Re: Hosting End-Of-Life Fedora Base images?

2015-07-20 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 07/20/2015 02:13 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: On Monday, July 20, 2015 01:00:34 PM Josh Boyer wrote: On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Adam Miller wrote: There was an issue ticket filed against the Fedora Docker Base Images[0] github repo requesting that older End-Of-Life'd (EOL'd) Fedora rel

Re: dnf doesn't check for rpmdb lock?

2015-07-16 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 07/16/2015 01:19 PM, Eric Griffith wrote: I tried to do an install and an update on two different terminals on my machine yesterday. The second one didn't yell about an rpmdb lock but it did say that it was waiting on a process. So unless it broke from an update last night / this morning t

Re: Improving our processes for new contributors.

2015-07-15 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 07/15/2015 12:05 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 11:05:40 -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote: I do understand where you're coming from: the Fedora workflow is quite complicated What exactly do you find "quite complicated"? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_R

Re: Improving our processes for new contributors.

2015-07-15 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 07/11/2015 08:40 PM, Les Howell wrote: I have experience in coding and design of projects in more than 20 languages and 9 operating systems. But always as support for existing systems, and always as tightly coupled code (basically every thing I wrote ran in real time with multiple har

Re: Koschei - new Fedora infrastructure service

2015-06-25 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/25/2015 09:41 AM, Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: Koschei is a continuous integration service for Fedora packages. .. [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Koschei Cool project! Tiny heads-up: the link for the presentation returns 404: http://mizdebsk.fedorapeople.org/koschei/koschei-pp-20140711.pdf

Re: Pondering the Emacs add-on packaging situation

2015-06-24 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/24/2015 07:31 AM, Jonathan Underwood wrote: On 24 June 2015 at 08:01, Jan Synacek wrote: Managing Emacs packages by the distribution makes, IMHO, no sense at all. Users can easily manage the packages themselves via Emacs' package.el user interface. Well, that's the way I'm leaning too. B

Re: f22 screensaver/lockout issue requiring reboot :/

2015-06-10 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/10/2015 09:04 AM, Paul Wouters wrote: Am I the only one who is constantly locked out of their X session on fedora 22? Once the screen locks, it refuses my actual password to unlock. Even killing X with ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't help because it will just startup again in locked screen mode.

Re: fedup for F23 and beyond

2015-05-28 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 05/28/2015 03:58 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: I think we're already at the point where -- at least for Fedora Workstation (not sure about Server/Cloud), and except for infrastructure issues -- we can stop branding our releases with a version number, and simply have a particularly big offline u

Re: fedup for F23 and beyond

2015-05-28 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 05/28/2015 02:44 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 28.05.2015 um 20:39 schrieb Przemek Klosowski: Do you think the tech could stabilize enough to obviate the first reason? The 6-month workflow cadence remains a good idea, of course, but could result in a major offline upgrade, instead of an

Re: fedup for F23 and beyond

2015-05-28 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 05/28/2015 11:42 AM, Will Woods wrote: Here's how it should work: 1) Download packages for the new system 2) Use the systemd Offline Updates[2] facility to install packages This is really simple - simple enough that it should probably be provided by the system packaging tools themselves. A

Re: simplestreams json or index.asc for deliverables in the new list-of-deliverables?

2015-05-19 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 05/18/2015 07:44 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: That way, we'd have a standardized way for applications to find and download/launch/whatever various Fedora images. This is a definite need (see https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/93) and rather than inventing a new wheel, maybe we could see if we

Re: Fedora on Android

2015-05-14 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 05/13/2015 08:03 PM, Les Howell wrote: I created a new UI for GRBL using Python with tkinter. Not bad, but it won't work on an Android Notepad (GX10 from a company called EKEN), which was my target. Are you running the entire show from the notepad? I am asking because a popular architecture

Re: [Bug 1201978] dracut assumes BIOS time is UTC closed without fixing again

2015-04-29 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 04/29/2015 11:14 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 29.04.15 16:46, Lubomir Rintel (lkund...@v3.sk) wrote: On Wed, 2015-04-29 at 14:00 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 04/28/2015 03:52 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: And no, this *never* worked fully on Linux, and it never will, sorry. B

Re: hibernation support - lack of distro-wide coordination between systemd, dracut, anaconda, pm-utils and maybe more?

2015-04-15 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 04/15/2015 09:07 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: Maybe swap space should simply be max(4GB, $PhysicalMemory). Actually, isn't 'swap to filesystem' still an option? if so, maybe swap should be a constant 4GB, and hibernation should create an appropriately sized file on the fly, join it

Re: hibernation support - lack of distro-wide coordination between systemd, dracut, anaconda, pm-utils and maybe more?

2015-04-15 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 04/15/2015 11:02 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: I think that conflating "memory-to-disk swap space" with "I can hibernate my machine" is unacceptable. We need a new partition type that Anaconda would setup, or a whitelist of laptops with firmwares that support rapid start (and again, Anaconda to

Re: hibernation support - lack of distro-wide coordination between systemd, dracut, anaconda, pm-utils and maybe more?

2015-04-14 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 04/13/2015 11:34 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: OK, so swap 2x memory seems excessive. Actually swap with the same as memory should work *most* of the time. There's no guarantee that any amount swap will be enough, since it could all be filled by the time hibernation is requested, but

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-09 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 04/09/2015 11:05 AM, Michal Luscon wrote: On 04/09/2015 05:01 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: Using metadata from Fri Apr 3 03:24:08 2015 ^^^ the key part of DNF output Well, OK, but when I just re-run 'dnf update' it updates firefox now: Using metadata from Fri Apr 3 03:

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-09 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 04/08/2015 02:32 AM, Jan Zelený wrote I'm afraid not. From the very beginning, we were sending a clear message that we will be as compatible as possible in terms of CLI but we never wanted to have just another yum. If that was the case, we wouldn't call the project differently. I am concerned

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 04/08/2015 08:39 AM, Jan Zelený wrote: On 8. 4. 2015 at 10:26:51, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 08.04.2015 um 08:41 schrieb Jan Zelený: Putting the opinion of myself and the dnf team aside, I'd like to point out that the information you want is still available - dnf check-update will show you all

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Legacy implementations of the Java platform in Fedora

2015-02-26 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 02/26/2015 09:46 AM, Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: If you really think that old JDK should be removed during update and insist on that I believe that at least on Windows apps, including browser apps, can request a specific version of Java runtime. Malware asks for versions that are vulnerable to w

Re: GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

2015-01-27 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/27/2015 07:03 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: All those are warnings, not "garbage" or debug output. File bugs about those, there should be zero warnings in normal usage. Shouldn't they trigger abrt then? more importantly, is it possible to capture that in the QA process during distribution com

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

2015-01-12 Thread Przemek Klosowski
First of all, I agree with you that PermitRootLogin without-password is preferable. The discussion I am interested in is whether direct password root login should remain enabled. On 01/12/2015 10:02 AM, Paul Wouters wrote: On Mon, 12 Jan 2015, Przemek Klosowski wrote: - improves

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

2015-01-12 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/12/2015 08:05 AM, P J P wrote: Again, issue being addressed is not of brute force attacks. But that of such attacks resulting in gaining 'root' access to remote machines. They are two distinct issues. There still needs to be an administrative access to the system, and the most common im

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

2015-01-09 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/08/2015 06:09 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: in my "serious" environments which are all virtualized it is simple: * a central VMware vCenter Server for the HA cluster * that thing is sadly a windows machine, don't matter because it's only purpose is to run a RDP session and all day long

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

2015-01-08 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/08/2015 08:42 AM, Paul Wouters wrote: On Thu, 8 Jan 2015, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: == Detailed Description == Sshd(8) daemon allows remote users to login as 'root' by default. This provides remote attackers an option to brute force their way into a system. If you want to fight that, you ne

Re: CLI tools in Gnome Software?

2015-01-02 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/02/2015 08:48 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: Okay, lets do a thought experiment. Is a console application anything that exists in /usr/bin? If not, what additional rules are required for a "sane" set? Are all files in /usr/bin "applications"? Actually, yes, I believe that every one of them se

fedup FC20 -> FC21 update conflicts

2014-12-10 Thread Przemek Klosowski
I have a fairly standard FC20 setup which I started upgrading by fedup --network 21 --product=workstation There were 109 packages for which there was no upgrade; 62 are *-debuginfo, 12 are from various oddball repos (adobe, simulavr, etc), but 36 are I believe regular Fedora Core 20 packa

Re: Poll: How users use DNF

2014-12-09 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 12/09/2014 12:28 PM, Radek Holy wrote: Please share with me the use cases, not the description of the "install" command. Think twice before you share something because I believe it's not as easy as it might seem. As an example I think it might be something like: - "I call YUM install, becau

Re: "Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-09 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 12/08/2014 06:41 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: the security community is usually very clear: * forbid as much as you can by default * allow only what *really* is needed to get the work done ...and this is the tricky part---you want tightly defined functionality, and other people want to install a

Re: civil discussion on fedora lists

2014-10-20 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 10/18/2014 07:14 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 18.10.2014 um 09:10 schrieb Miroslav Suchy: On 10/17/2014 08:31 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: You can say something like "I'm not sure I understand the point you are making. Particularly, I don't see how __ follows. Can you explain that in

Re: bugzilla usage trends

2014-10-14 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 10/11/2014 09:44 PM, John Reiser wrote: bug velocity (increase in the bug number divided by the time >> interval) over time > That quotient is a scalar. Please use "bug rate" instead of "bug > velocity".Easy mnemonic: Velocity is a Vector, Speed is a Scalar. > "Velocity" has multiple syllab

Re: bugzilla usage trends

2014-10-10 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 10/10/2014 06:12 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 05:39:34PM -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote: I was curious about the rate of bug reporting in Fedora, and did this quick experiment. I thought it might be interesting to folks here who either work on the infrastructure or

bugzilla usage trends

2014-10-09 Thread Przemek Klosowski
I was curious about the rate of bug reporting in Fedora, and did this quick experiment. I thought it might be interesting to folks here who either work on the infrastructure or are curious about long-term collaboration trends in Fedora. I checked the date of reporting of every 10,000th bug (bu

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-23 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 09/22/2014 12:53 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: For the journal you always keep all log history in it's original state On low-bandwidth systems, like laptops or diskless nodes, it's a performance hit to generate the log entry in the first place. It's really important to be able to configure the syste

Re: Improving the offline updates user experience

2014-09-16 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 09/16/2014 06:33 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: I've triaged many bugs to do with online and offline update failures, and if we're going to say that we actually care about the users data, it becomes increasingly hard to defend the "old" way of doing it. I'm sure I could find numerous bugs numbers

Re: Attempting to contact two unresponsive maintainers - dajt and jpacner

2014-09-04 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 09/04/2014 05:38 AM, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 11:35:43AM +0200, Johannes Lips wrote: wouldn't it make sense to integrate a check into the processes, when people leave Redhat, that the packages in fedora are properly orphaned or get a new owner? Why would even someone'

Re: making custom kernels easier to build

2014-08-12 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 4:29 AM, ottos wrote: Since this topic is here. There is an error in Makefile when you do a make modules_install. It attempts to delete a directory with a delete file command. This occurs in two places. If you are fixing fix this problem. Typically, something like t

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

2014-06-23 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/23/2014 11:51 AM, Gerald B. Cox wrote: This has got to be the silliest thing I've ever seen, but whatever. You enter the command dnf remove dnf, and guess what? It removes dnf. You enter the command dnf remove kernel, and guess what, it removes the kernel. What a concept, it does wha

Re: Current FTBFS packages (was Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 21)

2014-06-18 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/18/2014 02:16 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: If I may vent for a moment, I'd like to point out exactly how spurious the blocks usage was (and, implicitly, troll for code review): http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/hfsplus-tools.git/plain/hfsplus-tools-no-blocks.patch That's right kids, the C89

libatasmart viability

2014-06-16 Thread Przemek Klosowski
[I posted it once already, but it ended up buried in another discussion thread due to a botched InReplyTo] Is libatasmart a going concern? The functionality overlaps with smartmontools, and the development seems to have stalled [1]. I originally started using libatasmart few years ago because

Re: [fedora-arm] ExcludeArch tracker doesn't appear to be effective--- how to improve ARM Fedora

2014-06-11 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/11/2014 03:09 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Przemek Klosowski said: Fedora simply must support ARM because it ensures future viability. The progress in ARM hardware platforms is amazing---ARM device sales overtook x86 in 2010 [1] and of course the total number of ARM

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-11 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/11/2014 11:20 AM, Jan Zelený wrote: The transition period is one reason why we want to keep the name dnf. We'd basically like to keep current yum around for users that have various scripts and stuff depending on it so they have some time to migrate to dnf. I think this is a mistake---if d

Re: [fedora-arm] ExcludeArch tracker doesn't appear to be effective--- how to improve ARM Fedora

2014-06-11 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/10/2014 04:12 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: So at the moment there's around 15,000 source packages in Fedora mainline and you're getting depressed over exactly 24 of them? I'm not sure how 24 packages is providing a inconsistent experience. Fedora simply must support ARM because it ensures futu

libatasmart viability

2014-06-10 Thread Przemek Klosowski
Is libatasmart a going concern? The functionality overlaps with smartmontools, and the development seems to have stalled [1]. I originally started using libatasmart few years ago because it had better support for USB bridges, i.e. it allowed reading SMART data from USB external enclosures, whic

Re: Computational chemistry softwares orphaned in F20

2014-05-16 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 05/16/2014 12:02 PM, Susi Lehtola wrote: On Fri, 16 May 2014 08:26:23 -0300 Henrique Junior wrote: MOPAC7 is still in good shape despite the age. Also, I'm active in the field of computational chemistry myself. So is MOPAC7 viable for Fedora? it's been dormant since 2006; is there a bett

Re: The Forgotten "F": A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-22 Thread Przemek Klosowski
of course---I do get that too many spokes on install are confusing and hard to test, so maybe OS install should defer the choice to an already running system. Ceterum censeo, it's all about a well-oiled, flexible software installation/removal mechanism at the center of the OS administratio

Re: The Forgotten "F": A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-21 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 04/21/2014 01:27 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On 04/21/2014 01:07 PM, Haïkel Guémar wrote: > > We should think on how we could improve collaboration with > third-party repos, fedmsg/copr might be part of the technical > solution. How about a Fedora Partnership Program ? We could open up >

Re: default local DNS caching name server

2014-04-11 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 04/11/2014 03:14 PM, P J P wrote: On Saturday, 12 April 2014 12:40 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: It looks like your proposal is going to break things for people using some wifi hotspots. Why, how? It's a hack designed to handle someone that just connected to the network and opened a browser,

Re: F21 system GCC changed to 4.9.0 prerelease

2014-04-11 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 04/11/2014 05:10 AM, Jakub Jelinek wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 11:32:53AM +0300, Panu Matilainen wrote: On 04/10/2014 05:38 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 12:23:07PM +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote: To investigate runtime rather than compile time issues, please consider

Re: Diagrams and images used in documentation

2014-04-04 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 04/03/2014 11:27 PM, William Brown wrote: What is the software that is used to make images like : http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/FreeIPA_Guide/images/IPA_arch.png Or http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html-single/System_Administrators_Guide/images/Network_Inte

Re: [CHANGE PROPOSAL] The securetty file is empty by default

2014-04-03 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 04/03/2014 10:32 AM, quickbooks office wrote: "3.1.4.2.2. Disabling Root Logins To further limit access to the root account, administrators can disable root logins at the console by editing the /etc/securetty file. This is done in the name of accountability, by forcing an administrative log

Re: rfc: EFI System partition, FAT32, repair and non-persistent mount

2014-03-20 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 03/20/2014 01:21 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Mar 19, 2014, at 7:51 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2014-03-19 at 15:57 -0700, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: More complex than trying to mirror a FAT ESP partition across multiple boot disks, keeping it properly synchronized, because RAID isn't s

Re: fail2ban + firewalld suggestions needed

2014-03-20 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 03/20/2014 12:24 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 03/19/2014 02:56 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 02:32:40PM -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote: Hmm, I like this alternative a lot. I'm probably taking this too far, but I'm thinking of: fail2ban-server - core components with minim

Re: fltk blocked?

2014-03-19 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 03/19/2014 04:05 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: fltk has been blocked from F-21 Huh? What are you refering to? indeed there are no recent builds for 21 in the main koji (last one is from August) http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?buildOrder=nvr&packageID=1740&tagOrder=name&tagStart=0

Re: Proposal: Don't show applications in the software center with XPM icons

2014-03-07 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 03/07/2014 11:21 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: On 7 March 2014 14:08, Michael Catanzaro wrote: Microsoft, Apple, and Google set requirements that apps must follow if they want to appear in the software center in order to ensure a good user experience. This is something I absolutely want to do.

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-04 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 02/28/2014 03:45 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: As a server WG member I voted +1 on XFS as I have no particular objection to XFS as a filesystem, but I do think it seems a bit sub-optimal for us to wind up with server and desktop having defaults that are very similar but slightly different, for

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-02-20 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 02/20/2014 12:44 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: One app "with simple default choice and advanced options" effectively *is* two apps, uncomfortably shoehorned into one UI. You get all the disadvantages of complexity with none of the benefits of simplicity. This is why it's a model most apps have

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-02-20 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 02/19/2014 01:16 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sun, 2014-02-16 at 14:38 +, Richard Hughes wrote: On 14 February 2014 21:43, Przemek Klosowski wrote: If we are providing a next-generation UI for installing, to replace yum That's not what we're doing. To expand a bit:

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-02-14 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 02/14/2014 01:41 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 13:02 -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote: On 01/28/2014 03:12 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: On 28 January 2014 18:43, Przemek Klosowski wrote: There are two separate issues here: 'abandonment', and 'GUIness'.

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-02-14 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/28/2014 03:12 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: On 28 January 2014 18:43, Przemek Klosowski wrote: There are two separate issues here: 'abandonment', and 'GUIness'. As to the latter, I think it's a mistake to have a primary application installation tool that only deals

Re: Non-%doc files in %{_defaultdocdir}?

2014-02-11 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 02/11/2014 11:57 AM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: Conversely, there are some directories in /usr/share that look like doc files: /usr/share/gtk-doc belongs to gnome-desktop-devel-2.32.0-12.fc19.x86_64 gnome-desktop3-devel-3.8.4-1.fc19.x86_64 gtk-doc-1.19-1.fc19.noarch /usr/share

Re: LinuxCNC RTAI kernel

2014-02-11 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 02/09/2014 03:21 PM, John Morris wrote: On 02/09/2014 01:53 PM, Sandro Mani wrote: OpenCASCADE should be in fedora soonish actually, see [1]. Woo hoo, news to me! You made my day. (I'm actually one of the OpenCASCADE & FreeCAD maintainers in RPMFusion.) Ditto!! and thanks for your work.

Re: Non-%doc files in %{_defaultdocdir}?

2014-02-11 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 02/09/2014 03:16 AM, John Morris wrote: The Fedora Packaging Guidelines are clear that these files must not be marked as %doc [1]. However, neither source I found for documentation packaging [1,2] said clearly whether files not marked as %doc are allowed in %{_defaultdocdir}/%{name}-%{version

Re: New UEFI guide on the wiki

2014-02-05 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 02/04/2014 06:18 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: And then we can definitely justify making them bigger. 550MB, or even 1GB. It's neutral to plus for performance for either HDDs or SSDs (faux short stroked in the former, and overprovisioned for the latter). Does anyone know why the convention is to c

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-02-05 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 02/05/2014 03:34 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: It's not just that, actually. It has to do with the fact that the majority of the scientific-focused applications are built atop the QT4 and other KDE libraries, making it much better suited to operating atop the KDE desktop environment. Certainly

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-02-04 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 02/04/2014 06:15 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: honestly going back to only a install DVD with a sane user-UI and dedicate all the time wasted for the spin/products/discrimination discussions for documentations, screenshots and howtos would have more benefit for Fedora there is nothing you can't s

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/29/2014 07:10 PM, Ian Malone wrote: On 29 January 2014 23:58, Josh Boyer wrote: I consider myself squarely in the middle of those two camps. I think they have value to people. I think they fill a niche, however large or small it might be. I also think they can be done by the people wi

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-28 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/25/2014 05:08 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: I can think of several programs that I use daily that are simple enough so that there's not much development happening to them. For example, the 'units' program, which I showed recently to some mechanical engineers who use Linux and they went 'OMG t

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-24 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/23/2014 03:26 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: I don't think we need to drop any packages, unless keeping that package is actually making our life harder in a significant way. What I think it's makes a lot of sense doing is -hiding- the applications that are abandonware. Users that really want s

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-10 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/09/2014 07:23 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 09.01.2014 22:16, schrieb Przemek Klosowski: By the way, currently the protected list seems to be 'yum, systemd and running kernel'. I don't have a system to try it on what about the machine you sitting in front of? without -y f

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-09 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/09/2014 01:58 PM, Ian Malone wrote: Latest installed is almost exactly not what you want, I've had plenty (where plenty in this case is probably >5) of cases where a kernel update broke something, in quite a few of those cases to a state where the system wouldn't boot. If the most recent on

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-08 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/05/2014 08:33 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: "yum remove kernel" is a clean and sane way to remove all but not the running kernels "distribute-command.sh 'yum -y remove kernel'" is used here for years on a ton of machines why do you think that a *replacement* should come up not support this? w

Request Tracker v.4

2013-12-18 Thread Przemek Klosowski
I haven't seen anything related to Request Tracker v.4 on Fedora sites. bestpractical.com claims it's a major update with lots of bug fixes and improvements: http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/whats-new/ What is the status---is anyone working on / planning to package v.4? I suppose it won't be a

Re: FTBFS if "-Werror=format-security" flag is used

2013-12-09 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 12/06/2013 09:21 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: printf(string) is legitimate C, forcing "printf("%s", string) is just silly. My apologies for being repetitive, but the original point is that printf(string) is insecure unless you can guarantee that you control 'string' now and forever. Also,

Re: FTBFS if "-Werror=format-security" flag is used

2013-12-06 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 12/05/2013 08:27 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: The vast majority of those warnings are actually false positives, not actual security issues. Putting my upstream hat on, if asked to "fix" such a false positive, I'd do one of: (a) close the bug as INVALID/NOTABUG/WONTFIX or (b) hardcode -Wno-error=for

Re: Enabling "-Werror=format-security" by default

2013-11-20 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 11/20/2013 11:13 AM, Jerry James wrote: path_sprintf(), which is static in Game.c. All callers of that function are visible in the same file, and all pass constant strings into the function, which passes those constant strings to sprintf(). The function's purpose is to produce a pathname for

Re: BuildRequires: redhat-rpm-config

2013-11-14 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 11/14/2013 03:56 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: I had a bug filed that a Python package I'm maintaining cannot be rebuilt using 'rpmbuild --rebuild'. The failure was that the *.pyc and *.pyo files are missing. After a lot of head-scratching and debugging it turns out that brp-python-bytecompi

Re: Can we have better ssh fingerprint collision messages?

2013-11-13 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 11/12/2013 07:47 AM, Miroslav Suchý wrote: 2) if you know that some machines change fingerprint and you *trust it* you can do: ~/.ssh/config: Host 192.168.1.1 UserKnownHostsFile /dev/null It always bugged me that the choice was to either disable or manually edit an obscure file, so

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-06 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 11/06/2013 05:08 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 06.11.2013 23:03, schrieb Miloslav Trmač: On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: We don't have a way of telling which updates REQUIRE reboot(*)--but solving this problem by rebooting always is not right, in my opinion.

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-06 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 11/03/2013 08:23 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Michael Scherer wrote: However, since you didn't explained at all what are the issues you are facing with the new approach, and since you have only explained how you are doing on your 20 servers ( which is totally unrelated to the question of desktops,

Re: Fatal flaw in the udev paradigm?

2013-10-31 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 10/31/2013 02:03 AM, rran...@ihug.com.au wrote: I have run into an issue which seems to call into question the udev paradigm for USB devices. In my case it has ramifications in ModemManager and gpsd packages, but I see it as a fundamental problem with udev which is in all current versions of

Re: [Fwd: F19: "yum groups mark convert" problem]

2013-10-29 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 10/29/2013 02:07 PM, Dario Lesca wrote: Il giorno mar, 29/10/2013 alle 09.38 +0100, Dario Lesca ha scritto: Sorry for cross post, but I would avoid to reinstall my notebook Someone can help me? Since I had not gotten any suggestion, today I have tray this command: # yum update --bugfix --s

Re: $HOME/.local/bin in $PATH

2013-10-28 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 10/28/2013 02:08 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote: On Seg, 2013-10-28 at 11:28 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: On Mon, 28 Oct 2013, Michael Schwendt wrote: Exists for a longer time already, added in of the .fc16 builds: * Tue Jun 07 2011 Roman Rakus <…> - 4.2.10-3 - Added $HOME/.local/bin to PATH in .bash

Re: [HEADSUP] Atlas changed libraries

2013-09-23 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 09/23/2013 08:46 AM, Susi Lehtola wrote: On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:34:50 +0200 Kevin Kofler wrote: Matthew Miller wrote: Actually, what ATLAS upstream intends is for the program to be recompiled on every installation (or boot, even). I think we used to have packages that did that; this is a co

Re: Packages requiring Xorg "BackingStore" "true"

2013-09-12 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 09/11/2013 05:27 PM, Sandro Mani wrote: Well, yes, but it ought to work regardless of the xorg.conf setting, because that setting has been effectively hardwired to true for about six years now. I rewrote the backing store implementation to use Composite internally, which is always available

Re: separation emacs-common into more packages

2013-09-10 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 09/10/2013 10:06 AM, 80 wrote: as an emacs user, splitting emacs-common has little value to me, and without a package requiring most of the splitted packages, it might even turn into an annoyance (much like texlive). Yeah, 4872 packages reported by repoquery texlive*. That's over 12% of

Re: 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat)

2013-09-05 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 09/05/2013 02:52 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: so, no whatever macro is repsonsible for this exactly at the release with a non well thought release name this happens -why in the world does Fedora again and agin make decisions which are *not* tested and months before release the impact is known ar

Re: ps2pdf not finding Times-Italic font - where should it be?

2013-08-07 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 08/07/2013 01:53 PM, Paul Howarth wrote: I'm trying to track down a problem I'm having with ps2pdf in Rawhide, whereby it can't find the Times-Italic font. I know very little about fonts and in fact I don't even know where (in which package, or on the filesystem) this font should live. The Raw

Re: EPEL (was Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk))

2013-07-23 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 07/22/2013 03:53 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 07/22/2013 06:13 PM, Eric Smith wrote: But it's not an objective of Fedora to have long-term-stable releases suitable for running servers! Says who? That is because Fedora has a 13 month support policy https://fedoraproject.org/wik

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-17 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 07/16/2013 07:33 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: Note that the feature includes that we add in a README file to /var/log/ which explains the situation and suggests the command lines to get the logs with journalctl. Perhaps also add /var/log/messages containing this line: May 16 17:37:20 Fed

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-17 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 07/15/2013 11:20 PM, Dan Fruehauf wrote: By all means any windows person I know would much rather have logs as plain text. Not the other way around. I am not a windows person but I liked the way event viewer allowed to select and re-sort entries, even with their very limited capabilities.

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-17 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 07/15/2013 07:25 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 09:13:24AM +1000, Dan Fruehauf wrote: Another question while we're at it - what happens if and when you decide to change your binary format for storing files for whatever reason? Is that when we understand that we should have

Re: More unhelpful update descriptions

2013-07-01 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/29/2013 05:12 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: I do agree that the RPM changelog is completely useless in the case of most of my packages, and if there is something interesting there it would benefit from a slightly longer description in the update summary rather than some magical automatic i

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/28/2013 01:31 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: Yee, I just _love_ me some Macs. Thanks; I'll take that into account for commonbugs. When did Macs stop having ethernet ports? When the MacBook Air became the flagship Mac. We just got a MacBook Air and it came with a Thunderbolt pigtail Eth

Re: icedtea-web installed and enabled by default in Fedora 19

2013-06-19 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/19/2013 01:29 AM, Dhiru Kholia wrote: Some recent news, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/14/java_june_critical_patch_update/ "The majority are vulnerable through browser plugins, 11 of which are exploitable for complete control of the underlying operating system," said Ross Barrett,

Re: Call for Bikeshedding: remote auth at install time

2013-06-17 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/05/2013 03:37 PM, Stef Walter wrote: What does work, and has been tested is logging in as root and simply typing this: realm join mydomain.com I filed https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=975182 because of confusing error messages when there is no pre-existing AD computer acct:

Re: Installing a very old Fedora (FC6) in a chroot?

2013-06-12 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/12/2013 08:44 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: To test / bench / verify old behaviour of PHP4, I need to install FC6 in a chroot. My approach for non-standard versions is to pull the relevant source RPM and just build it in the existing/convenient environment. If RPMs are not your bread-and-b

Re: Call for Bikeshedding: remote auth at install time

2013-06-04 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/04/2013 10:28 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 06/04/2013 02:26 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: ('winbind crashed with no error messages; restart it; oops crashed again; restart samba maybe; YAY, success, don't touch anything') Pre systemd winbind/samba m

Re: Call for Bikeshedding: remote auth at install time

2013-06-04 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/03/2013 09:07 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: We all know what devel@ does best, so let's fire up the power of the bikeshedding machine :) We had https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=965883 on the list of release blocker candidates that we evaluated at the blocker review meeting this mor

Re: Flock proposals now open for community voting

2013-06-04 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/04/2013 10:02 AM, Tom Callaway wrote: On 06/04/2013 09:55 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: What's even weirder is that some folks are explicitly mentioned (such as Jon Masters) in the descriptions, so the playing field isn't actually that levelled after all? Only people who refer to themsel

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