Re: Policy for Modules in Fedora and Fedora ELN - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-24 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 24. 07. 20 18:06, Neal Gompa wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 12:05 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: On 24. 07. 20 16:19, Vít Ondruch wrote: In this context, I'd be more than happy if the documentation discouraged use of the default streams. Something along these lines: "Modularity have default

Re: Policy for Modules in Fedora and Fedora ELN - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-24 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 12:05 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 24. 07. 20 16:19, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > In this context, I'd be more than happy if the documentation discouraged > > use of the default streams. Something along these lines: "Modularity > > have default stream feature, but use it with

Re: Policy for Modules in Fedora and Fedora ELN - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-24 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 24. 07. 20 16:19, Vít Ondruch wrote: In this context, I'd be more than happy if the documentation discouraged use of the default streams. Something along these lines: "Modularity have default stream feature, but use it with caution only if you know what you do and what is the impact." In

Re: Policy for Modules in Fedora and Fedora ELN - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-24 Thread Vít Ondruch
Just FTR, I don't think I am going to reveal too much saying that for RHEL9, the sentiment is (at least in the context of Ruby, Node.js and Python) that we are very likely not going to use default streams. Plain old RPMs do mostly the same job. In this context, I'd be more than happy if the

Re: Policy for Modules in Fedora and Fedora ELN - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-23 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 11:01 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 10:56 AM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > > > On 23. 07. 20 16:53, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > > On 23. 07. 20 16:26, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > >> I like Neal's proposal of "Fedora ELN may use default streams at this > > >>

Re: Policy for Modules in Fedora and Fedora ELN - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-23 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 10:56 AM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 23. 07. 20 16:53, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 23. 07. 20 16:26, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > >> I like Neal's proposal of "Fedora ELN may use default streams at this > >> time, and default streams for ELN [...] are delegated to the ELN SIG

Re: Policy for Modules in Fedora and Fedora ELN - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-23 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 23. 07. 20 16:53, Miro Hrončok wrote: On 23. 07. 20 16:26, Stephen Gallagher wrote: I like Neal's proposal of "Fedora ELN may use default streams at this time, and default streams for ELN [...] are delegated to the ELN SIG with a report for review by FESCo on the progress of using modularity

Re: Policy for Modules in Fedora and Fedora ELN - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-23 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 23. 07. 20 16:26, Stephen Gallagher wrote: I like Neal's proposal of "Fedora ELN may use default streams at this time, and default streams for ELN [...] are delegated to the ELN SIG with a report for review by FESCo on the progress of using modularity technology in this manner" in the FESCo

Re: Policy for Modules in Fedora and Fedora ELN - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-23 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:26 AM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 22. 07. 20 14:53, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 7:28 AM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > ... > >> As said in the modularity docs PR (but I cannot find it now, because > >> pagure.io > >> is down), I am not sure what is the

Re: Policy for Modules in Fedora and Fedora ELN - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-23 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:30 AM Remi Collet wrote: > > Le 09/07/2020 à 20:00, Ben Cotton a écrit : > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ModularPolicy > > > There is a preview of the new policy available at > > https://sgallagh.fedorapeople.org/docs/modularity/modularity/policies/ > > > I

Re: Policy for Modules in Fedora and Fedora ELN - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-23 Thread Ben Cotton
On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:15 AM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > But I think it should be voted at FESCo after a week? The change process is > vague here, because it only says "no sooner than a week". Ben? > Huh. I have no idea how this slipped through the several places I should have noticed it, but I

Re: Policy for Modules in Fedora and Fedora ELN - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-23 Thread Petr Pisar
On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 11:29:17AM +0200, Remi Collet wrote: > Le 09/07/2020 à 20:00, Ben Cotton a écrit : > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ModularPolicy > > > There is a preview of the new policy available at > > https://sgallagh.fedorapeople.org/docs/modularity/modularity/policies/ >

Re: Policy for Modules in Fedora and Fedora ELN - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-23 Thread Remi Collet
Le 09/07/2020 à 20:00, Ben Cotton a écrit : > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ModularPolicy > There is a preview of the new policy available at > https://sgallagh.fedorapeople.org/docs/modularity/modularity/policies/ I think this part may be confusing Packages provided at runtime by the

Re: Policy for Modules in Fedora and Fedora ELN - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-23 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 22. 07. 20 14:53, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 7:28 AM Miro Hrončok wrote: ... As said in the modularity docs PR (but I cannot find it now, because pagure.io is down), I am not sure what is the outcome wrt default streams. Default streams are not allowed now. If this

Re: Policy for Modules in Fedora and Fedora ELN - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-23 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 23. 07. 20 10:10, Fabio Valentini wrote: Is this supposed to be voted on by FESCo? The Wiki page was moved into the "ChangeAnnounced" category but I don't seem to find either a FESCo ticket, and I don't remember voting on it, or an announcement. ChangeAnnounced is for the mailing list

Re: Policy for Modules in Fedora and Fedora ELN - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-23 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 8:01 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ModularPolicy > > == Summary == > Establish a set of rules for Modular content in Fedora to ensure an > optimal user and packager experience. > > == Owner == > * Name: [[User:Sgallagh| Stephen Gallagher]]

Re: Policy for Modules in Fedora and Fedora ELN - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-22 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 22. 07. 20 v 14:55 Stephen Gallagher napsal(a): > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 1:06 PM Vít Ondruch wrote: >> Is this just about the specific URL or also about the "Naming Policy"? > The Naming Policy is not currently under discussion in this proposal. > Only the URL provided in the Change

Re: Policy for Modules in Fedora and Fedora ELN - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-22 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 1:06 PM Vít Ondruch wrote: > > Is this just about the specific URL or also about the "Naming Policy"? The Naming Policy is not currently under discussion in this proposal. Only the URL provided in the Change Proposal is applicable right now. If you want to submit a

Re: Policy for Modules in Fedora and Fedora ELN - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-22 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 7:28 AM Miro Hrončok wrote: ... > As said in the modularity docs PR (but I cannot find it now, because pagure.io > is down), I am not sure what is the outcome wrt default streams. Default > streams > are not allowed now. If this change proposal and the policy is approved,

Re: Policy for Modules in Fedora and Fedora ELN - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-13 Thread Vít Ondruch
Is this just about the specific URL or also about the "Naming Policy"? I am asking, because I already had a lot of arguments about the branching on this list and various different places but this guideline still insist that "using upstream major versions as branches is recommended". This is not

Re: Policy for Modules in Fedora and Fedora ELN - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-10 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 09. 07. 20 20:00, Ben Cotton wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ModularPolicy == Summary == Establish a set of rules for Modular content in Fedora to ensure an optimal user and packager experience. == Owner == * Name: [[User:Sgallagh| Stephen Gallagher]] *