Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-14 Thread Rave it
Message: 13 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 03:35:50 +0200 From: Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum Message-ID: mghqtm$lq9$2...@ger.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Kevin Fenzi wrote: * dnf-yum

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-14 Thread Radek Holy
- Original Message - From: Pete Travis li...@petetravis.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 5:18:15 PM Subject: Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum On Apr 13, 2015 5:07 AM, Radek Holy rh...@redhat.com wrote

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-14 Thread Pete Travis
On Apr 13, 2015 5:07 AM, Radek Holy rh...@redhat.com wrote: From: Pete Travis li...@petetravis.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 5:31:08 PM Subject: Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-14 Thread Radek Holy
- Original Message - From: Rave it chat-to...@raveit.de To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 12:45:41 PM Subject: Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum Message: 13 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 03:35:50 +0200 From: Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at To: devel

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-13 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Mon, 2015-04-13 at 10:43 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Mon, 2015-04-13 at 08:47 +0200, Mathieu Bridon wrote: Le dimanche 12 avril 2015 à 17:06 -0700, Adam Williamson a écrit : It's hard to see how you build a perfect dep check other than trying to solve the deps of *every

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Kevin Fenzi wrote: * dnf-yum is installed by default. By that I mean it is in the 'core' group in comps next to dnf. [snip] * If you wish to still use yum, the yum package provides now a /usr/bin/yum-deprecated command that is the old yum command renamed. It also has the notice message

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2015-04-13 at 08:47 +0200, Mathieu Bridon wrote: Le dimanche 12 avril 2015 à 17:06 -0700, Adam Williamson a écrit : It's hard to see how you build a perfect dep check other than trying to solve the deps of *every single package in the distro* against every proposed update.

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-13 Thread Jan Zelený
On 10. 4. 2015 at 17:50:08, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 10.04.2015 um 17:48 schrieb Marcin Juszkiewicz: W dniu 10.04.2015 o 16:29, Reindl Harald pisze: well, that so called crap was in the past helpful to find out *which* package pulls a cross-dep-chain while in the past 2 years yum also more

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-13 Thread Mathieu Bridon
Le dimanche 12 avril 2015 à 17:06 -0700, Adam Williamson a écrit : It's hard to see how you build a perfect dep check other than trying to solve the deps of *every single package in the distro* against every proposed update. Can't we run repoclosure on (at the same time) the fedora repo,

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.04.2015 um 10:00 schrieb Jan Zelený: We are talking about information that is irrelevant in 90+% of yum runs (allegedly, I wouldn't dare estimating this number myself). Hiding such information by default while making it available to people who really care about it sounds like a nice

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-13 Thread Tim Lauridsen
On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 at 10:22 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net Now, I admit that the second half is limping a bit. The information is available but it's not as easily accessible as you want it to be. If you want to help us, I invite you to write a plugin that will show the information

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-13 Thread Jan Zelený
On 10. 4. 2015 at 16:21:14, Michael Schroeder wrote: On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 03:52:32PM +0200, Jan Zelený wrote: I've been using just `dnf update` to update my system for almost a year now and there is not a single package on my system that is not updated to the latest version in the

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-13 Thread Radek Holy
- Original Message - From: Pete Travis li...@petetravis.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 5:31:08 PM Subject: Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum On Apr 10, 2015 4:39 AM, Radek Holy rh...@redhat.com wrote

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2015-04-08 at 14:56 +0200, drago01 wrote: It is not so simple, you have to test all combinations for packages requiring an updated package and all the packages there requires someting provided by previous version of the package, with thousend of packages and multiple

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-09 Thread Björn Persson
Jan Zelený jzel...@redhat.com wrote: On 7. 4. 2015 at 18:34:49, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Pardon, folks - But haven't we been told dnf was supposed to be yum compatible? I'm afraid not. From the very beginning, we were sending a clear message that we will be as compatible as possible in

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-09 Thread Michal Luscon
On 04/09/2015 05:01 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: Using metadata from Fri Apr 3 03:24:08 2015 ^^^ the key part of DNF output -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct:

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-09 Thread Tom Hughes
On 09/04/15 10:30, Radek Holy wrote: On Wed, Apr 08, 2015 at 08:22:53 -0400, Radek Holy rh...@redhat.com wrote: AFAIK, YUM's --skip-broken does two things: 1) it selects another version of the requested package if the most suitable cannot be installed 2) it skips the requested package if

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-09 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 04/08/2015 02:32 AM, Jan Zelený wrote I'm afraid not. From the very beginning, we were sending a clear message that we will be as compatible as possible in terms of CLI but we never wanted to have just another yum. If that was the case, we wouldn't call the project differently. I am concerned

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-09 Thread Tom Hughes
On 09/04/15 11:10, Tom Hughes wrote: On 09/04/15 10:30, Radek Holy wrote: On Wed, Apr 08, 2015 at 08:22:53 -0400, Radek Holy rh...@redhat.com wrote: AFAIK, YUM's --skip-broken does two things: 1) it selects another version of the requested package if the most suitable cannot be installed

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-09 Thread Michael Šimáček
On 2015-04-08 11:17, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: W dniu 08.04.2015 o 11:05, drago01 pisze: We do have dep solvers otherwise no one would notice that a dep is broken ever. (like libsolv + hawkey). So what bodhi should do is to ask has this package all dependencies satisfied with base + updates +

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-09 Thread Radek Holy
- Original Message - From: Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@nist.gov To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2015 5:01:19 PM Subject: Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum On 04/08/2015 02:32 AM, Jan Zelený wrote I'm afraid not. From the very beginning, we were

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-09 Thread Radek Holy
- Original Message - From: Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to To: Radek Holy rh...@redhat.com Cc: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 5:03:46 PM Subject: Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum On Wed, Apr 08, 2015 at 08

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-09 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 04/09/2015 11:05 AM, Michal Luscon wrote: On 04/09/2015 05:01 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: Using metadata from Fri Apr 3 03:24:08 2015 ^^^ the key part of DNF output Well, OK, but when I just re-run 'dnf update' it updates firefox now: Using metadata from Fri Apr 3 03:24:08 2015

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-09 Thread Radek Holy
- Original Message - From: Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@nist.gov To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2015 5:13:49 PM Subject: Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum On 04/09/2015 11:05 AM, Michal Luscon wrote: On 04/09/2015 05:01 PM, Przemek Klosowski

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.04.2015 um 17:01 schrieb Przemek Klosowski: On 04/08/2015 02:32 AM, Jan Zelený wrote I'm afraid not. From the very beginning, we were sending a clear message that we will be as compatible as possible in terms of CLI but we never wanted to have just another yum. If that was the case, we

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Jan Zelený
On 7. 4. 2015 at 18:34:49, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 04/07/2015 06:09 PM, Tim Lauridsen wrote: On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 at 17:54 Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to mailto:br...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 09:07:08 -0600, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Jan Zelený
On 7. 4. 2015 at 17:53:42, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 04/07/2015 05:07 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 08:38:57 -0500 Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 10:22:25 -0300, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade paulo.cesar.pereira.de.andr...@gmail.com

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Tim Lauridsen
On Wed, 8 Apr 2015 at 11:05 drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Adam Williamson adamw...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, 2015-04-07 at 18:33 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
W dniu 08.04.2015 o 11:05, drago01 pisze: We do have dep solvers otherwise no one would notice that a dep is broken ever. (like libsolv + hawkey). So what bodhi should do is to ask has this package all dependencies satisfied with base + updates + other packages in this push for every package

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Radek Holy
- Original Message - From: Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 5:51:41 PM Subject: Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 09:07:08 -0600, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: dnf's default behavior

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.04.2015 um 08:41 schrieb Jan Zelený: On 7. 4. 2015 at 17:53:42, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 04/07/2015 05:07 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 08:38:57 -0500 Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 10:22:25 -0300, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Richard Hughes
On 7 April 2015 at 17:37, Adam Williamson adamw...@fedoraproject.org wrote: This is easier said than done. We don't have a perfect dependency checker and it's not at all easy to write one. From someone that's actually written a yum-compatible dependency checker in C several years ago[1] I can

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 8.4.2015 v 08:41 Jan Zelený napsal(a): On 7. 4. 2015 at 17:53:42, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 04/07/2015 05:07 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 08:38:57 -0500 Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 10:22:25 -0300, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 04/08/2015 08:39 AM, Jan Zelený wrote: On 8. 4. 2015 at 10:26:51, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 08.04.2015 um 08:41 schrieb Jan Zelený: Putting the opinion of myself and the dnf team aside, I'd like to point out that the information you want is still available - dnf check-update will show you

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Michal Schmidt
On 04/08/2015 08:41 AM, Jan Zelený wrote: On 7. 4. 2015 at 17:53:42, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 04/07/2015 05:07 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: dnf's default behavior is like yum with --skip-broken already. WHAT? --skip-broken is a band-aid to work around packaging mistakes and bugs and NOT be the

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread drago01
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Tim Lauridsen tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 8 Apr 2015 at 11:05 drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Adam Williamson adamw...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, 2015-04-07 at 18:33 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Apr 7,

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Jan Zelený
On 8. 4. 2015 at 11:05:20, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Adam Williamson adamw...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, 2015-04-07 at 18:33 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 07.04.2015 um 17:53

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Jan Zelený
On 8. 4. 2015 at 14:44:25, Michal Schmidt wrote: On 04/08/2015 08:41 AM, Jan Zelený wrote: On 7. 4. 2015 at 17:53:42, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 04/07/2015 05:07 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: dnf's default behavior is like yum with --skip-broken already. WHAT? --skip-broken is a band-aid

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Jan Zelený
On 8. 4. 2015 at 10:26:51, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 08.04.2015 um 08:41 schrieb Jan Zelený: On 7. 4. 2015 at 17:53:42, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 04/07/2015 05:07 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 08:38:57 -0500 Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.04.2015 um 14:39 schrieb Jan Zelený: On 8. 4. 2015 at 10:26:51, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 08.04.2015 um 08:41 schrieb Jan Zelený: Putting the opinion of myself and the dnf team aside, I'd like to point out that the information you want is still available - dnf check-update will show you

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Apr 08, 2015 at 08:22:53 -0400, Radek Holy rh...@redhat.com wrote: AFAIK, YUM's --skip-broken does two things: 1) it selects another version of the requested package if the most suitable cannot be installed 2) it skips the requested package if none of its versions can be installed

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-08 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
MJ == Marcin Juszkiewicz mjuszkiew...@redhat.com writes: MJ When I was Debian/Ubuntu developer it was easy. Pbuilder had hooks MJ and one of them in my setup was once built, install all resulting MJ packages. MJ This way as a developer I could check are results usable. Not found MJ something

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Jan Zelený
On 3. 4. 2015 at 08:34:16, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: There's some confusion around this, so I thought I would post to try and clear up things. In the event I am wrong on any of the below, please do feel free to correct me. ;)

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 08:38:57 -0500 Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 10:22:25 -0300, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade paulo.cesar.pereira.de.andr...@gmail.com wrote: I had also switched back to yum in rawhide due to --skip-broken, and in a few updates not

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
2015-04-07 9:53 GMT-03:00 Jan Zelený jzel...@redhat.com: [...] I think you might have misunderstood what's happening. We don't want to offer Hopefully I did not :) dnf as an alternative to yum. Dnf is its successor. Yum is deprecated by dnf in F22 and is very likely going to be removed in

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 10:22:25 -0300, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade paulo.cesar.pereira.de.andr...@gmail.com wrote: I had also switched back to yum in rawhide due to --skip-broken, and in a few updates not even needing it (I would first see what is broken, and if not something vital, use

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2015 um 15:22 schrieb Paulo =?iso-8859-1?b?Q+lzYXI=?= Pereira de Andrade =?us-ascii?q?=3Cpaulo=2Ecesar=2Epereira=2Ede=2Eandrade=40gmail=2E?= =?us-ascii?q?com=3E?=: 2015-04-07 9:53 GMT-03:00 Jan Zelený jzel...@redhat.com: [...] I think you might have misunderstood what's happening.

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2015 um 17:53 schrieb Ralf Corsepius: On 04/07/2015 05:07 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: dnf's default behavior is like yum with --skip-broken already. WHAT? --skip-broken is a band-aid to work around packaging mistakes and bugs and NOT be the default. IMO, this kind of behavior is not

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 04/07/2015 06:09 PM, Tim Lauridsen wrote: On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 at 17:54 Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to mailto:br...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 09:07:08 -0600, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com mailto:ke...@scrye.com wrote: dnf's default behavior is like yum with

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2015-04-07 at 18:33 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 07.04.2015 um 17:53 schrieb Ralf Corsepius: On 04/07/2015 05:07 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: dnf's default behavior is like yum with --skip-broken

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 18:55:38 +0200, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: it masks the existence of a security update with broken deps and we *really* don't need another flamewar thread - it is a bad attitude to make such options the default I think it's much more likely there is

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
W dniu 07.04.2015 o 18:39, Ralf Corsepius pisze: skip broken - is pushing fedora users into chaotic situations. - to cheat fedora users and to play down the real problems. In a perfect world skip-broken should not even exist. In a perfect world all Fedora packages would be always

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 16:09:46 +, Tim Lauridsen tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote: afaik, --best don't erase stuff, you need --allowerasing for that --bestTry the best available package versions in transactions. Specifically during dnf upgrade, which by default skips over updates that can

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 04/07/2015 06:30 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 18:00:47 +0200, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: that's unacceptable and leads in burry *real* problems resulting in sonner or later security updates are broken and nobody take snotice soon enough The skip

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 04/07/2015 05:07 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 08:38:57 -0500 Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 10:22:25 -0300, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade paulo.cesar.pereira.de.andr...@gmail.com wrote: I had also switched back to yum in rawhide due to

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 18:00:47 +0200, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: that's unacceptable and leads in burry *real* problems resulting in sonner or later security updates are broken and nobody take snotice soon enough The skip broken feature is more likely to help someone get

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 09:07:08 -0600, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: dnf's default behavior is like yum with --skip-broken already. Not when installing packages. If thats not working and you need to find out more, add '--best' to see things without 'skip-broken'. My understanding

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2015 um 18:30 schrieb Bruno Wolff III: On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 18:00:47 +0200, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: that's unacceptable and leads in burry *real* problems resulting in sonner or later security updates are broken and nobody take snotice soon enough The skip

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Tim Lauridsen
On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 at 17:54 Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 09:07:08 -0600, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: dnf's default behavior is like yum with --skip-broken already. Not when installing packages. If thats not working and you need to find out

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread drago01
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 07.04.2015 um 17:53 schrieb Ralf Corsepius: On 04/07/2015 05:07 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: dnf's default behavior is like yum with --skip-broken already. WHAT? --skip-broken is a band-aid to work around

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2015 um 19:02 schrieb Marcin Juszkiewicz: W dniu 07.04.2015 o 18:39, Ralf Corsepius pisze: skip broken - is pushing fedora users into chaotic situations. - to cheat fedora users and to play down the real problems. In a perfect world skip-broken should not even exist. In a perfect

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2015 um 19:08 schrieb Bruno Wolff III: On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 18:55:38 +0200, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: it masks the existence of a security update with broken deps and we *really* don't need another flamewar thread - it is a bad attitude to make such options

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-03 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: There's some confusion around this, so I thought I would post to try and clear up things. In the event I am wrong on any of the below, please do feel free to correct me. ;) In the past the proposal was to have a yum-dnf

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-03 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
2015-04-03 11:24 GMT-03:00 Miroslav Suchý msu...@redhat.com: On 04/03/2015 03:41 PM, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: DEBUG util.py:388: No such command: builddep. Please use /usr/bin/dnf --help DEBUG util.py:388: It could be a DNF plugin command. I will review using a release other

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-03 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
2015-04-03 12:04 GMT-03:00 Paulo César Pereira de Andrade paulo.cesar.pereira.de.andr...@gmail.com: 2015-04-03 11:24 GMT-03:00 Miroslav Suchý msu...@redhat.com: On 04/03/2015 03:41 PM, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: DEBUG util.py:388: No such command: builddep. Please use /usr/bin/dnf

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-03 Thread Michael Šimáček
On 2015-04-03 21:18, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 12:18 -0300, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: 2015-04-03 12:04 GMT-03:00 Paulo César Pereira de Andrade paulo.cesar.pereira.de.andr...@gmail.com: 2015-04-03 11:24 GMT-03:00 Miroslav Suchý msu...@redhat.com: On 04/03/2015

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-03 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
2015-04-03 16:18 GMT-03:00 Adam Williamson adamw...@fedoraproject.org: As msuchy said, the best thing to do when you encounter something that has been affected by the transition is to file a bug and get it fixed, not just use an older release. I opened two bug reports: [mock with default dnf

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 12:18 -0300, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: 2015-04-03 12:04 GMT-03:00 Paulo César Pereira de Andrade paulo.cesar.pereira.de.andr...@gmail.com: 2015-04-03 11:24 GMT-03:00 Miroslav Suchý msu...@redhat.com: On 04/03/2015 03:41 PM, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-03 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
2015-04-03 16:18 GMT-03:00 Adam Williamson adamw...@fedoraproject.org: Hmm, let me see if I understand :) mock should be adapted to dnf or changed to call yum-deprecated on F22 and F23. the 'resolvedep' command was already marked as deprecated *in yum*: * resolvedep dep1 [dep2]

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-03 Thread Miroslav Suchý
On 04/03/2015 03:41 PM, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: DEBUG util.py:388: No such command: builddep. Please use /usr/bin/dnf --help DEBUG util.py:388: It could be a DNF plugin command. I will review using a release other than rawhide. Just install dnf-plugins-core. But suddenly

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-03 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
2015-04-01 16:40 GMT-03:00 Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com: There's some confusion around this, so I thought I would post to try and clear up things. In the event I am wrong on any of the below, please do feel free to correct me. ;) In the past the proposal was to have a yum-dnf package that

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-02 Thread Parag Nemade
Hi, On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Jiří Konečný jkone...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2015-04-01 at 13:40 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: There's some confusion around this, so I thought I would post to try and clear up things. In the event I am wrong on any of the below, please do feel free to

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-02 Thread Jiří Konečný
On Wed, 2015-04-01 at 13:40 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: There's some confusion around this, so I thought I would post to try and clear up things. In the event I am wrong on any of the below, please do feel free to correct me. ;) In the past the proposal was to have a yum-dnf package that

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-02 Thread Jan Silhan
From: Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com There's some confusion around this, so I thought I would post to try and clear up things. In the event I am wrong on any of the below, please do feel free to correct me. ;) In the past the proposal was to have a yum-dnf package that provided /usr/bin/yum,

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-02 Thread Jiří Konečný
On Thu, 2015-04-02 at 13:32 +0530, Parag Nemade wrote: Hi, On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Jiří Konečný jkone...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2015-04-01 at 13:40 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: There's some confusion around this, so I thought I would post to try and clear up things. In the event

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-02 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 02 Apr 2015 09:50:05 +0200, Jiří Konečný wrote: When I'm using this command I get information which package contains this library. $ yum provides *libnetapi.so but when I'm using dnf command $ dnf repoquery --provides *libnetapi.so Besides other replies to make it clear: There is a

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-02 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Thu, 2015-04-02 at 14:23 +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: On Thu, 02 Apr 2015 09:50:05 +0200, Jiří Konečný wrote: rpm/repoquery just do not support wildcards so one has to type: repoquery --whatprovides 'libnetapi.so.0()(64bit)' dnf repoquery --whatprovides

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-02 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 14:23:45 +0200 Jan Kratochvil jan.kratoch...@redhat.com wrote: rpm/repoquery just do not support wildcards so one has to type: repoquery --whatprovides 'libnetapi.so.0()(64bit)' dnf repoquery --whatprovides 'libnetapi.so.0()(64bit)' Jan Is this a

Re: dnf replacing yum and dnf-yum

2015-04-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: * When you run 'yum' you get: % sudo yum list foobar Yum command has been deprecated, use dnf instead. See 'man dnf' and 'man yum2dnf' for more information. To transfer transaction metadata from yum to DNF, run 'dnf migrate'