update installation timing (was Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18))

2012-06-20 Thread Stijn Hoop
Hi, On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:22:26 + (UTC) Ben Boeckel maths...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 13:19:13 GMT, Michal Hlavinka wrote: I wonder if it would be possible to do it on shutdown instead of during start up? I usually do not care if shutdown takes ten seconds or five

Re: Replacing grubby with grub2-mkconfig in kernel install process

2012-06-20 Thread Gerd Hoffmann
Hi, Which is one of a number of reasons why I then suggested that instead of replacing grubby entirely, we could simply patch grubby to call grub2-mkconfig if the bootloader is grub2. That would accomplish everything I wanted to achieve (compliance with /etc/grub.d and /etc/default/grub,

Re: F18 DNF and history

2012-06-20 Thread Ales Kozumplik
On 06/19/2012 08:23 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: Would it be helpful, if there was a list of extensively used options so that DNF knew what high notes it needed to hit sooner rather than later? Absolutely, I created a wiki page for it: https://github.com/akozumpl/dnf/wiki/Features-backlog

Re: F18 DNF and history

2012-06-20 Thread Nikola Pajkovsky
Angus Salkeld asalk...@redhat.com writes: On 19/06/12 10:51 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 15:33 +0200, Ales Kozumplik wrote: On 06/19/2012 02:44 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: Hi, I have a question about DNF https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DNF Are there any

Re: F18 DNF and history

2012-06-20 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2012/6/20 Nikola Pajkovsky npajk...@redhat.com: Angus Salkeld asalk...@redhat.com writes: On 19/06/12 10:51 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 15:33 +0200, Ales Kozumplik wrote: On 06/19/2012 02:44 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: Hi, I have a question about DNF

Re: Default image target size [Was:Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)]

2012-06-20 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 22:14 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 06/19/2012 09:03 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: I'll add to that to note that we now have Xfce, LXDE and Sugar all on the DVD. Which should have been added to the release blocker process when

Re: Default image target size [Was:Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)]

2012-06-20 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - It's worth noting that we certainly have shipped non-blocking spins in completely broken states in past releases, and there is at present nothing to prevent this happening. There is zero guarantee of testing for non-blocking spins. QA did no formal validation of

Re: Default image target size [Was:Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)]

2012-06-20 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - As far as QA is concerned it's entirely your decision (as a personal note to self, I'll have to update the Deliverables SOP draft). We just need to know so we know what limit to check against in testing. As a personal comment, though, doesn't this seem a

Re: update installation timing (was Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18))

2012-06-20 Thread Richard Hughes
On 20 June 2012 08:08, Stijn Hoop st...@sandcat.nl wrote: I agree that mind reading computers may not be the final answer... Well, switching to system-update.service from a running desktop should probably kill off everything and start the offline update, so that would be possible with the new

Re: DNF Any testing time-frame?

2012-06-20 Thread tim.laurid...@gmail.com
Would it not be better to work with yum upstream to make the current yum depsolver more modular so you could plugin another libsolv based depsolver, instead of making a fork of yum and starts trashing the current API. There is a lot more to yum, that just solving dependencies. And making a fork

Re: update installation timing (was Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18))

2012-06-20 Thread Stijn Hoop
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:22:22 +0100 Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 June 2012 08:08, Stijn Hoop st...@sandcat.nl wrote: I agree that mind reading computers may not be the final answer... Well, switching to system-update.service from a running desktop should probably kill off

boot chaining works, then? (Re: Replacing grubby with grub2-mkconfig in kernel install process)

2012-06-20 Thread Joel Rees
So, ... On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: On Jun 18, 2012, at 4:08 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Chris Murphy wrote: Grubby does not work fine with GRUB 2, it creates sloppy menu lists that eventually break the advanced menu entries, as well as totally

Re: Replacing grubby with grub2-mkconfig in kernel install process

2012-06-20 Thread Joel Rees
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: On Jun 18, 2012, at 6:36 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Chris Murphy wrote: On Jun 18, 2012, at 4:08 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Chris Murphy wrote: Grubby does not work fine with GRUB 2, it creates sloppy menu lists that

Re: (re)starting of a daemon after package update

2012-06-20 Thread Björn Persson
Michal Hlavinka wrote: Correct approach would be to save state before installation of new version starts and start dovecot (if flag is set) after old version is removed - that would mean %postun script. This does not seem to work on reinstall (the same version is installed) - %postun script

Re: Replacing grubby with grub2-mkconfig in kernel install process

2012-06-20 Thread Joel Rees
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:49 AM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@j2solutions.net wrote: On 06/19/2012 04:32 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 19.06.2012 09:53, schrieb drago01: On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote: On 18/06/12 09:30, drago01 wrote: This would just

Re: Replacing grubby with grub2-mkconfig in kernel install process

2012-06-20 Thread Peter Jones
On 06/19/2012 11:57 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 23:28 -0400, Ben Rosser wrote: So far, the only actual arguments against this (specifically, the above solution to the problem) I've heard is that it breaks being able to configure /boot/grub2/grub.cfg by hand. But that's

Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-20 Thread Chris Lumens
Again: I'm perfectly happy if it is rejected as a feature. I don't really care either way. What I'd really hate to see is a checkbox in the installer so we are compelled to test both variations... Yeah, I won't be adding any checkboxes to have people pick their /tmp style. - Chris -- devel

Weekly ARM status meeting - Wed 2012/06/20

2012-06-20 Thread Paul Whalen
Good day all, This weeks Fedora ARM status meeting will take place today (Wednesday June 20th) in #fedora-meeting-1 on Freenode. Times in various time zones (please let us know if these do not work): PDT: 1pm MDT: 2pm CDT: 3pm EDT: 4pm UTC: 8pm BST: 9pm CST: 10pm Current items on the agenda:

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-20 Thread Gerald Henriksen
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:40:14 +0900, you wrote: On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:56:20 +0100 Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: System76 (and possibly others) will be supplying systems that provide (2), so that choice is available to you. Matthew, I often read you referring to System76, since

Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-20 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 06/20/2012 03:35 PM, Chris Lumens wrote: Again: I'm perfectly happy if it is rejected as a feature. I don't really care either way. What I'd really hate to see is a checkbox in the installer so we are compelled to test both variations... Yeah, I won't be adding any checkboxes to have

Re: multilib conflict with doxygen generated pdf

2012-06-20 Thread Than Ngo
I think I got this fixed in doxygen-1.8.1.1-2.fc18 : http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=325050 I'll talk to than about getting a fixed build for f17 too -- rex Thanks for all the answers and thanks for the fixed doxygen. I'll try to build the package I have

Re: (re)starting of a daemon after package update

2012-06-20 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.06.2012 14:32, schrieb Björn Persson: Michal Hlavinka wrote: Correct approach would be to save state before installation of new version starts and start dovecot (if flag is set) after old version is removed - that would mean %postun script. This does not seem to work on reinstall

Re: Replacing grubby with grub2-mkconfig in kernel install process

2012-06-20 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.06.2012 14:33, schrieb Joel Rees: A) continue using grub1 and continue working with diminishing resources to keep grub1 working in the new environments a boot loader will be needed in. B) consume what upstream gives us in the form of grub2. C) Maintain grub1 ourselves (not that I'm

Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-20 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.06.2012 16:11, schrieb Ralf Corsepius: On 06/20/2012 03:35 PM, Chris Lumens wrote: Again: I'm perfectly happy if it is rejected as a feature. I don't really care either way. What I'd really hate to see is a checkbox in the installer so we are compelled to test both variations...

Re: F18 DNF and history

2012-06-20 Thread James Antill
On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 08:28 +1000, Angus Salkeld wrote: On 19/06/12 10:51 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 15:33 +0200, Ales Kozumplik wrote: On 06/19/2012 02:44 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: Hi, I have a question about DNF https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DNF

Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-20 Thread Joel Rees
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 12:28 AM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote: On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 08:44:38AM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Matthias Clasen wrote: Its not his ignorance - he's on vacation for the next two weeks... Brian replied to Lennart 7 minutes after Lennart's e-mail and

Re: Replacing grubby with grub2-mkconfig in kernel install process

2012-06-20 Thread Ben Rosser
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Peter Jones pjo...@redhat.com wrote: I think what's actually needed is a small patch to grubby to make it keep track of the bounding block the current default is in and add the new bounding block there, so that we don't accidentally change the cosmetic

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-20 Thread nomnex
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:57:58 -0400 Gerald Henriksen ghenr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:40:14 +0900, you wrote: On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:56:20 +0100 Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: System76 (and possibly others) will be supplying systems that provide (2), so

File Glib-1.260.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

2012-06-20 Thread Petr Pisar
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Glib: faa052bdf6e9b87ea30b630c2806e71e Glib-1.260.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Glib] 1.260 bump

2012-06-20 Thread Petr Pisar
commit b680de6aa6a8bc3f2aa2920809fc1d3f537350df Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Wed Jun 20 17:06:16 2012 +0200 1.260 bump Required by perl-Gtk3-0.006. .gitignore |1 + perl-Glib.spec | 37 ++--- sources|2 +- 3

Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-20 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 21.06.12 00:01, Joel Rees (joel.r...@gmail.com) wrote: If Puttering really went on vacation after dropping a bombshell like My name is Poettering, not Puttering. community to do the grunt work on his Master's thesis on things that My master's thesis? Nah, no thanks, already got a

Re: Replacing grubby with grub2-mkconfig in kernel install process

2012-06-20 Thread Peter Jones
On 06/20/2012 11:04 AM, Ben Rosser wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Peter Jones pjo...@redhat.com mailto:pjo...@redhat.com wrote: I think what's actually needed is a small patch to grubby to make it keep track of the bounding block the current default is in and add the new

Re: update installation timing (was Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18))

2012-06-20 Thread Richard Hughes
On 20 June 2012 12:51, Stijn Hoop st...@sandcat.nl wrote: Good to know, thanks -- although I wonder, in what capacity is this supported then? Well, I've got no idea if it works at all, let alone if it works well ;) Would you / others be willing to deal with both update timings in this

Re: Escalation - better desktop printing policy (over two years old issue)

2012-06-20 Thread Marek Kasik
Hi, On 06/15/2012 09:30 AM, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Fedora still has quite strict printing policies even if users choose to be a part of Administrator group during installation still need to input passwords while changing even the minor printer settings (like unpausing). This is

Re: (re)starting of a daemon after package update

2012-06-20 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 06/20/2012 03:37 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 20.06.2012 14:32, schrieb Björn Persson: Michal Hlavinka wrote: Correct approach would be to save state before installation of new version starts and start dovecot (if flag is set) after old version is removed - that would mean %postun script.

Re: (re)starting of a daemon after package update

2012-06-20 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 06/20/2012 06:42 PM, Panu Matilainen wrote: On 06/20/2012 03:37 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 20.06.2012 14:32, schrieb Björn Persson: Michal Hlavinka wrote: Correct approach would be to save state before installation of new version starts and start dovecot (if flag is set) after old

Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-20 Thread Peter Jones
On 06/20/2012 10:16 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 20.06.2012 16:11, schrieb Ralf Corsepius: On 06/20/2012 03:35 PM, Chris Lumens wrote: Again: I'm perfectly happy if it is rejected as a feature. I don't really care either way. What I'd really hate to see is a checkbox in the installer so we

default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread Simo Sorce
Ok, I guess this topic has been brought up before, but I think some things changed recently that would warrant seriously considering adding a default caching name server in fedora installs. There are at least 2 situations where it is needed, and they are common or will be common enough. The 2

[389-devel] please review ticket 328 - make sure all internal search filters are properly escaped

2012-06-20 Thread Mark Reynolds
https://fedorahosted.org/389/ticket/328 https://fedorahosted.org/389/attachment/ticket/328/0001-Ticket-328-make-sure-all-internal-search-filters-are.patch Thanks, Mark -- Mark Reynolds Senior Software Engineer Red Hat, Inc mreyno...@redhat.com -- 389-devel mailing list

Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-20 Thread DJ Delorie
Since you can look at it either way in that regard, it's completely reasonable to have the option that's best for most users as the default. As I see it, that's to enable tmpfs for /tmp . Given a choice between works for everyone and works well for most, but fails in obscure ways for some,

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:47:17 -0400 Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com wrote: Ok, I guess this topic has been brought up before, but I think some things changed recently that would warrant seriously considering adding a default caching name server in fedora installs. ...snip... Discuss. You can

Re: (re)starting of a daemon after package update

2012-06-20 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.06.2012 17:42, schrieb Panu Matilainen: On 06/20/2012 03:37 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 20.06.2012 14:32, schrieb Björn Persson: Michal Hlavinka wrote: Correct approach would be to save state before installation of new version starts and start dovecot (if flag is set) after old

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 10:01 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:47:17 -0400 Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com wrote: Ok, I guess this topic has been brought up before, but I think some things changed recently that would warrant seriously considering adding a default caching name

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:05:57 -0400 Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com wrote: Yes this is all good 'n' nice. The point is, can we/should we/want we make this the default ? (And work on integrating NM - unbound automatic configuration ?) I'd be in favor of that. ;) I don't want to speak for the

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread Bill Nottingham
Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) said: Of course for this to work properly we need some level of integration between Network Manager and the DNS caching server so that the dynamic configurations can be pushed in/out when the related networks come up/down. Discuss. man NetworkManager.conf:

Re: (re)starting of a daemon after package update

2012-06-20 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 06/20/2012 06:59 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 20.06.2012 17:42, schrieb Panu Matilainen: On 06/20/2012 03:37 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 20.06.2012 14:32, schrieb Björn Persson: Michal Hlavinka wrote: Correct approach would be to save state before installation of new version starts and

Re: Replacing grubby with grub2-mkconfig in kernel install process

2012-06-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 09:21 -0400, Peter Jones wrote: On 06/19/2012 11:57 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 23:28 -0400, Ben Rosser wrote: So far, the only actual arguments against this (specifically, the above solution to the problem) I've heard is that it breaks being

Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-20 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 06/20/2012 05:45 PM, Peter Jones wrote: On 06/20/2012 10:16 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 20.06.2012 16:11, schrieb Ralf Corsepius: On 06/20/2012 03:35 PM, Chris Lumens wrote: Again: I'm perfectly happy if it is rejected as a feature. I don't really care either way. What I'd really hate to

Re: Replacing grubby with grub2-mkconfig in kernel install process

2012-06-20 Thread Peter Jones
On 06/20/2012 12:42 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 09:21 -0400, Peter Jones wrote: On 06/19/2012 11:57 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 23:28 -0400, Ben Rosser wrote: So far, the only actual arguments against this (specifically, the above solution to the

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 12:21 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) said: Of course for this to work properly we need some level of integration between Network Manager and the DNS caching server so that the dynamic configurations can be pushed in/out when the related

Re: Replacing grubby with grub2-mkconfig in kernel install process

2012-06-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 21:33 +0900, Joel Rees wrote: You seem to think we, the Fedora project, have any sort of sway as to how things get written in their various upstreams. We don't, except for very few cases. Our choices here with grub2 are A) continue using grub1 and continue

FSF address fix and timestamps

2012-06-20 Thread Sergio Belkin
Hi Fedora community, I know that I can fix the new address of sources files with sed (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging_tricks#Wrong_FSF_address). I think that timestamp should not be preserved because it's a change, a really small change, but a change after all , what do you think?

Re: Default image target size [Was:Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)]

2012-06-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 04:46 -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: We get help fairly often for GNOME and KDE, and satellit_ usually covers Sugar, but we very rarely get anything for Xfce or LXDE. The main issue here is - the TC/RC images are released too fast to be able to fill in the matrix

Re: Replacing grubby with grub2-mkconfig in kernel install process

2012-06-20 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 09:59:33AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: Well, someone already pointed to http://people.freedesktop.org/~kay/loader/ , which seems intriguing. I haven't read anything Kay's said publicly about it, though. Of course, it's UEFI-specific. Which is a good reason for it

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread Jesse Keating
On 06/20/2012 09:57 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 12:21 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) said: Of course for this to work properly we need some level of integration between Network Manager and the DNS caching server so that the dynamic

Re: (re)starting of a daemon after package update

2012-06-20 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.06.2012 18:26, schrieb Panu Matilainen: i was there, i saw was happened on dist-upgrades, i fixed them i saw a dist-upgrade on the fist-testmachine restart httpd which failed for some reason and AFTER some time you could start httpd again * i rebuilt the httpd package * i removed the

Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-20 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.06.2012 18:49, schrieb Ralf Corsepius: Since you can look at it either way in that regard, it's completely reasonable to have the option that's best for most users as the default. As I see it, that's to enable tmpfs for /tmp . Again: It is not reasonable, it's generally and

Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-20 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: i bet now someone is coming up wth he must not dump a 100 Gb file to /tmp this is the wrong perspective the right one is the system must not crash if someone does Good thing it doesn't. -- devel mailing list

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-20 Thread Seth Johnson
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:04 AM, nomnex nom...@gmail.com wrote: Things have changed. That's a good news (for once). Thanks for the update. Bravo, so apparently there is a leader on this, a free software UEFI on its own trustworthy hardware, that hopefully will tell the truth to the user about

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-20 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 01:19:22PM -0400, Seth Johnson wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:04 AM, nomnex nom...@gmail.com wrote: Things have changed. That's a good news (for once). Thanks for the update. Bravo, so apparently there is a leader on this, a free software UEFI on its own

Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-20 Thread Jef Spaleta
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: Thats not true (and I've used tmpfs for tmp for years, so I'm speaking from experience)— tmpfs is backed by swap on demand. Just add the space that you would have used for /tmp to your swap. I am _very_ concerned about

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-20 Thread Seth Johnson
Proceed to the next paragraph then. ;-) Seth On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 01:19:22PM -0400, Seth Johnson wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:04 AM, nomnex nom...@gmail.com wrote: Things have changed. That's a good news

Re: Replacing grubby with grub2-mkconfig in kernel install process

2012-06-20 Thread Naheem Zaffar
would fixing this also fix the bug where installing a new kernel changes the default boot OS even when the default is non Linux? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Replacing grubby with grub2-mkconfig in kernel install process

2012-06-20 Thread Peter Jones
On 06/20/2012 01:32 PM, Naheem Zaffar wrote: would fixing this also fix the bug where installing a new kernel changes the default boot OS even when the default is non Linux? What's the bugzilla number for that? -- Peter -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: FSF address fix and timestamps

2012-06-20 Thread Alec Leamas
On 06/20/2012 06:59 PM, Sergio Belkin wrote: Hi Fedora community, I know that I can fix the new address of sources files with sed (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging_tricks#Wrong_FSF_address). I think that timestamp should not be preserved because it's a change, a really small change, but

Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-20 Thread Brian Wheeler
So, how does this scenario work? * The machine has 4G of RAM, * 50% RAM is being used by actual software (firefox, eclipse, mail client, etc), so the other 50% is pagecache * The machine has 4G of swap, none of which is active. So then a user drops a 8.5G DVD image into /tmp. On a

Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-20 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Jef Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote: As a sysadmin...for a multi-seat configuration in a home network environment...do I really need to anticipate maximum large file tmp usage in calculating my swap partition size for my multi-user family? 8 gigs of ram... so

Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-20 Thread Jef Spaleta
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: Tmpfs volumes have a size set as a mount option. The default is half the physical ram (not physical ram plus swap). You can change the size with a remount. When its full, its full, like any other filesystem Okay that

Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-20 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Brian Wheeler bdwhe...@indiana.edu said: So, how does this scenario work? * The machine has 4G of RAM, * 50% RAM is being used by actual software (firefox, eclipse, mail client, etc), so the other 50% is pagecache * The machine has 4G of swap, none of which is active.

Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-20 Thread Brian Wheeler
On 06/20/2012 01:41 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: What happens when I have 2 users who are both downloading dvd iso sized images into /tmp as well as other things going on. Remind me... where does firefox by default cache in progress downloads for the Open in facility. Isn't it down in tmp?

Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-20 Thread Frank Murphy
On 20/06/12 18:55, Chris Adams wrote: 2G gets written and then -ENOSPC. 2G gets pushed to swap. The default for tmpfs mounts is an fs that is sized to RAM/2. What is the scenario, where it's a KVM host and 3/4 physical ram is assigned to Guests? -- Regards, Frank Jack of all, fubars --

Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-20 Thread Brian Wheeler
On 06/20/2012 01:55 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Brian Wheeler bdwhe...@indiana.edu said: So, how does this scenario work? * The machine has 4G of RAM, * 50% RAM is being used by actual software (firefox, eclipse, mail client, etc), so the other 50% is pagecache * The machine

Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-20 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net said: it is simply a fact that drop a 100 or 200 Gb file into tmpfs will bring down each machine existing currently and in the next No, it won't. Also, the default partitioning scheme for the existing Fedora setup (with /tmp on /) also

Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-20 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Jef Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: Tmpfs volumes have a size set as a mount option. The default is half the physical ram (not physical ram plus swap). You can change the size with a

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread John Ellson
Simo, For the VPN scenario I've been happily using dnrd for some time. I use it to steer DNS requests for mycompany.com to the company's DNS servers, and all other DNS requests to the external servers. Unlike just adding the company DNS servers to /etc/resolv.conf, this never uses the

Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-20 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.06.2012 19:18, schrieb Gregory Maxwell: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: i bet now someone is coming up wth he must not dump a 100 Gb file to /tmp this is the wrong perspective the right one is the system must not crash if someone does

Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-20 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.06.2012 19:41, schrieb Gregory Maxwell: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Jef Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote: As a sysadmin...for a multi-seat configuration in a home network environment...do I really need to anticipate maximum large file tmp usage in calculating my swap partition

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread Paul Wouters
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012, Simo Sorce wrote: There are at least 2 situations where it is needed, and they are common or will be common enough. The 2 use cases for which a properly configurable and dynamically changeable caching DNA name server would be really useful are: - DNSSEC verification -

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread Paul Wouters
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Connect your vpn, etc. Then tell unbound what you want it to do: unbound-control forward_add redhat.com x.x.x.x y.y.y.y unbound-control forward_add yourdomain z.z.z.z (unbound-control gives you a lot of control, you can flush cache, setup forward, see

DNS handling was Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread Paul Wouters
People have might missed it before, but Fedora does a lot now with handling the various DNS manglings it can encounter in the wild. If you install dnssec-trigger from rawhide, then your DNS will be automatically configured using DNSSEC and with as much security as possible, while detecting

Re: time to fix silly ssh bug

2012-06-20 Thread Charles Zeitler
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote I just tested a fresh install from F17 desktop live; the /home/user directory created after firstboot is 700. /home/user created by s-c-u is 700. /home/user created by useradd is 700. /home/user created by GNOME

Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-20 Thread Brian Wheeler
On 06/20/2012 02:16 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Jef Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: Tmpfs volumes have a size set as a mount option. The default is half the physical ram (not physical

[perl-Test-YAML-Valid] Perl 5.16 rebuild

2012-06-20 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 4ae6dbd2a14d7bb7afa360937c34d4cf10efe896 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Wed Jun 20 23:02:00 2012 +0200 Perl 5.16 rebuild perl-Test-YAML-Valid.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Test-YAML-Valid.spec

[perl-DateTime-Format-Oracle] Perl 5.16 rebuild

2012-06-20 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 8bd30f03664d32ca48170b3b0b4e7d2be77863de Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Wed Jun 20 23:02:02 2012 +0200 Perl 5.16 rebuild perl-DateTime-Format-Oracle.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-DateTime-Format-Oracle.spec

[perl-XML-XQL] Perl 5.16 rebuild

2012-06-20 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 7d10dea09b7d746986f4616712ffa71a0cb70e4a Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Wed Jun 20 23:02:18 2012 +0200 Perl 5.16 rebuild perl-XML-XQL.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-XML-XQL.spec b/perl-XML-XQL.spec index

[perl-Module-Inspector] Perl 5.16 rebuild

2012-06-20 Thread Petr Pisar
commit eb4899e677d45cecf89c9647d37a94ff0f001478 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Wed Jun 20 23:02:46 2012 +0200 Perl 5.16 rebuild perl-Module-Inspector.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Module-Inspector.spec

[perl-DateTime-Format-Pg] Perl 5.16 rebuild

2012-06-20 Thread Petr Pisar
commit f219f305e10fcf847ed1c76e8afb9e52541672e9 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Wed Jun 20 23:02:47 2012 +0200 Perl 5.16 rebuild perl-DateTime-Format-Pg.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-DateTime-Format-Pg.spec

Re: Replacing grubby with grub2-mkconfig in kernel install process

2012-06-20 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jun 19, 2012, at 9:57 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: grub2-mkconfig is inherently a more 'destructive' operation than grubby, is really my only thought. But I wouldn't mind the change much at all. pjones' opinion would be the most valuable to have, I guess. FWIW, grub-mkconfig writes out a

[perl-Module-Starter-PBP] Perl 5.16 rebuild

2012-06-20 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 733652197f0c60ea910498f3fd815786206b3cf9 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Wed Jun 20 23:08:29 2012 +0200 Perl 5.16 rebuild perl-Module-Starter-PBP.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Module-Starter-PBP.spec

[perl-Test-Database] Perl 5.16 rebuild

2012-06-20 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 09c7d5107a433b403576d24f43d48d84f0b22694 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Wed Jun 20 23:09:15 2012 +0200 Perl 5.16 rebuild perl-Test-Database.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Test-Database.spec

Re: FSF address fix and timestamps

2012-06-20 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:59:26 -0300, Sergio Belkin wrote: Hi Fedora community, I know that I can fix the new address of sources files with sed (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging_tricks#Wrong_FSF_address). I think that timestamp should not be preserved because it's a change, a really

Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-20 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Brian Wheeler bdwhe...@indiana.edu wrote: But in any case the I/O advantages have never been shown, despite multiple requests by myself and others. I posted some example numbers earlier in this thread. e.g. make on an already compiled firefox source was half

[Bug 833723] perltidy-20120619 is available

2012-06-20 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=833723 Ville Skyttä ville.sky...@iki.fi changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |CLOSED Fixed In

Fedora ARM status meeting minutes 2012-06-20

2012-06-20 Thread Paul Whalen
Good day all, Thanks to those who were able to join us for the weekly status meeting today. For those that were unable, the minutes are posted below: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-06-20/fedora-meeting-1.2012-06-20-20.00.html Minutes (text):

Re: Default image target size [Was:Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)]

2012-06-20 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:25:50 -0700 Jesse Keating jkeat...@j2solutions.net escribió: On 06/19/2012 03:59 PM, Jef Spaleta wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: Again anything that gets handed out

Re: Default image target size [Was:Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)]

2012-06-20 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com escribió: As reaction to approved MiniDebugInfo feature, we agreed on KDE SIG meeting that we would have to break CD size limit (and the breaking of CD size image was used

Re: FSF address fix and timestamps

2012-06-20 Thread Sergio Belkin
2012/6/20 Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:59:26 -0300, Sergio Belkin wrote: Hi Fedora community, I know that I can fix the new address of sources files with sed (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging_tricks#Wrong_FSF_address).  I think that timestamp should

Introduction regarding VirtualGL and bumblebee review requests

2012-06-20 Thread Gary Gatling
Hello, As per the instructions at the web page at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_package_collection_maintainers I wanted to give a brief introduction. My name is Gary Gatling and I work at North Carolina State University supporting Linux in the college of engineering. I mainly work with

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 10:19 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:05:57 -0400 Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com wrote: Yes this is all good 'n' nice. The point is, can we/should we/want we make this the default ? (And work on integrating NM - unbound automatic configuration ?)

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 16:24 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012, Simo Sorce wrote: There are at least 2 situations where it is needed, and they are common or will be common enough. The 2 use cases for which a properly configurable and dynamically changeable caching DNA name

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