Re: using rpms for non-root installs

2013-01-31 Thread Jan Zelený
On 30. 1. 2013 at 16:06:35, Mátyás Selmeci wrote: Hi, This may be a long shot, but I am interested in repackaging some RPMs (for example, some of the Globus packages in EPEL, as well as grid software that my group builds) such that the software in them may be installed by unprivileged users,

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Developers Assistant

2013-01-31 Thread Jan Zelený
On 30. 1. 2013 at 15:54:25, Bill Nottingham wrote: Jan Zelený (jzel...@redhat.com) said: I've already started to work on that as well. Currently I'm putting together topics from Fedora wiki that are eligible to be on such page, either as they are or with some (rather minor) modifications.

Re: [perl/f17] Mark perl-IO-Compress as noarch

2013-01-31 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 01/31/2013 09:16 AM, Petr Pisar wrote: commit 5ccf12aabce2eed4b0216d42c75ff87953265169 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Thu Jan 31 09:12:32 2013 +0100 Mark perl-IO-Compress as noarch https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=906095 perl.spec |1 + 1 files

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-31 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 04:23:43PM -0500, TK009 wrote: From where I sit, I am not convinced the Gnome team did any of that either beyond lip service. 6 versions to return shutdown speaks for itself. I saw this negativity was also on Phoronix, where someone else commented in a similar way: Are

Re: Command line arguments depend on locale

2013-01-31 Thread Petr Pisar
On 2013-01-30, Benny Amorsen benny+use...@amorsen.dk wrote: Apparently ping has now started interpreting its command line arguments depending on locale. I.e. ping -i 0.1 no longer works in locales where comma is the decimal separator. This makes it difficult to call system commands. The only

Proposed F19 Feature: KVM Device Failover

2013-01-31 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Features/Virt Device Failover = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Virt_Device_Failover Feature owner(s): Michael S. Tsirkin m...@redhat.com, Gal Hammer ham...@redhat.com, Cole Robinson crobi...@redhat.com, Laine Stump la...@redhat.com Support for transparent failover between an assigned

Proposed F19 Feature: Yesod Web Framework

2013-01-31 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Features/YesodWebFramework = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/YesodWebFramework Feature owner(s): Jens Petersen peter...@redhat.com, Michel Salim, Ben Boeckel Yesod is a Haskell web framework for productive development of type-safe, RESTful, high performance web applications. ==

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 30/01/2013 Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Features/ApacheOpenOffice = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ApacheOpenOffice Feature owner(s): Andrea Pescetti Thank you everybody for your feedback so far. It has now been incorporated in the wiki page: - Tentative release date for OpenOffice 4

Re: Command line arguments depend on locale

2013-01-31 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:05:16AM +0100, Benny Amorsen wrote: This makes it difficult to call system commands. The only workaround is to set LC_ALL to a known-good locale, but then your users get no benefit from the translations of error messages and so on. You should *always* set LC_ALL=C

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-31 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:06:51AM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 31.01.2013 09:55, schrieb Olav Vitters: On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 04:23:43PM -0500, TK009 wrote: From where I sit, I am not convinced the Gnome team did any of that either beyond lip service. 6 versions to return shutdown

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 01/31/2013 04:00 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: If somebody is attending FOSDEM in Brussels this weekend and can help with technical suggestions on packaging/integration, please let me know (or just visit the OpenOffice devroom on Saturday or the OpenOffice stand on Saturday/Sunday). I am

File MIME-tools-5.504.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by pghmcfc

2013-01-31 Thread Paul Howarth
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-MIME-tools: 8e055aab88552710377b4727b23bfb70 MIME-tools-5.504.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Ruby based bsfilter packager wanted!

2013-01-31 Thread Michael Schwendt
Hello everyone! Is there any existing packager (or a new one without an account yet) with interest in becoming the Fedora packager for the following script, which is written in Ruby? http://sourceforge.jp/projects/bsfilter/ We would need that as a dependency for a Claws Mail plug-in.

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Thursday 31 of January 2013 10:00:13 Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 30/01/2013 Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Features/ApacheOpenOffice = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ApacheOpenOffice Feature owner(s): Andrea Pescetti Thank you everybody for your feedback so far. It has now been

Proposed F19 Feature: Less Brittle Kerberos

2013-01-31 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Features/LessBrittleKerberos = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/LessBrittleKerberos Feature owner(s): Stef Walter st...@redhat.com Make kerberos in Fedora simpler to use by removing some of the brittleness that are common failure points. In particular we remove the need for kerberos

Proposed F19 Feature: QXL/Spice KMS Driver

2013-01-31 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Features/QXLKMSSupport = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/QXLKMSSupport Feature owner(s): Alon Levy al...@redhat.com Currently the QXL driver is X.org only, a KMS driver is required to move forward with projects like spice 3D, and also to allow more features to be show in virt

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Marina Latini
Hi all, I'm an Ambassador and this proposal is confusing me. We have LibreOffice in our repositories; I think that bring back Apache OpenOffice generates only confusion between users, not freedom of choice. LibreOffice is under big development, the suite is fresh, updated, full of new features,

Re: Ruby based bsfilter packager wanted!

2013-01-31 Thread Mamoru TASAKA
Hello: Michael Schwendt wrote, at 01/31/2013 07:58 PM +9:00: Hello everyone! Is there any existing packager (or a new one without an account yet) with interest in becoming the Fedora packager for the following script, which is written in Ruby? http://sourceforge.jp/projects/bsfilter/ We

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: QXL/Spice KMS Driver

2013-01-31 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 31.1.2013 12:52, Jaroslav Reznik napsal(a): = Features/QXLKMSSupport = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/QXLKMSSupport Feature owner(s): Alon Levy al...@redhat.com Currently the QXL driver is X.org only, a KMS driver is required to move forward with projects like spice 3D, and also

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-31 Thread Tom Callaway
On 01/28/2013 12:45 PM, Richard Marko wrote: On 01/28/2013 05:56 PM, inode0 wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics#Total_repository_connections I'm wondering if there was an effort to provide package usage statistics for Fedora. Having such data might be valuable when there's a

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Martin Sourada
Hi Marina, On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 13:14:41 +0100 Marina Latini wrote: Hi all, I'm an Ambassador and this proposal is confusing me. We have LibreOffice in our repositories; I think that bring back Apache OpenOffice generates only confusion between users, not freedom of choice. The confusion

review swap: rubygems related packages

2013-01-31 Thread Mamoru TASAKA
Hello, all: I have some packages related to rubygems ready for review and I would like to swap reviews. Each package is small and should not take so much time. rubygem-levenshtein https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=891970 rubygem-gobject-introspection

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/30/2013 12:44 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Features/ApacheOpenOffice = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ApacheOpenOffice Feature owner(s): Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org Add Apache OpenOffice, the free productivity suite, to Fedora. == Detailed description == Apache

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/31/2013 12:28 PM, Martin Sourada wrote: Hi Marina, On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 13:14:41 +0100 Marina Latini wrote: Hi all, I'm an Ambassador and this proposal is confusing me. We have LibreOffice in our repositories; I think that bring back Apache OpenOffice generates only confusion between

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Martin Sourada
On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 12:43:58 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 01/31/2013 12:28 PM, Martin Sourada wrote: Hi Marina, On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 13:14:41 +0100 Marina Latini wrote: Hi all, I'm an Ambassador and this proposal is confusing me. We have LibreOffice in our repositories;

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Marina Latini
On 31 January 2013 13:28, Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com wrote: The confusion is already there in Windows world, linux user should be more capable of treating it as freedom of choice instead of confusion. Also, since Apache took over OpenOffice.org and put it out of incubation, it

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: QXL/Spice KMS Driver

2013-01-31 Thread Alon Levy
Dne 31.1.2013 12:52, Jaroslav Reznik napsal(a): = Features/QXLKMSSupport = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/QXLKMSSupport Feature owner(s): Alon Levy al...@redhat.com Currently the QXL driver is X.org only, a KMS driver is required to move forward with projects like spice

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Mark Wielaard
On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 12:43 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Why now? This might give some background: https://lwn.net/Articles/532665/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Robert Mayr
2013/1/31 Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com Hi Marina, On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 13:14:41 +0100 Marina Latini wrote: Hi all, I'm an Ambassador and this proposal is confusing me. We have LibreOffice in our repositories; I think that bring back Apache OpenOffice generates only

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Marina Latini
On 31 January 2013 14:13, Mark Wielaard m...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 12:43 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Why now? This might give some background: https://lwn.net/Articles/532665/ Are you talking about the donation of Symphony's source code? Please, take a look here:

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Matej Cepl
On 2013-01-31, 12:14 GMT, Marina Latini wrote: We have LibreOffice in our repositories; I think that bring back Apache OpenOffice generates only confusion between users, not freedom of choice. Nobody stops anybody to package anything which doesn't fail Fedora rules. Of course, I cannot

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Matej Cepl
On 2013-01-31, 13:06 GMT, Marina Latini wrote: We adopted LibreOffice as the other GNU/Linux distributions and now we want reintroduce Apache OpenOffice. *WE* don't want anything. Somebody wants to package AOO. It seems to me to be silly, but why not. Wish him a luck (and keep away from it as

Summary of the Fedora Secondary Arch Team for Power meeting at FUDCon Lawrence and Statement of Direction

2013-01-31 Thread Phil Knirsch
Hi everyone. For those interested in Fedora on Power i've posted the notes of our meeting at the FUDCon in Lawrence to the meeting info at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/PowerPC/Meetings/FUDCon_Lawrence_2013 Might reformat it a bit as it looks a bit ugly atm, but time will tell

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: QXL/Spice KMS Driver

2013-01-31 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:52:12 + Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: = Features/QXLKMSSupport = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/QXLKMSSupport Looking forward to testing this in F19 guests. -- Regards, Frank http//www.frankly3d.com -- devel mailing list

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-01-31 Thread Scott Schmit
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 01:58:30PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Tomasz Torcz (to...@pipebreaker.pl) said: It might be worth considering that we keep the one special case and change the 'eno' prefix in udev to 'em'... this will help some. This could be dangerous. If I understand

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Michael Scherer
Le jeudi 31 janvier 2013 à 14:20 +0100, Robert Mayr a écrit : I think that's not the point, one of the two suites will be dominant and you can't provide both of them on a live image for example. LibreOffice was introduced to our live images and we hit target 1GB, do you really think it could

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Thursday 31 of January 2013 14:02:44 Martin Sourada wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 12:43:58 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 01/31/2013 12:28 PM, Martin Sourada wrote: Hi Marina, On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 13:14:41 +0100 Marina Latini wrote: Hi all, I'm an Ambassador and

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Thursday 31 of January 2013 15:01:00 Michael Scherer wrote: Le jeudi 31 janvier 2013 à 14:20 +0100, Robert Mayr a écrit : I think that's not the point, one of the two suites will be dominant and you can't provide both of them on a live image for example. LibreOffice was introduced to our

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: CUPS 1.6

2013-01-31 Thread Jiri Popelka
On 01/29/2013 07:10 PM, Benjamin De Kosnik wrote: 4) In the past, I've found it difficult to debug cups filters step by step. Especially with so many rasterization/filter changes. As part of the move to 1.6, will things like: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_printing_problems be

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/31/2013 02:04 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: And it's the same situation as with MariaDB and MySQL. Fedora is going to prefer MariaDB (FESCo stated it clearly yesterday) - so we should try to make an effort to support MariaDB and not for example force users to use both just to run system. But

Re: review swap: rubygems related packages

2013-01-31 Thread Brendan Jones
On 01/31/2013 01:32 PM, Mamoru TASAKA wrote: Hello, all: I have some packages related to rubygems ready for review and I would like to swap reviews. Each package is small and should not take so much time. rubygem-levenshtein https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=891970

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/31/2013 02:11 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: And Calligra is default on Plasma spin. If someone chooses to create AOO spin (or any replacement we will have like formulas) - and choose it as default on that spin and he will maintain it and users will use it - it's Fedora. Last time I checked

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-31 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mer 30 janvier 2013 19:07, Bill Nottingham a écrit : it's wasteful in terms of builds and updates for users to be updating all of systemd just to add a new French keymap conversion, esp. since users want their keyboard to work the same in gui and the console, so putting the keymaps in

Re: Command line arguments depend on locale

2013-01-31 Thread Ian Malone
On 31 January 2013 09:07, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:05:16AM +0100, Benny Amorsen wrote: This makes it difficult to call system commands. The only workaround is to set LC_ALL to a known-good locale, but then your users get no benefit from the

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: NetworkManager Bridging Support

2013-01-31 Thread Pavel Simerda
- Original Message - Is the scope of this feature intended to cover both traditional (brctl) bridges and Open vSwitch (i.e. ovs-vsctl, ...) bridges? Nope. We just support standard linux bridging (plus plain old bonding). Both types of bridging are supported by plugins for

Re: Command line arguments depend on locale

2013-01-31 Thread Ian Malone
On 31 January 2013 15:04, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 January 2013 09:07, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:05:16AM +0100, Benny Amorsen wrote: This makes it difficult to call system commands. The only workaround is to set LC_ALL to a

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: Fedora is going to prefer MariaDB (FESCo stated it clearly yesterday) It did now? Yes it did, I'm afraid the short-form minutes don't contain it. The precise text is: proposal: clearly state that fedora prefers

Re: Command line arguments depend on locale

2013-01-31 Thread Simo Sorce
On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 09:07 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:05:16AM +0100, Benny Amorsen wrote: This makes it difficult to call system commands. The only workaround is to set LC_ALL to a known-good locale, but then your users get no benefit from the translations

[Bug 906396] Permission problems in amavis-new

2013-01-31 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora EPEL https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=906396 Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC|

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-31 Thread Bill Nottingham
Marcela Mašláňová (mmasl...@redhat.com) said: I would say that work even before. If I should say according to number of bugs, not many users were using specific SElinux contexts for cronjob tasks. No objection to this feature, it might be very powerful for some use-cases. I'm afraid of

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/31/2013 03:24 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: proposal: clearly state that fedora prefers mariadb?(for now) passed +7 -0 That for now is just based on the fact that there no longer is no one maintaining the package in Fedora right? Which begs the question why has it not been orphaned and

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-31 Thread Bill Nottingham
Colin Walters (walt...@verbum.org) said: On Tue, 2013-01-29 at 14:30 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: This is interesting, in that it's a feature that's occasionally requested by various users and administrators. However, this is rather limited in that only systemd stuff is using it now,

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 15:49:11 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/31/2013 03:24 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: proposal: clearly state that fedora prefers mariadb?(for now) passed +7 -0 That for now is just based on the fact that there no longer is no one maintaining

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:47:08 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/31/2013 02:11 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: And Calligra is default on Plasma spin. If someone chooses to create AOO spin (or any replacement we will have like formulas) - and choose it as default on that

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 12:31:37 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: What's the end game with this proposal since we already moved away from openoffice to libreoffice which caused enough confusion for our end user base? end game is both libreoffice and apache openoffice

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Trusted Network Connect (TNC)

2013-01-31 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2013-01-29 at 17:28 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Avesh Agarwal (avaga...@redhat.com) said: Right now it is done using wpa_supplicant provided cli. Just to clarify a little bit further, wpa_supplicant provided cli takes care of authentication and tnc's end point assessment. Once

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: QXL/Spice KMS Driver

2013-01-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 11:52 +, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Features/QXLKMSSupport = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/QXLKMSSupport Feature owner(s): Alon Levy al...@redhat.com Currently the QXL driver is X.org only, a KMS driver is required to move forward with projects like

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Trusted Network Connect (TNC)

2013-01-31 Thread Avesh Agarwal
On 01/31/2013 11:10 AM, Dan Williams wrote: On Tue, 2013-01-29 at 17:28 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Avesh Agarwal (avaga...@redhat.com) said: Right now it is done using wpa_supplicant provided cli. Just to clarify a little bit further, wpa_supplicant provided cli takes care of

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Developers Assistant

2013-01-31 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jan Zelený (jzel...@redhat.com) said: Does this go all the way into libraries you should use and libraries you shouldn't? Well, that's slightly advanced topic but I think we can arrange something like advanced section on the Developers' portal. Is this already somewhere on the

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-31 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/31/2013 03:51 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: I would be tempted to say: Anything running at a core system level where a dependence on a separate cron daemon may be unwanted (or a bad idea) should be migrated, and nothing else for now until we have a clearer perspective on the future. Given

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 31.01.2013 15:39, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 01/31/2013 02:04 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: And it's the same situation as with MariaDB and MySQL. Fedora is going to prefer MariaDB (FESCo stated it clearly yesterday) - so we should try to make an effort to support MariaDB and not for

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: QXL/Spice KMS Driver

2013-01-31 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:12:28 -0800 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: I thought the feature deadline was yesterday; are we on late features now? The deadline was yesterday to have your feature submitted. I think the wrangler has been spreading them out a bit to avoid dumping them all

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/31/2013 04:03 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 15:49:11 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/31/2013 03:24 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: proposal: clearly state that fedora prefers mariadb?(for now) passed +7 -0 That for now is just based on the fact that

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-31 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:51:45 -0500, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: I would be tempted to say: Anything running at a core system level where a dependence on a separate cron daemon may be unwanted (or a bad idea) should be migrated, and nothing else for now until we have a

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:17:24 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: Ok I'll open a ticket requesting postgresql being the distribution default database of chose. For what? We can't force upstream projects to support postgresql if they don't already. I personally vastly

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: OpenAttestation

2013-01-31 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Wei, Gang gang@intel.com wrote: Bill Nottingham wrote on 2013-01-29: Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: = Features/OpenAttestation = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OpenAttestation Feature owner(s): Gang Wei gang@intel.com Provide

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-31 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/31/2013 04:23 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:51:45 -0500, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: I would be tempted to say: Anything running at a core system level where a dependence on a separate cron daemon may be unwanted (or a bad idea) should be

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/31/2013 04:30 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: I don't see how a distribution default would make any sense. I guess that's as senseless to you as it is for me fesco decision of make mariadb to be preferred default is to me... JBG -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Ruby based bsfilter packager wanted!

2013-01-31 Thread Mamoru TASAKA
Mamoru TASAKA wrote, at 01/31/2013 09:20 PM +9:00: Hello: Michael Schwendt wrote, at 01/31/2013 07:58 PM +9:00: Hello everyone! Is there any existing packager (or a new one without an account yet) with interest in becoming the Fedora packager for the following script, which is written in

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:30:30 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/31/2013 04:30 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: I don't see how a distribution default would make any sense. I guess that's as senseless to you as it is for me fesco decision of make mariadb to be preferred

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/31/2013 04:32 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:19:08 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/31/2013 04:06 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 12:31:37 + Jóhann B. Guðmundssonjohan...@gmail.com wrote: What's the end game with this proposal

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 01/31/2013 05:30 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 01/31/2013 04:30 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: I don't see how a distribution default would make any sense. I guess that's as senseless to you as it is for me fesco decision of make mariadb to be preferred default is to me... Fedora doesn't

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:34:45 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: I see I cannot maintain a spin in the distribution identical to Gnome but with Apache office instead of libreoffice. Sure you can. Knock yourself out. However, Feature deadline is past now, so it would likely

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/31/2013 04:38 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:30:30 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/31/2013 04:30 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: I don't see how a distribution default would make any sense. I guess that's as senseless to you as it is for me fesco

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/31/2013 04:38 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:30:30 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/31/2013 04:30 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: I don't see how a distribution default

Re: Command line arguments depend on locale

2013-01-31 Thread Bill Nottingham
Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) said: You should *always* set LC_ALL=C when running an external command from another program (and most probably from a shell script too). Except when you shouldn't ... If you are getting arguments that are locale dependent changing the locale will do you

Re: review swap: rubygems related packages

2013-01-31 Thread Mamoru TASAKA
Brendan Jones wrote, at 01/31/2013 11:47 PM +9:00: On 01/31/2013 01:32 PM, Mamoru TASAKA wrote: Hello, all: I have some packages related to rubygems ready for review and I would like to swap reviews. Each package is small and should not take so much time. rubygem-levenshtein

[Bug 906461] New: wrong default pidfile in /etc/clamd.d/amavisd.conf

2013-01-31 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora EPEL https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=906461 Bug ID: 906461 Summary: wrong default pidfile in /etc/clamd.d/amavisd.conf Product: Fedora EPEL Version: el6 Component: amavisd-new Severity: low

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 31.01.2013 17:43, schrieb Miloslav Trmač: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/31/2013 04:38 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: That would be the default between MariaDB and

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 31.01.2013 17:43, schrieb Miloslav Trmač: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/31/2013 04:38 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:30:30 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/31/2013 04:30 PM, Kevin Fenzi

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 31.01.2013 17:56, schrieb Miloslav Trmač: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 31.01.2013 17:43, schrieb Miloslav Trmač: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/31/2013 04:38 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

Re: Command line arguments depend on locale

2013-01-31 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:43:44AM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: C locale and not do locale dependent parsing. It would be much more robust and if you are good enough to use the -i switch you probably know how to type 0.1 instead of 0,1 (or whatever format is in your locale) as well.

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-31 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: I'm the one that has been looking into the benefit from which component and of which cron job it would be useful for migrating to systemd timer units and that's totally irrelevant to that feature as I mentioned to FESCO but

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-31 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/31/2013 05:12 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: I'm the one that has been looking into the benefit from which component and of which cron job it would be useful for migrating to systemd timer units and that's totally

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: i do not need to read any theory Apparently you do since your claim was entirely incorrect. and why have you stripped the relevant part below? If you use unversioned obsoletes and rebuilt your own package, that is a problem you

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: CUPS 1.6

2013-01-31 Thread Benjamin De Kosnik
I updated that section, hopefully the filter pipeline is now more understandable. Thanks Jiri. I'll try your packages on F18, with these docs, and give you some more constructive feedback. -benjamin -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: using rpms for non-root installs

2013-01-31 Thread Mátyás Selmeci
Michael Stahnke wrote: ls zip-3.0-1.el6.x86_64.rpm mkdir $HOME/.myrpm cp -pr /var/lib/rpm/* $HOME/.myrpm/ chown -R $USER $HOME/.myrpm/ rpm -Uvh --justdb --dbpath $HOME/.myrpm zip-3.0-1.el6.x86_64.rpm rpm2cpio zip-3.0-1.el6.x86_64.rpm | cpio -idmv rpm -q

Re: Command line arguments depend on locale

2013-01-31 Thread Matthias Clasen
- Original Message Right, output should be locale specific. Input command line args... seems specious. Until you put a pipe between and turn the outputs of command a into inputs of command b... -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Command line arguments depend on locale

2013-01-31 Thread Pádraig Brady
On 01/30/2013 11:05 PM, Benny Amorsen wrote: Apparently ping has now started interpreting its command line arguments depending on locale. I.e. ping -i 0.1 no longer works in locales where comma is the decimal separator. This makes it difficult to call system commands. The only workaround is to

polkit changes in f19

2013-01-31 Thread Matthias Clasen
I just realized that there is a change to the way polkit is packaged in f19 that spin maintainers should be aware of: the polkit package is just the service, which only provides the default policy as specified in the action definitions now. If you want or need support for js rules, you need to

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Less Brittle Kerberos

2013-01-31 Thread Ken Dreyer
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 4:47 AM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: Kerberos clients can optionally verify reverse DNS records for services that they connect to as a way of trying to identify which realm they belong to. However in many cases these do not exist. Kerberos should fall back

[Bug 906461] wrong default pidfile in /etc/clamd.d/amavisd.conf

2013-01-31 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora EPEL https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=906461 Steven Roberts strob...@strobe.net changed: What|Removed |Added CC|

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 14:20 +0100, Robert Mayr wrote: I think that's not the point, one of the two suites will be dominant and you can't provide both of them on a live image for example. LibreOffice was introduced to our live images and we hit target 1GB, do you really think it could be

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: AnacondaNewUI Followup

2013-01-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 09:24 -0500, Scott Schmit wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 02:15:31PM +, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Features/AnacondaNewUI Followup = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/AnacondaNewUI_Followup snip Will the issues with shrinking partitions also be resolved? (c.f.

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 17:32 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 01/31/2013 05:12 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: I'm the one that has been looking into the benefit from which component and of which cron job it would

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 16:03 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Mer 30 janvier 2013 19:07, Bill Nottingham a écrit : it's wasteful in terms of builds and updates for users to be updating all of systemd just to add a new French keymap conversion, esp. since users want their keyboard to work

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-31 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Have fun with your proposals and implementing them just dont mix the cron migration up with the timer units ( which has been there from the get go )... You seem confused. I don't have any proposals Rahul -- devel mailing

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 16:17 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 01/31/2013 04:03 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 15:49:11 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/31/2013 03:24 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: proposal: clearly state that fedora prefers

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 18:02 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 31.01.2013 17:56, schrieb Miloslav Trmač: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 31.01.2013 17:43, schrieb Miloslav Trmač: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson

Re: Command line arguments depend on locale

2013-01-31 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthias Clasen (mcla...@redhat.com) said: - Original Message Right, output should be locale specific. Input command line args... seems specious. Until you put a pipe between and turn the outputs of command a into inputs of command b... But, as said earlier, it's common

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