Re: [OSM-dev] SotM ads for front page
Tom Hughes tom at compton.nu writes: Please stop trying to drag me into your ridiculous argument. You know as well as I do that you are just trying to make some sort of point with this request because the CWG vote on Monday didn't go the way you wanted. No CWG recordshave been posted since February. Is there a chance we could have some? -- Andrew ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] SotM ads for front page
On 15.05.13 23:34, Rob Nickerson wrote: For transparency I suggested that the SotM conference being promoted and for other events I suggested that we include a prominent events banner NACK to any promotion on the front page of osm.org. SOTM (international) ist the only thing that can be tolerated. Full stop. People refused to put the SOTM-EU logo there and I see the point (for anybody outside Europe). There are so many events over the year in different parts of the world (see the Wiki Main Page), it makes no sense to promote them on the front page. To everybody. It makes no sense that I (located in Vienna, Austria) am seeing an ad for an event in SF, CA. Or Toronto, Canada. Or Cape Town, South Africa. Or whatever. Nobody will pay me to get there. There could be an Events menu item on the front page of osm.org that links to some Current events page. This would make much sense. Even more since the Community menu item is dead (don't know what it should link to). /al ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] SotM ads for front page
Hello Andreas, SotM-EU, in Vienna, was a wonderful event. You and your team did a great job organizing it and I'm really pleased to have been there. Sorry that you didn't get an ad on the front page then. Obviously you would now, because the policy has changed. The local event in the US is given equal time on the front page with SotM, and I expect that the Toronto events will be added to the mix shortly. I can't offer to pay for your trip to Toronto, Andreas, nor did you pay for mine to Vienna :-) You'll be welcome to join the growing list of esteemed, international guests who have joined us in Toronto for our local events. We're having our third (or 4th ?) special guest event of the year, in Toronto, next week. With visiting OSM-dignitaries from Europe. I expect that TomH will deploy the additional ad shortly. After all, the policy was changed and the requested tech is all in place. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] SotM ads for front page
On 16 May 2013 13:05, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Sorry that you didn't get an ad on the front page then. Obviously you would now, because the policy has changed. SoTM-EU was 2011. If there was a policy change it was in 2012: Add a banner for SOTM US http://git.openstreetmap.org/rails.git/commitdiff/5f0c590c32565ffb807699df02c7ce8392513210 We also briefly ran a SOTM Scotland banner in 2012: http://git.openstreetmap.org/rails.git/commitdiff/749caaff73596e284c39ce7d0a840f8a0a50687d / Grant ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] SotM ads for front page
On 16/05/13 13:05, Richard Weait wrote: Sorry that you didn't get an ad on the front page then. Obviously you would now, because the policy has changed. If policy has changed then could somebody please document what the new policy is so that I am able to apply it when considering your request? We're having our third (or 4th ?) special guest event of the year, in Toronto, next week. With visiting OSM-dignitaries from Europe. I expect that TomH will deploy the additional ad shortly. After all, the policy was changed and the requested tech is all in place. Please stop trying to drag me into your ridiculous argument. You know as well as I do that you are just trying to make some sort of point with this request because the CWG vote on Monday didn't go the way you wanted. The truly silly thing is that the CWG vote didn't actually have anything to do with the ads getting deployed, because I had already done that a hour or two earlier, based on the fact that discussion had petered out, time was somewhat of the essence, and nobody had objected to my suggestion the day before that I merge the pull request to add the two ads in random rotation. To be honest I'm still not exactly sure what CWG voted on, but I as far as I understand it the vote was simply about what to do right now with the outstanding pull request, and not about setting a long term policy on how to handle these things. In any event there is clearly a difference between advertising an annual conference that expects to have hundreds of delegates and advertising regular small scale meetups - whether the event has a geographical scope in the title is clearly not the only thing that any policy would need to consider. But anyway, the summary is that I do not want, and do not intend to become, any sort of referee in this ridiculous pissing contest. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] SotM ads for front page
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 16/05/13 13:05, Richard Weait wrote: Sorry that you didn't get an ad on the front page then. Obviously you would now, because the policy has changed. If policy has changed then could somebody please document what the new policy is so that I am able to apply it when considering your request? That would be nice. Please stop trying to drag me into your ridiculous argument. You know as well as I do that you are just trying to make some sort of point with this request because the CWG vote on Monday didn't go the way you wanted. No, I'm trying to grow the local community for the benefit of the OpenStreetMap community at large. I support the CWG decision. The truly silly thing is that the CWG vote didn't actually have anything to do with the ads getting deployed, because I had already done that a hour or two earlier, based on the fact that discussion had petered out, time was somewhat of the essence, and nobody had objected to my suggestion the day before that I merge the pull request to add the two ads in random rotation. Ah, then there will be no problem with adding one more to the rotation. In any event there is clearly a difference between advertising an annual conference that expects to have hundreds of delegates and advertising regular small scale meetups - whether the event has a geographical scope in the title is clearly not the only thing that any policy would need to consider. So you'll only place ads for non-recurring events? Or that events should only have ads once they expect attendance n when it could be argued that they don't need an ad? :-) You think the aggregate influence of multiple events should be disregarded? That sounds strange in the context of somebody who adds pubs to the map one at a time over the course of years. But then, I'm an anti-importist. :-) And I'm certain that we'll have higher attendance numbers once our ad is up. But anyway, the summary is that I do not want, and do not intend to become, any sort of referee in this ridiculous pissing contest. Sorry, I'm not interested in such a contest. Please deploy the ad promptly. Time is of the essence. I'm sure other events will want and deserve prominent front page ad placement soon, as well. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] SotM ads for front page
Hi Sounds like this issue should be directed to the CWG to discuss, and define the guidelines and process more clearly. -Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron From: Richard Weait rich...@weait.com To: Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu Cc: dev dev@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] SotM ads for front page On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 16/05/13 13:05, Richard Weait wrote: Sorry that you didn't get an ad on the front page then. Obviously you would now, because the policy has changed. If policy has changed then could somebody please document what the new policy is so that I am able to apply it when considering your request? That would be nice. Please stop trying to drag me into your ridiculous argument. You know as well as I do that you are just trying to make some sort of point with this request because the CWG vote on Monday didn't go the way you wanted. No, I'm trying to grow the local community for the benefit of the OpenStreetMap community at large. I support the CWG decision. The truly silly thing is that the CWG vote didn't actually have anything to do with the ads getting deployed, because I had already done that a hour or two earlier, based on the fact that discussion had petered out, time was somewhat of the essence, and nobody had objected to my suggestion the day before that I merge the pull request to add the two ads in random rotation. Ah, then there will be no problem with adding one more to the rotation. In any event there is clearly a difference between advertising an annual conference that expects to have hundreds of delegates and advertising regular small scale meetups - whether the event has a geographical scope in the title is clearly not the only thing that any policy would need to consider. So you'll only place ads for non-recurring events? Or that events should only have ads once they expect attendance n when it could be argued that they don't need an ad? :-) You think the aggregate influence of multiple events should be disregarded? That sounds strange in the context of somebody who adds pubs to the map one at a time over the course of years. But then, I'm an anti-importist. :-) And I'm certain that we'll have higher attendance numbers once our ad is up. But anyway, the summary is that I do not want, and do not intend to become, any sort of referee in this ridiculous pissing contest. Sorry, I'm not interested in such a contest. Please deploy the ad promptly. Time is of the essence. I'm sure other events will want and deserve prominent front page ad placement soon, as well. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] SotM ads for front page
I'm not sure what the final decision was for what will be and won't be promoted on the front page (and no doubt you are testing the waters here). For transparency I suggested that the SotM conference being promoted and for other events I suggested that we include a prominent events banner and then link to a spruced up events page based on the following: http://calendar.openstreetmap.org.uk/map My reasons for this idea were to (1) limit the number of banners, and (2) promote OMS's global annual conference which is now in it's seventh iteration and provides funds to OSM (if there is any surplus sponsorship - something that I am concerned will be harder for the organisers to achieve if we are struggling to get the message out about the conference). Anyway, it's not an issue that is up to me, and probably needs the CWG to decide. Rob ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] SotM ads for front page
On Wednesday 15 May 2013, Rob Nickerson wrote: I'm not sure what the final decision was for what will be and won't be promoted on the front page (and no doubt you are testing the waters here). For transparency I suggested that the SotM conference being promoted and for other events I suggested that we include a prominent events banner and then link to a spruced up events page based on the following: http://calendar.openstreetmap.org.uk/map My reasons for this idea were to (1) limit the number of banners, and (2) promote OMS's global annual conference which is now in it's seventh iteration and provides funds to OSM (if there is any surplus sponsorship - something that I am concerned will be harder for the organisers to achieve if we are struggling to get the message out about the conference). Anyway, it's not an issue that is up to me, and probably needs the CWG to decide. I don't know if it's possible to (easily) geo-target these ads, but a simple split might be to serve the SotM-US ad to visitors in the Americas (or perhaps just North America?) and SotM to all others. Bt I'll leave this to those whose concern this is. robert. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
