Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.09.2014 um 19:41 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: > On 09/23/2014 04:15 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: >> On 09/22/2014 12:53 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: For the journal you always keep all log history in it's original state >>> On low-bandwidth systems, like laptops or diskless nodes, it's

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-23 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 09/23/2014 04:15 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: On 09/22/2014 12:53 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: For the journal you always keep all log history in it's original state On low-bandwidth systems, like laptops or diskless nodes, it's a performance hit to generate the log entry in the first place. It's

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-23 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 09/22/2014 12:53 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: For the journal you always keep all log history in it's original state On low-bandwidth systems, like laptops or diskless nodes, it's a performance hit to generate the log entry in the first place. It's really important to be able to configure the syste

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Matthew Miller
Seriously, both of you: this back and forth (and particularly the personal squabbling!) do not help us with Fedora development, which is what this list is for. If there's a problem somewhere here which we can address, let's talk about technical problems and solutions. Or if there are upstream issue

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Reindl Harald
what you quote or at least read it before strip, not that nobody can read the whole post but your quoting style is abusive BTW. you still refuse to understand that produce that lot of messages *is wrong* in *non-debugging* mode Weitergeleitete Nachricht Betreff: Re: [systemd-dev

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 22.09.2014 um 21:00 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: > On 09/22/2014 06:17 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> # Log systemd-logind to /var/log/secure >> :programname, isequal, "systemd-logind" -/var/log/secure >> :programname, isequal, "systemd-logind" stop >> :msg, contains, "Starting Sessi

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 09/22/2014 06:17 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: # Log systemd-logind to /var/log/secure :programname, isequal, "systemd-logind" -/var/log/secure :programname, isequal, "systemd-logind" stop :msg, contains, "Starting Session" stop :msg, contains, "Started Session" stop :msg, contains, "S

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 09/22/2014 04:53 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: For the journal you always keep all log history in it's original state On low-bandwidth systems, like laptops or diskless nodes, it's a performance hit to generate the log entry in the first place. It's really important to be able to configure the syst

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 22.09.2014 um 19:51 schrieb Reindl Harald: > Am 22.09.2014 um 19:37 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: >> >> On 09/22/2014 04:35 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > For example if you want to see just error messages in the journal you > use "journalctl -p 3" or "journalctl -b -p 3" if you want it

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 22.09.2014 um 19:37 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: > > On 09/22/2014 04:35 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: >>> >For example if you want to see just error messages in the journal you >>> >use "journalctl -p 3" or "journalctl -b -p 3" if you want it only from >>> >last boot ( add boot id if you want

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 09/22/2014 04:35 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: >For example if you want to see just error messages in the journal you >use "journalctl -p 3" or "journalctl -b -p 3" if you want it only from >last boot ( add boot id if you want to from specific boot ) or you add >"journalctl -b -p 3 -u httpd.ser

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Haïkel
Please avoid cross-posting in the middle of a thread without contextualization. Regards, H. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread DJ Delorie
> For the journal you always keep all log history in it's original > state On low-bandwidth systems, like laptops or diskless nodes, it's a performance hit to generate the log entry in the first place. It's really important to be able to configure the system to *generate* a minimal amount of com

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 22.09.2014 um 18:35 schrieb Miloslav Trmač: > - Original Message - >> For example if you want to see just error messages in the journal you >> use "journalctl -p 3" or "journalctl -b -p 3" if you want it only from >> last boot ( add boot id if you want to from specific boot ) or you ad

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Miloslav Trmač
- Original Message - > For example if you want to see just error messages in the journal you > use "journalctl -p 3" or "journalctl -b -p 3" if you want it only from > last boot ( add boot id if you want to from specific boot ) or you add > "journalctl -b -p 3 -u httpd.service" if you wan

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 09/22/2014 02:25 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: (stripping systemd-devel) - Original Message - >Am 22.09.2014 um 14:44 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: > >This is simply untrue as "journalctl -o export" will show you. > >where is it in the message? >the process is "systemd" > >how to dis

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 22.09.2014 um 17:18 schrieb Sérgio Basto: > On Seg, 2014-09-22 at 17:00 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> Am 22.09.2014 um 16:48 schrieb Sérgio Basto: >>> On Seg, 2014-09-22 at 16:08 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: no you refuse to understand that *nobody* wants to split out *all* syste

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Seg, 2014-09-22 at 17:00 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 22.09.2014 um 16:48 schrieb Sérgio Basto: > > On Seg, 2014-09-22 at 16:08 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> no you refuse to understand that *nobody* wants to split > >> out *all* systemd logs because just the excessive *user > >> sess

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 22.09.2014 um 16:48 schrieb Sérgio Basto: > On Seg, 2014-09-22 at 16:08 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: >> no you refuse to understand that *nobody* wants to split >> out *all* systemd logs because just the excessive *user >> session* logging and that this messages should not exist >> at all in a

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Seg, 2014-09-22 at 16:08 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > no you refuse to understand that *nobody* wants to split > out *all* systemd logs because just the excessive *user > session* logging and that this messages should not exist > at all in a non-debugging environment IIUC , this messages doesn

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 22.09.2014 um 16:25 schrieb Miloslav Trmač: > (stripping systemd-devel) > > - Original Message - >> Am 22.09.2014 um 14:44 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: >>> This is simply untrue as "journalctl -o export" will show you. >> >> where is it in the message? >> the process is "systemd" >>

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Miloslav Trmač
(stripping systemd-devel) - Original Message - > Am 22.09.2014 um 14:44 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: > > This is simply untrue as "journalctl -o export" will show you. > > where is it in the message? > the process is "systemd" > > how to distinct between user sessions and systemn boot?

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 22.09.2014 um 15:55 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: > On 09/22/2014 12:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> i suggest you get rid of that arrogance and some other developers >> too because it's the reason for the subject and proves that you >> *do not* care about users as long you have not the same o

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 09/22/2014 12:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: i suggest you get rid of that arrogance and some other developers too because it's the reason for the subject and proves that you *do not* care about users as long you have not the same opinion you are the one demanding a friendly tone from me, well

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 22.09.2014 um 14:44 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: >>> > Then file a bug report against rsyslog and provide a patch which fixes >>> > the default log filtering in Fedora to your expectation but leave >>> > systemd out of it. >> wow - in any other case the systemd developers saying that >> the