Hi,
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On 11/10/10 03:41 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
I installed and played with Ubuntu 10.10 over the weekend (in a VM),
and I have to say that their installer is
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 23:51 +0200, Ralf Ertzinger wrote:
Hi.
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 22:26:18 +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote
As you pointed out, different drives, can have more-or-less identical
partition size, with different CHS in the partition table.
I my experience the hard disk vendors
On Tuesday 12 October 2010 21:28:24 Evan Dandrea wrote:
You absolutely can automate it, using the same preseeding mechanism found
in debian-installer.
Thanks for the info. Didn't know Debian preseeding can be used with the Ubuntu
live installer as well. That boosts usability to another level
On 10/13/2010 05:51 PM, Ralf Ertzinger wrote:
Hi.
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 22:26:18 +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote
As you pointed out, different drives, can have more-or-less identical
partition size, with different CHS in the partition table.
I my experience the hard disk vendors have been
On Tuesday 12 October 2010 15:56:02 Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
Now we are really talking semantics. The point is that users should not be
confronted with choices they don't really need to make or they don't
understand.
I disagree. How should a user know about some nice feature if its whole
On 10/12/2010 03:56 PM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
On 10/12/2010 02:52 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 10/12/2010 02:16 PM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
On 10/12/2010 10:28 AM, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
Hi,
Striving for usability and pleasantness for the untechnical users
certainly is
a
On 10/14/2010 06:32 PM, Lars Seipel wrote:
On Tuesday 12 October 2010 15:56:02 Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
Now we are really talking semantics. The point is that users should not be
confronted with choices they don't really need to make or they don't
understand.
I disagree. How should a
On 10/14/2010 07:05 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 10/12/2010 03:56 PM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
On 10/12/2010 02:52 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 10/12/2010 02:16 PM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
On 10/12/2010 10:28 AM, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
Hi,
Striving for usability and
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On 11/10/10 03:41 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
I installed and played with Ubuntu 10.10 over the weekend (in a VM),
and I have to say that their installer is very smooth indeed. It's
starting to make anaconda look distinctly clunky.
Some of
On 10/12/10 18:39, Jos Vos wrote:
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 09:30:45AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
2) it creates a confusing decision point for *everyone*: how do you know
if you need the 'advanced' options? You can't really know without
looking at them, so you have to look at them to decide
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 11:41 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
I installed and played with Ubuntu 10.10 over the weekend (in a VM),
and I have to say that their installer is very smooth indeed. snip
As a full-time Ubuntu user, I just want to point out that I don't really
like the Ubuntu installer
2010/10/12 Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com:
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On 10/12/10 7:20 AM, Rudolf Kastl wrote:
I am doing the same setup, nice to see someone else with those
requirements. actually without kickstart setting up softraid in
anaconda was broken (try it
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On 10/13/10 2:04 AM, Rudolf Kastl wrote:
Let me clarify. On the criteria page i read (have to dig out the link)
it said that bugs regarding having /boot on softraid are ignored at
this point, so no i didnt bother filing a report. sounded like a
* Chris Jones [13/10/2010 11:35] :
As a full-time Ubuntu user, I just want to point out that I don't really
like the Ubuntu installer and its whole process. Although I do prefer to
use to distro itself.
Amen, I've lost count of the amount of times installing Ubuntu has
involved installing
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 02:28:05AM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
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On 10/13/10 2:04 AM, Rudolf Kastl wrote:
Let me clarify. On the criteria page i read (have to dig out the link)
it said that bugs regarding having /boot on softraid are ignored at
2010/10/13 Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com:
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On 10/13/10 2:04 AM, Rudolf Kastl wrote:
Let me clarify. On the criteria page i read (have to dig out the link)
it said that bugs regarding having /boot on softraid are ignored at
this point, so no i
On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 00:29 +0800, Liang Suilong wrote:
Anaconda does not easily support upgrading from internet. It is quite
regretful.
Did you mean to say 'Ubuntu installer' here too? Anaconda certainly does
support upgrading from the Internet. And it's *too* easy -- I often find
it's using
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:16:00AM +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
advanced install mode is a non-started as discussed elsewhere in this
thread. It must be more fine-grained, i.e. each installation step
(where it make sense) should offer some button to see the advanced
options.
The Show a
On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 18:18 +0100, Evan Dandrea wrote:
The Ubuntu installer does let you use a NFS root for your installation source.
On the point of needing something more complex, such as LVM or full disk
encryption, that's what we offer our alternate CD installer (debian-installer)
for.
Hello,
I am doing the same setup, nice to see someone else with those
requirements. actually without kickstart setting up softraid in
anaconda was broken (try it manually without precreated partitions...
it will drive you insane). out of the box booting didnt work when
/boot was on a
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 08:23:23 -0700
Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 02:28 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
Ok, so what you're saying is, that the specific case of
having /boot on softraid didn't work for you. I may have missed
that clarification in your first
On 10/13/2010 05:21 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 10:16 +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
And it probably shouldn't be labeled Advanced ... but say what kind of
advanced stuff is hidden there, i.e. the advanced storage button
should be labeled Add SAN storage ... because this is
On 10/13/2010 10:53 AM, Gilboa Davara wrote:
When installing Fedora on machine with -large- amount of drives (8-16),
I simply use a single sfdisk script to create the same partition table
on all drives. When dealing with smaller configurations (3-4 drives),
Anaconda is OK. (At least to me)
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 11:50 -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
Just curious: you script the creation of an identical partition table,
and then you copy 446 bytes which specifically copies the MBR without
the partition table which is in bytes 447-512. Why not just copy the
entire 512 bytes to
Hi.
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 22:26:18 +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote
As you pointed out, different drives, can have more-or-less identical
partition size, with different CHS in the partition table.
I my experience the hard disk vendors have been astonishingly coordinated
in how much sectors a drive of
On 10/11/10 19:31, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:41:13 +0100,
Richard W.M. Jonesrjo...@redhat.com wrote:
Some of the things it does which are IMHO better:
- starts disk formatting / copying / installing in parallel
with asking user questions
I think that is a
Hi,
Striving for usability and pleasantness for the untechnical users certainly is
a good thing. It gets problematic when you choose to make things technically
inferior just to please those kind of users.
We don't have to make things inferior to improve usability. To stick
with the
Le Lun 11 octobre 2010 23:44, Farkas Levente a écrit :
imho, the never drop any feature since raid, lvm, iscsi are important
(what's more i use them:-), BUT most user don't ie. 80% of the users
never use them.
If you fail one way or another 20% of users you fail period. That's not an
On 10/12/2010 09:53 AM, Gilboa Davara wrote:
the other point of richards is what the whole fedora community and
redhat should have to understand: most users like ubuntu rather then
fedora/redhat. why? because:
-... better is what most user like. period.
Following your simplistic logic,
On 10/12/2010 10:28 AM, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
Hi,
Striving for usability and pleasantness for the untechnical users certainly
is
a good thing. It gets problematic when you choose to make things technically
inferior just to please those kind of users.
We don't have to make things
On 10/12/2010 02:16 PM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
On 10/12/2010 10:28 AM, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
Hi,
Striving for usability and pleasantness for the untechnical users certainly
is
a good thing. It gets problematic when you choose to make things technically
inferior just to please
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
denni...@conversis.de wrote:
On 10/12/2010 10:28 AM, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
Hi,
Striving for usability and pleasantness for the untechnical users certainly
is
a good thing. It gets problematic when you choose to make things
Anaconda goes though everything step-by-step instead, asking one
question after another, doing some work inbetween (partitining), asking
more questions (packages to install) ...
We have worked a little to reduce this over time, too. If you remember
we used to have a confirmation screen
On 10/12/2010 02:57 PM, Jean-Francois Saucier wrote:
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
denni...@conversis.de wrote:
On 10/12/2010 10:28 AM, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
Hi,
Striving for usability and pleasantness for the untechnical users
certainly is
a good thing. It
2010/10/11 Gilboa Davara gilb...@gmail.com:
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 12:09 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 17:39 +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote:
Comparing the Ubuntu 10.04 DVD installer (which I use a couple of weeks
ago) to Fedora 13 DVD installer is like comparing the Cessna to a
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 02:16:49PM +0200, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
The only way to accomplish this without actually removing the features is
to have two anaconda modes one for easy desktop installation and one full
featured mode. This mode should be chosen not by the user but by the spin
Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
On 10/12/2010 10:28 AM, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
Hi,
Striving for usability and pleasantness for the untechnical users
certainly is a good thing. It gets problematic when you choose to make
things technically inferior just to please those kind of users.
We
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 11:11 -0400, Chris Lumens wrote:
- downloads updates in parallel too
Package updates?
- uses IP geolocation to guess the user's timezone and keyboard
settings (it's been 100% correct for me each time)
We can do this, it's just never really been brought up.
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 11:41 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
I installed and played with Ubuntu 10.10 over the weekend (in a VM),
and I have to say that their installer is very smooth indeed. It's
starting to make anaconda look distinctly clunky.
Some of the things it does which are IMHO
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 19:23 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 15:44 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
Sadly enough, this means that a shiny Ubuntu installer is to the whole
distribution what GNOME shell is to the GNOME project. It doesn't matter
if you've got a lot of bells and
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On 10/12/10 7:20 AM, Rudolf Kastl wrote:
I am doing the same setup, nice to see someone else with those
requirements. actually without kickstart setting up softraid in
anaconda was broken (try it manually without precreated partitions...
it will
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On 10/12/10 7:20 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 02:16:49PM +0200, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
The only way to accomplish this without actually removing the features is
to have two anaconda modes one for easy desktop
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 08:06:59AM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
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On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 02:16:49PM +0200, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
The only way to accomplish this without actually removing the
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On 10/12/10 8:13 AM, Chuck Anderson wrote:
Making advanced only a choice at the beginning of a 10 step process
is a non-starter and leads to the problem you describe above. If
instead there were Advanced Options... in each step along the way
On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 16:40 +0200, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
On 10/12/2010 04:20 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 02:16:49PM +0200, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
The only way to accomplish this without actually removing the features is
to have two anaconda modes one for
On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 10:53 -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
I don't agree. There's nothing unusual about a dumbed-down interface for
novices, with an 'advanced' tab hiding more options.
As someone else has pointed out, a lot of usability experts consider
this a bad idea, for two reasons:
1)
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 10:53 -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
I don't agree. There's nothing unusual about a dumbed-down interface for
novices, with an 'advanced' tab hiding more options.
As someone else has pointed out, a
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 09:30:45AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
2) it creates a confusing decision point for *everyone*: how do you know
if you need the 'advanced' options? You can't really know without
looking at them, so you have to look at them to decide if you need them,
so essentially
On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 18:34 +0200, drago01 wrote:
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 10:53 -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
I don't agree. There's nothing unusual about a dumbed-down interface for
novices, with an 'advanced' tab
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 18:34 +0200, drago01 wrote:
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 10:53 -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
I don't agree. There's nothing
On Mon Oct 11 15:39:44 UTC 2010, Gilboa Davara wrote:
Comparing the Ubuntu 10.04 DVD installer (which I use a couple of weeks
ago) to Fedora 13 DVD installer is like comparing the Cessna to a Boeing
747.
Sure, both can accomplish the same task. Read: transporting people from
one airport to
On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 19:15 +0200, drago01 wrote:
As I recall, several distros have done usability studies and found that
this isn't actually true. People have been *trained* to just press next,
next, next under specific circumstances - like Windows software
installation - but it's not
On 10/12/2010 05:13 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote:
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 08:06:59AM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
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On 10/12/10 7:20 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 02:16:49PM +0200, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
The only way to
On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 16:00 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 11:11 -0400, Chris Lumens wrote:
- suggests a username and hostname based on the user's real name
(Mac OS X's installer also does this -- it's a nice touch)
If DNS knows a hostname, we will suggest that.
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Evan Dandrea e...@ubuntu.com wrote:
You can follow the path to the different desktop CDs from here:
http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download
The alternate CD can be found under the alternative downloads link,
with an explanation that it is suited
I honestly have no idea.
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On Mon Oct 11 21:34:08 UTC 2010 Lars Seipel wrote:
It may be nice usability-wise but it lacks support for LVM2, LUKS disk
encryption and practically everything more advanced. It can't be automated
using some equivalent to kickstart and it fails at all the stuff Anaconda
subsumes unter advanced
2010/10/12 James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org
On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 16:00 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 11:11 -0400, Chris Lumens wrote:
- suggests a username and hostname based on the user's real name
(Mac OS X's installer also does this -- it's a nice
On 10/12/2010 10:35 PM, Manuel Escudero wrote:
2010/10/12 James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org
mailto:ja...@fedoraproject.org
On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 16:00 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 11:11 -0400, Chris Lumens wrote:
- suggests a username and hostname
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Evan Dandrea e...@ubuntu.com wrote:
I honestly have no idea.
Hmm. That's unfortunate. It appears from the web pages that the
preferred way to get the alternative images is the torrent ticket (as
it appears ahead of the mirror urls). If users are meant to bump
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Jeff Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote:
The low activity on the Ubuntu torrent server generally really leaves
me scratching my head as to how to evaluate the applicability of the
alternative image approach.
Just to provide some closure on this. I watched the
I installed and played with Ubuntu 10.10 over the weekend (in a VM),
and I have to say that their installer is very smooth indeed. It's
starting to make anaconda look distinctly clunky.
Some of the things it does which are IMHO better:
- starts disk formatting / copying / installing in
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 6:41 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote:
I installed and played with Ubuntu 10.10 over the weekend (in a VM),
and I have to say that their installer is very smooth indeed. It's
starting to make anaconda look distinctly clunky.
Some of the things it does
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 09:51:41AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
I would like to see you create a Fedora Remix spin with this change to
illustrate the benefits. That way we can evaluate feasibility and
overall value add before we dive head first into it across the whole
project.
Proving what?
2010/10/11 Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com:
I would like to see you create a Fedora Remix spin with this change to
illustrate the benefits. That way we can evaluate feasibility and
overall value add before we dive head first into it across the whole
project.
Useless waste of time. Just grab
On 10/11/2010 10:21 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 09:51:41AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
I would like to see you create a Fedora Remix spin with this change to
illustrate the benefits. That way we can evaluate feasibility and
overall value add before we dive head first
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 15:21 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 09:51:41AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
I would like to see you create a Fedora Remix spin with this change to
illustrate the benefits. That way we can evaluate feasibility and
overall value add before we dive
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 03:21:40PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
Proving what? You can just imagine what a rebranded Ubuntu installer
that installed Fedora would look like. My point anyway is that we
could look at Ubuntu for ideas, because the first point of contact
with users is now
Useless waste of time. Just grab Ubuntu iso and see a stunning gap in
both technology and usability between anaconda and their own
installed.
Does the Ubuntu installer support installing to iscsi? Multipath?
CCISS? Fully automated installation? Install over VNC? Installation
from NFS, ISO
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:48:44AM -0400, Chris Lumens wrote:
Useless waste of time. Just grab Ubuntu iso and see a stunning gap in
both technology and usability between anaconda and their own
installed.
Does the Ubuntu installer support installing to iscsi? Multipath?
CCISS? Fully
- downloads updates in parallel too
Package updates?
- uses IP geolocation to guess the user's timezone and keyboard
settings (it's been 100% correct for me each time)
We can do this, it's just never really been brought up. I'd like to
rework a lot of the l10n stuff anyway, there just
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 11:41 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
I installed and played with Ubuntu 10.10 over the weekend (in a VM),
and I have to say that their installer is very smooth indeed. It's
starting to make anaconda look distinctly clunky.
Some of the things it does which are IMHO
2010/10/11 Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com:
I installed and played with Ubuntu 10.10 over the weekend (in a VM),
and I have to say that their installer is very smooth indeed. It's
starting to make anaconda look distinctly clunky.
Some of the things it does which are IMHO better:
-
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 05:53:20PM +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
Does it support text based minimal install?
debian-installer? Yes.
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On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 17:39 +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote:
Comparing the Ubuntu 10.04 DVD installer (which I use a couple of weeks
ago) to Fedora 13 DVD installer is like comparing the Cessna to a Boeing
747.
Sure, both can accomplish the same task. Read: transporting people from
one airport to
On 10/11/2010 03:41 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
Some of the things [Ubuntu 10.10 installer] does which are IMHO better:
- starts disk formatting / copying / installing in parallel
with asking user questions
- downloads updates in parallel too
What was the wall-clock duration from
I think anaconda is better than ubuntu installer.
Ubuntu installer does not support LVM and RAID. I need these features.
Anaconda does not easily support upgrading from internet. It is quite
regretful.
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:14 AM, John Reiser jrei...@bitwagon.com wrote:
On 10/11/2010
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 10:48 -0400, Chris Lumens wrote:
Useless waste of time. Just grab Ubuntu iso and see a stunning gap in
both technology and usability between anaconda and their own
installed.
Does the Ubuntu installer support installing to iscsi? Multipath?
CCISS? Fully automated
Matthias Clasen (mcla...@redhat.com) said:
That is certainly a big part of the problem. Anaconda does a _ton_ of
crap that only very few users care about. And keeping all these minority
features from falling apart is leaving you no time to polish the user
experience for the large majority of
Chris Lumens (clum...@redhat.com) said:
- downloads updates in parallel too
Package updates?
1) Given that it's using yum, downloading multiple things in parallel
would need to be fixed there.
2) If it means downloading packages in the background while it does
other tasks, given that
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 13:16 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Matthias Clasen (mcla...@redhat.com) said:
That is certainly a big part of the problem. Anaconda does a _ton_ of
crap that only very few users care about. And keeping all these minority
features from falling apart is leaving you no
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 01:07:26PM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
That is certainly a big part of the problem. Anaconda does a _ton_ of
crap that only very few users care about. And keeping all these minority
features from falling apart is leaving you no time to polish the user
experience for
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:41:13 +0100,
Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote:
Some of the things it does which are IMHO better:
- starts disk formatting / copying / installing in parallel
with asking user questions
I think that is a misfeature. I don't want anything
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 12:09 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 17:39 +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote:
Comparing the Ubuntu 10.04 DVD installer (which I use a couple of weeks
ago) to Fedora 13 DVD installer is like comparing the Cessna to a Boeing
747.
Sure, both can accomplish
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 12:44:49 -0500,
Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote:
I think that is a misfeature. I don't want anything irreversible to be done
until I say go.
You know that Fedora has done partitioning/mkfs about halfway through
the install for a while now, right? I don't
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 13:18 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Chris Lumens (clum...@redhat.com) said:
- downloads updates in parallel too
Package updates?
1) Given that it's using yum, downloading multiple things in parallel
would need to be fixed there.
We have an open rfe for
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 12:51 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 12:44:49 -0500,
Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote:
I think that is a misfeature. I don't want anything irreversible to be
done
until I say go.
You know that Fedora has done partitioning/mkfs
On Monday 11 October 2010 12:41:13 Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
This is in contrast to anaconda (certainly from the live CD install)
which seems to be a usability no-go area.
Thoughts? Can we switch to their installer?
Rich.
It may be nice usability-wise but it lacks support for LVM2, LUKS
On 10/11/2010 06:09 PM, Jon Masters wrote:
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 17:39 +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote:
Comparing the Ubuntu 10.04 DVD installer (which I use a couple of weeks
ago) to Fedora 13 DVD installer is like comparing the Cessna to a Boeing
747.
Sure, both can accomplish the same task.
* Matthew Garrett [11/10/2010 19:57] :
debian-installer? Yes.
Shipping 2 different installers is a recipe for disaster from a user and
QA perspective.Choose one between Ubiquity, Debian-installer and Anaconda.
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Shipping 2 different installers is a recipe for disaster from a user and
QA perspective.Choose one between Ubiquity, Debian-installer and Anaconda.
We only ship one installer, and that is anaconda. I suppose you could
argue over whether livecd is its own thing or not, but that's a nitpicky
On 10/11/2010 08:51 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 12:44:49 -0500,
Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote:
I think that is a misfeature. I don't want anything irreversible to be done
until I say go.
You know that Fedora has done partitioning/mkfs about halfway
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:12:35AM +0200, Emmanuel Seyman wrote:
* Matthew Garrett [11/10/2010 19:57] :
debian-installer? Yes.
Shipping 2 different installers is a recipe for disaster from a user and
QA perspective.Choose one between Ubiquity, Debian-installer and Anaconda.
Ubiquity is a
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 13:16 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Matthias Clasen (mcla...@redhat.com) said:
That is certainly a big part of the problem. Anaconda does a _ton_ of
crap that only very few users care about. And keeping all these minority
features from falling apart is leaving you no
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 13:18 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Chris Lumens (clum...@redhat.com) said:
- downloads updates in parallel too
Package updates?
1) Given that it's using yum, downloading multiple things in parallel
would need to be fixed there.
2) If it means downloading
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 15:44 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
Sadly enough, this means that a shiny Ubuntu installer is to the whole
distribution what GNOME shell is to the GNOME project. It doesn't matter
if you've got a lot of bells and whistles underneath, or what you can
do, if you don't look
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