[OSM-dev] OSM IDs as foreign keys (was: ODbL virality questions)

2009-10-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, (for those on dev; this started out as a discussion on whether or not we want to put any legal/license restrictions on external users linking to OSM objects for identification, e.g. a restaurant guide saying this pub is OSM node #12345) Matt Amos wrote: i would hope so too, as it makes

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-legal-talk] OSM IDs as foreign keys (was: ODbL virality questions)

2009-10-06 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: There's no OSM information in wikitravel or wikitravel links in OSM. I'm glade to read this discussion. Recently, a long thread on the main list was talking about putting wikipedia URL's in OSM and even one bot started to

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-legal-talk] OSM IDs as foreign keys (was: ODbL virality questions)

2009-10-06 Thread John Smith
2009/10/6 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com: Any time I discuss this, I always refer to Wikitravel Press. Now that I've put the video online, everyone who wasn't at SOTM08 can also see what Jani had to say on this topic. See http://vimeo.com/6847540 , and (if you want to lose all context) skip

Re: [OSM-dev] potlach has wrong preset

2009-10-06 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:31:18 +0100, Andy Robinson \(blackadder-lists\) wrote: And my rule of thumb is if a tractor uses it it's a track, this is basically the same assumption as a 4x4 off road usage. Otherwise it's something else, normally a footway/path etc if narrower. So, two ruts it's a

Re: [OSM-dev] Scale markings on maps

2009-10-06 Thread John Smith
2009/10/6 John Robert Peterson jrp@gmail.com: Has there been a recent change with the removal of the scale makings from the bottom of the map display? Or is it my chaine that's causing it? On a very closly related matter, is there any way to adjust things so that a decent scale is

Re: [OSM-dev] Scale markings on maps

2009-10-06 Thread John McKerrell
On 6 Oct 2009, at 14:49, John Smith wrote: 2009/10/6 John Robert Peterson jrp@gmail.com: On a very closly related matter, is there any way to adjust things so that a decent scale is displayed -- so often I find that I want to know the distance between 2 points that are 3/4 of the

Re: [OSM-dev] Minute Diffs Broken

2009-10-06 Thread Florian Lohoff
Hi, On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 08:32:44AM +1000, Brett Henderson wrote: Hi Everybody, Unfortunately the minute diffs appear to be regularly missing data. In the last 8 hours at least 3 changesets have been missed. The ones I've noticed are 1076325, 1076998, 1077469. These have been

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-legal-talk] OSM IDs as foreign keys (was: ODbL virality questions)

2009-10-06 Thread John Smith
2009/10/7 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com: On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:21 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/6 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com: Any time I discuss this, I always refer to Wikitravel Press. Now that I've put the video online, everyone who wasn't at SOTM08

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-legal-talk] OSM IDs as foreign keys (was: ODbL virality questions)

2009-10-06 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:21 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/6 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com: Any time I discuss this, I always refer to Wikitravel Press. Now that I've put the video online, everyone who wasn't at SOTM08 can also see what Jani had to say on this

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-legal-talk] OSM IDs as foreign keys (was: ODbL virality questions)

2009-10-06 Thread andrzej zaborowski
Hiya, 2009/10/6 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com: On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: If we really want to head in a direction where external users refer to OSM objects, then I think it would be wise to manifest that in the database somehow, and create

Re: [OSM-dev] Scale markings on maps

2009-10-06 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/10/6 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: 2009/10/6 John Robert Peterson jrp@gmail.com: Has there been a recent change with the removal of the scale makings from the bottom of the map display? Or is it my chaine that's causing it? On a very closly related matter, is there any way to

Re: [OSM-dev] Scale markings on maps

2009-10-06 Thread Tom Hughes
On 06/10/09 15:52, andrzej zaborowski wrote: The scale bar should only be displayed at higher zoom levels, say z 6 because there the distance between the two lower corners of the screen and two upper corners is only minimally different, at some point the difference becomes smaller than the

Re: [OSM-dev] Scale markings on maps

2009-10-06 Thread Jonathan Bennett
andrzej zaborowski wrote: Also it's one of those things that should be really easy to fix Great! When do you think you'll have it done? -- Jonathan (Jonobennett) ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev

Re: [OSM-dev] Scale markings on maps

2009-10-06 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/10/6 Jonathan Bennett openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk: andrzej zaborowski wrote: Also it's one of those things that should be really easy to fix Great! When do you think you'll have it done? As soon as I'll want to know the distance between two things on the map... as I was mentining it's

Re: [OSM-dev] Minute Diffs Broken

2009-10-06 Thread Matt Amos
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Florian Lohoff f...@rfc822.org wrote: Hi, On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 08:32:44AM +1000, Brett Henderson wrote: Hi Everybody, Unfortunately the minute diffs appear to be regularly missing data.  In the last 8 hours at least 3 changesets have been missed.  The

Re: [OSM-dev] Minute Diffs Broken

2009-10-06 Thread Etienne Chové
Matt Amos a écrit : we hope so. there are (currently experimental) replication diffs here http://planet.openstreetmap.org/minute-replicate/ in a three-deep numeric directory structure. these diffs are produced from the transactions in the database, so each doesn't strictly cover a minute of

Re: [josm-dev] shocking - unsecure password sending!

2009-10-06 Thread Karl Guggisberg
I think that people would be disappointed if one explained them how OAuth would work from JOSM. My understanding is, that it would work along the following steps: 1. User starts JOSM and clicks on Sign In 2. JOSM displays an internal, modal window saying We now launch a Web Browser. Please

Re: [josm-dev] shocking - unsecure password sending!

2009-10-06 Thread Ľubomír Varga
I think that secure mechanism are today here and are a little bit standard (ssl, https). Why dont use them? If osm.org dont want to play with certificates, or to have some cpu power burned for ssl, I think that this problem isnt't josm problem. Imho osm.org should introduce some https page,

Re: [OSM-dev] Mapnik rendering of leisure=park + landuse=* relations

2009-10-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/6 Dan Homerick danhomer...@gmail.com: Ideally, leisure=park areas (which have an alpha transparency less than 1) would render on top of landuse=* areas (which mostly/all? seem to have an alpha of 1). there would be a different conflict though: forests in Parks. They would not show up

Re: [OSM-dev] Creating changeset on api06 broken?

2009-10-06 Thread Tom Hughes
On 06/10/09 19:38, Karl Guggisberg wrote: creating changesets on api06 seems to be broken: PUT http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/changeset/create... Internal Server Error Could somebody with server access have a look? Try it now. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu)

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-legal-talk] OSM IDs as foreign keys (was: ODbL virality questions)

2009-10-06 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/10/6 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: 2009/10/7 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com: On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:21 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I understand how this may work for buildings and other POIs and it seems like a really good solution to the problem.

Re: [OSM-dev] 3d Import into OpenArena working

2009-10-06 Thread Stefan Ziegler
Hello, From: jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com Look at osm3d.org (my sleeping project) or at these flight simulator pages using osm: http://gallery.flightgear.org.uk/c1483094.html http://www.marginal.org.uk/x-planescenery/tools.html A flight simulator might

Re: [OSM-dev] 3d Import into OpenArena working

2009-10-06 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
I am open to all ideas. the code is checked in. my next step would be to look into the rendering engines from osm. I would like to be able to walk around a town and be able to markup and interact with the map not fly. My theory is that people will remember map features from a 3d perspective, and

Re: [OSM-dev] Mapnik rendering of leisure=park + landuse=* relations

2009-10-06 Thread Dan Homerick
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/6 Dan Homerick danhomer...@gmail.com: Ideally, leisure=park areas (which have an alpha transparency less than 1) would render on top of landuse=* areas (which mostly/all? seem to have an alpha of 1).

Re: [OSM-dev] Mapnik rendering of leisure=park + landuse=* relations

2009-10-06 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 5 Oct 2009, at 15:38 , Dan Homerick wrote: It would be very nice to be able to use landuse tags within parks, especially large ones. Trying to do so is pretty 'buggy' though. I use buggy in quotes, because it seems like the rendering order is just undefined, or at least inconsistent

Re: [josm-dev] Critical bug since 2204

2009-10-06 Thread Dieter Muecke
Running unit tests should be compulsory with every code check-in. We should also consider to force having unit tests for all new added packages! Kind Regards, Dieter On 6 Oct 2009, at 00:15, Karl Guggisberg wrote: Hi everybody since 2204 there was a critical bug in Way. It broke the

Re: [josm-dev] Critical bug since 2204

2009-10-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Dieter Muecke wrote: Running unit tests should be compulsory with every code check-in. We should also consider to force having unit tests for all new added packages! -1 Bye Frederik ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org

Re: [josm-dev] my solution for the password-problem

2009-10-06 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 13:18:06 +0200, Tobias Wendorff wrote: Perhaps my understanding of security is mistaken, but this is the way, how *I* would do it: I hope some people reply in order to make this a reality and make all OSM users safer. -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt

Re: [josm-dev] shocking - unsecure password sending!

2009-10-06 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 13:49:00 +, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: On OSM.org you can give out tokens that allow the holder to *only* edit the map data. As opposed to also getting access to your private GPX tracks, making diary entries / comments etc. So transfering plaintext OAuth tokens

Re: [josm-dev] Windows installer link: Forbidden

2009-10-06 Thread Ulf Lamping
Dirk Stöcker schrieb: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Ulf Lamping wrote: Just tried to download the JOSM Windows Installer[1] as linked from [2], but only get a fobidden page. Should I write a ticket or will this be fixed soon? Please file a bug report. Building failed and until wednesday I have no

Re: [josm-dev] my solution for the password-problem

2009-10-06 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 13:18:06 +0200, Tobias Wendorff wrote: sorry, I can't find the original thread about the problem that JOSM transfers passwords unprotected to the server... Here you go: http://www.nabble.com/shocking---unsecure-password-sending!- td25593349.html -- pratite me na

Re: [josm-dev] shocking - unsecure password sending!

2009-10-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Karl Guggisberg wrote: I think that people would be disappointed if one explained them how OAuth would work from JOSM. My understanding is, that it would work along the following steps: Probably right although I'm sure a way can be found to save the user from having to cut+paste the

Re: [josm-dev] shocking - unsecure password sending!

2009-10-06 Thread MP
But as I said before, I don't currently consider OSM accounts to be a valuable asset. I have many of them and should one be compromised then I'll create another. Any account created anonymously from the web page They are not very valuable, but once someone start vandalising in your name,