matthias
>>
>> Am 28.04.20 um 16:09 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
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Re: macOS and AOO42X

[Jim Jagielski]

If the builds look good, ++1 for a Dev2 for all platforms

> On Apr 28, 2020, at 10:23 AM, Matthias Seidel  
> wrote:
> 
> Great!
> 
> What do you think about a Dev2?
> 
> Although the release blocker aren't fixed yet, a lot of changes are in
> since Dev1 and I'd like to have 5 new languages added.
> 
> Regards,
> 
>Matthias
> 
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Re: macOS and AOO42X

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Great!

What do you think about a Dev2?

Although the release blocker aren't fixed yet, a lot of changes are in
since Dev1 and I'd like to have 5 new languages added.

Regards,

   Matthias

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