Re: Filesystem Hierarchy Standard in fedora

2025-08-07 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Aug 7, 2025 at 7:30 AM Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > Thanks for this. I agree this is a good solution, and that uapi group > is clearly the right place for the successor to FHS. > Hardly. The reason that the FHS evolution has been slow is because the FHS project just moved from the Linux

Re: Filesystem Hierarchy Standard in fedora

2025-08-06 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Aug 6, 2025 at 5:55 AM Pavol Sloboda wrote: > > > But it's already done? It's right there. > > Well as my email mentions it is done for FHS 2.3 (and not even that really > cause the version of the Standard is not mentioned anywhere). > And what I am trying to ask about is either switching

Re: F43 Change Proposal: Hardlink identical files in packages by default (self-contained)

2025-08-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Aug 5, 2025 at 12:46 AM Panu Matilainen wrote: > > On 7/29/25 2:13 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 6:30 PM Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > >> > >>> On Jul 24, 2025, at 7:02 PM, Aoife Moloney via devel-announce > >>

Re: Filesystem Hierarchy Standard in fedora

2025-08-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Aug 5, 2025 at 6:19 AM Michal Schorm wrote: > > The FSH standard 3.0 was introduced in 2015. > The changes in FSH 3.0 seem to me as a natural evolution, and > clarification of existing practices after the 2.3 version. > > I believe we should officially adopt the 3.0 version and update the

Re: Any package using systemd service for upgrade tasks?

2025-07-29 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 3:46 AM Zdenek Dohnal wrote: > > Hi, > > per > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FoomaticRipRejectsUnknownValues > I've got feedback about turning RPM scriptlet into systemd service to > have the change applied even on immutable systems, like bootable > containers, Fed

Re: F43 Change Proposal: Hardlink identical files in packages by default (self-contained)

2025-07-28 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 6:30 PM Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > > > On Jul 24, 2025, at 7:02 PM, Aoife Moloney via devel-announce > > wrote: > > > > Wiki - > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Hardlink_identical_files_in_packages_by_default > > Discussion thread - > > https://discussion.fedor

Re: F43 Change Proposal: Hardlink identical files in packages by default (self-contained)

2025-07-28 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 8:20 AM Chris Adams wrote: > > Once upon a time, Michal Schmidt said: > > On Sat, Jul 26, 2025 at 10:38 AM Pavel Raiskup wrote: > > > I'd rather we show extra care towards Fedora developers who are still > > > using Fedora, if there are any. If we make Fedora development

Re: Benchmark: Distros with frame pointers (Fedora, Ubuntu) are 5-10% slower

2025-07-25 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Jul 25, 2025 at 3:56 AM Jelle van der Waa wrote: > > On 25/07/2025 00:21, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > > Hi, > > > > look at those benchmark results: > > https://www.phoronix.com/review/framework-12-linux-os/7 > > > > As you can see, Fedora and Ubuntu, which both decided to enable frame

Re: Best Emacs for Fedora editions?

2025-07-21 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Jul 21, 2025 at 7:11 AM Peter Oliver wrote: > > Dear edition maintainers, what would be the most suitable Emacs for your > edition? > > We build four different GNU Emacs binaries in Fedora. From newest to oldest: > > • emacs-pgtk - “Pure” GTK. Wayland (and Broadway) native. Is reported

Re: RFC: Dropping non-crate support / templates from rust2rpm

2025-07-13 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sun, Jul 13, 2025 at 11:38 AM Fabio Valentini wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 12, 2025 at 10:56 AM Artur Frenszek-Iwicki > wrote: > > > > > So, I'm proposing to remove the support code (and templates, etc.) for > > > this mode of operation from rust2rpm with the next major version, and > > > to replace

Re: Windows Secure Boot certificate expiration (June 2026)

2025-07-08 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jul 8, 2025 at 8:45 PM Mateus Rodrigues Costa wrote: > > Hello all, > > As you guys know Secure Boot is supported by Fedora Linux and it > relies on the Microsoft signing keys. > Well, recently I was looking at this month's Windows 11 cumulative > update and noticed this warning: > > Impor

Re: Remove -mno-omit-leaf-frame-pointer from build flags

2025-07-07 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Jul 7, 2025 at 6:43 PM Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > > Neal Gompa writes: > > > [...] So my semi-naive interpretation of the problem here is that > > glibc is special in that it doesn't provide any support for real-time > > tracing or profiling. [...]

Re: GTK 4.20 runtime bloat (removed support for dynamically loaded media and print backends)

2025-06-29 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Jun 30, 2025 at 3:11 AM Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > > Hi, > > while packaging GTK 4.19.2 with the GLES2 patchset from my GitHub fork, I > ran into a file list error, which made me stumble upon this upstream GTK > commit: > https://github.com/GNOME/gtk/commit/e8694e0e7f71aa2e1a3ac4299ab

Re: F43 Change Proposal: Drop i686 support (system wide)

2025-06-25 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 4:20 PM Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > With Wine solved, it sounds like Steam is the only remaining concern. > Wine is not solved yet, though. > I think we could actually remove all 32-bit libraries *not* required by > Steam for Fedora *43*. That should probably be uncont

Re: Remove -mno-omit-leaf-frame-pointer from build flags

2025-06-24 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sun, Jun 22, 2025 at 11:43 AM Florian Weimer wrote: > > We currently use -mno-omit-leaf-frame-pointer on various architectures. > I think we should remove it because it does not work as expected. > > Obviously, this does not work for many glibc string functions because > they use hand-written a

Re: Unretirement: kmscon and libtsm

2025-06-17 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jun 17, 2025 at 10:50 AM Jocelyn Falempe wrote: > > Hi, > > I would like to unretire kmscon and libtsm > > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/kmscon > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/libtsm > > I currently maintain them on my copr: > https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/jfalempe/kmsc

Re: New package faad2 (AAC decoding)

2025-06-16 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jun 17, 2025 at 7:40 AM Gary Buhrmaster wrote: > > "Review Request: faad2 - Library and frontend for decoding MPEG2/4 AAC" > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2370973 > > Was this reviewed by Fedora Legal (I did not see > it in the email list archives, but I might have used >

Re: Packaging question - replacing directory with possible user file in with a symlink

2025-06-13 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Jun 14, 2025 at 1:21 AM Peter Hutterer wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 13, 2025 at 10:05:32AM +0200, Petr Pisar wrote: > > V Fri, Jun 13, 2025 at 03:27:49PM +1000, Peter Hutterer napsal(a): > > > Hi all, > > > > > > A tricky (for me) packaging question: > > > xkeyboard-config 2.45 upstream changed

Re: Help needed: declarative macros in build system

2025-05-31 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, May 31, 2025 at 8:39 AM Björn Persson wrote: > > Peter Lemenkov wrote: > > The issue is that these > > macros must be available during the BuildFromSRPM stage, and I have no > > idea how to make that happen. I looked at the pyproject macros and > > noticed they use *-macros-srpm package (y

Re: Help needed: declarative macros in build system

2025-05-31 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, May 31, 2025 at 7:38 AM Peter Lemenkov wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I have to admit — I almost gave up! I can’t figure out how to add > declarative macros to another build system, and it’s nowhere to be > found in the documentation. Let me share my sad story. > > I added the necessary macro

Re: State of 32-bit EFI support in Fedora - is this still supported/working ?

2025-05-30 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, May 30, 2025 at 5:50 AM wrote: > > So during a recent Anaconda installer bug triage we encountered the > following bug report: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2366967 > > "Installation media is not recognised by the 32-bit EFI of the 64-bit- > CPU LINX 1010." > > What it bo

Re: Orphaned packages looking for new maintainers

2025-05-29 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 4:56 PM wrote: > [...] > yarnpkg @epel-packagers-sig, ngompa, 2 weeks ago > orphan, smani Took this one since it's kind of critical, but co-maintainers welcome! -- 真実はいつも一つ!/ Always, there's only one truth!

Re: Remove openh264?

2025-05-29 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 10:59 AM Leigh Scott wrote: > > Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > On Wed, May 28 2025 at 04:51:33 PM -05:00:00, Chris Adams > > li...@cmadams.net wrote: > > > This package is for playing one particular encoding of videos (and > > > only > > > certain profiles of that encoding fr

Re: Remove openh264?

2025-05-29 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 7:28 AM Alexander Sosedkin wrote: > > On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 12:34 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 5:42 AM Alexander Sosedkin > > wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 12:19 AM Neal Gompa wrote: >

Re: Slowness of installing *-selinux subpackages

2025-05-29 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 6:16 AM Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > [This is a general moan / observation ... Sorry!] > > SELinux policy is sometimes now split so that packages can carry their > own policy subpackage. Examples include: > > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/passt/blob/rawhide/f/passt.s

Re: Remove openh264?

2025-05-29 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 5:42 AM Alexander Sosedkin wrote: > > On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 12:19 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > On Wed, May 28, 2025 at 5:52 PM Chris Adams wrote: > > > > > > Once upon a time, Michael Catanzaro said: > > > > On Wed, M

Re: Remove openh264?

2025-05-28 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, May 28, 2025 at 5:52 PM Chris Adams wrote: > > Once upon a time, Michael Catanzaro said: > > On Wed, May 28 2025 at 03:19:49 PM -05:00:00, Chris Adams > > wrote: > > >So it's been another month and this still isn't resolved. I know > > >people > > >on the Fedora side have been trying (d

Re: Reducing reliance on "legacy" user-group store(s) like /etc/{passwd,group}

2025-05-27 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, May 27, 2025 at 12:50 PM Pramod V U via devel wrote: > > I am extremely sorry if I am posting to the wrong mailing list, kindly point > that out to me if that's the case. > > I'll be referring to /etc/{passwd,group,shadow,gshadow} as "legacy file > bundle" or "legacy bundle" or "legacy f

Re: Noctua Presentation

2025-05-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 9:09 PM Antonio Voza wrote: > > Hello Fabio, JT, thank you for your messages. > > Currently I have a pentesting OS project that is based on Arch Linux and > NixOS called Athena OS (https://athenaos.org) that aims to be more focused on > Cyber Security learning part. I am

Re: Inactive packagers removed from the packager group

2025-05-07 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, May 7, 2025 at 3:45 AM Peter Robinson wrote: > > On Wed, 7 May 2025 at 02:23, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > On Tue, May 6, 2025 at 8:06 PM Kevin Fenzi via devel-announce > > wrote: > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > Pac

Re: Inactive packagers removed from the packager group

2025-05-06 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, May 6, 2025 at 8:06 PM Kevin Fenzi via devel-announce wrote: > [...] > > Packages that have been orphaned are: > [...] > rpms/bluez > rpms/dm-zoned-tools > rpms/dnf-plugin-cow > rpms/open-vm-tools > rpms/osc-source_validator > rpms/unifying-receiver-udev > rpms/zonefs-tools I've grabb

Re: grub2 NVR went backwards

2025-05-01 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, May 1, 2025 at 11:04 AM Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Thu, May 01, 2025 at 10:49:26AM -0400, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: > > Yesterday there was a build of grub2 (2.12-17) from the f40 branch which was > > also built for rawhide/f43 and ELN. This was an NVR regression, as the > > previous

Re: F43 Change Proposal: Wayland-only GNOME (self-contained)

2025-04-24 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 6:53 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 05:53:17PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 07:55:53PM +0100, Aoife Moloney via devel-announce > > wrote: > > > == Benefit to Fedora == > > > This aligns us with the effort going on

Re: F43 Change Proposal: Wayland-only GNOME (self-contained)

2025-04-24 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 6:36 PM Michel Lind wrote: > > On Thu, 2025-04-24 at 18:13 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 6:11 PM Michel Lind > > wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 2025-04-24 at 17:53 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > >

Re: F43 Change Proposal: Wayland-only GNOME (self-contained)

2025-04-24 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 6:11 PM Michel Lind wrote: > > On Thu, 2025-04-24 at 17:53 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 07:55:53PM +0100, Aoife Moloney via devel- > > announce wrote: > > > == Benefit to Fedora == > > > This aligns us with the effort going on upstre

Re: Fedora survey data

2025-04-24 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 4:45 PM Przemek Klosowski via devel wrote: > > Roy Bekken recently quoted Fedora version usage data from > > https://data-analysis.fedoraproject.org/csv-reports/images/summary.html > > but on inspection it looks that, while the analysis and plotting of the > results are upd

Re: Userspace VT consoles in copr

2025-04-24 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 12:02 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Thu, 2025-04-24 at 14:57 +0200, Jocelyn Falempe wrote: > > > > > > One thing that would need to be figured out is whether each of the > > > Wayland-based console implementations actually provides a mechanism to > > > switch between mul

Re: GDM dropped support for running X11 sessions in F42 without a Change?

2025-04-24 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 12:14 PM Marc Deop i Argemí wrote: > > On Thursday, 24 April 2025 15:12:42 Central European Summer Time Peter Boy Uni > wrote: > > Interesting. Could you perhaps elaborate on which of our standards > > (https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/#_our_stan

Re: Userspace VT consoles in copr

2025-04-23 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Apr 23, 2025 at 6:26 PM Jocelyn Falempe wrote: > > On 23/04/2025 19:34, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Wed, 2025-04-23 at 18:17 +0200, Jocelyn Falempe wrote: > >> On 23/04/2025 18:01, Adam Williamson wrote: > >>> On Wed, 2025-04-23 at 11:43 -0400, Neal G

Re: Userspace VT consoles in copr

2025-04-23 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Apr 23, 2025 at 12:02 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Wed, 2025-04-23 at 11:43 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2025 at 11:42 AM Adam Williamson > > wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 2025-04-22 at 11:51 +0200, Jocelyn Falempe wrote: > &g

Re: Userspace VT consoles in copr

2025-04-23 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Apr 23, 2025 at 11:42 AM Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Tue, 2025-04-22 at 11:51 +0200, Jocelyn Falempe wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I've packaged 3 userspace consoles, on my copr repository for Fedora. > > They can replace fbcon (The default kernel-based console), have more > > features (like sc

Re: rpm-ostree/bootc uid/gid drift problem

2025-04-23 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Apr 23, 2025 at 10:11 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2025 at 09:37:24AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2025 at 9:28 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 03:57:42PM +0200,

Re: rpm-ostree/bootc uid/gid drift problem

2025-04-23 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Apr 23, 2025 at 9:28 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 03:57:42PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > I don't follow? The UID assignments are stored in /etc/passwd, > > i.e. your example config file and the UID assignment are stored at the > > same place, s

Re: Userspace VT consoles in copr

2025-04-22 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 9:24 AM Pramod V U via devel wrote: > > Sorry for poking in, but why have kmscon, a complete re-implementation, run > over then DRM when a generic and well-tested combination of a wayland > compositor and a terminal emulator, like cage+foot, do the work just as well? To

Re: Userspace VT consoles in copr

2025-04-22 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 8:46 AM Jocelyn Falempe wrote: > > On 22/04/2025 13:25, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 5:52 AM Jocelyn Falempe wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> I've packaged 3 userspace consoles, on my copr repository

Re: Userspace VT consoles in copr

2025-04-22 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 5:52 AM Jocelyn Falempe wrote: > > Hi, > > I've packaged 3 userspace consoles, on my copr repository for Fedora. > They can replace fbcon (The default kernel-based console), have more > features (like scrolling) and are more secure as they run in userspace. > > * Kmscon:

Re: orphaning some packages

2025-04-18 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Apr 18, 2025 at 10:01 PM Sérgio Basto via devel wrote: > > Hi, > I need to reduce my workload > [...] > [...] > - libcomps > - atf > - libphonenumber > [...] > > - tofrodos > - smb4k > Thanks for maintaining them, I grabbed these as I need/use them in various contexts. -- 真実はいつも一つ!/ Al

Re: rpm-ostree/bootc uid/gid drift problem

2025-04-18 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Apr 18, 2025 at 2:24 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 06:52:43PM +0200, Alexander Sosedkin wrote: > > The problem stems entirely from UIDs and GUDs being numbers > > and not strings. I see this as a peculiarity of some of the filesystems, > > you target. Sa

Re: F43 Change Proposal: Modular GnuPG packaging (self-contained)

2025-04-18 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Apr 18, 2025 at 10:05 AM Fabio Valentini wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2025 at 3:50 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2025 at 9:37 AM Fabio Valentini > > wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 16, 2025 at 9:09 PM Björn Persson wrote: > >

Re: F43 Change Proposal: Modular GnuPG packaging (self-contained)

2025-04-18 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Apr 18, 2025 at 9:37 AM Fabio Valentini wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 16, 2025 at 9:09 PM Björn Persson wrote: > > > > > On upgrade to Fedora 43, some non-essential GnuPG utilities will no > > > longer be available by default, and instead moved to the optional > > > `gnupg2-g13`, `gnupg2-utils`,

Re: F42 Change Proposal: CMake drop non-standard variables (system-wide)

2025-04-17 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 4:28 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 16/04/2025 13:47, Aoife Moloney wrote: > > == Benefit to Fedora == > > * Avoid packaging issue due to the current assumption that the the > > paths used are meant to be absolute paths. > > * Encourage upstream build system mode

Re: F42 Change Proposal: CMake drop non-standard variables (system-wide)

2025-04-16 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Apr 16, 2025 at 7:50 AM Aoife Moloney via devel-announce wrote: > > Wiki - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CMake_drop_install_vars > Discussion thread - > https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f42-change-proposal-cmake-drop-non-standard-variables-system-wide/148864 > > This is a pr

Re: Fedora on Raspberry Pi

2025-04-16 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Apr 16, 2025 at 7:50 AM Milan Crha wrote: > > Hi, > just out of interest, I tried Fedora 42 Beta image on Raspberry Pi 4 > with 2GB RAM and it was, well, more than sluggish. Their OS based on > the Debian Bookworm was lightning fast, using the same SD card and all > the hardware fo

Re: Discussion about dropping qemu builds on i686

2025-04-15 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 12:21 PM Fabio Valentini wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2025, 18:14 Stephen Smoogen wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 at 12:10, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 11:43:38AM -0400, Cole Robinson wrote: >>> > >>> > Has anyone gone through the effort

Re: Switch gnome-software to use a dnf5 plugin in rawhide

2025-04-15 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 5:28 AM Hans de Goede wrote: > > Hi, > > On 14-Apr-25 5:49 PM, Milan Crha wrote: > > On Mon, 2025-04-14 at 16:30 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > >> Does it mean we will finally have common history for DNF5 and G-S? > > > > Hi, > > yes, it means both the history and the ca

Re: Switch gnome-software to use a dnf5 plugin in rawhide

2025-04-14 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Apr 14, 2025 at 11:57 AM Milan Crha wrote: > > On Mon, 2025-04-14 at 16:48 +0200, Neal Gompa wrote: > > Common history was always a thing. > > Hi, > are you sure? The `pkcon update` is not part of the `dnf4 history`, is > it? I cannot imagine how that c

Re: Switch gnome-software to use a dnf5 plugin in rawhide

2025-04-14 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Apr 14, 2025 at 12:14 PM wrote: > > Quick question: why not using dnf5 backend for PackageKit? > It doesn't exist yet. I haven't been able to write it because I haven't been able to figure out how to use the DNF5 API. I've asked for some introductory documentation on how to use the C++ AP

Re: Switch gnome-software to use a dnf5 plugin in rawhide

2025-04-14 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Apr 14, 2025 at 10:31 AM Vít Ondruch wrote: > > > Dne 14. 04. 25 v 10:02 Milan Crha napsal(a): > > Hi, > > I'd like to switch gnome-software in rawhide to use a dnf5 plugin > > > Does it mean we will finally have common history for DNF5 and G-S? That > would be sweet. > Common histo

Re: cleaning up our nomenclature

2025-04-11 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Apr 11, 2025 at 7:54 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > Hi folks, > > A few years ago we had the initalitive to get rid of problematic terms > like "master"/"slave". Git changed its default branch name to 'main', > we changed our default dist-git name to 'rawhide' (*). We also > adj

Re: Is there interest in Text to Speech?

2025-04-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Apr 2, 2025 at 12:16 PM JT wrote: > > I tested a bunch of TTS in the past, but within the past year there's been a > bunch of additional ones that have come out that I havent had time to tinker > with. > How do you think Piper compares with the others currently available? Parler > TTS,

Re: Non-responsive maintainer check for dledford

2025-04-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Mar 19, 2025 at 6:22 PM Dan Horák wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 17:48:49 -0400 > Peter Martuccelli wrote: > > > Hi Davide, > > > > Please work with Dan, Cc'd, on any issues for Doug. > > ack, I believe most of Doug's packages are Infiniband related and > should have a backup maintainer a

Re: Awesome (X11) WM on Fedora 42 Beta

2025-04-02 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Apr 2, 2025 at 3:55 PM W. Michael Petullo wrote: > > Is there any hope of running the awesome X11 window manager [1,2] on > Fedora 42? I am presently testing Fedora 42 Beta. I have been limping > along with awesome through Fedora 41, and it always worked until now. > > I submitted a bug re

Re: Is there interest in Text to Speech?

2025-04-02 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Apr 2, 2025 at 11:46 AM Andreas Schneider wrote: > > Hi, > > is there any interest in text to speech? > > On my desktop system I needed text to speech output to get calendar reminders > read to me that I don't miss any meetings or appointments. However most of > what is available sounds li

Re: Un-deprecate Aspell

2025-03-25 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Mar 25, 2025 at 10:07 AM Benson Muite wrote: > > Aspell was deprecated with the reason that it is no longer under active > development: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AspellDeprecation > > However, it is undergoing maintenance and improvements: > https://github.com/GNUAspell/asp

Re: F43 Change Proposal: Package builds are expected to be reproducible (system-wide)

2025-03-20 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 7:14 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 06:36:09AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 6:33 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 06:23:53AM -04

Re: F43 Change Proposal: Package builds are expected to be reproducible (system-wide)

2025-03-20 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 6:42 AM Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > Dne 20. 03. 25 v 11:23 dop. Neal Gompa napsal(a): > > It's also notreally hermetic either. Hermetic builds require true > > isolation and there is no Mock backend that provides that right now. > > All it doe

Re: F43 Change Proposal: Package builds are expected to be reproducible (system-wide)

2025-03-20 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 6:33 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 06:23:53AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 4:40 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 08:04:57AM +0100,

Re: F43 Change Proposal: Package builds are expected to be reproducible (system-wide)

2025-03-20 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 4:40 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 08:04:57AM +0100, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > Dne 19. 03. 25 v 7:48 odp. Aoife Moloney via devel-announce napsal(a): > > > == Scope == > > > * Proposal owners: > > > ** Package [https://github.com/keszybz/

Re: F43 Change Proposal RPM 6.0 (system-wide)

2025-03-13 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 6:19 AM Dan Čermák wrote: > > Alexander Sosedkin writes: > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 10:42 AM Dan Čermák > > wrote: > >> > >> Panu Matilainen writes: > >> > >> > On 3/13/25 10:56 AM, Dan Čermák wrote: > >> >> Aoife Moloney via devel-announce > >> >> writes: > >> >> >

Re: Problems aftes update to F42

2025-03-11 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Mar 6, 2025 at 4:54 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 06, 2025 at 12:02:52PM -, Filip Bartmann wrote: > > Hello, > > I update Fedora 41 to Fedora 42 prerelase and I have some problems, notably > > * in GDM are not listen non wayland sessions > > That might be becaus

Re: Konflux: What is the right time?

2025-03-11 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Mar 10, 2025 at 11:44 AM Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 8 2025 at 06:27:19 AM -08:00:00, Neal Gompa > wrote: > > If I'm answering that question for myself, I would say that the > > biggest feature gap that we have from a modern build system like the

Re: Problems aftes update to F42

2025-03-09 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Mar 6, 2025 at 7:40 AM Filip Bartmann wrote: > > Hello, > I mean, that in gdm aren't listed other X11 sessions such as IceWM and > others. So GDM don't support these sessions in future? So I must switch to > lightdm? > Yes. You can use LightDM if you need to use X11 sessions. -- 真実はい

Re: Installing Forgejo from the Fedora repository doesn't end with a working instance – at least for me

2025-03-09 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sun, Mar 9, 2025 at 7:35 PM Michel Lind wrote: > > > > On Sat, Mar 8, 2025, at 9:46 PM, Peter Boy Uni wrote: > >> Am 09.03.2025 um 00:44 schrieb Chris Adams : > >> > >> Once upon a time, Peter Boy Uni said: > >>> We have a Forgejo rpm in the Fedora f41 repository, version 10 for > >>> x86_64.

Re: Konflux: What is the right time?

2025-03-08 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Mar 8, 2025 at 10:24 AM Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 08, 2025 at 07:27:59AM -0800, Michel Lind wrote: > > - how easy is it to bootstrap the different options (Konflux, Koji, OBS > > etc)? > > - how easy is it to run each locally for those who want to dogfood the > > process

Re: Konflux: What is the right time?

2025-03-08 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Mar 7, 2025 at 12:57 PM Brendan Conoboy wrote: > > With all this in mind, the big question is: When and how is it the right time > to officially bring up Konflux in the Fedora community context? If it happens > too early, it won’t look credible or be useful. If it happens too late, there

Re: Problems aftes update to F42

2025-03-06 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Mar 6, 2025 at 7:02 AM Sérgio Basto via devel wrote: > > On Thu, 2025-03-06 at 06:15 -0800, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2025 at 4:54 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 06, 2025 at 12:02:52PM -, Filip Bart

Re: Possible to use 'fedpkg mockbuild' with a side tag?

2025-03-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Mar 5, 2025 at 1:08 PM Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > Hi, I am wondering if it is possible to use 'fedpkg mockbuild' to > easily build for a side tag. > > I know that it's possible by using 'koji mock-config' and then 'fedpkg > mockbuild --mock-config' but this is not easy since it requires

Re: Multiple kernels

2025-03-04 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Mar 4, 2025 at 8:16 AM Justin Forbes wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 22, 2025 at 7:54 PM Benson Muite > wrote: > > > > > > Fedora has a policy to support only one kernel. Projects such as > > OpenHarmony support multiple kernels to enable reuse of components on > > devices with a wide range of

Re: F43 change Proposal: Disabling support of building OpenSSL engines (system-wide)

2025-02-25 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 6:48 AM Dmitry Belyavskiy wrote: > > > > On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 12:04 PM Peter Boy Uni wrote: >> >> >> >> > Am 25.02.2025 um 09:09 schrieb Alexander Bokovoy : >> >> ... >> >> == Detailed Description == >> >> We are going to build OpenSSL without engine support. Engines ar

Re: F43 Change Proposal: Switch to JXL format for Default Wallpaper (self-contained)

2025-02-24 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 1:03 PM Aoife Moloney via devel-announce wrote: > > Wiki - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SwitchToJXLforDefaultWallpaper > Discussion thread - > https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f43-change-proposal-disabling-support-of-building-openssl-engines-system-wide/1459

Re: Multiple kernels

2025-02-24 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 6:04 AM Simon Farnsworth via devel wrote: > > On Sunday, 23 February 2025 18:14:21 Greenwich Mean Time Benson Muite wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 23, 2025, at 9:55 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote: > > > > > On 2/22/25 6:50 PM, Benson Muite wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> Fedora has a policy to s

Re: Proposal: Allow all packagers to push empty commits to any package

2025-02-23 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 5:22 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 20, 2025 at 09:06:15AM -0500, Ben Beasley wrote: > > I would also point out that incompatible updates are still supposed to be > > announced a week in advance, with all impacted packages’ maintainers CC’ed > > or BC

Re: Proposal: Allow all packagers to push empty commits to any package

2025-02-21 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Feb 21, 2025 at 6:42 AM Fabio Valentini wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 20, 2025 at 1:17 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > > > Hello. > > > > With the recent discussions about provenpackagers in Fedora, I recently got > > an > > idea. > > > > One of the common needs for provenpackagers is to simply "bum

Re: Proposal: Allow all packagers to push empty commits to any package

2025-02-20 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Feb 20, 2025 at 7:59 AM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 20. 02. 25 13:51, Michael J Gruber wrote: > >>> With the wide adoption of %autorelease, such bump commits are empty, > >>> which should be easy to verify. > > Wide, well, ... > > Roughly 39% based on a simple grep for %\{?autorelease > Wh

Re: Gating Fedora updates on Fedora CoreOS CI

2025-02-13 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 8:32 AM Clement Verna wrote: > > > > On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 at 13:04, Neal Gompa wrote: >> >> On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 5:46 AM Clement Verna >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 at 10:13

Re: Gating Fedora updates on Fedora CoreOS CI

2025-02-13 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 5:46 AM Clement Verna wrote: > > > > On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 at 10:13, Dan Horák wrote: >> >> On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 09:32:06 +0100 >> Clement Verna wrote: >> >> > cross posting from >> > https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/gating-fedora-updates-on-fedora-coreos-ci/144566 >>

Re: Python distro deps for builds using venv

2025-02-11 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 9:29 AM Peter Robinson wrote: > > Hi python folks, > > I have a package [1] (you can toggle the with_python var at the top) that now > builds the python bindings in an isolated venv+pip environment, and hence > fails, [2]. > > It seems, at least in the way upstream curren

Re: RFC: Additional checkpoint for major toolchain updates before mass rebuild

2025-02-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Feb 10, 2025 at 6:21 PM Fabio Valentini wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2025 at 11:48 PM Tom Rix wrote: > > > > I am glad the gcc change came in before the branch. > > But I would rather it have come into rawhide after the branch so the last > > weeks before the branch could have been spent o

Re: RFC: Additional checkpoint for major toolchain updates before mass rebuild

2025-02-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Feb 10, 2025 at 1:56 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 04, 2025 at 06:41:07PM +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > I started replying to everything, but then I realized it's probibly not > worth me doing so. :) > > ...snip... > > > To sum this up, I can see 3 benefits of mass rebuild: > > > >

Re: retiring basesystem package

2025-02-06 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Feb 6, 2025 at 7:18 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > Hi, > > I was looking at early system installation, and we have filesystem, > basesystem, and setup, all competing for the title of the early > filesystem setup… It seems that basesystem is the easiest to > eliminate: it has no

Re: Proposal for vendoring/bundling golang packages by default

2025-01-31 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 11:58 AM Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 12:04:33AM +0100, Neal Gompa wrote: > > Right, we need a way for the build system to count the number of times > > a commit was built and export that as an rpm macro that we can use to >

Re: Proposal for vendoring/bundling golang packages by default

2025-01-30 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 11:51 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 11:13:24PM +0100, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 11:05 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 07:18:23AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > > > >

Re: Proposal for vendoring/bundling golang packages by default

2025-01-30 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 11:05 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 07:18:23AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 08:21:26AM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > If Koschei could trigger non-scratch rebuilds, that would go a long > > >

Re: F42 Change Proposal: Switch to EROFS for Live Media (self-contained)

2025-01-25 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 4:40 AM Peter Robinson wrote: > > > > On Wed, 22 Jan 2025 at 10:20, Simon de Vlieger wrote: >> >> Hi Neal (and Dusty), >> >> On 1/15/25 11:53 PM, Aoife Moloney via devel-announce wrote: >> > EROFS is considerably more actively developed than SquashFS, and >> > offers more

Re: F42 Change Proposal: Switch to EROFS for Live Media (self-contained)

2025-01-22 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jan 22, 2025 at 7:18 AM wrote: > > On Wed, 2025-01-22 at 11:19 +0100, Simon de Vlieger wrote: > > Hi Neal (and Dusty), > > > > On 1/15/25 11:53 PM, Aoife Moloney via devel-announce wrote: > > > EROFS is considerably more actively developed than SquashFS, and > > > offers more modern file s

Re: Proposal for vendoring/bundling golang packages by default

2025-01-21 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 9:14 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 02:09:51PM +0100, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > Workflow with non-vendored dependencies: > > - update library or backport fix > > - submit rebuilds of dependent applications (with rpmautospec, those > > are

Re: Proposal for vendoring/bundling golang packages by default

2025-01-21 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 8:16 AM Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 21 2025 at 05:13:07 AM -05:00:00, Neal Gompa > wrote: > > We know it's possible because this is how openSUSE works today. They > > never schedule mass builds because they always happen automa

Re: Proposal for vendoring/bundling golang packages by default

2025-01-21 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 4:58 AM Florian Weimer wrote: > > * Gerd Hoffmann: > > >> We would also need to consider what our committement is to security > >> updates when apps are bundling stuff, as the same reasons that make > >> unbundling huard, also make fixing security issues hard. > > > > Note

Re: sdl2-compat problem?

2025-01-19 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sun, Jan 19, 2025 at 6:07 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 19, 2025 at 3:28 AM Julian Sikorski wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I tried building mame against sdl2-compat which has replaced SDL2 in > > rawhide. After some fixes I managed to get f

Re: sdl2-compat problem?

2025-01-19 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sun, Jan 19, 2025 at 3:28 AM Julian Sikorski wrote: > > Hello, > > I tried building mame against sdl2-compat which has replaced SDL2 in > rawhide. After some fixes I managed to get further but the build still > fails: > > Compiling src/osd/sdl/window.cpp... > g++-MMD -MP -MP -DPTR64=1 -DNDE

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