Mathieu Bridon wrote:
That's called reporting a bug, and (as far as I'm concerned) it
actually works, especially when you're specific. You should try it:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org
LOL… Any bug report about one of GNOME's intentional improvements gets
instantly closed as INVALID, NOTABUG
Hi
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
LOL… Any bug report about one of GNOME's intentional improvements gets
instantly closed as INVALID, NOTABUG or WONTFIX (or as a duplicate of an
existing bug in one of these states).
This is of course a false generalization. Some of
You have two possibilities:
1. Show sessions before selecting/entering the user:
Means basically including something like 'default session' or
'previous session'
2. Show sessions after selecting/entering the user:
Means you can show the actual session that will be chosen.
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 02:14:30PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Olav Vitters wrote:
1. Show sessions before selecting/entering the user:
Means basically including something like 'default session' or
'previous session'
That's how the rest of the world does it…
2. Show sessions
On 18 February 2013 10:37, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
I'm trying to collect feedback, I'd expect some respect instead of one
liners. Loads of people working in Fedora don't follow devel@ because of
the attitude displayed here. I often get questioned wtf I spend the time
to proceed
On 02/18/2013 07:58 PM, Ian Malone wrote:
On 18 February 2013 10:37, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
I'm trying to collect feedback, I'd expect some respect instead of one
liners. Loads of people working in Fedora don't follow devel@ because of
the attitude displayed here. I often get
On 18 February 2013 12:57, Mathieu Bridon boche...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On 02/18/2013 07:58 PM, Ian Malone wrote:
On 18 February 2013 10:37, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
I'm trying to collect feedback, I'd expect some respect instead of one
liners. Loads of people working in
Olav Vitters wrote:
1. Show sessions before selecting/entering the user:
Means basically including something like 'default session' or
'previous session'
That's how the rest of the world does it…
2. Show sessions after selecting/entering the user:
Means you can show the actual
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 02/15/2013 09:17 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Several people on #fedora-kde see this UI as a way to push the agenda
of making users not even realize there's an alternative to GNOME
Those several people have poor attitude when they assume malice. It is
a poisonous thing
Hi
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
I guess in this case the principle never ascribe to malice what can be
adequately explained by incompetence applies. ;-)
I guess you are being sarcastic but assuming incompetence is slightly
better than assuming malice but the best
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 06:20:52PM -0800, Samuel Sieb wrote:
My understanding is that the session list is dependent on the user
selected. At least the default session is, so it made sense to wait
until a user is chosen before showing the list.
Using this you can show the correct default
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 12:15:10AM +0100, Martin Sourada wrote:
What about users *without* password? It's insecure (in most cases), but
possible.
That is a known tradeoff/bug. IMO this is a case of 'it hurts when I do
this'. Tradeoff is how often you have a nicer experience (showing the
right
On 09/02/13 01:03 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Adam Williamson wrote:
...but as Rahul said, they all allow you to log in to any desktop. There
seems to be a meme in this thread that GDM does not, but that's not
correct, it does. The choice is not visible unless you actually have
multiple desktops
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote:
When talking to Ubuntu users, they are telling Unity is as biasing as
Gnome3.
Aside from the visual arrangement of things, I haven't seen *major*
differences between the GNOME 3 and the Unity user interfaces. It's
not
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 19:13:08 -0800
Adam Williamson wrote:
On 09/02/13 01:03 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Last I checked, GDM also hid that feature so well that many users
missed it. In fact, unless this changed recently, when you input
your user name, the option is NOT shown, it only appears
Le samedi 16 février 2013 à 00:15 +0100, Martin Sourada a écrit :
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 19:13:08 -0800
Adam Williamson wrote:
On 09/02/13 01:03 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Last I checked, GDM also hid that feature so well that many users
missed it. In fact, unless this changed recently,
Adam Williamson wrote:
On 09/02/13 01:03 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Last I checked, GDM also hid that feature so well that many users missed
it. In fact, unless this changed recently, when you input your user name,
the option is NOT shown, it only appears after you confirm your user
name,
On 02/15/2013 06:17 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Adam Williamson wrote:
Well, yes, that's true. How does that count as 'well hidden'? It's not
like you can login without entering your password.
I call it well hidden because real users have come complaining to
#fedora-kde claiming GDM does not
On 02/15/2013 09:17 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Several people on #fedora-kde see this UI as a way to push the agenda
of making users not even realize there's an alternative to GNOME
Those several people have poor attitude when they assume malice. It is
a poisonous thing to do
Rahul
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On 02/08/2013 01:39 PM, drago01 wrote:
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote:
Gnome3 and Gnome2's GUI working principles are entirely different and
therefore are catering the demands of different target audiences.
Citation needed for implication is
On 02/09/2013 12:39 PM, Michael Scherer wrote:
2) if the fedora forums poll is biased due to default to gnome 3, then
why isn't unity being more represented in the linuxquestion poll ?
When talking to Ubuntu users, they are telling Unity is as biasing as
Gnome3.
Is it because :
- Unity, by
On 11 February 2013 22:24, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
Ian Malone wrote:
On record? Is there going to be a trial?
What frustrates me is it's such an uphill battle.
Step 1: Everything changes.
Step 2: Users protest, some leave.
Step 3: Supporters respond there's nothing wrong
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 08:07:23AM +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 02/08/2013 01:39 PM, drago01 wrote:
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote:
Gnome3 and Gnome2's GUI working principles are entirely different and
therefore are catering the demands of
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:37:31AM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 11.02.2013 11:31, schrieb Olav Vitters:
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 07:59:22PM +, Ian Malone wrote:
In the end, more than any usability quibbles, the best reason to give
up on a project is when it refuses to listen to its end
Am 12.02.2013 15:47, schrieb Olav Vitters:
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:37:31AM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 11.02.2013 11:31, schrieb Olav Vitters:
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 07:59:22PM +, Ian Malone wrote:
In the end, more than any usability quibbles, the best reason to give
up on a
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 03:50:56PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 12.02.2013 15:47, schrieb Olav Vitters:
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:37:31AM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 11.02.2013 11:31, schrieb Olav Vitters:
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 07:59:22PM +, Ian Malone wrote:
In the end,
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On 11 February 2013 07:15, Casey Dahlin
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 07:59:22PM +, Ian Malone wrote:
In the end, more than any usability quibbles, the best reason to give
up on a project is when it refuses to listen to its end users.
The GNOME release notes over various cycles have listed loads of changes
which have been made based on
Am 11.02.2013 11:31, schrieb Olav Vitters:
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 07:59:22PM +, Ian Malone wrote:
In the end, more than any usability quibbles, the best reason to give
up on a project is when it refuses to listen to its end users.
The GNOME release notes over various cycles have
On 02/08/2013 07:23 PM, Martin Sourada wrote:
* gnome devs are systematically removing features many former gnome
users thought were useful, and sometimes adding them back again
after a year or so of complains.
Today's xkcd is relevant---every change breaks someone's workflow
Ian Malone wrote:
On record? Is there going to be a trial?
What frustrates me is it's such an uphill battle.
Step 1: Everything changes.
Step 2: Users protest, some leave.
Step 3: Supporters respond there's nothing wrong and essentially
everyone who doesn't like it is too stupid or lazy.
On Sunday, February 10, 2013, Samuel Sieb sam...@sieb.net wrote:
＞ As an aside, when I first saw gnome-shell, I thought it would be horrible
to use. But after a while of using it, finding gnome-tweak-tool, and
installing a couple of extensions, I've been quite happy with it. I
actually think
On 9 February 2013 12:52, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote:
Le samedi 09 février 2013 à 11:34 +, Ian Malone a écrit :
On 9 February 2013 00:37, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 1:23 AM, Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com
wrote:
* Gnome 3's target
On 9 February 2013 12:25, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote:
* Gnome 3 is going the I-know-better-then-you-what's-good-for-you
way.
Sure by giving you an extension system that allows you to do whatever
you want with the
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote:
Gnome 3 is designed for a touch interface. The majority of touch
interfaces are mobile phones. Touch interfaces on computers are a
minority. Gnome 3 is a poor mobile phone interface, but that doesn't
mean it's a good laptop
On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 11:34:34AM +, Ian Malone wrote:
Gnome 2 slowly returned to the old behaviour in many ways. Gnome 3 is
starting to do this.
As someone who, I presume, does not like Gnome 3, and as someone who, I will
wildly guess, shares the notion that GNOME devs are doing
On 11 February 2013 07:15, Casey Dahlin cdah...@redhat.com wrote:
On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 11:34:34AM +, Ian Malone wrote:
Gnome 2 slowly returned to the old behaviour in many ways. Gnome 3 is
starting to do this.
As someone who, I presume, does not like Gnome 3, and as someone who, I
Jan Kratochvil wrote:
From what I have reports even Fedora 32-bit does not boot on such machines
because nobody tests the bleeding edge Fedora kernels on such obsolete
hardware.
FYI, kernel-3.7.3-101.fc17.i686 runs fine on a Pentium 4 Northwood (which
predates EM64T, i.e. what's now known as
Adam Williamson wrote:
It's an *initial* state, not a never-changing one. When I first decided
I was going to try Linux, I wanted to try Linux. I wanted exactly what
our download page gives you - a simple link to a thing called Linux I
could download and fiddle with. I'm not sure I wanted my
Debarshi Ray wrote:
I know this applies, but installing gnome-shell pulls in gdm.
I.e. removing gdm without removing gnone-shell is not possible.
Because gnome-shell (running in a special mode) is nowadays the greeter
used by GDM. That does not mean GDM won't let you log into KDE if you
Debarshi Ray wrote:
Keep in mind that to get to the point of installing an alternative-only
DE, in current Fedora, you normally first have a full blown Gnome3
installed, which is close to impossible to get rid of.
[citation needed]
There's no straightforward way to remove GNOME: yum
Adam Williamson wrote:
...but as Rahul said, they all allow you to log in to any desktop. There
seems to be a meme in this thread that GDM does not, but that's not
correct, it does. The choice is not visible unless you actually have
multiple desktops installed, but when you do, it gives you
drago01 wrote:
There is no easy way to install applications (regular user don't want
to mess up with packages).
Huh? Fire up gnome-packagekit or Apper, choose your app, make 2 or 3 clicks
(install, apply, confirm dependencies if any), enter your root password and
the app is there. How do you
Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 02:59 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
, but since you started it: OpenSUSE is doing just fine
doing exactly what I suggest (making people actually pick their
download). Their download button actually points to a selector, not
directly to an ISO.
Alec Leamas wrote:
On 2013-02-05 21:46, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
You ordered Gnome and have been served Pizza for a long time - now
you're being served Burgers :-)
Well, from a nutrition perspective that's actually a big step forward.
Perhaps time to trust the chef? ;)
Huh? A plain cheese
Rave it wrote:
There is a current poll at fedora forum.
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=284463
The winner is...
There are several factors which bias this poll:
* GNOME 3 is the default in Fedora, so of course more Fedora users will be
using it, merely due to the fact that
Hi Kevin,
On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 11:09:15 +0100
Kevin Kofler wrote:
There are several factors which bias this poll:
* GNOME 3 is the default in Fedora, so of course more Fedora users
will be using it, merely due to the fact that it is the default.
* Some people actually left Fedora over GNOME
Martin Sourada wrote:
That's the first time I've seen XFCE win over GNOME, LOL.
It shouldn't be, it was the same last year (and I had already posted the
link back then). :-)
On 9 February 2013 00:37, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 1:23 AM, Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com
wrote:
* Gnome 3's target audience does not enclose majority of Gnome 2's
target audience, though it *does* have some intersection. Many of
those are
Le samedi 09 février 2013 à 11:09 +0100, Kevin Kofler a écrit :
Rave it wrote:
There is a current poll at fedora forum.
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=284463
The winner is...
There are several factors which bias this poll:
* GNOME 3 is the default in Fedora, so
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote:
* Gnome 3 is going the I-know-better-then-you-what's-good-for-you
way.
Sure by giving you an extension system that allows you to do whatever
you want with the desktop
Is anyone doing that?
Le samedi 09 février 2013 à 11:34 +, Ian Malone a écrit :
On 9 February 2013 00:37, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 1:23 AM, Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com
wrote:
* Gnome 3's target audience does not enclose majority of Gnome 2's
target
On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 08:35:56PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le Ven 8 février 2013 13:22, Olav Vitters a écrit :
On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 10:34:58AM +0100, Stijn Hoop wrote:
I am providing a datapoint that directly contradicts your original
statement, namely that there is a completely
On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 11:21:49PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
I stand by my statement that this was a very awkward moment, with Vincent
and the GNOME team radiating unhappiness and pretty much everyone else
being perplexed and wondering whether they should take offence at being
accused of
Michael Scherer wrote:
Gnome-shell is not mean to be used nor appropriate for a mobile phone.
And despite being rather usable on a touch screen ( I tested ), it is
still not sufficient there for 1 million of details ( Vincent Untz talk
also said the same, see gnome people to see the details ).
Michael Scherer wrote:
Well, a majority of people think such polls are useless,
Do you have a poll to prove that? ;-)
Seriously, the only thing more inaccurate than statistic is MADE UP
statistics. :-/
1) 792 people. Just to compare, there is 300 people on #fedora-devel on
irc, and 800 on
On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 03:46:57PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Michael Scherer wrote:
Gnome-shell is not mean to be used nor appropriate for a mobile phone.
And despite being rather usable on a touch screen ( I tested ), it is
still not sufficient there for 1 million of details ( Vincent
On Sat, 2013-02-09 at 15:01 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 08:35:56PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le Ven 8 février 2013 13:22, Olav Vitters a écrit :
On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 10:34:58AM +0100, Stijn Hoop wrote:
I am providing a datapoint that directly contradicts
On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 05:38:46PM +0100, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
The only thing I can think of is that people turning their back on you,
not looking at you when you are asked to raise your hand on something
they worked on, this might be intimidating to some people.
I was not one of these,
On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 10:22:41AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
drago01 wrote:
There is no easy way to install applications (regular user don't want
to mess up with packages).
Huh? Fire up gnome-packagekit or Apper, choose your app, make 2 or 3 clicks
(install, apply, confirm dependencies
On 02/09/2013 03:34 AM, Ian Malone wrote:
1. I no longer use workspaces to manage different tasks unless there
are lots of windows and then I sometimes overflow onto 2. This is
because they're less useful as you now can't switch without going to
the activities view and they aren't segregated
On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 07:47:48 +0100
Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote:
On 02/06/2013 08:42 AM, Stijn Hoop wrote:
On Tue, 05 Feb 2013 21:46:32 +0100
Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote:
The actual problem is the current Gnome 3 being an entirely
different product than Gnome 2,
On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 10:34:58AM +0100, Stijn Hoop wrote:
I am providing a datapoint that directly contradicts your original
statement, namely that there is a completely different target
audience for GNOME 2 vs GNOME 3.
I am that datapoint.
As are various others during FOSDEM (Vincent
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote:
On 02/06/2013 08:42 AM, Stijn Hoop wrote:
On Tue, 05 Feb 2013 21:46:32 +0100
Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote:
The actual problem is the current Gnome 3 being an entirely different
product than Gnome 2, which
Le Ven 8 février 2013 13:22, Olav Vitters a écrit :
On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 10:34:58AM +0100, Stijn Hoop wrote:
I am providing a datapoint that directly contradicts your original
statement, namely that there is a completely different target
audience for GNOME 2 vs GNOME 3.
I am that
On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 20:35:56 +0100
Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote:
Le Ven 8 février 2013 13:22, Olav Vitters a écrit :
On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 10:34:58AM +0100, Stijn Hoop wrote:
I am providing a datapoint that directly contradicts your original
statement, namely that
I'm not sure there's any place in our community where it is acceptable
for people to go to fight. Nor do I think that would be healthy.
I would prefer to think that noone in our community really wants to
hurt anyone else. I think if anyone showed up at any face-to-face
meeting specifically with
On Fri, 08.02.13 20:35, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) wrote:
Le Ven 8 février 2013 13:22, Olav Vitters a écrit :
On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 10:34:58AM +0100, Stijn Hoop wrote:
I am providing a datapoint that directly contradicts your original
statement, namely that there is
The FOSDEM poll was stacked ??? no one really wanted to hurt Vincent Untz
too much given his obvious efforts to be nice, there was this knot of
GNOME people bunched together that were a tad intimidating, and people do
[...]
So don't overplay the GNOME 3 FOSDEM session, it was an awkward
I know this applies, but installing gnome-shell pulls in gdm.
I.e. removing gdm without removing gnone-shell is not possible.
Because gnome-shell (running in a special mode) is nowadays the greeter used
by GDM. That does not mean GDM won't let you log into KDE if you have it
installed.
As
Keep in mind that to get to the point of installing an alternative-only
DE, in current Fedora, you normally first have a full blown Gnome3
installed, which is close to impossible to get rid of.
[citation needed]
Cheers,
Debarshi
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Le Ven 8 février 2013 21:30, Debarshi Ray a écrit :
The FOSDEM poll was stacked ??? no one really wanted to hurt Vincent
Untz
too much given his obvious efforts to be nice, there was this knot of
GNOME people bunched together that were a tad intimidating, and people
do
[...]
So don't
Lennart,
For better or worse Vincent Untz had people express themselves on systemd
at FOSDEM, and pretty much everyone thought you were doing great. I can
understand your regrets that it was less the case for your GNOME 3
friends, but that should not overshadow this great achievement of the
On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 20:45:30 +0100
Stijn Hoop wrote:
But I will keep objecting to the single-sided argument that there is
no GNOME 2 user that likes GNOME 3. I fully support those who have
tried and rejected the new stuff -- as long as they don't impose their
opinion on me :-)
I don't think
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 1:23 AM, Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com wrote:
* Gnome devs didn't learn from KDE's mistake (the release of beta
stuff as 4.0) and went even further. Users affected by only this
might return (like Linus did).
I can't recall that many stability bugs
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 3:37 PM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
Being different does not imply different target audience ... same
thing and discussion happened when GNOME 2.0 got released.
Now the haters from back then want GNOME 2.0 back ;)
Can we start a new thread about bringing sawfish
On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 01:37:03 +0100
drago01 wrote:
I can't recall that many stability bugs getting reported against GNOME
3.0 ... so [citation needed].
Well the fallback mode being a poor man's excuse was partly the case why
the people couldn't stay with gnome. Loads of features weren't
Could we move this to a gnome/desktop list?
The subject of the thread has been decided...
I don't think it's providing much value to the Fedora devel community
anymore.
kevin
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On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 18:21:00 -0700
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
Could we move this to a gnome/desktop list?
The subject of the thread has been decided...
I don't think it's providing much value to the Fedora devel community
anymore.
Ah, yes, my apologies. I would rather end this off topic
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
Could we move this to a gnome/desktop list?
The subject of the thread has been decided...
I don't think it's providing much value to the Fedora devel community
anymore.
+1. Gnome 2 was counterintuitive enough. I can't imagine how Gnome 3
Can a admin pls close this topic?
boring
since some days, people who don't want use gnome anymore are branded as
'haters' and 'reactionary'.
.i don't and want follow your logic.
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On 02/06/2013 08:42 AM, Stijn Hoop wrote:
On Tue, 05 Feb 2013 21:46:32 +0100
Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote:
The actual problem is the current Gnome 3 being an entirely different
product than Gnome 2, which usability-wise has *nothing* in common
with Gnome2 and addresses a completely
On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 15:53:20 -0800
Adam Williamson wrote:
You're a new Linux user, you go to our download page, and instead of a
simple big green Download button, it starts asking you questions about
what 'desktop environment' you want? What the hell is this crap?
Well, than with the current
On 02/05/2013 07:49 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 17:17 +, Tom Hughes wrote:
On 05/02/13 16:58, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
What's worse is that it's harder than it used to be to change the
desktop---desktop style is no longer a login-time selection. In fact, I
am not sure
On Wed, 2013-02-06 at 10:01 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 02/05/2013 07:49 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 17:17 +, Tom Hughes wrote:
On 05/02/13 16:58, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
What's worse is that it's harder than it used to be to change the
desktop---desktop
On Wed, 06 Feb 2013 16:58:22 +0800
Mathieu Bridon wrote:
But your statement was even less backed by data. ;)
I was assuming the case of newcomers doing the switch by themselves,
coming from Windows (supposedly pre Win8), in rare cases from Mac OS X.
My data is generally known -- just look over
On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 02:22:21PM +0100, Stijn Hoop wrote:
Normally I try not to do this, but: what he said.
Vincent Untz asked for a show of hands of people who used GNOME 2, GNOME
3, switched, etc. Recommend seeing the FOSDEM video. Loads of people
indicated that they use GNOME 3, though less
On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 09:28:16PM -0800, Eric Bergen wrote:
Success! I've switched over to Cinnamon. The start style menu is back
and I am happy. I'm sure I could get used to gnome-shell but my first
experience wasn't a good one.
To add:
- Cinnamon was forked from gnome-shell, so any slowness
On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 08:06:51PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
what makes me rellay angry (as one who never used and will use
GNOME and i knew GNOME 1.0 and KDE 1.0 as well where most users
of today not heard about linux at all) is that the GNOME developers
did NOT learn ANYTHING by the KDE4.0
On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 at 12:04:44AM +0100, Rave it wrote:
Your look in a crystal ball is far away from reality like the topic
himself.
Pls, give more to laugh.
and stay close to facts instead of posting your personal
perspective.
This doesn't help us really.
Pot calling the kettle
Am 05.02.2013 21:31, schrieb Ian Malone:
On 5 February 2013 20:10, Alec Leamas leamas.a...@gmail.com wrote:
I wouldn't say Fedora follows blindly but rather chooses an upstream from
some alternatives (their ability to handle feedback from us beeing one ot
the criterias).
Gnome has been
Am 05.02.2013 22:21, schrieb Luya Tshimbalanga:
On 05/02/13 12:09 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
In the Gnome2 days you had choices between functionally similar DEs.
Times have changed ... Gnome has been forked multiply (Gnome3, MATE,
Cinammon), xfce/enlightenment are back.
Gnome 3 is still
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From: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net
Am 05.02.2013 22:21, schrieb Luya Tshimbalanga:
On 05/02/13 12:09 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
Gnome 3 is still Gnome. Both MATE and Cinnamon which came years
after Gnome 3 via Gnome-Shell, are reactionary for
On 02/05/2013 12:00 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
What's worse is that it's harder than it used to be to change the
desktop---desktop style is no longer a login-time selection.
It certainly is. Every login manager offers that
On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 at 11:13:48AM -0500, Pavel Simerda wrote:
I wouldn't ask specific people to actually work on it. But it would be
nice if the core developers provided more support, feature stability
and API stability. To ask them to actively encourage alternative GUIs
and allow them to be
On 02/05/2013 08:09 AM, Jef Spaleta wrote:
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:55 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote:
I disagree. Fedora's lack of popularity is largely thanks to these issues.
In this context, I feel the Cinnamon request rsp. the give users a choice
on DEs attempts are part of
On 02/05/2013 08:45 AM, drago01 wrote:
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote:
On 02/05/2013 07:42 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 07:19 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 02/05/2013 05:51 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at
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On 05/02/13 11:45, drago01 wrote:
For the new users:
There is no easy way to install applications (regular user don't
want to mess up with packages). We do not ship stuff that some user
want to use (by design or for legal reasons).
For the
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:02 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote:
Absolutely no.
My points are:
* The Gnome3-suite will never fit everybody, i.e. trying to push/force it
onto all users will never work and is not helpful to the Fedora community.
* Gnome3 is (ab-) using Fedora as
On 2013-02-05, 06:19 GMT, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
Reality is, when mentioning Fedora to Linux users, I am having
difficulties to not get laughed at. Freaks'/nerds' distro, Ubuntu
is much easier, Fedora lacks s much, Way too unstable, Way
too short life-cycles are the usual answers.
Good
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