Le mercredi 24 juillet 2013 à 15:11 -0700, Adam Williamson a écrit :
On Wed, 2013-07-24 at 16:50 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 07/24/2013 04:40 PM, inode0 wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
johan...@gmail.com wrote:
The entire budget is not public
On 07/26/2013 01:07 PM, Michael Scherer wrote:
Working in IT @Red Hat, I concur, and I am pretty sure that no one has
all the information to make that estimation. Network, hosting and
storage are all under different budgets for different team, and all
aggregated ( cause the DC where RH host
Le vendredi 26 juillet 2013 à 13:32 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson a
écrit :
On 07/26/2013 01:07 PM, Michael Scherer wrote:
Working in IT @Red Hat, I concur, and I am pretty sure that no one has
all the information to make that estimation. Network, hosting and
storage are all under
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 01:32:22PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
Fedora the project which means two entirely separated
infrastructures. yeah sure these two might be communicating heavily
between themselves unless ofcourse you want to risk issues from
either the company or the project
Am 26.07.2013 15:32, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
On 07/26/2013 01:07 PM, Michael Scherer wrote:
Working in IT @Red Hat, I concur, and I am pretty sure that no one has
all the information to make that estimation. Network, hosting and
storage are all under different budgets for different
On 07/25/2013 12:11 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2013-07-24 at 16:50 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 07/24/2013 04:40 PM, inode0 wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
johan...@gmail.com wrote:
The entire budget is not public so you won't get a definitive
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Brendan Jones
brendan.jones...@gmail.com wrote:
On 07/25/2013 12:11 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2013-07-24 at 16:50 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 07/24/2013 04:40 PM, inode0 wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:04 AM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Brendan Jones
brendan.jones...@gmail.com wrote:
On 07/25/2013 12:11 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2013-07-24 at 16:50 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 07/24/2013 04:40 PM, inode0
On Thu, 2013-07-25 at 10:07 +0200, Brendan Jones wrote:
On 07/25/2013 12:11 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2013-07-24 at 16:50 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 07/24/2013 04:40 PM, inode0 wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
johan...@gmail.com wrote:
On 24/07/13 11:50, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
Thought's comment flames?
To me, crowd sourcing seems to work because it's about some exciting new
technology that people have to have and it's the only way to have it.
There's a buzz, an excitement that needs to light up twitter in order to
get
On 07/24/2013 03:50 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
Earlier this evening I was asked how I expected Fedora to function in
any way similarly to how it does now without the backing of one or more
organizations like Red Hat.
I gave the quick answer through donations since I was not in mood to
On 07/24/2013 07:33 AM, Brendan Jones wrote:
On 07/24/2013 03:50 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
Earlier this evening I was asked how I expected Fedora to function in
any way similarly to how it does now without the backing of one or more
organizations like Red Hat.
I gave the quick answer
On 07/24/2013 07:33 AM, Brendan Jones wrote:
On 07/24/2013 03:50 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
Earlier this evening I was asked how I expected Fedora to function in
any way similarly to how it does now without the backing of one or more
organizations like Red Hat.
I gave the quick answer
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On 07/23/2013 09:50 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
Earlier this evening I was asked how I expected Fedora to function
in any way similarly to how it does now without the backing of one
or more organizations like Red Hat.
I gave the quick
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 01:50:11AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
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Obvious we cannot have crowd funding for every moving part in Fedora
that would just be ludicrous so we need to apply that concept upon
the entire project, as in Fedora would be just a one crowd founded
project.
snip
On 07/24/2013 11:35 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
While I*am* pleased that you've given some real thought to this, I
think you may have missed the real point I was trying to make there,
which also ties back to the original purpose of that thread.
Fedora is hemorrhaging users to other
On 07/24/2013 12:15 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 01:50:11AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
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Obvious we cannot have crowd funding for every moving part in Fedora
that would just be ludicrous so we need to apply that concept upon
the entire project, as in Fedora
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:37:09PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 07/24/2013 12:15 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 01:50:11AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
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Obvious we cannot have crowd funding for every moving part in Fedora
that would just be ludicrous
On 07/24/2013 12:49 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:37:09PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 07/24/2013 12:15 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 01:50:11AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
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Obvious we cannot have crowd funding for every
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On 07/24/2013 08:31 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 07/24/2013 11:35 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
While I *am* pleased that you've given some real thought to this,
I think you may have missed the real point I was trying to make
there, which
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com wrote:
Other for the fact that this would allow everyone to contribute to
the project not just Red Hat which in turn would make us less
depended on it ( or they spending money on us from their point of
view ).
My
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Darryl L. Pierce mcpie...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:37:09PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 07/24/2013 12:15 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 01:50:11AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
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Obvious we cannot have
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson píše v St 24. 07. 2013 v 10:01 +:
On 07/24/2013 07:33 AM, Brendan Jones wrote:
On 07/24/2013 03:50 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
Earlier this evening I was asked how I expected Fedora to function
in
any way similarly to how it does now without the
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com wrote:
My understanding is that Fedora is registered as a non-profit
organization in the United States which I believe allows for anyone to
donate to it *today* if they so chose. The fact that the only
donations we see are
On 07/24/2013 01:23 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
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On 07/24/2013 08:31 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 07/24/2013 11:35 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
While I *am* pleased that you've given some real thought to this,
I think you may have missed
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 09:05:40AM -0500, inode0 wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Darryl L. Pierce mcpie...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:37:09PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
We would need to form a financial sig that handles that.
Are these people going to be
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Darryl L. Pierce mcpie...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 09:05:40AM -0500, inode0 wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Darryl L. Pierce mcpie...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:37:09PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
We would need
On 07/24/2013 02:08 PM, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
But let me add a link to this discussion:
http://opensource.com/business/13/7/donations-open-source-projects
I think I've got some experience with how open source projects work and
there is a lot of truth in that article.
From an opensource
On 07/24/2013 02:13 PM, inode0 wrote:
Fedora is not any sort of legally recognized entity as far as I know.
And the fact that the vast majority of contributions are time rather
than money is because in order to contribute money requires one to
send a check made out to Red Hat and I don't think
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
johan...@gmail.com wrote:
On 07/24/2013 02:13 PM, inode0 wrote:
Fedora is not any sort of legally recognized entity as far as I know.
And the fact that the vast majority of contributions are time rather
than money is because in order to
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
johan...@gmail.com wrote:
I gave the quick answer through donations
Reading through this thread, it seems to me that you are wanting to
change something you don't understand.
While I am not a RH employee, I have been deeply involved in
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Martin Langhoff
martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
johan...@gmail.com wrote:
I as a donor donating $20 would like those to run to
$20? It's going to be a long road!
25,000 to 50,000 of those could get us
On 07/24/2013 03:24 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote:
The best I can suggest is: build that funding source, and get it to
grow to an important size_without_ messing with RH as a sponsor. The
cost of running Fedora is likely to be huge. Fundraising is incredibly
hard, and generally fails.
None ever
On 07/24/2013 03:47 PM, inode0 wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Martin Langhoff
martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
johan...@gmail.com wrote:
I as a donor donating $20 would like those to run to
$20? It's going to be a long road!
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 03:55:41PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 07/24/2013 03:47 PM, inode0 wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Martin Langhoff
martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
johan...@gmail.com wrote:
I as a donor
On 07/24/2013 04:01 PM, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 03:55:41PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 07/24/2013 03:47 PM, inode0 wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Martin Langhoff
martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
johan...@gmail.com wrote:
On 07/24/2013 04:01 PM, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 03:55:41PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 07/24/2013 03:47 PM, inode0 wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Martin Langhoff
On 07/24/2013 04:40 PM, inode0 wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
johan...@gmail.com wrote:
The entire budget is not public so you won't get a definitive answer
for a large portion of the budget.
Why is it not public any reason why we the community cannot know how
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
johan...@gmail.com wrote:
On 07/24/2013 04:40 PM, inode0 wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
johan...@gmail.com wrote:
The entire budget is not public so you won't get a definitive answer
for a large portion
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
johan...@gmail.com wrote:
The infrastructure cost ( with the exception of any paid manpower ) is what
sets the baseline for host/run and that cost is what would determine the
infra/hosting tax % or at least gives a number for a minimum we
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 07:35:42AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
Fedora is hemorrhaging users to other distributions (and to
closed-source platforms).
Do we actually know that this is the case?
The statistics wiki page does show a drop of total repository
connections around Fedora 15 but
On 07/24/2013 05:02 PM, Jef Spaleta wrote:
So all you can do is gather the core metrics for utility use...
cpu/band/storage... and with those metrics in hand price what it would
take to build and run a koji builder in the public cloud as a starting
point and plan your initial crowdsourcing
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
johan...@gmail.com wrote:
On 07/24/2013 05:02 PM, Jef Spaleta wrote:
So all you can do is gather the core metrics for utility use...
cpu/band/storage... and with those metrics in hand price what it would
take to build and run a koji
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
johan...@gmail.com wrote:
Agree that's one way of figuring out but ( share number of
servers/cpu/storage ) honestly i would have thought the infrastructure team
would already know this.
Well, luckily you never have to know everything
Le mardi 23 juillet 2013 à 21:03 -0500, Chris Adams a écrit :
You apparently don't want anyone who is working on Open Source as part
of any job (Red Hat or not) involved in the distribution you support
(since you said you don't value system admins fixing things while on the
clock the same
Le mercredi 24 juillet 2013 à 10:31 -0400, Darryl L. Pierce a écrit :
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 09:05:40AM -0500, inode0 wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Darryl L. Pierce mcpie...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:37:09PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
We would need
Le mercredi 24 juillet 2013 à 08:42 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson a
écrit :
On 07/24/2013 07:33 AM, Brendan Jones wrote:
On 07/24/2013 03:50 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
Earlier this evening I was asked how I expected Fedora to function in
any way similarly to how it does now without the
On Wed, 2013-07-24 at 16:50 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 07/24/2013 04:40 PM, inode0 wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
johan...@gmail.com wrote:
The entire budget is not public so you won't get a definitive answer
for a large portion of the budget.
You apparently don't want anyone who is working on Open Source as part
of any job (Red Hat or not) involved in the distribution you support
(since you said you don't value system admins fixing things while on the
clock the same either).
Here's one of Fedora's Core Values:
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