Re: Replacing grubby with grub2-mkconfig in kernel install process

2012-06-17 Thread Frank Murphy
On 17/06/12 05:08, Ben Rosser wrote: In Fedora 17, when you install grub2 and generate a fresh config file, that config is produced by grub2-mkconfig. However, when you install a kernel update, the kernel's entry is added to the grub2 boot menu by grubby. This produces messy grub boot menus.

Re: Need some ocaml help: coq rebuild failing

2012-06-17 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 05:09:17PM -0600, Jerry James wrote: On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Jerry James loganje...@gmail.com wrote: I'm having a problem with building the coq package for the new OCaml 4.00.0, and I'm at my wits' end.  There were some bad interactions between the new

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-17 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 02:57:30PM +0200, Jochen Schmitt wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 05:15:53PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: #topic ticket 869 F18 Feature: Offline Updates using systemd and packagekit - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OfflineSystemUpdates .fesco 869 The

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-17 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 03:06:10PM +0200, Ralf Ertzinger wrote: Hi. On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:57:30 +0200, Jochen Schmitt wrote One of the most inportant advance of Linux over Windows is the fact, that there are only a few situations - like kernel updates - which requires a reboot of your

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-17 Thread Frank Murphy
On 16/06/12 00:15, Kevin Fenzi wrote: .fesco 868 #topic ticket 869 F18 Feature: Offline Updates using systemd and packagekit - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OfflineSystemUpdates .fesco 869 Not much use to Xfce users. -- Regards, Frank Jack of all, fubars -- devel mailing list

Replacing grubby with grub2-mkconfig in kernel install process

2012-06-17 Thread Andre Robatino
Ben Rosser rosser.bjr at gmail.com writes: It seems to me that we should make the boot menu more consistent somehow. I feel like the simplest solution is just to run grub2-mkconfig at every kernel update, and stop using grubby for this. Then everything would look consistent- the Fedora Linux

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-17 Thread Richard Hughes
On 17 June 2012 10:53, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: So this is a problem that needs to be solved, but does it require a reboot?  Not really ... it's possible to list all processes using zlib, convert that back into a list of packages, then instruct those packages to restart

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.06.2012 01:14, schrieb Chris Murphy: Please provide an example of a better option, with sufficient detail as to constitute a successful relay of the baton. The point of the thread from the outset was to explore alternatives, but so far those alternatives are vaporware. why do people

Re: Replacing grubby with grub2-mkconfig in kernel install process

2012-06-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.06.2012 06:08, schrieb Ben Rosser: In Fedora 17, when you install grub2 and generate a fresh config file, that config is produced by grub2-mkconfig. However, when you install a kernel update, the kernel's entry is added to the grub2 boot menu by grubby. This produces messy grub

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-17 Thread Richard Hughes
On 16 June 2012 14:04, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: the next have solution, searching problem of Lennart? hopefully this leads not sooner or later in uncareful designs where it get more and more a must No, if you mist blame somebody please send insults to me instead. I asked

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-17 Thread Richard Hughes
On 17 June 2012 11:00, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: Not much use to Xfce users. Xfce doesn't have a native PackageKit client. If you run the gnome-settings-daemon updates plugin then it just works. I don't think XFCE has the manpower to re-implement all the stuff needed for the

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-17 Thread Frank Murphy
On 17/06/12 17:17, Richard Hughes wrote: On 17 June 2012 11:00, Frank Murphyfrankl...@gmail.com wrote: Not much use to Xfce users. Xfce doesn't have a native PackageKit client. If you run the gnome-settings-daemon updates plugin then it just works. Not since F16. iirc I don't think

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jun 16, 2012, at 6:36 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: Calls for speculation. We know what the certification policy used to be. We also know how long DOJ takes to do anything, let alone politicking behind the scenes

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jun 16, 2012, at 5:26 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 17.06.2012 01:14, schrieb Chris Murphy: Please provide an example of a better option, with sufficient detail as to constitute a successful relay of the baton. The point of the thread from the outset was to explore alternatives, but so

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: It was justified. Only one is speculation. The other utilizes evidence and a track record of behavior. ... Right, In one case the actual participants in the discussion have expressed doubt that they had any effect,

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.06.2012 19:16, schrieb Chris Murphy: On Jun 16, 2012, at 5:26 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 17.06.2012 01:14, schrieb Chris Murphy: Please provide an example of a better option, with sufficient detail as to constitute a successful relay of the baton. The point of the thread from

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-17 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 05:06:51PM +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: On 17 June 2012 10:53, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: So this is a problem that needs to be solved, but does it require a reboot?  Not really ... it's possible to list all processes using zlib, convert that back

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: you are aware that on ARM platform is NO DISABLE SECURE BOOT allowed this is not future requirement this is CURRENT requirement for Win8 on ARM It was also the original requirement on x86 before negative PR was

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-17 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: That's simply not possible. Some processes like dbus-daemon and gnome-session just cannot be restarted in this way. It's a complete fallacy to believe you can update core libraries on a modern Linux system without

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:51:32 -0400 Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: you are aware that on ARM platform is NO DISABLE SECURE BOOT allowed this is not future requirement this is CURRENT requirement for

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jun 17, 2012, at 11:25 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 17.06.2012 19:16, schrieb Chris Murphy: What I believe is irrelevant. You're proposing emotional reaction based on a future hardware requirement that has not been proposed, is not in the interest of Microsoft or their OEMs

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-17 Thread drago01
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: And now some mere userspace daemons mean users will constantly need to reboot for upgrades? No. Regressions against featuresets from the

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-17 Thread drago01
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 8:08 PM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: [...] If slippery slope arguments are to be dismissed when they're used against new features like systemd (or Wayland or whatever), then Fedora really does need to draw a line in the sand and say no to bad effects when they

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread drago01
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: you are aware that on ARM platform is NO DISABLE SECURE BOOT allowed this is not future requirement this is CURRENT requirement for Win8 on

Re: Replacing grubby with grub2-mkconfig in kernel install process

2012-06-17 Thread drago01
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 17.06.2012 06:08, schrieb Ben Rosser: In Fedora 17, when you install grub2 and generate a fresh config file, that config is produced by grub2-mkconfig. However, when you install a kernel update, the kernel's

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-17 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 2:08 PM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: A new feature is being added nothing is getting removed so no there is no regression. Thats newspeak if I ever saw any. Going from a system which generally doesn't prompt users to reboot to one that does is a regression. dbus

Re: Replacing grubby with grub2-mkconfig in kernel install process

2012-06-17 Thread Heiko Adams
Am 17.06.2012 20:15, schrieb drago01: By that logic we could just stop development today. +1 -- Regards Heiko Adams -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-17 Thread drago01
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 2:08 PM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: A new feature is being added nothing is getting removed so no there is no regression. Thats newspeak if I ever saw any. Going from a system which

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-17 Thread Jochen Schmitt
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 08:40:31PM +0200, drago01 wrote: Yeah but those where examples not the sole reason why reboots are required. It is not like if we didn't switch to systemd this problem wouldn't exist. (which was my point re blaming). Do we realy need a complete reboot of the system? I

Re: Replacing grubby with grub2-mkconfig in kernel install process

2012-06-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.06.2012 20:21, schrieb Heiko Adams: Am 17.06.2012 20:15, schrieb drago01: By that logic we could just stop development today. +1 mhh and some changes for the sake of the change are showing that there are things which are working fine and should not be touched and changed and to say

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-17 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 09:01:11PM +0200, Jochen Schmitt wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 08:40:31PM +0200, drago01 wrote: Yeah but those where examples not the sole reason why reboots are required. It is not like if we didn't switch to systemd this problem wouldn't exist. (which was my

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-17 Thread Richard Hughes
On 17 June 2012 20:01, Jochen Schmitt joc...@herr-schmitt.de wrote: In this case we may save outage time, because we don't have waste time for the BIOS POST, loading the bootloader and the kernel. It takes me 4 seconds to POST, boot the kernel, get into system-update.service, and then reboot.

Re: Replacing grubby with grub2-mkconfig in kernel install process

2012-06-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jun 17, 2012, at 12:44 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 17.06.2012 20:21, schrieb Heiko Adams: Am 17.06.2012 20:15, schrieb drago01: By that logic we could just stop development today. +1 mhh and some changes for the sake of the change are showing that there are things which are

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-17 Thread Richard Hughes
On 17 June 2012 18:49, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: You're asserting that dbus-daemon etc cannot be restarted, but without saying why. Okay, I'll say why. The core protocol was never designed to support the dbus-daemon being restarted.  The current design may make restarting

Re: Replacing grubby with grub2-mkconfig in kernel install process

2012-06-17 Thread Matej Cepl
On 17/06/12 20:15, drago01 wrote: By that logic we could just stop development today. Yes, and there are places where we should. That is to stop reinventing the wheel. Matěj -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-17 Thread Benny Amorsen
Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com writes: It takes me 4 seconds to POST, boot the kernel, get into system-update.service, and then reboot. Using a new rpm version, applying several dozen test updates takes another 20 seconds. Your hardware is too cheap. BIOS boot time is proportional to

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-17 Thread drago01
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:24 AM, Benny Amorsen benny+use...@amorsen.dk wrote: Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com writes: It takes me 4 seconds to POST, boot the kernel, get into system-update.service, and then reboot. Using a new rpm version, applying several dozen test updates takes another

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Seth Johnson
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 17.06.2012 01:14, schrieb Chris Murphy: Please provide an example of a better option, with sufficient detail as to constitute a successful relay of the baton. The point of the thread from the outset was to

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-17 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 17 June 2012 11:49, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 05:06:51PM +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: On 17 June 2012 10:53, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: So this is a problem that needs to be solved, but does it require a reboot?  Not really ...

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-17 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 06:49:43PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: You're asserting that dbus-daemon etc cannot be restarted, but without saying why. Because designing an asynchronous messaging bus that can be restarted without losing any messages is a difficult problem. -- Matthew Garrett

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Seth Johnson
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 07:54:17PM -0400, Seth Johnson wrote: On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 17.06.2012 01:14, schrieb Chris Murphy: Please provide an example of

Re: Replacing grubby with grub2-mkconfig in kernel install process

2012-06-17 Thread Josh Boyer
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 12:08 AM, Ben Rosser rosser@gmail.com wrote: It seems to me that we should make the boot menu more consistent somehow. I feel like the simplest solution is just to run grub2-mkconfig at every kernel update, and stop using grubby for this. Then everything would look

Re: Replacing grubby with grub2-mkconfig in kernel install process

2012-06-17 Thread Garrett Holmstrom
On 2012-06-16 21:08, Ben Rosser wrote: It seems to me that we should make the boot menu more consistent somehow. I feel like the simplest solution is just to run grub2-mkconfig at every kernel update, and stop using grubby for this. Then everything would look consistent- the Fedora Linux boot

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Jay Sulzberger
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 07:54:17PM -0400, Seth Johnson wrote: On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 17.06.2012 01:14, schrieb Chris Murphy: Please provide an example of a better

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Jay Sulzberger
On Sun, 17 Jun 2012, Jay Sulzberger wrote: On Mon, 18 Jun 2012, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 07:54:17PM -0400, Seth Johnson wrote: On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 17.06.2012 01:14, schrieb

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Jay Sulzberger
On Sun, 17 Jun 2012, Jay Sulzberger wrote: On Sun, 17 Jun 2012, Jay Sulzberger wrote: On Mon, 18 Jun 2012, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 07:54:17PM -0400, Seth Johnson wrote: On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Jay Sulzberger j...@panix.com wrote: I think 50 million dollars toward buying, and properly arranging the UEFI, of several lots of x86 computers would indeed solve part of the problem you point out. Why not? Why? 50million dollars is a big order,

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Gerald Henriksen
On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 22:01:53 -0400, you wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 07:54:17PM -0400, Seth Johnson wrote: On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 17.06.2012 01:14,

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Jay Sulzberger
On Sun, 17 Jun 2012, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Jay Sulzberger j...@panix.com wrote: I think 50 million dollars toward buying, and properly arranging the UEFI, of several lots of x86 computers would indeed solve part of the problem you point

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Gerald Henriksen
On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:21:14 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: On Mon, 18 Jun 2012, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 07:54:17PM -0400, Seth Johnson wrote: On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 17.06.2012 01:14,

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Gerald Henriksen
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:09:37 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: On Sun, 17 Jun 2012, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Jay Sulzberger j...@panix.com wrote: I think 50 million dollars toward buying, and properly arranging the UEFI, of several lots of x86

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Jay Sulzberger
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012, Gerald Henriksen ghenr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 22:01:53 -0400, you wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 07:54:17PM -0400, Seth Johnson wrote: On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Reindl

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Jay Sulzberger
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012, Gerald Henriksen ghenr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:21:14 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: On Mon, 18 Jun 2012, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 07:54:17PM -0400, Seth Johnson wrote: On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Reindl

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 11:21:14PM -0400, Jay Sulzberger wrote: I think 50 million dollars toward buying, and properly arranging the UEFI, of several lots of x86 computers would indeed solve part of the problem you point out. Why not? Because said machines would cost more than identical

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 11:52:48PM -0400, Jay Sulzberger wrote: So why does the SecureBoot private key require a so much higher cost of administration? Fedora's keys are currently only relevant on hardware where users have voluntarialy installed Fedora. If all x86 machines shipped with a

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Seth Johnson
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:41 AM, Jay Sulzberger j...@panix.com wrote: On Mon, 18 Jun 2012, Gerald Henriksen ghenr...@gmail.com wrote: Not to mention that you are effectively telling anyone not currently using Red Hat Hardware that they can't run Linux, thus eliminating the ability to gain

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:41:20AM -0400, Jay Sulzberger wrote: We do not have to have every motherboard work well with free software. But we do need at least one, and we hope many. What market share Linux has is storngly infuenced by people's ability to install Linux on computers that they

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Jay Sulzberger
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012, Gerald Henriksen ghenr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:09:37 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: On Sun, 17 Jun 2012, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Jay Sulzberger j...@panix.com wrote: I think 50 million dollars toward

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:54:56AM -0400, Seth Johnson wrote: But the best thing is that a free software UEFI would let anybody put their own key as hardware root, and this would stymie the rationalizing of big shots holding root and granting signing services to their hardware. All UEFI

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:56:54AM -0400, Jay Sulzberger wrote: We just need hardware we can install Fedora on, as once we did, without asking Microsoft for permission. System76 have committed to providing hardware without pre-enabled secure boot. -- Matthew Garrett | mj...@srcf.ucam.org

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Seth Johnson
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:58 AM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:54:56AM -0400, Seth Johnson wrote: But the best thing is that a free software UEFI would let anybody put their own key as hardware root, and this would stymie the rationalizing of big shots

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Jay Sulzberger
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 11:21:14PM -0400, Jay Sulzberger wrote: I think 50 million dollars toward buying, and properly arranging the UEFI, of several lots of x86 computers would indeed solve part of the problem you point

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 01:00:33AM -0400, Seth Johnson wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:58 AM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:54:56AM -0400, Seth Johnson wrote: But the best thing is that a free software UEFI would let anybody put their own key as

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 01:09:52AM -0400, Jay Sulzberger wrote: The game is now just about over. What if one day, Microsoft makes it even harder to install Fedora without a Microsoft controlled key? What if, as has already happened with ARM, Microsoft refuses to grant Fedora a special key?

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Seth Johnson
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:14 AM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 01:00:33AM -0400, Seth Johnson wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:58 AM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:54:56AM -0400, Seth Johnson wrote: But the

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Seth Johnson
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 01:09:52AM -0400, Jay Sulzberger wrote: The game is now just about over.  What if one day, Microsoft makes it even harder to install Fedora without a Microsoft controlled key?  What if, as has

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 01:16:37AM -0400, Seth Johnson wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:14 AM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: The machine will have a functional UEFI implementation. Why would we want to replace it? Um, because you're not asking permission? I'm sorry, I

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 01:17:19AM -0400, Seth Johnson wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 01:09:52AM -0400, Jay Sulzberger wrote: The game is now just about over.  What if one day, Microsoft makes it even harder to

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-17 Thread Seth Johnson
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Seth Johnson seth.p.john...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:14 AM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 01:00:33AM -0400, Seth Johnson wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:58 AM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote:

[perl-TheSchwartz] Perl 5.16 rebuild

2012-06-17 Thread Petr Pisar
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[perl-Data-Structure-Util] Perl 5.16 rebuild

2012-06-17 Thread Petr Pisar
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[perl-Ima-DBI] Perl 5.16 rebuild

2012-06-17 Thread Petr Pisar
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[Bug 786080] perl-Shipwright-2.4.32 is available

2012-06-17 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 786080] perl-Shipwright-2.4.32 is available

2012-06-17 Thread bugzilla
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[perl-IPC-SharedCache] Perl 5.16 rebuild

2012-06-17 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 73f54e61ac9e17d44c29a95dc0e42cae1aad928b Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Sun Jun 17 13:32:17 2012 +0200 Perl 5.16 rebuild perl-IPC-SharedCache.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-IPC-SharedCache.spec

[perl-Cache-Cache] Perl 5.16 rebuild

2012-06-17 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 099c38d128b8570cc0d57c1cd685b718f9c72940 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Sun Jun 17 13:32:17 2012 +0200 Perl 5.16 rebuild perl-Cache-Cache.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Cache-Cache.spec b/perl-Cache-Cache.spec

File Test-NoTabs-1.2.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by pghmcfc

2012-06-17 Thread Paul Howarth
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Test-NoTabs: 00128394b3817803a8e003cbc89ee51a Test-NoTabs-1.2.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Test-NoTabs] Update to 1.2

2012-06-17 Thread Paul Howarth
commit 9937d0ac9f8052541e9ddc79ee745d430578b1cd Author: Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org Date: Sun Jun 17 12:58:34 2012 +0100 Update to 1.2 - New upstream release 1.2: - Fix to ignore inc/ for Module::Install - BR: perl(Cwd), perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker), perl(File::Spec),

[perl-Test-NoTabs] Created tag perl-Test-NoTabs-1.2-1.fc18

2012-06-17 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Test-NoTabs-1.2-1.fc18' was created pointing to: 9937d0a... Update to 1.2 -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/perl-devel

File Test-EOL-1.3.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by pghmcfc

2012-06-17 Thread Paul Howarth
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Test-EOL: cbff8e06b0ddefdd37d89ea1be4fabb1 Test-EOL-1.3.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

File Package-Pkg-0.0020.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by iarnell

2012-06-17 Thread Iain Arnell
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Package-Pkg: 47c35b11c07d4ec6a67b3c6b0f81d4b1 Package-Pkg-0.0020.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Package-Pkg] update to 0.0020

2012-06-17 Thread Iain Arnell
commit 1a25c7f3bc22460d93c3c86959f6098b25a80310 Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com Date: Sun Jun 17 07:51:31 2012 -0600 update to 0.0020 .gitignore|1 + perl-Package-Pkg.spec | 10 ++ sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 8 insertions(+), 5

File Catalyst-Model-DBIC-Schema-0.60.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by iarnell

2012-06-17 Thread Iain Arnell
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Catalyst-Model-DBIC-Schema: 1678e306429e5c9475721e3640bd030f Catalyst-Model-DBIC-Schema-0.60.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

File MooseX-Types-Common-0.001008.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by iarnell

2012-06-17 Thread Iain Arnell
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-MooseX-Types-Common: 0346d19397c3a3e83c25d82c23f64549 MooseX-Types-Common-0.001008.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-MooseX-Types-Common] update to 0.001008

2012-06-17 Thread Iain Arnell
commit 5cd9abaf7409a8aa758456a8ab616a763297e7f6 Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com Date: Sun Jun 17 09:09:16 2012 -0600 update to 0.001008 .gitignore|1 + perl-MooseX-Types-Common.spec | 11 +++ sources |2 +- 3 files changed,

[perl-Class-DBI-Pg] Perl 5.16 rebuild

2012-06-17 Thread Petr Pisar
commit a6bf9a81d7b95038edc4fb56651c80be2a295d5b Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Sun Jun 17 17:46:40 2012 +0200 Perl 5.16 rebuild perl-Class-DBI-Pg.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Class-DBI-Pg.spec

[perl-Class-DBI-FromCGI] Perl 5.16 rebuild

2012-06-17 Thread Petr Pisar
commit a65ef7b97a798f4aa6e3367d923fddac0079ead6 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Sun Jun 17 17:46:40 2012 +0200 Perl 5.16 rebuild perl-Class-DBI-FromCGI.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Class-DBI-FromCGI.spec

[perl-Ace] Perl 5.16 rebuild

2012-06-17 Thread Petr Pisar
commit a8f299ad6f30ba46b1cf4c032574760eafe7385b Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Sun Jun 17 17:46:40 2012 +0200 Perl 5.16 rebuild perl-Ace.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Ace.spec b/perl-Ace.spec index 0d24522..b9377e8

[perl-Class-DBI-mysql] Perl 5.16 rebuild

2012-06-17 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 7cfa3bbf80febd52e659c098298ef80a5c513946 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Sun Jun 17 17:46:40 2012 +0200 Perl 5.16 rebuild perl-Class-DBI-mysql.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Class-DBI-mysql.spec

[perl-Class-DBI-Plugin] Perl 5.16 rebuild

2012-06-17 Thread Petr Pisar
commit a7c24a3c529052afe71d28fcb5c1bf9303df508c Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Sun Jun 17 17:46:41 2012 +0200 Perl 5.16 rebuild perl-Class-DBI-Plugin.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Class-DBI-Plugin.spec

[perl-Class-DBI-SQLite] Perl 5.16 rebuild

2012-06-17 Thread Petr Pisar
commit b96b19aae473cb97b90de71eeb3b19429839fd37 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Sun Jun 17 17:46:40 2012 +0200 Perl 5.16 rebuild perl-Class-DBI-SQLite.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Class-DBI-SQLite.spec

[perl-Class-DBI-Pager] Perl 5.16 rebuild

2012-06-17 Thread Petr Pisar
commit b6dabf5cbedbbaa2d9dd5ff7488920042ff59409 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Sun Jun 17 17:46:41 2012 +0200 Perl 5.16 rebuild perl-Class-DBI-Pager.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Class-DBI-Pager.spec

[perl-HTML-Template] Perl 5.16 rebuild

2012-06-17 Thread Petr Pisar
commit f367b70560e40dba0c4b964e1af71016df699593 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Sun Jun 17 17:52:06 2012 +0200 Perl 5.16 rebuild perl-HTML-Template.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-HTML-Template.spec

[Bug 832663] perl-IO-Socket-IP-0.13 is available

2012-06-17 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=832663 --- Comment #1 from Upstream Release Monitoring upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org --- Latest upstream release: 0.13 Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 0.11 URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/IO-Socket-IP/ Please consult the package

[Bug 832663] perl-IO-Socket-IP-0.13 is available

2012-06-17 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=832663 Upstream Release Monitoring upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org changed: What|Removed |Added

[Bug 832825] New: perl-Test-Smoke-1.53 is available

2012-06-17 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=832825 Bug ID: 832825 Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged QA Contact: extras...@fedoraproject.org Severity: unspecified Version: rawhide Priority: unspecified CC:

[perl-Class-DBI-Plugin-DeepAbstractSearch] Perl 5.16 rebuild

2012-06-17 Thread Petr Pisar
commit c0b3c7d180edb60c9723d1fc5d68dac49dcc8c88 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Sun Jun 17 21:51:34 2012 +0200 Perl 5.16 rebuild perl-Class-DBI-Plugin-DeepAbstractSearch.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git

[perl-Class-DBI-Plugin-RetrieveAll] Perl 5.16 rebuild

2012-06-17 Thread Petr Pisar
commit a87c2bcb6127df1295dbee051345b4a264ed54b4 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Sun Jun 17 21:51:35 2012 +0200 Perl 5.16 rebuild perl-Class-DBI-Plugin-RetrieveAll.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git

[perl-Class-DBI-Loader] Perl 5.16 rebuild

2012-06-17 Thread Petr Pisar
commit c18bea543fc879ef35da6391d18f9d6fb2468e16 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Sun Jun 17 21:51:35 2012 +0200 Perl 5.16 rebuild perl-Class-DBI-Loader.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Class-DBI-Loader.spec

[perl-Class-DBI-Plugin-Type] Perl 5.16 rebuild

2012-06-17 Thread Petr Pisar
commit cb1bd6185a5565907c5418c5ae04408fbd928de2 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Sun Jun 17 21:51:35 2012 +0200 Perl 5.16 rebuild perl-Class-DBI-Plugin-Type.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Class-DBI-Plugin-Type.spec

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