Re: Are open codecs accelerated on F37? - was: Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On 2022-11-16 00:22, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: To accelerate H.264/H.265, you need to... I'm aware.  My question was intended to be very specific to the statement made in Fedora's wiki with regard to open codecs like VP9 on AMD.  I've since updated the wiki.

Re: Are open codecs accelerated on F37? - was: Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On 11/16/22 3:18 AM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: Actually, it's either one or the other as they don't support the same CPUs. iHD driver is for Broadwell or newer CPUs, and the i915 is for older ones (Ice Lake is the first one it doesn't support). To be pedantic there is some overlap

Re: Are open codecs accelerated on F37? - was: Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 3:19 AM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski < domi...@greysector.net> wrote: > On Wednesday, 16 November 2022 at 09:22, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 15/11/2022 23:25, Gordon Messmer wrote: > > > I had thought that the Fedora 37 mesa packages retained accelerated > > >

Re: Are open codecs accelerated on F37? - was: Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Wednesday, 16 November 2022 at 09:22, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 15/11/2022 23:25, Gordon Messmer wrote: > > I had thought that the Fedora 37 mesa packages retained accelerated > > video for open codecs (for AMD hardware) > > To accelerate H.264/H.265, you need to replace the

Re: Are open codecs accelerated on F37? - was: Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On 15/11/2022 23:25, Gordon Messmer wrote: I had thought that the Fedora 37 mesa packages retained accelerated video for open codecs (for AMD hardware) To accelerate H.264/H.265, you need to replace the stripped Fedora versions with the full versions from the RPM Fusion repository: sudo dnf

Re: Are open codecs accelerated on F37? - was: Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Tue, Nov 15, 2022 at 7:52 PM Gordon Messmer wrote: > > On 2022-11-15 15:32, Neal Gompa wrote: > > This is not true. However, until recently, support for hardware > > accelerated open codecs was limited to Intel QuickSync Video, which is > > blocked on the VA-API driver landing in Fedora[1]. >

Re: Are open codecs accelerated on F37? - was: Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On 2022-11-15 15:32, Neal Gompa wrote: This is not true. However, until recently, support for hardware accelerated open codecs was limited to Intel QuickSync Video, which is blocked on the VA-API driver landing in Fedora[1]. AMD VP9 decoding was added in VCN 1.0: Sorry, I'm still not clear

Re: Are open codecs accelerated on F37? - was: Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Tue, Nov 15, 2022 at 5:27 PM Gordon Messmer wrote: > > After reading this thread and bz 2123998, I had thought that the Fedora > 37 mesa packages retained accelerated video for open codecs (for AMD > hardware). However, the Fedora wiki[1] indicates that even open codecs > are no longer

Are open codecs accelerated on F37? - was: Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

After reading this thread and bz 2123998, I had thought that the Fedora 37 mesa packages retained accelerated video for open codecs (for AMD hardware).  However, the Fedora wiki[1] indicates that even open codecs are no longer accelerated without third party packages.  Is that true?  (I don't

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

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Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Sun, Oct 09, 2022 at 10:25:08AM -, Daniel Rusek wrote: > Hello, > > Just a note. If someone from RPM Fusion who is interested in packaging > full mesa-va-drivers package reads this, please, make sure that the > package also contains valid AppStream metadata and is showing in GNOME >

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

It is just a simple, short xml file, not a big deal for maintainers, but actually quite a big deal for many end users. If anyone from RPM Fusion needs a help with this file, feel free to drop me a line. :-) ___ devel mailing list --

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

Because Fedora also targets regular users who are not experts and also because it would make it much easier for all users to find and install that package (for example by entering "h264" in GNOME Shell Overview on a RPM Fusion enabled system) instead of requiring them to search/install the

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Sun, 2022-10-09 at 10:25 +, Daniel Rusek wrote: > Hello, > > Just a note. If someone from RPM Fusion who is interested in > packaging full mesa-va-drivers package reads this, please, make sure > that the package also contains valid AppStream metadata and is > showing in GNOME Software /

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

Here is an example of the driver component AppStream metadata type: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/appstream/docs/sect-Metadata-Driver.html You can probably ignore the tag. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

Hello, Just a note. If someone from RPM Fusion who is interested in packaging full mesa-va-drivers package reads this, please, make sure that the package also contains valid AppStream metadata and is showing in GNOME Software / KDE Discover the same way as, for example, NVIDIA driver does. It

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On 2022-09-29 01:33, Leigh Scott wrote: On Wed, 2022-09-28 at 08:24 +0200, Neal Gompa wrote: That seems to contradict this quote from https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/linux-graphics-x-org-drivers/opengl...: it, also keeping the repo in sync with fedora isn't a priority for me. Someone

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Fri, 30 Sep 2022 22:19:44 +0200 Björn Persson wrote: > Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > > Considering that we have been shipping these hardware codec > > interfaces for years without any legal trouble, I find this > > absolutely ridiculous. > > The entire codec patent business is absolutely

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > Considering that we have been shipping these hardware codec interfaces for > years without any legal trouble, I find this absolutely ridiculous. The entire codec patent business is absolutely ridiculous. Such is the reality we must live in. Björn Persson

Re: OpenSSL and ECC patents (was Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1)

> On 29 Sep 2022, at 21:37, drago01 wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 28, 2022, Clemens Lang > wrote: > Hi, > > Michael J Gruber mailto:m...@fedoraproject.org>> > wrote: > > Understanding is helped greatly by communication, though. Legal answers > such as

Re: OpenSSL and ECC patents (was Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1)

On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 10:37 PM drago01 wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 28, 2022, Clemens Lang wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Michael J Gruber wrote: >> >>> Understanding is helped greatly by communication, though. Legal answers >>> such as "We can not" do not further this understanding, and

Re: OpenSSL and ECC patents (was Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1)

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022, Clemens Lang wrote: > Hi, > > Michael J Gruber wrote: > > Understanding is helped greatly by communication, though. Legal answers >> such as "We can not" do not further this understanding, and "We can not >> and we can not tell you why" is not much better, but

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 12:56 PM Kevin P. Fleming wrote: > > On 9/28/22 22:42, Gary Buhrmaster wrote: > > So, for CPU's with iGPUs sold retail to people > > like me, does Intel (and now including AMD) > > include the IP license? If not, how can I get one > > from Intel (who sold me a CPU/iGPU

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 19:24:34 +0200 Julian Sikorski wrote: > Wasn't this being used by firefox? > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Firefox_Hardware_acceleration I don't know if it is used, but I received messages from firefox nightly that VA-API support was missing when I ran it in the terminal

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Thu, Sep 29 2022 at 09:41:07 AM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: Could OpenH264 be hooked up to hardware acceleration somehow? A very interesting possibility. ;) It would certainly be nice to see OpenH264 get more development attention, to improve quality and implement new features like

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

Michael Catanzaro wrote: > In Fedora 38, we'll have a new service, > fedora-autofirstboot, that installs OpenH264 for you with no user > interaction Installing restrictively licensed stuff (see the patent license) with no user interaction is not really helpful. Kevin Kofler

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

Yeah same here. Worked for months to get video acceleration working on an nvidia card, then decided to switch to AMD, and now this. I get there's other codecs, but for the user who's been expressly needing those now-removed codecs finding out things no longer work is very annoying. Really

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 3:41 PM Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > > On 9/29/22 09:37, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 29 2022 at 08:12:10 AM -, James bond > > wrote: > >> I mean, what's next? > >> - Remove all torrent software, because it can be used to download... > >> Juridiction=IANAL,

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On 9/29/22 09:37, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Thu, Sep 29 2022 at 08:12:10 AM -, James bond > wrote: >> I mean, what's next? >> - Remove all torrent software, because it can be used to download... >> Juridiction=IANAL, Possibility >> - Use LibreKernel because... Juridiction = IANAL,

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

> On 29 Sep 2022, at 12:52, Tommy Nguyen wrote: > > > >> On Sep 29, 2022, at 7:36 AM, Kevin Kofler via devel >> wrote: >> >> Neal Gompa wrote: >>> Unfortunately, we have to be very careful to not provide a complete >>> codepath to these codecs to avoid legal risks. >> >> Considering that

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Thu, Sep 29 2022 at 08:12:10 AM -, James bond wrote: I mean, what's next? - Remove all torrent software, because it can be used to download... Juridiction=IANAL, Possibility - Use LibreKernel because... Juridiction = IANAL, Possibility - ... The difference is Fedora Legal is OK with

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On 9/28/22 22:42, Gary Buhrmaster wrote: So, for CPU's with iGPUs sold retail to people like me, does Intel (and now including AMD) include the IP license? If not, how can I get one from Intel (who sold me a CPU/iGPU that states it can decode the codecs in question)? To be pedantic... the CPU

Re: OpenSSL and ECC patents (was Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1)

Hi, Kevin Kofler wrote: Clemens Lang wrote: Note that we’re discussing moving openssl to a src-git approach, so it should eventually become much easier to see the relation between upstream code and our downstream copy. At that point, you have the patent-encumbered files in your (src-)git

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

> Lack of legal action is not evidence of no further legal action. There are > multiple > possible explanations: > > - they see no point because going after distros would waste time and money > and bring bad > PR > - going after Redhat who would assume liability is a different story as >

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

> Neal Gompa wrote: > > Considering that we have been shipping these hardware codec interfaces for > years without any legal trouble, I find this absolutely ridiculous. > > Kevin Kofler Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it can't. I found this link very informative on the

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

> On Sep 29, 2022, at 7:36 AM, Kevin Kofler via devel > wrote: > > Neal Gompa wrote: >> Unfortunately, we have to be very careful to not provide a complete >> codepath to these codecs to avoid legal risks. > > Considering that we have been shipping these hardware codec interfaces for >

Re: OpenSSL and ECC patents (was Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1)

Clemens Lang wrote: > Note that we’re discussing moving openssl to a src-git approach, so it > should eventually become much easier to see the relation between upstream > code and our downstream copy. At that point, you have the patent-encumbered files in your (src-)git history. I do not think

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

Neal Gompa wrote: > Unfortunately, we have to be very careful to not provide a complete > codepath to these codecs to avoid legal risks. Considering that we have been shipping these hardware codec interfaces for years without any legal trouble, I find this absolutely ridiculous. Kevin

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

> On Wed, 2022-09-28 at 08:24 +0200, Neal Gompa wrote: > > That seems to contradict this quote from > https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/linux-graphics-x-org-drivers/opengl...: > > it, also keeping the repo in sync with fedora isn't a priority for me. Someone with the hardware and packaging

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Thu, 2022-09-29 at 08:12 +, James bond wrote: > (This is a sad noob user rant, please bear me. And sorry in advance > for 'whataboutism'.) > > IANAL but this is a horrible idea. > > It's like parents turning off the internet entirely WiFi because the > kid can't be able to watch 'bad'

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

(This is a sad noob user rant, please bear me. And sorry in advance for 'whataboutism'.) IANAL but this is a horrible idea. It's like parents turning off the internet entirely WiFi because the kid can't be able to watch 'bad' videos. Technically, it solves parents' problems but hampers the

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 4:43 AM Gary Buhrmaster wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 8:06 PM David Airlie wrote: > > > Think of it like a jigsaw puzzle, where the person who places the last > > piece in the puzzle pays the license. But then stop thinking of it > > like that and just assume it's a

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 8:06 PM David Airlie wrote: > Think of it like a jigsaw puzzle, where the person who places the last > piece in the puzzle pays the license. But then stop thinking of it > like that and just assume it's a lot vaguer and way more legally > involved than that. So, for

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On 9/28/22 6:45 PM, David Airlie wrote: Please take a look at the rawhide changes I just pushed. This should split things out sufficiently. Thanks, Dave. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

Nope the _video.so files are the vaapi ones. Replacing that package with rpmfusion built should work fine. On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 10:26 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 1:46 AM David Airlie wrote: > > > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 4:30 PM Nicolas Chauvet wrote: > > > > > > Le

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 1:46 AM David Airlie wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 4:30 PM Nicolas Chauvet wrote: > > > > Le mar. 27 sept. 2022 à 20:57, David Airlie a écrit : > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 4:02 AM Frantisek Zatloukal > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > since

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 4:30 PM Nicolas Chauvet wrote: > > Le mar. 27 sept. 2022 à 20:57, David Airlie a écrit : > > > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 4:02 AM Frantisek Zatloukal > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > since this mesa change ( > > >

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

> On 28 Sep 2022, at 19:40, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 7:48 PM Simon Farnsworth via devel > mailto:devel@lists.fedoraproject.org>> wrote: >> >>> On 28 Sep 2022, at 14:27, Neal Gompa wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 3:22 PM Ian Pilcher wrote: On 9/28/22

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 7:48 PM Simon Farnsworth via devel wrote: > > > On 28 Sep 2022, at 14:27, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 3:22 PM Ian Pilcher wrote: > >> > >> On 9/28/22 03:50, Tommy Nguyen wrote: > >>> This change will only affect AMD, as the intel non-free drivers do

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

> On 28 Sep 2022, at 14:27, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 3:22 PM Ian Pilcher wrote: >> >> On 9/28/22 03:50, Tommy Nguyen wrote: >>> This change will only affect AMD, as the intel non-free drivers do not >>> depend on the changes. It is also unclear how this would affect

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

Am 28.09.22 um 15:27 schrieb Neal Gompa: On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 3:22 PM Ian Pilcher wrote: On 9/28/22 03:50, Tommy Nguyen wrote: This change will only affect AMD, as the intel non-free drivers do not depend on the changes. It is also unclear how this would affect nvidia. There is barely any

Re: OpenSSL and ECC patents (was Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1)

On 9/28/22 08:21, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 1:15 PM Michael J Gruber > wrote: >> >> As Fedora users and contributors, we profit a lot from everything that >> RedHat provides to the Fedora project, be it infra, people-power or >> "leverage" (talking to vendors etc.). In turn,

Re: OpenSSL and ECC patents (was Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1)

Hey, on a related note... I'm applying for a position as a Open source license compliance analyst (amazing!) and I would be eager to learn more about how we do things in Fedora. If I get the gig, I will even be able to contribute some time to the effort. -Blaise On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 8:49 AM

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Wed, Sep 28 2022 at 06:49:42 AM +, Tommy Nguyen wrote: With a single maintainer introducing a ffmpeg-free binary packages into Fedora, competing with our fully featured ffmpeg build, this leads to various conflicts and interactions issues. While one could admittedly rejoice

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 3:22 PM Ian Pilcher wrote: > > On 9/28/22 03:50, Tommy Nguyen wrote: > > This change will only affect AMD, as the intel non-free drivers do not > > depend on the changes. It is also unclear how this would affect nvidia. > > There is barely any hardware video acceleration

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On 9/28/22 03:50, Tommy Nguyen wrote: This change will only affect AMD, as the intel non-free drivers do not depend on the changes. It is also unclear how this would affect nvidia. There is barely any hardware video acceleration support for nouveau anyway, for which you would install the

Re: OpenSSL and ECC patents (was Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1)

On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 2:41 PM Michael J Gruber wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 1:15 PM Michael J Gruber > > > > > Let's talk for a moment here about this. I'm going to give you some > > "inside baseball" (or at least as much as I can). I can tell you up > > front that ffmpeg in Fedora is

Re: OpenSSL and ECC patents (was Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1)

> On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 1:15 PM Michael J Gruber wrote: > > Let's talk for a moment here about this. I'm going to give you some > "inside baseball" (or at least as much as I can). I can tell you up > front that ffmpeg in Fedora is *entirely* my fault. Thanks for the inside view. Please note

Re: OpenSSL and ECC patents (was Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1)

> As one of the people that has previously generated one of the hobbled > tarballs you consider a potential trust issue: The hobbled tarball is the > upstream tarball for the particular release we ship after we extract it, run > ./hobble-openssl (which you’ll find in the package) and repack it. >

Re: OpenSSL and ECC patents (was Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1)

On Wed, 2022-09-28 at 14:21 +0200, Neal Gompa wrote: > I'm (personally, though IANAL) of the opinion that the hobbling of > crypto libraries is probably no longer necessary and can be retired > entirely. The method of producing the stripped sources is > reproducible, so from our guidelines

Re: OpenSSL and ECC patents (was Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1)

On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 1:15 PM Michael J Gruber wrote: > > As Fedora users and contributors, we profit a lot from everything that RedHat > provides to the Fedora project, be it infra, people-power or "leverage" > (talking to vendors etc.). In turn, RedHat can expect a certain amount of >

Re: OpenSSL and ECC patents (was Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1)

Hi, Michael J Gruber wrote: Understanding is helped greatly by communication, though. Legal answers such as "We can not" do not further this understanding, and "We can not and we can not tell you why" is not much better, but these are the typical answer we get, not even with a "sorry, but we

Re: OpenSSL and ECC patents (was Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1)

> Note that depending on the legal outcome mesa might have to go the hobbled > route, too: > simply disabling the codecs in %build does not change anything about > redistributing the > source. ... or may not, if it's only about the hardware implementation, in which case I would suggest merely

Re: OpenSSL and ECC patents (was Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1)

As Fedora users and contributors, we profit a lot from everything that RedHat provides to the Fedora project, be it infra, people-power or "leverage" (talking to vendors etc.). In turn, RedHat can expect a certain amount of understanding from "us" for their business interests, which include

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Wed, 2022-09-28 at 15:11 +0800, yanqiy...@gmail.com wrote: > I would be very SAD if this change lands on my computer. While > instead > of arguing with some legal puzzles, I think those parts can be > provided > by seperate package (and maybe packaged in rpmfusion?) like intel- >

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 8:50 AM Tommy Nguyen wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2022-09-28 at 08:40 +0200, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 8:38 AM Tommy Nguyen > > wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, 2022-09-28 at 08:24 +0200, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > As one of the ffmpeg maintainers, I'm actively

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

I would be very SAD if this change lands on my computer. While instead of arguing with some legal puzzles, I think those parts can be provided by seperate package (and maybe packaged in rpmfusion?) like intel- media-driver.  Is there any build-to-build ABI match requirement between the VAAPI

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Wed, 2022-09-28 at 08:40 +0200, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 8:38 AM Tommy Nguyen > wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2022-09-28 at 08:24 +0200, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > As one of the ffmpeg maintainers, I'm actively working on > > > workarounds > > > for the problem. And I've talked to

Re: OpenSSL and ECC patents (was Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1)

On Tue, 2022-09-27 at 23:39 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2022-09-28 at 08:11 +0200, Julian Sikorski wrote: > > Recently, I experienced that the German AusweisApp, which already > > required entering the ID card PIN on the phone [1], has stopped working > > altogether [2]. This is due

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 8:38 AM Tommy Nguyen wrote: > > On Wed, 2022-09-28 at 08:24 +0200, Neal Gompa wrote: > > As one of the ffmpeg maintainers, I'm actively working on workarounds > > for the problem. And I've talked to my counterparts in RPM Fusion > > about the issue as well. We're all

OpenSSL and ECC patents (was Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1)

On Wed, 2022-09-28 at 08:11 +0200, Julian Sikorski wrote: > Recently, I experienced that the German AusweisApp, which already > required entering the ID card PIN on the phone [1], has stopped working > altogether [2]. This is due to hobbled openssl Fedora ships. There is no > openssl-freeworld

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Wed, 2022-09-28 at 08:24 +0200, Neal Gompa wrote: > As one of the ffmpeg maintainers, I'm actively working on workarounds > for the problem. And I've talked to my counterparts in RPM Fusion > about the issue as well. We're all trying to figure this out. That seems to contradict this quote from

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

Le mar. 27 sept. 2022 à 20:57, David Airlie a écrit : > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 4:02 AM Frantisek Zatloukal > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > since this mesa change ( > > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/mesa/c/94ef544b3f2125912dfbff4c6ef373fe49806b52?branch=rawhide > > ) in F37 and rawhide,

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 8:12 AM Julian Sikorski wrote: > > Am 27.09.22 um 20:01 schrieb Frantisek Zatloukal: > > Hi, > > > > since this mesa change ( > > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/mesa/c/94ef544b3f2125912dfbff4c6ef373fe49806b52?branch=rawhide > > > >

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

Am 27.09.22 um 20:01 schrieb Frantisek Zatloukal: Hi, since this mesa change ( https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/mesa/c/94ef544b3f2125912dfbff4c6ef373fe49806b52?branch=rawhide ) in F37 and

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

It's very disappointing that Fedora will now be permanently crippled for a huge amount of video content. If Red Hat is largely alone in believing that this a credible legal risk, then ultimately this change will reflect poorly on the distribution regardless of any articles written. I hope this

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 5:53 AM Michael Cronenworth wrote: > > On 9/27/22 2:36 PM, David Airlie wrote: > > The implicit IANAL is very clear here. > > I wish you had started the discussion the legal list yourself prior to the > git commit. > > A certain website that monitors this mailing list is

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 9:53 PM Michael Cronenworth wrote: > > On 9/27/22 2:36 PM, David Airlie wrote: > > The implicit IANAL is very clear here. > > I wish you had started the discussion the legal list yourself prior to the > git commit. > > A certain website that monitors this mailing list is

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On 9/27/22 2:36 PM, David Airlie wrote: The implicit IANAL is very clear here. I wish you had started the discussion the legal list yourself prior to the git commit. A certain website that monitors this mailing list is probably already preparing to post how Fedora 37 is no longer going to

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 05:36:01 +1000 David Airlie wrote: > On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 5:34 AM Michael Cronenworth wrote: > > > > On 9/27/22 1:56 PM, David Airlie wrote: > > > The patent licensing around H264/H265 is such that providing this > > > could leave Red Hat and other Fedora distributors

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 5:34 AM Michael Cronenworth wrote: > > On 9/27/22 1:56 PM, David Airlie wrote: > > The patent licensing around H264/H265 is such that providing this > > could leave Red Hat and other Fedora distributors exposed to legal > > problems. > > How is Mesa violating H264/H265

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 5:11 AM Chris Adams wrote: > > Once upon a time, David Airlie said: > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 4:02 AM Frantisek Zatloukal > > wrote: > > > since this mesa change ( > > > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/mesa/c/94ef544b3f2125912dfbff4c6ef373fe49806b52?branch=rawhide

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On 9/27/22 1:56 PM, David Airlie wrote: The patent licensing around H264/H265 is such that providing this could leave Red Hat and other Fedora distributors exposed to legal problems. How is Mesa violating H264/H265 patents? Mesa wasn't performing any patented functionality. If simply

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 8:11 PM Chris Adams wrote: > > Once upon a time, David Airlie said: > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 4:02 AM Frantisek Zatloukal > > wrote: > > > since this mesa change ( > > > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/mesa/c/94ef544b3f2125912dfbff4c6ef373fe49806b52?branch=rawhide

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

Once upon a time, David Airlie said: > On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 4:02 AM Frantisek Zatloukal > wrote: > > since this mesa change ( > > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/mesa/c/94ef544b3f2125912dfbff4c6ef373fe49806b52?branch=rawhide > > ) in F37 and rawhide, the mesa package lost support for

Re: Mesa in F37- vaapi support disabled for h264/h265/vc1

On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 4:02 AM Frantisek Zatloukal wrote: > > Hi, > > since this mesa change ( > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/mesa/c/94ef544b3f2125912dfbff4c6ef373fe49806b52?branch=rawhide > ) in F37 and rawhide, the mesa package lost support for vaapi accelerated > encoding and