On 06/23/2014 06:44 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Mon, 2014-06-23 at 11:14 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
Try yum update when the oldest installed kernel (and the running
kernel) is the only one that works and there is a new (still broken for
your system) kernel update available. In that case
On 06/23/2014 07:27 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 12:44:31 -0400,
Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote:
I would suggest that the fix for this is to not push broken kernels so
frequently that 'the oldest one is the only that works' becomes an
issue, and to introduce
On 06/23/2014 07:07 PM, drago01 wrote:
You still did not give a simple case why someone with some sanity left
would do yum remove rpm or yum remove yum ... that makes no sense.
By accident?
E.g.. I for one occasionally use to command line to remove whole sets of
packages and these
On Wednesday, 25 June 2014 at 11:28, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 06/23/2014 07:27 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 12:44:31 -0400,
Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote:
I would suggest that the fix for this is to not push broken kernels so
frequently that 'the oldest
On 06/23/2014 07:21 PM, Jaroslav Nahorny wrote:
Reindl Harald writes:
It looks like there isn't even a way to override this behavior in yum.
I haven't wanted to remove all the kernels in a while (I guess since
before this was added); is the only way to bypass yum and use rpm?
yes - simply
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote:
On 06/23/2014 07:21 PM, Jaroslav Nahorny wrote:
Reindl Harald writes:
It looks like there isn't even a way to override this behavior in yum.
I haven't wanted to remove all the kernels in a while (I guess since
Am 25.06.2014 13:45, schrieb drago01:
Well the non nerds and professionals do not go and remove random
stuff they did not even install themselves. They also do not tend to
mess much with default configs out of fear of breaking something
does anybody take away things from you by have the same
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 25.06.2014 13:45, schrieb drago01:
Well the non nerds and professionals do not go and remove random
stuff they did not even install themselves. They also do not tend to
mess much with default configs out of fear
Am 25.06.2014 14:05, schrieb drago01:
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 25.06.2014 13:45, schrieb drago01:
Well the non nerds and professionals do not go and remove random
stuff they did not even install themselves. They also do not tend to
On 06/25/2014 01:47 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 06/23/2014 07:07 PM, drago01 wrote:
You still did not give a simple case why someone with some sanity left
would do yum remove rpm or yum remove yum ... that makes no sense.
By accident?
E.g.. I for one occasionally use to command line to
On 06/25/2014 02:40 PM, Panu Matilainen wrote:
On 06/25/2014 01:47 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 06/23/2014 07:07 PM, drago01 wrote:
You still did not give a simple case why someone with some sanity left
would do yum remove rpm or yum remove yum ... that makes no sense.
By accident?
E.g.. I
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 02:20:30PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
No I am just saying its not worth the fuss and 100+ long mail threads
people like *you* are the reason for the 100+ long mail threads
Harald, I'm not kidding with the code of conduct warning.
And as before, this goes on both
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 10:23:45 -0400
Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 02:20:30PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
No I am just saying its not worth the fuss and 100+ long mail
threads
people like *you* are the reason for the 100+ long mail threads
On 23 June 2014 23:54, Gerald B. Cox gb...@bzb.us wrote:
First of all thank you for your reasoned response. I simply disagree.
I understand the fact about require bugs, and the tons of dependent
packages. I've seen that also when I've tried to remove a package and
noticed it had a myriad of
Am 24.06.2014 00:54, schrieb Gerald B. Cox:
Regarding your kernel comment, I've been using Fedora since Redhat 6.2 and
DNF since it first came out and I've
never encountered this. When I update the kernel, it leaves the prior two on
my system for rollback, so I have no
idea what you're
2014-06-23 17:51 GMT+02:00 Gerald B. Cox gb...@bzb.us:
This has got to be the silliest thing I've ever seen, but whatever. You
enter the command dnf remove dnf, and guess what? It removes dnf. You enter
the command dnf remove kernel, and guess what, it removes the kernel. What a
On 24 June 2014 10:31, Thomas Bendler m...@bendler-net.de wrote:
you need to unlock the gun before you can shoot in your foot...
...and modern systems ask you up to four, five times
How many different locks does a gun have? Last time I checked there
was one safety catch -- DNF asks you for
2014-06-24 11:36 GMT+02:00 Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com:
On 24 June 2014 10:31, Thomas Bendler m...@bendler-net.de wrote:
you need to unlock the gun before you can shoot in your foot...
...and modern systems ask you up to four, five times
How many different locks does a gun have?
Been reading this for a while and I'm getting annoyed by the 'you should
know what you are doing' mob. There can be no reason not to have safe
guards in dnf to save you from the oh sh#t moments. Everyone has those at
some time and those who are learning Linux need these guards to avoid them
Am 24.06.2014 11:36, schrieb Richard Hughes:
On 24 June 2014 10:31, Thomas Bendler m...@bendler-net.de wrote:
you need to unlock the gun before you can shoot in your foot...
...and modern systems ask you up to four, five times
How many different locks does a gun have? Last time I checked
2014-06-24 11:40 GMT+02:00 Florian Weimer fwei...@redhat.com:
On 06/24/2014 11:31 AM, Thomas Bendler wrote:
Hopefully you don't write professional software with this kind of
attitude.
Please don't try to win arguments by labeling the opposition as
incompetent. You won't convince anyone,
Am 24.06.2014 11:40, schrieb Florian Weimer:
On 06/24/2014 11:31 AM, Thomas Bendler wrote:
Hopefully you don't write professional software with this kind of
attitude.
Please don't try to win arguments by labeling the opposition as
incompetent. You won't convince anyone, and it
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Jon Kent jon.k...@gmail.com wrote:
Been reading this for a while and I'm getting annoyed by the 'you should
know what you are doing' mob. There can be no reason not to have safe guards
in dnf to save you from the oh sh#t moments. Everyone has those at some time
Am 24.06.2014 12:05, schrieb Dridi Boukelmoune:
Because I totally agree with you and IIRC this kind of stuff has been
added over time in yum. Also IMHO some of those features are very
fedora/el specific, and allows yum to work only on fedora and
downstream distros. Yum expects the kernel rpm
On 06/23/2014 06:54 PM, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
First of all thank you for your reasoned response. I simply disagree.
I understand the fact about require bugs, and the tons of dependent packages. I've seen that also when I've
tried to remove a package and noticed it had a myriad of dependencies
On 24 June 2014 11:03, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 24.06.2014 11:40, schrieb Florian Weimer:
On 06/24/2014 11:31 AM, Thomas Bendler wrote:
Hopefully you don't write professional software with this kind of
attitude.
Please don't try to win arguments by labeling the
Am 24.06.2014 12:56, schrieb Ian Malone:
On 24 June 2014 11:03, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 24.06.2014 11:40, schrieb Florian Weimer:
On 06/24/2014 11:31 AM, Thomas Bendler wrote:
Hopefully you don't write professional software with this kind of
attitude.
Please don't
On Tue, 2014-06-24 at 11:45 +0200, Thomas Bendler wrote:
2014-06-24 11:36 GMT+02:00 Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com:
On 24 June 2014 10:31, Thomas Bendler m...@bendler-net.de
wrote:
you need to unlock the gun before you can shoot in your
foot...
2014-06-24 14:25 GMT+02:00 Nils Philippsen n...@redhat.com:
On Tue, 2014-06-24 at 11:45 +0200, Thomas Bendler wrote:
2014-06-24 11:36 GMT+02:00 Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com:
On 24 June 2014 10:31, Thomas Bendler m...@bendler-net.de
wrote:
you need to unlock
Le mardi 24 juin 2014 à 14:43 +0200, Sergio Pascual a écrit :
2014-06-24 14:25 GMT+02:00 Nils Philippsen n...@redhat.com:
On Tue, 2014-06-24 at 11:45 +0200, Thomas Bendler wrote:
2014-06-24 11:36 GMT+02:00 Richard Hughes
hughsi...@gmail.com:
On
On 24 June 2014 12:51, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 24.06.2014 12:56, schrieb Ian Malone:
On 24 June 2014 11:03, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 24.06.2014 11:40, schrieb Florian Weimer:
On 06/24/2014 11:31 AM, Thomas Bendler wrote:
Hopefully you don't
On 06/23/2014 07:35 PM, Mattia Verga wrote:
If yum history showed that a protection for critical packages is useful
and appreciated by the majority, why the yum replacement shouldn't
implement that protection saying it's unuseful?
I'd go into a different direction: The fact, yum had such a
Gerald B. Cox gbcox at bzb.us writes:
Sigh A gun doesn't require you to go into root mode before using it; and
it doesn't ask you if you are sure before you pull the trigger.
dnf requires root mode _every_ time you use it. Same for asking if you're
sure (unless the -y option is used). Any
Gerald B. Cox gbcox at bzb.us writes:
I also cringe when I see the -y or --assumeyes option mentioned. IMO
that is just inviting disaster.
I'm surprised no one is demanding that be removed. It is dangerous.
Someone might need to use yum or dnf in a script. Personally, that's the
_only_ time
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 08:16:08PM +, Andre Robatino wrote:
I also cringe when I see the -y or --assumeyes option mentioned. IMO
that is just inviting disaster.
I'm surprised no one is demanding that be removed. It is dangerous.
Someone might need to use yum or dnf in a script.
On 22. 6. 2014 at 23:36:34, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
HI
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
This isn't for a plugin, but as a core feature:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=955673
As previously noted, the yum functionality was originally a plugin but
Am 23.06.2014 06:29, schrieb Gerald B. Cox:
I think there are much more important things to be concerned about than:
1. Childproofing software.
2. Writing software to protect against software bugs.
DNF already requires that you have root privileges
so what
in addition to requiring
On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 11:25:46 +0200
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
snipped
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1049310#c29
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Am 23.06.2014 11:28, schrieb Frank Murphy:
On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 11:25:46 +0200
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
snipped
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1049310#c29
sounds like there is now a chance DNF get trustable until
Fedroa 22 is released which is for sure the
Jan Zelený wrote:
As always, patches are welcome.
http://www.xenoterracide.com/2010/05/dont-say-patches-welcome.html
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On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote:
Jan Zelený wrote:
As always, patches are welcome.
http://www.xenoterracide.com/2010/05/dont-say-patches-welcome.html
That link is nonsense. It *is* reasonable to ask people on a
*development mailing list* for
Hi
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:17 AM, drago01 wrote:
That link is nonsense. It *is* reasonable to ask people on a
*development mailing list* for patches ...
Perhaps but this is more a community of packagers and doing so here would
be viewed as an offhanded brush off but what I asked for is
This has got to be the silliest thing I've ever seen, but whatever.
You enter the command dnf remove dnf, and guess what? It removes dnf.
You enter the command dnf remove kernel, and guess what, it removes
the kernel. What a concept, it does what you tell it to do.
Not withstanding the fact
I know that a pistol can be dangerous and I can even shoot myself. I
keep it in a place where childrens can't reach it, so why bothering with
a safety lock? It can be cheaper making the pistol without it...
Il 23/06/2014 17:51, Gerald B. Cox ha scritto:
This has got to be the silliest thing
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 08:51:51 -0700,
Gerald B. Cox gb...@bzb.us wrote:
This has got to be the silliest thing I've ever seen, but whatever.
You enter the command dnf remove dnf, and guess what? It removes dnf.
You enter the command dnf remove kernel, and guess what, it removes
the kernel.
On Mon, 2014-06-23 at 11:14 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
Try yum update when the oldest installed kernel (and the running
kernel) is the only one that works and there is a new (still broken for
your system) kernel update available. In that case one really wouldn't
expect the running
Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to said:
Try yum update when the oldest installed kernel (and the running
kernel) is the only one that works and there is a new (still broken
for your system) kernel update available. In that case one really
wouldn't expect the running kernel be
Am 23.06.2014 18:44, schrieb Matthias Clasen:
On Mon, 2014-06-23 at 11:14 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
Try yum update when the oldest installed kernel (and the running
kernel) is the only one that works and there is a new (still broken for
your system) kernel update available. In that
On 23 June 2014 17:57, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
please come back to the real world
That doesn't sound very excellent. Do we have to start mentioning the
moderation word again?
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Am 23.06.2014 18:47, schrieb Chris Adams:
Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to said:
Try yum update when the oldest installed kernel (and the running
kernel) is the only one that works and there is a new (still broken
for your system) kernel update available. In that case one
Am 23.06.2014 19:00, schrieb Richard Hughes:
On 23 June 2014 17:57, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
please come back to the real world
That doesn't sound very excellent. Do we have to start mentioning the
moderation word again?
please don't quote out of context
thank you!
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 23.06.2014 18:47, schrieb Chris Adams:
Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to said:
Try yum update when the oldest installed kernel (and the running
kernel) is the only one that works and there is a new
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Mattia Verga mattia.ve...@tiscali.it
wrote:
I know that a pistol can be dangerous and I can even shoot myself. I keep
it in a place where childrens can't reach it, so why bothering with a
safety lock? It can be cheaper making the pistol without it...
Sigh A
Am 23.06.2014 19:14, schrieb Gerald B. Cox:
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Mattia Verga mattia.ve...@tiscali.it
mailto:mattia.ve...@tiscali.it wrote:
I know that a pistol can be dangerous and I can even shoot myself. I keep
it in a place where childrens can't
reach it, so why
On Mon, 2014-06-23 at 19:07 +0200, drago01 wrote:
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 23.06.2014 18:47, schrieb Chris Adams:
Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to said:
Try yum update when the oldest installed kernel (and the
On 23/06/14 17:51, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
Not withstanding the fact that:
1. You have to be in root mode to invoke
2. It lists everything it is going to do, and you have to explicitly say YES.
Assuming that it will always wants a yes to confirm, people will pretty fast
get used to
it and
On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 19:21:43 +0200
Mathieu Bridon boche...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
One thing I've seen a few times at the time Yum didn't have that
protection was « I don't do development, so I can remove Python »
It did lead to a few people not having Yum installed any more.
I don't
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 12:44:31 -0400,
Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote:
I would suggest that the fix for this is to not push broken kernels so
frequently that 'the oldest one is the only that works' becomes an
issue, and to introduce automatic testing that ensures you can at least
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net
wrote:
*stop* to insult people
It's not insulting people to state facts. Just because you are on this
ridiculous tirade doesn't mean that people aren't allow to push back on
this insanity. I've read your posts, and if
Reindl Harald writes:
Am 23.06.2014 18:47, schrieb Chris Adams:
Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to said:
Try yum update when the oldest installed kernel (and the running
kernel) is the only one that works and there is a new (still broken
for your system) kernel update
Am 23.06.2014 19:21, schrieb Mathieu Bridon:
On Mon, 2014-06-23 at 19:07 +0200, drago01 wrote:
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net
wrote:
yes - simply because the chance that soemone wants to uninstall all
kernels, yum, dnf and finalyl rpm itself is very
Am 23.06.2014 19:30, schrieb Gerald B. Cox:
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net
mailto:h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
*stop* to insult people
It's not insulting people to state facts. Just because you are on this
ridiculous tirade
which is
Il 23/06/2014 19:14, Gerald B. Cox ha scritto:
Sigh A gun doesn't require you to go into root mode before using it;
and it doesn't ask you if you are sure before you pull the trigger.
In my example this was exactly the case. I am the root, childrens are
users. And yes, it asks you if you're
Once upon a time, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net said:
without that protection any what is that, i don't need it
and try to remove it brings the danger to ruin the setup
And the protection is already there - the list of dependent packages
that will be removed, followed by a confirmation
Am 23.06.2014 19:21, schrieb Jaroslav Nahorny:
Exactly. System warns you, but if you insist, it will allow you to rm
-rf /. The same is with dnf. It will show you the list of packages it's
going to remove, and ask you if you are sure this is what you want. What
more do we need?
ah you know
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 19:21:07 +0200,
Jaroslav Nahorny jaros...@hackerspace.pl wrote:
For me it is a totally reasonable and sane approach. If you claim there
are people who won't read the list of to-be-removed packages and blindly
hit *Y* - well, I belive you are right - there are such
Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net said:
without that protection any what is that, i don't need it
and try to remove it brings the danger to ruin the setup
And the protection is already there - the list of dependent packages
that will be removed,
You're reply is wrong on so many levels I just don't know where to begin.
Suffice to say if you continue to clutter up the forum with nonsense I
will push back.
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net
wrote:
Am 23.06.2014 19:30, schrieb Gerald B. Cox:
On
Am 23.06.2014 19:36, schrieb Chris Adams:
Once upon a time, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net said:
without that protection any what is that, i don't need it
and try to remove it brings the danger to ruin the setup
And the protection is already there - the list of dependent packages
Once upon a time, Johannes Lips johannes.l...@gmail.com said:
Well, yeah and everybody is reading the complete output of yum/dnf if
it's trying to remove hundreds of packages?
Well, yeah. First, if you think you are removing a leaf or minor
package and the package manager lists 100+ dependent
Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Johannes Lips johannes.l...@gmail.com said:
Well, yeah and everybody is reading the complete output of yum/dnf if
it's trying to remove hundreds of packages?
Well, yeah. First, if you think you are removing a leaf or minor
package and the package
Reindl Harald writes:
Am 23.06.2014 19:36, schrieb Chris Adams:
Once upon a time, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net said:
without that protection any what is that, i don't need it
and try to remove it brings the danger to ruin the setup
And the protection is already there - the list of
Am 23.06.2014 19:53, schrieb Chris Adams:
Once upon a time, Johannes Lips johannes.l...@gmail.com said:
Well, yeah and everybody is reading the complete output of yum/dnf if
it's trying to remove hundreds of packages?
Well, yeah. First, if you think you are removing a leaf or minor
Reindl Harald writes:
Am 23.06.2014 19:21, schrieb Jaroslav Nahorny:
Exactly. System warns you, but if you insist, it will allow you to rm
-rf /. The same is with dnf. It will show you the list of packages it's
going to remove, and ask you if you are sure this is what you want. What
more
On Mon, 2014-06-23 at 19:57 +0200, Johannes Lips wrote:
Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Johannes Lips johannes.l...@gmail.com said:
Well, yeah and everybody is reading the complete output of yum/dnf if
it's trying to remove hundreds of packages?
Well, yeah. First, if you think
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 12:53:19 -0500,
Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net wrote:
Once upon a time, Johannes Lips johannes.l...@gmail.com said:
Well, yeah and everybody is reading the complete output of yum/dnf if
it's trying to remove hundreds of packages?
Well, yeah. First, if you think you
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote:
It isn't just remove/erase operations. Updates can be problematic for
kernels. distro-sync can also remove some packages while updating or
downgrading others and that might catch some people by surprise.
And once in awhile
Am 23.06.2014 20:10, schrieb Jerry James:
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote:
It isn't just remove/erase operations. Updates can be problematic for
kernels. distro-sync can also remove some packages while updating or
downgrading others and that might catch
Les Howell hlhow...@pacbell.net wrote on Mon 23 Jun 2014 20:04:56 CEST:
On Mon, 2014-06-23 at 19:57 +0200, Johannes Lips wrote:
Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Johannes Lips johannes.l...@gmail.com said:
Well, yeah and everybody is reading the complete output of yum/dnf if
it's trying to
On Mon, 2014-06-23 at 20:21 +0200, Johannes Lips wrote:
Les Howell hlhow...@pacbell.net wrote on Mon 23 Jun 2014 20:04:56 CEST:
On Mon, 2014-06-23 at 19:57 +0200, Johannes Lips wrote:
Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Johannes Lips johannes.l...@gmail.com said:
Well, yeah and everybody
On 06/23/2014 11:51 AM, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
This has got to be the silliest thing I've ever seen, but whatever. You enter
the command dnf remove dnf, and guess what? It removes dnf. You enter the
command dnf remove kernel, and guess what, it removes the kernel. What a
concept, it does
First of all thank you for your reasoned response. I simply disagree.
I understand the fact about require bugs, and the tons of dependent
packages. I've seen that also when I've tried to remove a package and
noticed it had a myriad of dependencies which would also be removed.
However, when I
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 1:07 PM, drago01 wrote:
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
yes - simply because the chance that soemone wants to uninstall all
kernels, yum, dnf and finalyl rpm itself is very low
You still did not give a simple case why someone with some sanity
On Jun 23, 2014 4:55 PM, Gerald B. Cox gb...@bzb.us wrote:
First of all thank you for your reasoned response. I simply disagree.
I understand the fact about require bugs, and the tons of dependent
packages. I've seen that also when I've tried to remove a package and
noticed it had a myriad
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote:
Tim,
Is there anyone working on a protected packages plugin for Dnf? In the
past, it has helped users avoid trashing their systems due to bugs in
package-cleanup and so on. So it is not just the command line users
Am 22.06.2014 08:18, schrieb Tim Lauridsen:
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com
mailto:methe...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there anyone working on a protected packages plugin for Dnf? In the
past, it has helped users avoid
trashing their systems due to
On 22 June 2014 00:18, Tim Lauridsen tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com
wrote:
Tim,
Is there anyone working on a protected packages plugin for Dnf? In the
past, it has helped users avoid trashing their systems due to bugs in
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 5:18 PM, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com
wrote:
Where should the RFE be filed?
Bugzilla againt dnf or dnf-plugins-core
Tim
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On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 09:18:24AM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
Is there anyone working on a protected packages plugin for Dnf? In the
past, it has helped users avoid trashing their systems due to bugs in
package-cleanup and so on. So it is not just the command line users of the
HI
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
This isn't for a plugin, but as a core feature:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=955673
As previously noted, the yum functionality was originally a plugin but then
adopted as core feature.
I think there are much more important things to be concerned about than:
1. Childproofing software.
2. Writing software to protect against software bugs.
DNF already requires that you have root privileges, in addition to
requiring you to answer Yes to apply changes. Those safeguards are more
that is a joke - DNF even allows to remove libraries
with recursive dependencies uninstall the complete
operating system not only the running kernel
nobody can seriously argue that this is a acceptable behavior
to replace yum and the developers decided so shows once
more that recent Fedora
Hi
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Tim Lauridsen wrote:
Just run rm -rf / as root, it is much faster way to remove your os ;-)
dnf does what you tell it to do and ask for your confirmation, it is not
it's job to protect you from doing stupid things with all kind of stupid
logics.
As
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Tim Lauridsen tim.laurid...@gmail.com
wrote:
many people stops reading fdl, because of all the flaming and people trash
talking each other and that is sad for Fedora :-(
Thank you. No one likes trolling.
It should be obvious that if you start removing
While dnf itself might want to stay pure and do as commanded, maybe
for fedora there should be a default plugin that adds some protection
for the regular users?
On 21 June 2014 18:02, Gerald B. Cox gb...@bzb.us wrote:
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Tim Lauridsen tim.laurid...@gmail.com
You can't child proof the world.
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Naheem Zaffar naheemzaf...@gmail.com
wrote:
While dnf itself might want to stay pure and do as commanded, maybe
for fedora there should be a default plugin that adds some protection
for the regular users?
On 21 June 2014
Am 21.06.2014 19:02, schrieb Gerald B. Cox:
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Tim Lauridsen tim.laurid...@gmail.com
mailto:tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote:
many people stops reading fdl, because of all the flaming and people
trash talking each other and that is sad
for Fedora :-(
Am 21.06.2014 18:23, schrieb Tim Lauridsen:
Just run rm -rf / as root, it is much faster way to remove your os ;-)
dnf does what you tell it to do and ask for your confirmation, it is not it's
job to protect you from doing stupid things with all kind of stupid logics.
bullshit
that even
Its reasonable to follow industry practices in regards to safety. To
remove a common safety and require humans to be intelligent all of the
time is an excellent way to introduce (more) chaos into the system.
Sounds like an off-list discussion needs to take place.
-Phillip
On 6/21/14 12:26
Am 21.06.2014 19:57, schrieb Phillip T. George:
Its reasonable to follow industry practices in regards to safety. To remove
a common safety and require humans to
be intelligent all of the time is an excellent way to introduce (more) chaos
into the system. Sounds like an
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