Re: Proposal for Project Maturity Model Status

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:25 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
 wrote:
> ...I'll do that to update the list of mentors and apart from that that
> page already mostly has links which is fine IMO...

I've updated http://incubator.apache.org/projects/openwhisk.html using
links for the rosters and incubation reports, to avoid having
potentially stale information there.

Hope that works for others, and if not svn and Git are our friends.

FWIW, the incubator.a.o website maintenance instructions are at
https://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html

-Bertrand

Re: Proposal for Project Maturity Model Status

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

Hi,

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 9:37 PM, Matt Rutkowski  wrote:
...
> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/openwhisk.html
...

The purpose of that page is different, having it is an Incubator
requirement to reflect the podling's "formal" status.

OTOH the maturity model is an informal self-assessment that's often
useful in finding gaps before graduation.

As you mention, the incubator.a.o page is not as convenient to edit -
but it's fine to have links there to the details which are elsewhere,
so IMO it's good to have as much info as possible under
http://openwhisk.incubator.apache.org/ , and just add links from that
incubator.a.o page.

I'll do that to update the list of mentors and apart from that that
page already mostly has links which is fine IMO.

-Bertrand

Re: Proposal for Project Maturity Model Status

[Carlos Santana]

Mark
   this maturity requirements page I'm proposing will not replace the
Openwhisk status page [1]

As you can see int he FreeMaker vote they also include valid project status
page [2]

But maturity page in addition of status page will need to provide in the
graduation vote is my opinion.


-- Carlos
[1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/openwhisk.html
[2] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/freemarker.html




On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 4:33 PM William Markito Oliveira <mark...@apache.org>
wrote:

> +1
>
> I've created a similar page [1] while Geode was under incubation and it was
> often used as a reference when talking with mentors.
>
> Although I'm new to this community, I'd also vote for the Wiki instead of
> Git, just 'cause I feel like it's simpler for anyone to edit.
>
> The page Matt referenced is more of a general status and usually does not
> have this level of detail.
>
> Just my 2c.
>
>
> [1]
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/GEODE/Geode+Podling+Maturity+Assessment
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 2:45 PM, Matt Rutkowski <mrutk...@us.ibm.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Clearly our page needs an update... and will try to get to that this
> > week...
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From:   "Matt Rutkowski" <mrutk...@us.ibm.com>
> > To: dev@openwhisk.apache.org
> > Date:   02/21/2018 02:37 PM
> > Subject:Re: Proposal for Project Maturity Model Status
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey Carlo,
> >
> > We have such a page ourselves, but typically I get reminded to update it
> > concurrent with authoring quarterly reports for the IPMC.  Until
> recently,
> >
> > with our active work towards releases in repo. form, we have not had many
> > notable updates.
> >
> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__
> > incubator.apache.org_projects_openwhisk.html=DwIFAg=jf_
> > iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=6zQLM7Gc0Sv1iwayKOKa4_SFxRIxS478q2gZlAJj4Zw=
> > CCyhzAw8OteNsKBVRN4MZs9o_77nVntwBDIXJYvhUSc=
> > KUbcmB2tSsDa8IUAsTAbbEFDoMAcB96-K2sWEtm-LrU=
> >
> >
> > this is not a fun file to edit and build btw...
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From:   Carlos Santana <csantan...@gmail.com>
> > To: "dev@openwhisk.apache.org" <dev@openwhisk.apache.org>
> > Date:   02/21/2018 01:07 PM
> > Subject:Proposal for Project Maturity Model Status
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm on the general mailing list for Apache Incubator, I like to see how
> > other projects are progressing in their incubation towards graduation.
> >
> > This week I notice that the Apache FreeMaker project sent out the Vote
> for
> > resolution to graduate to TLP [2]
> >
> > One thing caught my eye is their Maturity Model Status Wiki Page [3], Is
> a
> > series of tables in each category with a status column, with each status
> > backed up by a reference link.
> >
> > I proposed that for Apache OpenWhisk we copy this status page, and we use
> > it to track our status for maturity and eventually include when we send
> > out
> > the vote for graduation when we get there.
> >
> >
> > This status page can live in the release repo [4] or the cwiki [5]
> >
> > I'm favor of creating a markdown file in the release repo /docs/
> > maturity_model_status.md
> >
> > But I'm OK if someone thinks the cwiki is better place.
> >
> > What do you think about this proposal?
> >
> >
> > --Carlos
> >
> > [1] gene...@incubator.apache.org
> > [2]
> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.
> > apache.org_thread.html_537e3717d86fb1001ee68c81be6bbc
> > 1a358970011278b2742ca21284-40-253Cgeneral.incubator.apache.
> > org-253E=DwIBaQ=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=6zQLM7Gc0Sv1iwayKOKa4_
> > SFxRIxS478q2gZlAJj4Zw=MPWP02wnw8BXppKEwFd4qvY7qp_U9KqxtSmOaj1D_fE=
> > YaEUnhQ7MYOo2lUEAWpJ99Rkt-OfAUqO73sTpdQW-nQ=
> >
> >
> > [3]
> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__s.
> >
> apache.org_ixlR=DwIBaQ=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=6zQLM7Gc0Sv1iwayKOKa4_
> >
> SFxRIxS478q2gZlAJj4Zw=MPWP02wnw8BXppKEwFd4qvY7qp_U9KqxtSmOaj1D_fE=pI-_
> > FcMjPTLnB2d6AsZKKGbp5oCHDgjFovhh9vqhTZY=
> >
> >
> > [4]
> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.
> >
> com_apache_incubator-2Dopenwhisk-2Drelease_tree_master_docs=DwIBaQ=jf_
> > iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=6zQLM7Gc0Sv1iwayKOKa4_SFxRIxS478q2gZlAJj4Zw=
> > MPWP02wnw8BXppKEwFd4qvY7qp_U9KqxtSmOaj1D_fE=
> > Opz8mM4eQ3iduLGyr8cAANd2Tr2Iq8uyvgGJ6PCdzSs=
> >
> >
> > [5]
> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.
> > apache.org_confluence_display_OPENWHISK_OpenWhisk-2BProject-
> > 2BWiki=DwIBaQ=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=6zQLM7Gc0Sv1iwayKOKa4_
> > SFxRIxS478q2gZlAJj4Zw=MPWP02wnw8BXppKEwFd4qvY7qp_U9KqxtSmOaj1D_fE=
> > jnOdCXGixFKq9bBBM9EqO57O5oVH0dYtv9sDbXebRDQ=
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: Proposal for Project Maturity Model Status

[William Markito Oliveira]

+1

I've created a similar page [1] while Geode was under incubation and it was
often used as a reference when talking with mentors.

Although I'm new to this community, I'd also vote for the Wiki instead of
Git, just 'cause I feel like it's simpler for anyone to edit.

The page Matt referenced is more of a general status and usually does not
have this level of detail.

Just my 2c.


[1]
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/GEODE/Geode+Podling+Maturity+Assessment

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 2:45 PM, Matt Rutkowski <mrutk...@us.ibm.com> wrote:

> Clearly our page needs an update... and will try to get to that this
> week...
>
> Kind regards,
> Matt
>
>
>
>
> From:   "Matt Rutkowski" <mrutk...@us.ibm.com>
> To: dev@openwhisk.apache.org
> Date:   02/21/2018 02:37 PM
> Subject:Re: Proposal for Project Maturity Model Status
>
>
>
> Hey Carlo,
>
> We have such a page ourselves, but typically I get reminded to update it
> concurrent with authoring quarterly reports for the IPMC.  Until recently,
>
> with our active work towards releases in repo. form, we have not had many
> notable updates.
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__
> incubator.apache.org_projects_openwhisk.html=DwIFAg=jf_
> iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=6zQLM7Gc0Sv1iwayKOKa4_SFxRIxS478q2gZlAJj4Zw=
> CCyhzAw8OteNsKBVRN4MZs9o_77nVntwBDIXJYvhUSc=
> KUbcmB2tSsDa8IUAsTAbbEFDoMAcB96-K2sWEtm-LrU=
>
>
> this is not a fun file to edit and build btw...
>
> Kind regards,
> Matt
>
>
>
>
> From:   Carlos Santana <csantan...@gmail.com>
> To: "dev@openwhisk.apache.org" <dev@openwhisk.apache.org>
> Date:   02/21/2018 01:07 PM
> Subject:Proposal for Project Maturity Model Status
>
>
>
> I'm on the general mailing list for Apache Incubator, I like to see how
> other projects are progressing in their incubation towards graduation.
>
> This week I notice that the Apache FreeMaker project sent out the Vote for
> resolution to graduate to TLP [2]
>
> One thing caught my eye is their Maturity Model Status Wiki Page [3], Is a
> series of tables in each category with a status column, with each status
> backed up by a reference link.
>
> I proposed that for Apache OpenWhisk we copy this status page, and we use
> it to track our status for maturity and eventually include when we send
> out
> the vote for graduation when we get there.
>
>
> This status page can live in the release repo [4] or the cwiki [5]
>
> I'm favor of creating a markdown file in the release repo /docs/
> maturity_model_status.md
>
> But I'm OK if someone thinks the cwiki is better place.
>
> What do you think about this proposal?
>
>
> --Carlos
>
> [1] gene...@incubator.apache.org
> [2]
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.
> apache.org_thread.html_537e3717d86fb1001ee68c81be6bbc
> 1a358970011278b2742ca21284-40-253Cgeneral.incubator.apache.
> org-253E=DwIBaQ=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=6zQLM7Gc0Sv1iwayKOKa4_
> SFxRIxS478q2gZlAJj4Zw=MPWP02wnw8BXppKEwFd4qvY7qp_U9KqxtSmOaj1D_fE=
> YaEUnhQ7MYOo2lUEAWpJ99Rkt-OfAUqO73sTpdQW-nQ=
>
>
> [3]
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__s.
> apache.org_ixlR=DwIBaQ=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=6zQLM7Gc0Sv1iwayKOKa4_
> SFxRIxS478q2gZlAJj4Zw=MPWP02wnw8BXppKEwFd4qvY7qp_U9KqxtSmOaj1D_fE=pI-_
> FcMjPTLnB2d6AsZKKGbp5oCHDgjFovhh9vqhTZY=
>
>
> [4]
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.
> com_apache_incubator-2Dopenwhisk-2Drelease_tree_master_docs=DwIBaQ=jf_
> iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=6zQLM7Gc0Sv1iwayKOKa4_SFxRIxS478q2gZlAJj4Zw=
> MPWP02wnw8BXppKEwFd4qvY7qp_U9KqxtSmOaj1D_fE=
> Opz8mM4eQ3iduLGyr8cAANd2Tr2Iq8uyvgGJ6PCdzSs=
>
>
> [5]
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.
> apache.org_confluence_display_OPENWHISK_OpenWhisk-2BProject-
> 2BWiki=DwIBaQ=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=6zQLM7Gc0Sv1iwayKOKa4_
> SFxRIxS478q2gZlAJj4Zw=MPWP02wnw8BXppKEwFd4qvY7qp_U9KqxtSmOaj1D_fE=
> jnOdCXGixFKq9bBBM9EqO57O5oVH0dYtv9sDbXebRDQ=
>
>
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Re: Proposal for Project Maturity Model Status

[Matt Rutkowski]

Clearly our page needs an update... and will try to get to that this 
week...

Kind regards,
Matt 




From:   "Matt Rutkowski" <mrutk...@us.ibm.com>
To: dev@openwhisk.apache.org
Date:   02/21/2018 02:37 PM
Subject:Re: Proposal for Project Maturity Model Status



Hey Carlo,

We have such a page ourselves, but typically I get reminded to update it 
concurrent with authoring quarterly reports for the IPMC.  Until recently, 

with our active work towards releases in repo. form, we have not had many 
notable updates.

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__incubator.apache.org_projects_openwhisk.html=DwIFAg=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=6zQLM7Gc0Sv1iwayKOKa4_SFxRIxS478q2gZlAJj4Zw=CCyhzAw8OteNsKBVRN4MZs9o_77nVntwBDIXJYvhUSc=KUbcmB2tSsDa8IUAsTAbbEFDoMAcB96-K2sWEtm-LrU=


this is not a fun file to edit and build btw...

Kind regards,
Matt 




From:   Carlos Santana <csantan...@gmail.com>
To: "dev@openwhisk.apache.org" <dev@openwhisk.apache.org>
Date:   02/21/2018 01:07 PM
Subject:Proposal for Project Maturity Model Status



I'm on the general mailing list for Apache Incubator, I like to see how
other projects are progressing in their incubation towards graduation.

This week I notice that the Apache FreeMaker project sent out the Vote for
resolution to graduate to TLP [2]

One thing caught my eye is their Maturity Model Status Wiki Page [3], Is a
series of tables in each category with a status column, with each status
backed up by a reference link.

I proposed that for Apache OpenWhisk we copy this status page, and we use
it to track our status for maturity and eventually include when we send 
out
the vote for graduation when we get there.


This status page can live in the release repo [4] or the cwiki [5]

I'm favor of creating a markdown file in the release repo /docs/
maturity_model_status.md

But I'm OK if someone thinks the cwiki is better place.

What do you think about this proposal?


--Carlos

[1] gene...@incubator.apache.org
[2]
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.apache.org_thread.html_537e3717d86fb1001ee68c81be6bbc1a358970011278b2742ca21284-40-253Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org-253E=DwIBaQ=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=6zQLM7Gc0Sv1iwayKOKa4_SFxRIxS478q2gZlAJj4Zw=MPWP02wnw8BXppKEwFd4qvY7qp_U9KqxtSmOaj1D_fE=YaEUnhQ7MYOo2lUEAWpJ99Rkt-OfAUqO73sTpdQW-nQ=


[3] 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__s.apache.org_ixlR=DwIBaQ=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=6zQLM7Gc0Sv1iwayKOKa4_SFxRIxS478q2gZlAJj4Zw=MPWP02wnw8BXppKEwFd4qvY7qp_U9KqxtSmOaj1D_fE=pI-_FcMjPTLnB2d6AsZKKGbp5oCHDgjFovhh9vqhTZY=


[4] 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_apache_incubator-2Dopenwhisk-2Drelease_tree_master_docs=DwIBaQ=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=6zQLM7Gc0Sv1iwayKOKa4_SFxRIxS478q2gZlAJj4Zw=MPWP02wnw8BXppKEwFd4qvY7qp_U9KqxtSmOaj1D_fE=Opz8mM4eQ3iduLGyr8cAANd2Tr2Iq8uyvgGJ6PCdzSs=


[5]
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.apache.org_confluence_display_OPENWHISK_OpenWhisk-2BProject-2BWiki=DwIBaQ=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=6zQLM7Gc0Sv1iwayKOKa4_SFxRIxS478q2gZlAJj4Zw=MPWP02wnw8BXppKEwFd4qvY7qp_U9KqxtSmOaj1D_fE=jnOdCXGixFKq9bBBM9EqO57O5oVH0dYtv9sDbXebRDQ=

Re: Proposal for Project Maturity Model Status

[Matt Rutkowski]

Hey Carlo,

We have such a page ourselves, but typically I get reminded to update it 
concurrent with authoring quarterly reports for the IPMC.  Until recently, 
with our active work towards releases in repo. form, we have not had many 
notable updates.

http://incubator.apache.org/projects/openwhisk.html

this is not a fun file to edit and build btw...

Kind regards,
Matt 




From:   Carlos Santana 
To: "dev@openwhisk.apache.org" 
Date:   02/21/2018 01:07 PM
Subject:Proposal for Project Maturity Model Status



I'm on the general mailing list for Apache Incubator, I like to see how
other projects are progressing in their incubation towards graduation.

This week I notice that the Apache FreeMaker project sent out the Vote for
resolution to graduate to TLP [2]

One thing caught my eye is their Maturity Model Status Wiki Page [3], Is a
series of tables in each category with a status column, with each status
backed up by a reference link.

I proposed that for Apache OpenWhisk we copy this status page, and we use
it to track our status for maturity and eventually include when we send 
out
the vote for graduation when we get there.


This status page can live in the release repo [4] or the cwiki [5]

I'm favor of creating a markdown file in the release repo /docs/
maturity_model_status.md

But I'm OK if someone thinks the cwiki is better place.

What do you think about this proposal?


--Carlos

[1] gene...@incubator.apache.org
[2]
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.apache.org_thread.html_537e3717d86fb1001ee68c81be6bbc1a358970011278b2742ca21284-40-253Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org-253E=DwIBaQ=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=6zQLM7Gc0Sv1iwayKOKa4_SFxRIxS478q2gZlAJj4Zw=MPWP02wnw8BXppKEwFd4qvY7qp_U9KqxtSmOaj1D_fE=YaEUnhQ7MYOo2lUEAWpJ99Rkt-OfAUqO73sTpdQW-nQ=

[3] 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__s.apache.org_ixlR=DwIBaQ=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=6zQLM7Gc0Sv1iwayKOKa4_SFxRIxS478q2gZlAJj4Zw=MPWP02wnw8BXppKEwFd4qvY7qp_U9KqxtSmOaj1D_fE=pI-_FcMjPTLnB2d6AsZKKGbp5oCHDgjFovhh9vqhTZY=

[4] 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_apache_incubator-2Dopenwhisk-2Drelease_tree_master_docs=DwIBaQ=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=6zQLM7Gc0Sv1iwayKOKa4_SFxRIxS478q2gZlAJj4Zw=MPWP02wnw8BXppKEwFd4qvY7qp_U9KqxtSmOaj1D_fE=Opz8mM4eQ3iduLGyr8cAANd2Tr2Iq8uyvgGJ6PCdzSs=

[5]
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.apache.org_confluence_display_OPENWHISK_OpenWhisk-2BProject-2BWiki=DwIBaQ=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=6zQLM7Gc0Sv1iwayKOKa4_SFxRIxS478q2gZlAJj4Zw=MPWP02wnw8BXppKEwFd4qvY7qp_U9KqxtSmOaj1D_fE=jnOdCXGixFKq9bBBM9EqO57O5oVH0dYtv9sDbXebRDQ=

Re: Proposal for Project Maturity Model Status

[Carlos Santana]

Im used to use git blame to see who edited a file :-)

- Carlos Santana
@csantanapr

> On Feb 21, 2018, at 2:54 PM, Rob Allen  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I like that status page. It's really clear and I think OpenWhisk would 
> benefit from something similar.
> 
> While, I'm biased in favour of markdown files, though as I don't expect I'll 
> be editing it, I suggest that the best place for it to be is where it's 
> easiest for the people who do actually update it.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rob...
> 
> 
>> On 21 Feb 2018, at 19:07, Carlos Santana  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm on the general mailing list for Apache Incubator, I like to see how
>> other projects are progressing in their incubation towards graduation.
>> 
>> This week I notice that the Apache FreeMaker project sent out the Vote for
>> resolution to graduate to TLP [2]
>> 
>> One thing caught my eye is their Maturity Model Status Wiki Page [3], Is a
>> series of tables in each category with a status column, with each status
>> backed up by a reference link.
>> 
>> I proposed that for Apache OpenWhisk we copy this status page, and we use
>> it to track our status for maturity and eventually include when we send out
>> the vote for graduation when we get there.
>> 
>> 
>> This status page can live in the release repo [4] or the cwiki [5]
>> 
>> I'm favor of creating a markdown file in the release repo /docs/
>> maturity_model_status.md
>> 
>> But I'm OK if someone thinks the cwiki is better place.
>> 
>> What do you think about this proposal?
>> 
>> 
>> --Carlos
>> 
>> [1] gene...@incubator.apache.org
>> [2]
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/537e3717d86fb1001ee68c81be6bbc1a358970011278b2742ca21284@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
>> [3] https://s.apache.org/ixlR
>> [4] https://github.com/apache/incubator-openwhisk-release/tree/master/docs
>> [5]
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENWHISK/OpenWhisk+Project+Wiki
> 

Re: Proposal for Project Maturity Model Status

[Rob Allen]

Hi,

I like that status page. It's really clear and I think OpenWhisk would benefit 
from something similar.

While, I'm biased in favour of markdown files, though as I don't expect I'll be 
editing it, I suggest that the best place for it to be is where it's easiest 
for the people who do actually update it.

Regards,

Rob...


> On 21 Feb 2018, at 19:07, Carlos Santana  wrote:
> 
> I'm on the general mailing list for Apache Incubator, I like to see how
> other projects are progressing in their incubation towards graduation.
> 
> This week I notice that the Apache FreeMaker project sent out the Vote for
> resolution to graduate to TLP [2]
> 
> One thing caught my eye is their Maturity Model Status Wiki Page [3], Is a
> series of tables in each category with a status column, with each status
> backed up by a reference link.
> 
> I proposed that for Apache OpenWhisk we copy this status page, and we use
> it to track our status for maturity and eventually include when we send out
> the vote for graduation when we get there.
> 
> 
> This status page can live in the release repo [4] or the cwiki [5]
> 
> I'm favor of creating a markdown file in the release repo /docs/
> maturity_model_status.md
> 
> But I'm OK if someone thinks the cwiki is better place.
> 
> What do you think about this proposal?
> 
> 
> --Carlos
> 
> [1] gene...@incubator.apache.org
> [2]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/537e3717d86fb1001ee68c81be6bbc1a358970011278b2742ca21284@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
> [3] https://s.apache.org/ixlR
> [4] https://github.com/apache/incubator-openwhisk-release/tree/master/docs
> [5]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENWHISK/OpenWhisk+Project+Wiki