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majority of Fedora users have this peculiar UX where `journalctl -k` not not
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On Wed, Feb 21, 2024, at 6:47 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2024, at 12:11 AM, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
>>
>>
>> Do you want to make Fedora 40 better? Please spend 1 minute of your time and
>> try to run:
>>
>> # Run this only if
l be enabled again
> # This is last time we should do that :)
>
> sudo dnf module reset '*'
>
Uhh haha :)
$ sudo dnf module reset '*'
Last metadata expiration check: 0:03:30 ago on Wed 21 Feb 2024 06:41:04 PM MST.
Unable to resolve argument *
Error: Problems in request:
missing groups o
eeds, up to the point that the user wants an interactive
desktop - and then the kernel needs to (in effect) preempt the resource hungry
processes in favor of user-desktop interactivity. Resource control can do this
but we don't have everything wired up yet, more work is need
, and what component to file a bug against?
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ime, whatever parent directory is used for the chroots could be
swapped out with a subvolume for a short term work around. It doesn't sound
like the problem happens very quickly.
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Maybe. But I'm not aware of any recent data one way or the other, certainly
nothing Fedora specific.
I don't expect full preemption will impact servers in any meaningful way. I
just can't prove that.
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> On Wed, Jul 19 2023 at 06:50:24 PM -0400, Chris Murphy
> wrote:
>> If restricted to desktops, then we can only do it with kernel
>> parameters. That probably means doing it in Anaconda kickstart, with
>> a
On Wed, May 24, 2023, at 2:12 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Sat, May 20, 2023, at 4:43 PM, Demi Marie Obenour wrote:
> Therefore, I am
>> asking if Fedora should use full kernel preemption by default.
>
> https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/228
>
> The outstanding
it. But it is the first option on that
page.
https://alt.fedoraproject.org/
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> Chris Murphy wrote:
>> OK I tried this again and discover shim is signed twice.
>>
>> Issuer: C=US, ST=Washington, L=Redmond, O=Microsoft Corporation,
>> CN=Microso
atures, whether or not it's a
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sha256sum hashes.
So maybe there isn't actually a problem other than it's confusing that there
are two signatures that also have different validity periods? I'm not sure what
it means.
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On Wed, May 24, 2023, at 2:55 PM, Peter Boy wrote:
>> Am 24.05.2023 um 20:30 schrieb Chris Murphy :
>>
>> I'm pretty sure we no longer have a program manager?
>
> What’s that about?
As I understand it, part of recent Red Hat layoffs. Red Hat and Fedora
program/projec
oss the
visible spectrum, green will appear to be the brightest.
Light purple is OK, Blue, indigo, or yellow tends to be harder to to detect
complex shapes (like letters and numbers) but I'm not sure of the reason(s).
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pretty sure we no longer have a program manager? So I'm kinda expecting a
lot of things to just silently break. I don't know what the fallback plan is.
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ing the default across the board and not
having a boot parameter.
Anyway, it seems like it would be semi-straightforward to do it in Anaconda
just for desktops using kickstart `bootloader --append=` command.
https://pykickstart.readthedocs.io/en/latest/kickstart-docs.html#bootloader
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>
>
> On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 5:34 PM Chris Murphy wrote:
>> __
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 10, 2023, at 2:24 PM, Owen Taylor wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 12:02 P
On Wed, May 10, 2023, at 7:11 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Chris Murphy said:
>> Read-only drivers, which are the only drivers under discussion here, aren't
>> a per se problem because they can't modify the file system. So they have no
>> complaints abou
ead-only drivers, which are the only drivers under discussion here, aren't a
per se problem because they can't modify the file system. So they have no
complaints about that.
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ntents, and perform switch root.
The next most common use case(s), device-mapper and md based, require a pile of
user space programs running to do all the work setting things up. Maybe we can
just get away with two images, a simple fast one and the universal.
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; other hand you claim there's too much kernel+initrd in the boot
> process?
>
> What is it now? Pick one: more initrd or less initrd?
I've only ever said I want faster boot and smaller initrd. Everything else is
pointing out the consequences of alternatives, not advocacy of the
w=windows-11
"The minimum size of this partition is 100 MB, and must be formatted using the
FAT32 file format."
So I'm not sure if Microsoft got the memo, and it's actually vendors' OEM
images that are using large ESP size?
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sight being 20/20 we could have changed grubx64.efi to look for
"grub.static" in the same directory as the EFI program instead of "grub.cfg"
and then there'd only be one grub.cfg and it'd be the real one rather than the
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> On Tue, May 09, 2023 at 01:31:01PM -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
>> Once upon a time, Chris Murphy said:
>> > What about the increasing growth in linux-firmware and in particular the
>> > NVIDIA firmwa
userspace, systemd and so on in EFI mode.
>
> Good luck with that.
Right. Hence Linux Boot. Dump all the toy drivers in favor of real ones. And a
real user space.
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as of a year ago and it likewise creates a 100M ESP. Maybe Microsoft didn't get
the memo and the space requirement is really something the OEM's are concerned
about? So I expect this problem is not only our problem to solve.
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On Tue, Apr 11, 2023, at 12:02 PM, stan via devel wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 10:48:11 -0400
> "Chris Murphy" wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> For a long time I've noticed lost history from multiple Terminal
>> tab/windows. It seems like the last tab or
ngth files, e.g. .bash_history-04863.tmp appear
but I don't know what they do, there's nothing in them.
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is belongs as a default, .bashrc or
.bash_profile or some parent file that's copied to create these files (for new
users);
b) if this is (still) an optimal way to go about it;
c) what are the possible negative side effects?
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> and check what effects it has and prove that the concern is unjustified.
The proposal changes a default behavior. It's not itself an override.
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use the write order is eventually
honored by the host. There's a variety of complex journal replay behaviors of
the various file systems that'll come into play (no pun intended).
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for it to be logged, sysroot needs to be rw.
>
> In some cases I know that the system is rebuilding the nvidia drivers so that
> graphics work on boot up. I'd like to let that finish and it certainly takes
> more than 15 seconds. But without a blame message, how do we know what needs
ed and I
don't run out either), I'm willing to give it up for practical matters like
simplicity and reduced attack and maintenance surface area.
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to put
their signed efifs drivers on the ESP because that's the only way their
bootloader can read loader/entries to properly draw a boot menu.
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On Wed, Dec 21, 2022, at 6:22 AM, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> On 20/12/2022 19:56, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> Great. The gotcha though is this in effect requires a change in the file
>> system currently mounted at /boot, which is ext4. And ext4 isn't supported
>> by sd-
that'd be bad (regardless of
the file system choice).
Also I wonder if there's a way for desktops to opt into this behavior? Or a
way for servers, iot, cloud, and rpm-ostree based systems to opt out? They very
well might have legitimate reasons for very long service shu
n kickstart file part commands.
Wow, great news!
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On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, at 1:56 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> For example:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2120845
>
> For that matter, grubby likewise steps on *all* BLS snippets found in
> /boot/loader/entries when using the --update=ALL flag, not just the BLS
> sn
On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, at 1:56 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> So I think the first big barrier to entry is answering the questions:
>
> * Enhance parted/libparted to support arbitrary GUIDs and enhance
> blivet to understand the full listing of GUIDs? Or
>
> * Enhance parted/li
i.e. get to sysroot mount
faster thereby obviating the need for a large initrd.
The problem with a large initrd anyway is that we have to load the whole thing
in memory and unpack it. And this will increase boot times. For whatever
reason, the bootloader
repomd. It quickly catches up to, and surpasses, Live media memory consumption.
Off hand, I'm not sure what's producing all the anonymous pages during Live
installation but it's a fairly linear increase as the installation progresses.
Since it's an rsync based installation, I'm currently frow
for Fedora 37.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Linux_Firmware_Minimization
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a very real energy hit of all
this compression and decompression. I don't know how to weigh the costs and
figure out a compromise, but totally ignoring one of the costs is probably
incorrect. For all I know a balanced approach means using xz but at a lower
compr
's tmpfs so it may not be compressed
either (at least it's not subject to swap on zram out of the gate). I'm pretty
sure partitioning happens before the packages are downloaded though, which
means they get stored on disk not in memory.
But the repo metadata is pretty big now and that's a big memory
ader in EFI/FedoraB
At any point of failure, only the EFI/FedoraA bootloader path is used. Once
everything in EFI/FedoraB is committed to stable media, set bootnext FedoraB.
If the boot fails, automatic failback to FedoraA. If the boot succeeds, bootupd
can change bootorder
://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2049849
The GUI tool can use efibootmgr to set bootnext or even bootorder.
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On Wed, Oct 5, 2022, at 11:43 AM, Geraldo Simião Kutz wrote:
> On my acer Aspire laptop it's the "esc" key. Works everytime I want to see
> the grub menu.
The gotcha with ESC is that it brings up firmware settings on qemu-kvm when
using UEFI (edk2-ovmf).
ecause
it's reserved by UEFI firmware for one of its menus. And SHIFT has never
worked. Maybe Esc or TAB?
Given this inconsistency, I have a mixed opinion of the hidden GRUB menu.
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On Tue, Sep 27, 2022, at 7:14 PM, Allan via devel wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 12:31:11 -0600
> "Chris Murphy" wrote:
>
> The original PinePhone only comes with a 16GB eMMC. Using 4GB for
> journal on that would for sure be insane.
The root file system for this d
On Tue, Sep 27, 2022, at 12:13 PM, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 10:12:57AM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Fedora uses systemd-journald for system logging. By default it is a
>> persistent log kept on /var, and uses up to 4G disk sp
red the container case at all, that containers running
systemd-journald would have their own journals and retention policy. I wonder
if the container default should have volatile journals? Or forward the journals
to the host by default? But yes I can see how many c
re
rotated weekly, it should mean a given journal file won't have more than a
week's worth of entries. So you'd have between 4-5 weeks worth of entries at
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> something it cannot do.
An additional topic is having boot entries for Windows (and macOS) that don't
work in the meantime. While we could just remove the scripts that create these
entries to chainload another bootloader, they're still needed for BIOS systems
which don't
station working group discussed it at today's meeting, and there were no
objections to the language change proposal.
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fibootmgr, and see if desktops want to add a GUI wrapper around it.
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Windows installer drops a payload on the drive, and sets a bootnext for an
entry that points to the Windows bootloader, not via GRUB.
And then, the instant we update either shim or grub, Windows boot will break.
I think working around this is sufficiently tedious no users are li
On Tue, Aug 30, 2022, at 9:43 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2022, at 8:27 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>> Another is that LUKS filesystem decryption uses a deliberately
>> "memory-hard" algorithm called Argon2 which requires loads of RAM and
>>
yptsetup if there's
significant memory pressure, i.e. high potential that a future Fedora might
fail to open this volume.
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On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, at 11:12 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, at 11:10 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> There *is* a workaround, BTW - I didn't mention this in my original
>> mail, and probably should have. At least according to discussion in the
>> bug, micr
Yes, but will you be able to install it? Yes you could go to koji, download the
correct RPMs, and have rpm do it without dnf but... that'd be a pretty saucy
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On Mon, Aug 1, 2022, at 6:51 AM, Kamil Paral wrote:
>
> I suppose Anaconda would have to be involved, detect encrypted partitions and
> provide a hint when the bootloader is created. It would be a static solution,
> far from ideal, but arguably better than the current state.
I think a GRUB
is EFI binary would need to be signed with an appropriate Fedora CA
for UEFI Secure Boot.
I don't know if making this a standlone EFI program really accelerates getting
it ready to deploy, compared to just making it a GRUB module.
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>> - Documentation: GRUB's Windows boot option may not work, how to use
>> efibootmgr --bootnext and --bootorder
>
> Currently there is this (insufficient, of course):
>
On Thu, Jul 28, 2022, at 2:47 PM, Gregory Bartholomew wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 1:34 PM Chris Murphy wrote:
>> Seems to me the only valid type code for a merged ESP+XBOOTLDR is ESP. What
>> am I missing?
>
> Right. I'd like to use the ESP type code for the m
erged ESP+XBOOTLDR partition without having to set that special variable.
Seems to me the only valid type code for a merged ESP+XBOOTLDR is ESP. What am
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On Thu, Jul 28, 2022, at 2:11 AM, Vojtech Trefny wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 5:53 PM Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2022, at 11:11 AM, Chris Adams wrote:
>> > Once upon a time, Neal Gompa said:
>> >> My understanding
On Wed, Jul 27, 2022, at 9:46 PM, Stephen Smoogen wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 17:37 Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2022, at 5:07 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>> > On Mi, 27.07.22 17:01, Chris Murphy (li...@color
On Wed, Jul 27, 2022, at 5:07 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Mi, 27.07.22 17:01, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote:
> 65;6800;1c
>> If the additional barrier to adoption that Fedora imposes is that
>> every distro needs to also include signed efifs ext4 in orde
On Wed, Jul 27, 2022, at 4:47 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Mi, 27.07.22 16:19, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote:
>
>> >> Boot Loader Spec defines $BOOT as either EFI System partition (ESP) or
>> >> Extended Boot Loader Partition (XBOO
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On Wed, Jul 27, 2022, at 4:27 PM, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> On 27/07/2022 22:19, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> * $BOOT is supposed to be readable by all distros that share $BOOT
>
> It will. efifs will be installed to ESP partition.
>
>> * efifs drivers must be sign
On Wed, Jul 27, 2022, at 2:36 PM, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> On 27/07/2022 18:53, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> Boot Loader Spec defines $BOOT as either EFI System partition (ESP) or
>> Extended Boot Loader Partition (XBOOTLDR), and in effect they need to be FAT
>>
On Wed, Jul 27, 2022, at 1:17 PM, Milan Broz wrote:
> On 27/07/2022 17:52, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2022, at 11:11 AM, Chris Adams wrote:
>>> Once upon a time, Neal Gompa said:
>>>> My understanding is that Windows preloads are now blank-en
On Wed, Jul 27, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 10:13:57AM -0400, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2022, at 4:42 AM, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
>> >
>> > Since you say systemd-boot can already do wha
of
treating them differently. I'm not sure what the consideration would be though.
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ith Windows
Given resources, I expect it would be more likely to replace GRUB with
systemd-boot, on UEFI, than support both. And the likelihood of anything but
GRUB I'd put at "very low". I'd like to be wrong but...
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> partition. There's no need to make it harder for Windows users who do not
> have their disks encrypted.
GRUB isn't that smart. Bitlocker could be enabled by the user at any time, if
it's not enabled by default.
My inclination is *if* upstream GRUB Is g
On Tue, Jul 26, 2022, at 7:18 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Chris Murphy said:
>> a. Fix GRUB by giving it the ability to modify UEFI NRAM "bootnext" value,
>> so that instead of chainloading the Windows bootloader from GRUB, GRUB will
&
On Tue, Jul 26, 2022, at 9:15 PM, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Chris Murphy wrote:
>> Summary: Windows 10/11 increasingly enables Bitlocker (full disk
>> encryption) out of the box with the encryption key sealed in the TPM.
> […]
>> The Bitlocker encryption key is u
On Tue, Jul 26, 2022, at 4:59 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 1:43 PM Kevin Kofler via devel
> wrote:
>>
>> Chris Murphy wrote:
>> > On Tue, Jul 26, 2022, at 4:06 PM, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
>> >> As I already mentioned the
On Tue, Jul 26, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Chris Murphy wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2022, at 4:06 PM, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
>>> As I already mentioned the last time this has come up: Why can we not,
>>> instead of chainloading Windows di
directly. (I do not see why it would notice any difference, all that
> would change is the name of the image that gets chainloaded.) And systemd-
> boot does not need to know that it is being chainloaded from GRUB. So I do
> not see why that would not work, without any changes to the sof
nstallation, install and configure a bootloader that
will boot Fedora.
d. Consider the problem sufficiently difficult to fix that we need an extension
to the exceptional case allowance, and wave the bug for another release.
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> weeks before GA date so it's
> hard for us to ship GA content in our `stable` stream on GA day and follow
> our current update model.
>
> We do have the `next` stream which does get updated often in the weeks before
> GA, but a significantly
> smal
s will automatically just work. I suspect that it won't
> work. Probably for those variants
> we'd just need to include the `linux-firmware-all` package (or whatever
> equivalent to get what we currently have).
Or could the plugin be used to create rpm-ostree layers with th
ora Engineering Steering Committee.
>
>
> == Summary ==
>
> This change is to promote Fedora CoreOS to Edition status alongside
> Workstation, Server and IoT.
Consider updating the proposal to include Cloud since it now has
Edition stat
y modules with a Fedora kernel, or using locked down kernel
features, but I'm not sure what the alternative is.
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Chris Murphy
On Sat, Jun 4, 2022, 12:04 PM Ahmed Almeleh
t completely different, it results in the *exact* problem
you're complaining about. You don't get to say the effect of GPT > 2T
is OK, but it's a negative when applied to < 2T as if your entire
strategy for working "standard" and "typical" use cases means < 2T
drives are
ly defining the
requirement (b) documentation changes (c) creating test cases (d)
resources to actually run the test cases every release cycle (e)
optionally+hopfully some portion of the testing can be automated but
all the previous items are prerequisites to that.
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Chris Mu
on legacy
> > x86 BIOS systems will get GPT partitioning by default instead of
> > legacy MBR partitioning. This makes x86 BIOS installs more similar to
> > x86 UEFI installs.
> >
> > == Owner ==
> > * Name: [[User:Ngompa| Neal Gompa]], [[User:Dcavalca| Davide
>
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