Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-16 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 08:01:48PM -0600, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > > "NG" == Neal Gompa writes: > > NG> Most of these fonts look like they are licensed appropriately, the > NG> only problem is the Ubuntu fonts, which have been noted to have a > NG> non-free license[3] (unless someone

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-16 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "NG" == Neal Gompa writes: NG> Most of these fonts look like they are licensed appropriately, the NG> only problem is the Ubuntu fonts, which have been noted to have a NG> non-free license[3] (unless someone can get Canonical to fix it). I had a look at the license at

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-12 Thread Mark Otaris
That would be untrue. https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/freetype/freetype2.git/tree/src/smooth/ftsmooth.c?h=VER-2-8-1#n357 ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-12 Thread Kevin Kofler
Ahmad Samir wrote: > I've been using Harmony since 2.8.1, compiled locally. I didn't notice > the ftsmooth patch in 2.9, thanks for the hint, I'll look into that. > Although I have to saw I didn't notice any drastic changes between 2.8.1 > and 2.9 in Fedora, but I'll test disabling that patch all

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-12 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 11/11/2018 01:10 PM, Nikolaus Waxweiler wrote: > All I remember saying is that subpixel rendering is > not essential to getting nicely rendered fonts, as you can see in Qt5: > > https://i.postimg.cc/t4XnfGzt/Bildschirmfoto-vom-2018-11-11-11-45-41.png >

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-12 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 12/11/2018 03:35, Kevin Kofler wrote: Ahmad Samir wrote: Try setting the lcdfilter in your local fonts.conf ( ~/.config/fontconfing/fonts.conf); or better yet, try building freetype with the "spr" patch disabled. This way freetype will use Harmony (available since freetype 2.8.1 [2]), a

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-11 Thread Kevin Kofler
Ahmad Samir wrote: > Try setting the lcdfilter in your local fonts.conf ( > ~/.config/fontconfing/fonts.conf); or better yet, try building freetype > with the "spr" patch disabled. This way freetype will use Harmony > (available since freetype 2.8.1 [2]), a technique that offers LCD > rendering

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-11 Thread Tom Hughes
On 11/11/2018 19:31, Ahmad Samir wrote: On 11/11/2018 19:23, Tom Hughes wrote: [] That's interesting because I'm seeing the same thing in F29 but with vertical edges on a non-rotated display! I assumed it was related to subpixel antialiasing being enabled but turning that off doesn't seem

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-11 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 11/11/2018 19:23, Tom Hughes wrote: [] That's interesting because I'm seeing the same thing in F29 but with vertical edges on a non-rotated display! I assumed it was related to subpixel antialiasing being enabled but turning that off doesn't seem to help. I'd say it looks more blueish

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-11 Thread Kevin Kofler
Nikolaus Waxweiler wrote: > 2. The rest seems to be mostly boilerplate font replacements? Standard > stuff like Arial is already covered by fontconfig/Fedora defaults, other > replacements like Arial Black are not really replacements, but wholesale > changes. A replacement for a font family should

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-11 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2018-11-11 at 17:23 +, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 11/11/2018 17:16, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Fri, 2018-11-09 at 20:36 -0600, Martin Jackson wrote: > > > Hello everyone, and thanks to one and all for a remarkable distribution! > > > > > > With the coverage of the freeworld fontconfig

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-11 Thread Tom Hughes
On 11/11/2018 17:16, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2018-11-09 at 20:36 -0600, Martin Jackson wrote: Hello everyone, and thanks to one and all for a remarkable distribution! With the coverage of the freeworld fontconfig enhancements, I wonder if some of the configuration settings currently

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-11 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2018-11-09 at 20:36 -0600, Martin Jackson wrote: > Hello everyone, and thanks to one and all for a remarkable distribution! > > With the coverage of the freeworld fontconfig enhancements, I wonder if > some of the configuration settings currently implemented in >

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-11 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le dimanche 11 novembre 2018 à 12:10 +, Nikolaus Waxweiler a écrit : > > It's also technically (mostly) impossible because Windows and macOS do > correct font rendering (linear alpha blending and gamma correction to > various degrees) which on X11/Wayland currently only Qt5 does (see >

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-11 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le samedi 10 novembre 2018 à 17:57 -0500, Neal Gompa a écrit : > On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 5:43 PM wrote: > It's a lot less noticeable if > you're lucky enough to have a 4K display (which I do not). BTW, those have become pretty cheap last time I looked, some of them are cheaper than many FHD

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-11 Thread Nikolaus Waxweiler
I had a quick look at fedora-better-fonts and found this: 1. The defaults in https://github.com/silenc3r/fedora-better-fonts/blob/master/fontconfig-enhanced-defaults/19-enhanced-defaults.conf are redundant. Turning off the autohinter and selecting hintslight... will turn it back on :D The LCD

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-11 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le samedi 10 novembre 2018 à 17:03 -0500, Neal Gompa a écrit : Hi > Most of the defaults upstream are largely due to legal issues that are > no longer applicable. That’s a gross over simplification “render fonts like windows” has long been impossible for legal reasons, but “render fonts like

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-11 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le samedi 10 novembre 2018 à 16:43 -0600, mcatanz...@gnome.org a écrit : > > > > And Fedora is the only distribution I know of > > that actually actively maintains a very large fontconfig > > configuration > > for every single font. > > I wasn't aware of this? It's not large, fontconfig xml

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-10 Thread Andreas Tunek
On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 at 03:53, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Neal Gompa wrote: > > Unfortunately, a lot of text on the web renders really poorly without > > rgba subpixel rendering (aka ClearType). It's a lot less noticeable if > > you're lucky enough to have a 4K display (which I do not). > > I have a

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 9:53 PM Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Neal Gompa wrote: > > Unfortunately, a lot of text on the web renders really poorly without > > rgba subpixel rendering (aka ClearType). It's a lot less noticeable if > > you're lucky enough to have a 4K display (which I do not). > > I have

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-10 Thread Kevin Kofler
Neal Gompa wrote: > Unfortunately, a lot of text on the web renders really poorly without > rgba subpixel rendering (aka ClearType). It's a lot less noticeable if > you're lucky enough to have a 4K display (which I do not). I have a 1280×1024 LCD and I think subpixel rendering looks a lot sharper

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 5:43 PM wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 4:03 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > Most of the defaults upstream are largely due to legal issues that are no > longer applicable. > > > As of very recently, Marik did make one change: subpixel rendering is now > enabled by default

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-10 Thread mcatanzaro
On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 4:03 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: Most of the defaults upstream are largely due to legal issues that are no longer applicable. As of very recently, Marik did make one change: subpixel rendering is now enabled by default in Fedora's freetype package (if you have the latest

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 2:50 PM wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 8:57 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > Does anyone actually take care of our fonts stuff anymore? > > > Off the top of my head, there's Akira Tagoh covering fontconfig both upstream > and downstream, Marek Kasik covering freetype

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-10 Thread mcatanzaro
On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 8:57 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: Does anyone actually take care of our fonts stuff anymore? Off the top of my head, there's Akira Tagoh covering fontconfig both upstream and downstream, Marek Kasik covering freetype downstream, and Nikolaus Waxweiler handling freetype

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 7:58 AM Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le vendredi 09 novembre 2018 à 20:36 -0600, Martin Jackson a écrit : > > Hello everyone, and thanks to one and all for a remarkable > > distribution! > > > > With the coverage of the freeworld fontconfig enhancements, I wonder > > if > >

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-10 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le vendredi 09 novembre 2018 à 20:36 -0600, Martin Jackson a écrit : > Hello everyone, and thanks to one and all for a remarkable > distribution! > > With the coverage of the freeworld fontconfig enhancements, I wonder > if > some of the configuration settings currently implemented in >