Review Request: icemon - A GUI monitor for Icecream

2021-05-29 Thread Jan Kratochvil
Hi, Review Request: icemon - A GUI monitor for Icecream https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1965529 Spec URL: http://people.redhat.com/jkratoch/icemon.spec SRPM URL: http://people.redhat.com/jkratoch/icemon-3.3-6.fc34.src.rpm It should be very simple IMO, it is an unretirement. Thanks,

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-10-07 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:58:58 +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 05:46:08PM +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:35:26 +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > > > A way out of this could be either to use comdat .debug_info etc. sections > >

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-10-07 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 07 Oct 2020 09:58:37 +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > On Wed, 07 Oct 2020 00:46:24 +0200, Jeff Law wrote: > > On 9/30/20 3:50 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > > When we start talking about RHEL (and CentOS) DWZ is completely pointless > > > then > &g

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-10-07 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 07 Oct 2020 00:46:24 +0200, Jeff Law wrote: > On 9/30/20 3:50 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 01:31:29 +0200, Jeff Law wrote: > >> But the GCC community > >> doesn't really test that option and it's known to be broken with LTO. > > I ha

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-10-05 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 05 Oct 2020 09:20:53 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > Fedora Server still defaults to LVM and XFS, as far as I know. I expect > that downstream will continue to use XFS as well. > > I don't think you can assume that debugging information will be stored > on btrfs file systems. OK. Then

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-10-05 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 05 Oct 2020 08:28:03 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > Why do you think that? Using debuginfo for perf and the like seems to > be much more common than actual debugging, based on what I see > downstream. OK, interesting, thanks for the info. Still that does not change anything with btrfs

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-10-04 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 22:29:44 +0200, Mark Wielaard wrote: > I was just discussing that recently with the Hotspot Perf GUI > maintainer. And we concluded that if .debug files would be compressed > then we would need an uncompressed cache somewhere. The issue with > having the on-disk debuginfo files

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-10-03 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 16:51:02 +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > To make DWZ better consumable it needs to have the partial units separately > parseable. That way they can be shared at IR level and not just at DWARF level > That means: > * DW_TAG_partial_unit should have DW

Re: Switching to DWARF5 default for GCC11 (and the default Fedora 34 toolchain)

2020-10-02 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 02 Oct 2020 18:11:45 +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 15:58:51 +0200, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 at 09:41, Jan Kratochvil > > wrote: > > > On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 14:50:39 +0200, Mark Wielaard wrote: > &g

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-10-02 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 23:42:56 +0200, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > On Mon, 2020-09-28 at 16:50 +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > For example during Fedora Package Review Process do some packages get > > rejected because they would make the distribution too large? Not worth o

Re: Switching to DWARF5 default for GCC11 (and the default Fedora 34 toolchain)

2020-10-02 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 15:58:51 +0200, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 at 09:41, Jan Kratochvil > wrote: > > On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 14:50:39 +0200, Mark Wielaard wrote: > > > = What I am NOT working on > > [...] > > > - Any other tool,

Re: Switching to DWARF5 default for GCC11 (and the default Fedora 34 toolchain)

2020-09-30 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 14:50:39 +0200, Mark Wielaard wrote: > = What I am NOT working on [...] > - Any other tool, project not mentioned above or other > native toolchains like golang, rust, clang/llvm or ocaml. > I expect those to simply keep producing DWARF4. So because of a DWZ deficiency you

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-30 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 22:31:28 +0200, Mark Wielaard wrote: > Note that you are using -ffunction-sections together with -flto. > With -flto you don't need -ffunction-sections. > > -ffunction sections might cause functions to be dropped by the linker > without updating the DWARF DIEs, causing things

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-30 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 22:35:14 +0200, Mark Wielaard wrote: > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 04:50:59PM +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > * DW_TAG_partial_unit should have DW_AT_language. > > * DW_TAG_partial_unit must contain only types (struct/class). > >Currently they contain fo

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-30 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 01:31:29 +0200, Jeff Law wrote: > -fdebug-types-section a supported option in the sense that it's in the > compiler and we'll fix bugs in it when we can.  But the GCC community > doesn't really test that option and it's known to be broken with LTO. I believe you base this

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-30 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 25 Sep 2020 16:29:26 +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > On Fri, 25 Sep 2020 12:10:22 +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > I would love to see a comparison of numbers for three things: > > - raw debuginfo without dwz or -fdebug-types-section > > Oops, I do not ha

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-30 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 01:31:29 +0200, Jeff Law wrote: > But the GCC community > doesn't really test that option and it's known to be broken with LTO. I haven't seen any GCC PR for -fdebug-types-section being broken with LTO. During one abigail diff I did not see any difference. I plan to run a

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info LLDB Index (System-Wide change)

2020-09-30 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 10:44:06 +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 10:33:59AM +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > Because doing it separately like GDB does is a wrong thing for > > edit-compile-debug cycle. When clang (lld for LTO) has all the data incl. IR > &

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info LLDB Index (System-Wide change)

2020-09-30 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 02:00:52 +0200, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > On Tue, 2020-09-29 at 16:29 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DebugInfoLldbIndex > > Currently the change will affect only packages using: > > %global toolchain clang > > Those are currently only

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info LLDB Index (System-Wide change)

2020-09-30 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 10:14:55 +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > it would be great if the > .debug_names some tool generates (whether it is GDB, some standalone > post-linking (and post dwz) tool, dwz itself, ...) is usable by both GDB and > LLDB, because the point in DWARF5 standardizing .debug_names

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info LLDB Index (System-Wide change)

2020-09-30 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 02:11:34 +0200, Neal Gompa wrote: > Why don't you add an lldb-add-index tool to generate LLVM indexes for > LLDB? Because doing it separately like GDB does is a wrong thing for edit-compile-debug cycle. When clang (lld for LTO) has all the data incl. IR already in memory it

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-28 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:58:58 +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 05:46:08PM +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > https://whova.com/embedded/session/llvm_202010/1193947/ > > If you do it on the compiler side, you'll get a lot of those pesky partial > units you s

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-28 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:35:26 +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > So, was this compiled by GCC or clang? Fedora Koji package: lldb-debuginfo-11.0.0-0.2.rc3.fc34.x86_64 GNU GIMPLE 10.2.1 20200916 (Red Hat 10.2.1-4) -m64 -mtune=generic -march=x86-64 -g -g -g -O2 -O2 -O2 -O2 -fno-openmp

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-28 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 12:31:59 +0200, Mark Wielaard wrote: > I do find your statistics per package useful because they show dwz is > in general effective by producing at least 20% (more) on-disk size > reduction, I am ignoring the on-disk size, I always measure just *-debuginfo.rpm size. If anyone

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-28 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 12:42:33 +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 12:31:59PM +0200, Mark Wielaard wrote: > > Finally I am interested in your proposal to implement a different way > > to reduce the size of DIE trees by eliminating "unused" DIEs. It is > > hard to predict what

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-28 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 12:31:59 +0200, Mark Wielaard wrote: > If you want to make -fdebug-types-sections the default you really > should work with the upstream GCC developers to figure out why they > don't want that. I haven't seen that, according to Richard Biener from GCC -fdebug-types-section is

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-28 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 14:08:48 +0200, Mark Wielaard wrote: > It is certainly a clever setup and makes sense if your build bottleneck > is sending files around between different machines. But I don't think > this is the generic Fedora packager or developer use case. I agree and I do not propose

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-25 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 25 Sep 2020 16:29:26 +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > On Fri, 25 Sep 2020 12:10:22 +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > - debuginfo with dwz (current approach) > > rpm size: 35186079102 > disk size: 177913332940 > > > - debuginfo with -fdebug-t

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-25 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 25 Sep 2020 17:40:50 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > The numbers are very difficult understand because it's not clear what > you are measuring. Especially since as far I understand it, parts are > not yet fully implemented, so we can't know yet if all the required data > is there. TL;DR

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-25 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 25 Sep 2020 17:09:54 +0200, Robbie Harwood wrote: > So saying "Google does it" (or similar) is *not* a good argument. So let's stick only to the numbers I sent in other mails. In fact I do not understand why we talk about anything except the numbers. Jan

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-25 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 25 Sep 2020 12:10:22 +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > I'm missing some good statistics. I have 1.6TB of statistics, ask me anything. It is calculated by my scripts: https://git.jankratochvil.net/?p=massrebuild.git;a=tree git clone

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-25 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 25 Sep 2020 13:43:40 +0200, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 7:26 AM Ryan wrote: > > > > > == Benefit to Fedora == > > > * Better compatibility with existing debugging and tracing tools, > > > primarily [https://lldb.llvm.org/ LLDB]. > > > > Thanks for your work on this Ben and

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-25 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 25 Sep 2020 13:56:47 +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > Jan had probably problems getting his DWZ support upstreamed into LLDB It isn't completely easy, I have already upstreamed a lot of preparatory work for the DWZ patchset which is good for LLDB in general. Just before upstreaming the

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-25 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 25 Sep 2020 07:08:27 +0200, Dominique Martinet wrote: > Jan Kratochvil wrote on Thu, Sep 24, 2020: > > Copy-pasted it at the bottom of this mail. I do not know the talk but TL;DR > > existing DWARF contains some dead DIEs - unused/deduplicated functions and > > a

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-25 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 25 Sep 2020 11:36:47 +0200, Mark Wielaard wrote: > On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 08:34:48PM +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > error: Allocatable section after non-allocatable ones > > https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=24251#c10 > > That isn't a

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-25 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 25 Sep 2020 01:35:43 +0200, Mark Wielaard wrote: > Replying since I am mentioned by name in this proposal and it seems to > argue for removing a feature I am currently working on to make sure it > works correctly with GCC11 if it switches to producing DWARF5 by > default. The problem is

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-25 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 25 Sep 2020 11:01:53 +0200, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 3:08 AM Florian Weimer wrote: > > This is not a -dbgsym package, so it probably has been created by a > > different procedure. I do not know how Ubuntu distributes their -dbgsym > > packages. An example from Debian

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-24 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 20:04:22 +0200, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > The original language of the proposal said no other distribution used DWZ, > and that the format was not adopted and should be removed. I have already updated the Wiki in the meantime based on new information from this list:

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-24 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 20:10:45 +0200, Neal Gompa wrote: > I do not feel that this is a valid premise either, since the reason > for no dwz support in LLDB is because nobody contributed it. > I'm slightly surprised that Red Hat's debuginfo engineers hadn't already > contributed support for it into

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-24 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 19:16:32 +0200, Neal Gompa wrote: > Then that certainly means that Ubuntu uses this too, since they reuse > the dbgsym subpackage generation for the ddeb system they have now. I am not much familiar with Debian/Ubuntu but I cannot find any use of DWZ there:

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-24 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 19:01:17 +0200, Neal Gompa wrote: > This is not true. Debian started producing -dbgsym packages and > putting them in a separate repository years ago: > https://wiki.debian.org/AutomaticDebugPackages > > dwz is used by virtually all RPM based distributions now, including >

Re: gdb says "Unexpected size of section `.reg-xstate/...` in core file

2020-07-13 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 18:32:10 +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > gdb-9.2-2.fc33.x86_64 which is the latest rawhide build... Does gdb need > updating? You may rather ask at gdb -at - sourceware.org. Jan ___ devel mailing list --

Re: gdb says "Unexpected size of section `.reg-xstate/...` in core file

2020-07-13 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 16:52:41 +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > warning: Unexpected size of section `.reg-xstate/59286' in core file. > #0 0x7f552f8b3b95 in raise () from /lib64/libc.so.6 > (gdb) > > Is this gcc, gdb, binutils, something else? gdb is older than kernel and you have

Re: out of Koji disk space

2020-07-11 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 20:05:07 +0200, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Perhaps a compromise could be to generate them for rawhide builds, but > not stable releases and if someone needs to debug things ask them to use > the rawhide one/debuginfo? That is not useful, system debuginfos are there to catch bugs

Re: out of Koji disk space

2020-07-09 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 07 Jul 2020 21:11:31 +0200, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > I am not sure what to tell you here. Perhaps you could describe the > reason you are working on the chromium debuginfo? Is it broken? Missing? > Less useful that normal? Missing. Completely. And it is not just about enabling it (=remove

Re: out of Koji disk space

2020-07-06 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 14:52:00 +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > On Thu, 02 Jul 2020 02:04:48 +0200, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 11:22:26PM +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > > I will file a ticket after Spot says his opinion (or not). > > > > Sure. >

Re: out of Koji disk space

2020-07-03 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 02 Jul 2020 02:04:48 +0200, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 11:22:26PM +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > I will file a ticket after Spot says his opinion (or not). > > Sure. https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/chromium/

Re: out of Koji disk space

2020-07-03 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 02 Jul 2020 02:04:48 +0200, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > I have fixed the buildhw-x86 boxes, they all now have ~365GB now. Yes, it has built fine: https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=46455864 > Sorry, I misunderstood you... I thought you were wanting to test a > scratch

Re: out of Koji disk space

2020-07-01 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 01 Jul 2020 17:46:23 +0200, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > * Is this only on x86_64 that you need this? Or all arches? Sure we should have this on all arches but I haven't tested non-x86_64 yet. There possibly may be also some memory problems even on x86_64 (it builds on my machine w/64GB but Koji

Re: out of Koji disk space

2020-07-01 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 01 Jul 2020 15:14:09 +0200, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > At the moment we have about 10% of the hardware > we shipped back in operation and there are at least 2 to 3 weeks to > get the rest up. Getting up larger builders is going to have to wait. Sure there is no hurry with larger

Re: out of Koji disk space

2020-07-01 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 01 Jul 2020 13:43:57 +0200, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > In the end we have limited resources and you are running into those > limits. We can either have fewer builders with more disk space and a > long queue of builds or we can have more builders with smaller disk > space. Good to know

out of Koji disk space

2020-07-01 Thread Jan Kratochvil
Hi, I have tried to enable debuginfo for Chromium but it cannot fit the disk. During local build it has 160GB (on x86_64) and Koji shows (moreover AFAIK shared for multiple builders): https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/7099/46377099/hw_info.log Filesystem Size

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-26 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 10:23:31 +0200, Iñaki Ucar wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 10:20, Leigh Scott wrote: > > Please don't make this universal for all the spins, it should be optional. > > TBH I don't give a damn if you do it to the workstation spin, please keep > > your grubby hands off the

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-26 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 09:57:49 +0200, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 6/26/20 12:42 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > This will be always a catch up play. To make it working each completion > > script > > would need to be part of the package it is implementing completion for. > >

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-26 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 09:40:32 +0200, Samuel Sieb wrote: > That's only if you start vi without a file. Otherwise, you just get the > text of the file on the screen and the bottom line with the filename and > cursor position. No info at all about what just happened. OK, I agree. So what about

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-26 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 09:36:05 +0200, Samuel Sieb wrote: > Is this something that happens to you often? It was happening often on an Athlon computer which I retired recently. So no longer. Or rather it still happens for me (X1 carbon 6th with docking station) but during switching to X when the

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-26 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 09:38:06 +0200, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 6/26/20 12:27 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > Some replies also do not like this change, I am not alone. Still it looks > > like > > there area really more votes for this change than against it. Fine with me. > >

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-26 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 03:31:10 +0200, Samuel Sieb wrote: > But regardless, that's something to fix in the dnf bash completion scripts, > not a reason to completely disable completion as the earlier poster said. TL;DR it regresses the original bash completion feature. This will be always a catch up

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-26 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 01:34:19 +0200, Samuel Sieb wrote: > I agree with your points, but pressing ESC only reverses the "rhgb" part, > the kernel output is still "quiet". If the kernel really locks up it is locked up and no keys work anymore. Without "rhgb quiet" one can make a photo of the screen.

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-26 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 02:25:24 +0200, Matthew Miller wrote: > But, if you don't like our offerings that are targetted that way, I suggest > you make a spin or remix that has all of defaults _you_ want. So FESCo has decided and there is no point of discussing this Change, that is how it will be and

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-26 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 03:48:56 +0200, Adam Williamson wrote: > 3. provides a handy reference of key combos you can use to get help, > save the file, and exit. Yes, you have to know that ^O means "ctrl+O", > but figuring that out is a lot easier than working out how to drive vi > from scratch. After

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-25 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 21:58:28 +0200, Jonathan Wakely wrote: > try 'ls $HOME/' without the direxpand > option set, and tell me what on earth that is for. It works as expected, what is the problem? Using ctrl-e instead of direxpand but keeping there $HOME/ may be what one wants. > the only thing I

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-25 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 21:21:37 +0200, Chris Adams wrote: > I'm not sure why you think end-users can't use a free OS. First steps of end-users is to install Chrome, Spotify and VirtualBox. So there is left no advantage of a Free OS. > I've run with SELinux enabled for years, rarely if ever causes

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-25 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 19:18:59 +0200, Ben Cotton wrote: > In contrast, Nano offers the kind of graphical text editing experience > that people are used to, This is another step trying to make Fedora end-user friendly while the only effect is making it hostile to developers. As Fedora will never be

Re: It seems that gdb cannot find debuginfo on f32

2020-06-14 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 07 Jun 2020 17:22:33 +0200, Barry Scott wrote: > python3-debuginfo.x86_64 3.8.3-1.fc32 > > @updates-debuginfo ... > Reading symbols from /usr/bin/python3.8... > Reading symbols from .gnu_debugdata for /usr/bin/python3.8... > (No debugging

Re: Packagers with no corresponding valid bugzilla accounts

2020-06-14 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sat, 13 Jun 2020 22:10:36 +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > jkratoch This account is set as "inactive" in FAS. Couldn't you regenerate this list with inactive accounts excluded? I would like to remove this old account but FAS admin interface cannot do that, I can only set it as "inactive".

Re: Supporting hibernation in Workstation ed., draft 1

2020-05-30 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sat, 30 May 2020 00:58:26 +0200, Chris Murphy wrote: > The Fedora Workstation working group recognizes hibernation can be > useful, but due to impediments it's currently not practical to support > it. TL;DR let's go the s2idle way as that is the only one which may work. But for me it resumes

Re: late generation of assemble code

2020-05-26 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 24 May 2020 05:21:05 +0200, Paul Dufresne via devel wrote: > The idea was to push code generation as near as possible of code execution. > Because at execution time, you know what are the specific features of the > CPU, and what is used to most often by the user of the program. In Free

Re: Getting security updates out to users sooner

2020-04-17 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 06:55:10 +0200, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > For kernel updates this is probably not a good idea. Given that updates > potentially introduce regressions, being able to distinguish updates with > known CVEs that we do need to roll out immediately, versus other updates we >

Re: The Chromium Dilemma

2020-04-14 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 18:43:07 +0200, Tom Callaway wrote: > The linker said: error adding symbols: Malformed archive. Searching leads > me to translate that error to "too many open files". See: > https://github.com/OSSystems/meta-browser/issues/194 > > Apparently, gold does not have this issue, but

Re: Why does gdb dlopen() librpm instead of linking to it?

2020-01-03 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 03 Jan 2020 22:45:52 +0100, Neal Gompa wrote: > Can someone please explain why gdb dlopen()'s librpm instead of just > doing proper compile-time linking? Because when it was written (2008) it was common to transfer /usr/bin/gdb binary across OS versions (maybe incl. RHEL) as GDB had only

Re: Gcc/annobin changes in F32

2019-12-30 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 00:58:24 +0100, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > warning: Could not find DWO CU > CMakeFiles/kodi-xrandr.dir/xbmc-xrandr.c.dwo(0xc444049b4814c563) referenced > by CU at offset 0x0 [in module > /builddir/build/BUILDROOT/kodi-18.5-1.fc32.x86_64/usr/lib64/kodi/kodi-xrandr] Unaware

fstrim and LUKS [Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Enable fstrim.timer by default]

2019-12-20 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 22:42:02 +0100, Ben Cotton wrote: > == Summary == > Enabling fstrim.timer will cause fstrim.service to execute weekly, > which in turn executes `/usr/sbin/fstrim --fstab --verbose --quiet` This is AFAIK not enough for LUKS drives, will it be supported for LUKS? Jan

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Disallow Empty Password By Default

2019-11-25 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 22:59:18 +0100, Samuel Sieb wrote: > I don't understand why this change is > necessary at all. It only affects local logins and if someone wants to have > an empty password, why make it so difficult? It's their choice. It's not > like Fedora has any default logins with empty

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Build Python 3 to statically link with libpython3.8.a for better performance

2019-11-07 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 22:36:44 +0100, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 15:59:41 +0100, Victor Stinner wrote: > > I cannot explain why inlining cannot be done more often in libpython. > > > > I cannot explain why PLT is needed when a libpython function calls a &

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Build Python 3 to statically link with libpython3.8.a for better performance

2019-11-07 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 15:59:41 +0100, Victor Stinner wrote: > I cannot explain why inlining cannot be done more often in libpython. > > I cannot explain why PLT is needed when a libpython function calls a > libpython function. Could you re-run the benchmark with shared library but with

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Build Python 3 to statically link with libpython3.8.a for better performance

2019-11-06 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 06 Nov 2019 11:49:18 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > we can achieve a > > performance gain of 5% to 27% depending on the workload. > > Where are these number coming from? And what is the reason for the > performance hit for dynamically linked Python? Yes, it looks suspicious. -fPIC was a

Re: inotify-tools with dead upstream cannot be fixed in Fedora

2019-09-05 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 05 Sep 2019 14:43:48 +0200, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > This isn't required, no. That being said, if this package is abandoned > upstream then it probably makes sense to contact the Debian maintainer > and establish a fork where our projects can at least share patches. If > upstream comes

Re: inotify-tools with dead upstream cannot be fixed in Fedora

2019-09-04 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 02 Sep 2019 23:33:32 +0200, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Sun, Sep 01, 2019 at 09:33:29PM +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > Fix stack overflow in: `inotifytools_replace_filename` > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1741472 > > > > Not sure h

inotify-tools with dead upstream cannot be fixed in Fedora

2019-09-01 Thread Jan Kratochvil
Hi, Fix stack overflow in: `inotifytools_replace_filename` https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1741472 Not sure how to fix this crashing bug. Upstream is dead while Fedora package maintainer requires to upstream the fix first. A Catch 22. Debian has the crasher fixed by an off-trunk

Re: Better interactivity in low-memory situations

2019-08-11 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 20:54:28 +0200, Chris Murphy wrote: > and likely experiences data loss and possibly even file system > corruption as a direct consequence of having to force power off on the > machine because for all practical purposes normal control has been > lost. Not really, this is what

Re: Better interactivity in low-memory situations

2019-08-11 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 17:50:17 +0200, Chris Murphy wrote: > I don't follow. You're saying RelWithDebInfo is never suitable for a > local build? Most of the time. What is your use case for it? > isn't relevant to getting a successful build. With powerful enough machine everything is possible.

Re: Better interactivity in low-memory situations

2019-08-10 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 09 Aug 2019 23:50:43 +0200, Chris Murphy wrote: > $ cmake -DPORT=GTK -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=RelWithDebInfo -GNinja RelWithDebInfo is -O2 -g build. That is not suitable for debugging, for debugging you should use -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug (that is -g). RelWithDebInfo is useful for final rpm

Re: Valgrind and Fedora debuginfo: best GUI

2018-12-06 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 06 Dec 2018 11:59:35 +0100, Germano Massullo wrote: > This seems to not happen with Valgrind I would first suggest using compiler option -fsanitize=address instead of valgrind. Jan Kratochvil ___ devel mailing list -- de

Re: Reliability test for hard drives and SSD

2018-08-08 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 02:11:08 +0200, Andrey Ponomarenko wrote: > 2) The -get-inventory-id option creates a new inventory id (or 'group') to > mark new probes by this id. You've created too many inventory ids per day > and received an error when trying to create more. Usually it's enough to > have

Re: Reliability test for hard drives and SSD

2018-08-07 Thread Jan Kratochvil
e # hw-probe -inventory-id 0xbf0a7f04b4 # hw-probe -get-inventory-id Group ID: 7b448de5 # hw-probe -get-inventory-id Error request # hw-probe -get-inventory-id Error request Jan Kratochvil __

Re: Why are we shipping debug builds of pythons?

2018-08-06 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 17:30:02 +0200, David Malcolm wrote: > On Mon, 2018-08-06 at 13:15 +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > That confirms the whole OS "Checked Build" variant would solve even this > > problem. > > Jan: In my view, it's not a problem, it's a feature

Re: Why are we shipping debug builds of pythons?

2018-08-06 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 10:57:31 +0200, Petr Viktorin wrote: > On 08/05/18 14:01, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > That is all together messy. This is why Microsoft has their debug build of > > their whole OS - Windows - called Checked Build: > > > > https://docs.microsoft

Re: Reliability test for hard drives and SSD

2018-08-05 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 05 Aug 2018 14:47:06 +0200, Andrey Ponomarenko wrote: > I've just created Fedora package for hw-probe. See > https://github.com/linuxhw/hw-probe/blob/master/INSTALL.md#install-on-fedora. Installing a package out of repository for its maintenance is not great. I tried to find a repository

Re: Why are we shipping debug builds of pythons?

2018-08-05 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 05 Aug 2018 13:39:58 +0200, Charalampos Stratakis wrote: > Here we are referring to the python2-debug or python3-debug builds, which > are just extra python builds that are compiled with the --with-pydebug flag Not just --with-pydebug:

Re: Guideline change: glibc malloc as the C/C++/Rust allocator

2018-07-27 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 21:14:14 +0200, Carlos O'Donell wrote: > Bug 1430223 - In some conditions, tcmalloc memalign will segfault > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1430223 It looks as a tcmalloc bug which could be fixed; it also has been probably fixed in the meantime as stated there.

Re: Guideline change: glibc malloc as the C/C++/Rust allocator

2018-07-27 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 17:43:06 +0200, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > # dnf repoquery --whatrequires 'libjemalloc.so.2()(64bit)' > 389-ds-base-devel-0:1.4.0.11-2.fc28.x86_64 > blender-1:2.79b-2.fc28.x86_64 > blender-1:2.79b-3.fc28.x86_64 > blenderplayer-1:2.79b-2.fc28.x86_64 >

Re: [HEADS UP] Removal of GCC from the buildroot

2018-07-11 Thread Jan Kratochvil
here are two orthogonal languages, C and C++. (And some people say C++11 and C++03 are also orthogonal.) Jan Kratochvil ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Co

Re: Packages which needlessly use %defattr

2018-07-04 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 04 Jul 2018 12:18:00 +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > What about just doing a mass specfile update now? I think asking > individual maintainers to fix their packages isn't worth their > time. It's a safe change, Is it? I haven't found whether this change is compatible with

Re: Call for users of darkserver

2018-03-02 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 01 Mar 2018 19:30:28 +0100, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 03:04:11PM +0100, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:02:25 +0100, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > > It seems to me interactive crash core file analysis is just not a goal of >

Re: Call for users of darkserver

2018-02-16 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:02:25 +0100, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > So what do you advice as course of action here, should we fix darkserver or > move > its functionality to ABRT? "move its functionality to ABRT" > The later is tempting to me if it's just a few lines of code added on an app > we

Re: Call for users of darkserver

2018-02-14 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 11:02:52 +0100, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > If there is little interest for this project, we will likely decommission it > in > the coming weeks (say end of March). The darkserver project ws initiated AFAIK by me as there is always a problem how to reproduce an ABRT

Re: Call for users of darkserver

2018-02-14 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 15:55:20 +0100, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > darkserver itself doesn't store anything. Darkserver was at least in the past using debuginfo storage from ABRT server which is much more rich than what Koji server keeps. Jan ___ devel

Re: Rawhide buildroot broken?

2018-02-04 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 04 Feb 2018 22:14:47 +0100, Doug Ledford wrote: > cc1: fatal error: inaccessible plugin file plugin/annobin.so expanded > from short plugin name annobin: No such file or directory ... > So, where is the gcc plugin annobin? In my fresh Rawhide buildroot

Re: gdb: No symbol table info available

2017-12-10 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:43:25 +0100, Richard Shaw wrote: > I pretty much did the same thing with valgrind but the output of your > script is much more concise and easier to read. Fedora GDB should print the dnf debuginfo-install command. When it does not? It uses a similar script logic

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