On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:24:17PM +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> = Proposed System Wide Change: Change Packaging Guidelines to discourage
> requires into /bin and /sbin =
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoBinDeps
>
> Change owner(s): Ales Kozumplik
>
> Disallow dependencies on files
2013/7/16 Dan Horák :
> Hello everyone,
Hi,
Sorry for offtopic,
> Fedora 19 GA release for the IBM System z is here. This time two weeks
> later than the primary mainly because me being on vacation. It's hard
> for me to take time off work when there are always some deadlines in
> sight :-)
On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 13:48 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> = Proposed Self Contained Change: FreeIPA OTP UI =
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/IPAv3OTPUI
>
> Change owner(s): Nathaniel McCallum
>
> FreeIPA will gain a user interface for managing users' OTP tokens.
>
> == Detailed desc
On Tue, 16.07.13 11:12, Kaleb KEITHLEY (kkeit...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> I need glusterd to start before any _netdev mounts (NFS or
> glusterfs) take place.
>
> reading the system.special man page it talks about ...pulling in
> network-online.target and order themselves after it.
>
> Would addin
I need glusterd to start before any _netdev mounts (NFS or glusterfs)
take place.
reading the system.special man page it talks about ...pulling in
network-online.target and order themselves after it.
Would adding a Before=network-online.target to the glusterd.service be
the right thing to
Dne 16.7.2013 16:55, Dan Williams napsal(a):
On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 12:52 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 13:25 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
= Proposed Self Contained Change: Plasma-nm =
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Plasma-nm
Change owner(s): Jan Grulich , Lukáš T
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Rob Clark wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:00 AM, drago01 wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 15, 2013, Rob Clark wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Peter Robinson
>>> wrote:
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Brendan Conoboy wrote:
> On 07/11/201
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 01:07:40PM +0100, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
> On 07/16/2013 12:41 PM, Colin Walters wrote:
> > On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 10:42 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> >
> >> FWIW this change caused a segfault in OpenStack
> >
> > This phrase is very dramatic. I'd say "triggered a dou
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:00 AM, drago01 wrote:
>
>
> On Monday, July 15, 2013, Rob Clark wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Peter Robinson
>> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Brendan Conoboy wrote:
On 07/11/2013 10:41 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
>
> Kernel, glibc
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 09:51:08AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
> > One suggestion I've heard is to write this line:
> > Jan 1 00:00:00 localhost root: Run `journalctl` to see log data in
> > /var/log/messages-compatible format
> That would be a bad idea, as then you'd have an RPM-installed
> /var/
On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 12:52 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 13:25 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Plasma-nm =
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Plasma-nm
> >
> > Change owner(s): Jan Grulich , Lukáš Tinkl
> >
> >
> > Replace cu
Once upon a time, Matthew Miller said:
> One suggestion I've heard is to write this line:
>
> Jan 1 00:00:00 localhost root: Run `journalctl` to see log data in
> /var/log/messages-compatible format
That would be a bad idea, as then you'd have an RPM-installed
/var/log/messages that can't be
On 16. 7. 2013 at 13:57:02, Björn Persson wrote:
> > Related FPC ticket [1]: FPC wanted this change to be created.
>
> Oh really?
>
> > [1] https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/314
>
> In that ticket I see one FPC member being for and two being against
> the change.
Yeah, the original message fr
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 02:27:24AM -0400, Ding Yi Chen wrote:
> And you want to do the system wide search and replace all the 3rd party
> programs,
> scripts, and documents that mentioned /var/log/messages?
http://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=%2Fvar%2Flog%2Fmessages
Bam! Done! :)
> Even if
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:22:30AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:58:52AM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> > Cloud-init is reasonably careful about where it gets the data from.
> > By default it looks first for a config drive (a specially formatted
> > block device whic
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:58:52AM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> Cloud-init is reasonably careful about where it gets the data from.
> By default it looks first for a config drive (a specially formatted
> block device which has to be explicitly added to the VM), and then
> secondly for a webse
On Tue, 16.07.13 14:41, Till Maas (opensou...@till.name) wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 01:25:54PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>
> > I am pretty sure that is just a misunderstanding. Note that journald
> > (i.e. the *server* side) will immediately move away (i.e. "rotate") all
> > journal
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:47:28AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> Do these images support instance data injection by default? Then we
> need to make absolutely clear that it's unsafe to run them outside
> an environment that filters instance data injection requests. For
> example, these images mu
>> Any image that wants to use a kernel that is a non upstream mainline
>> Fedora kernel ships as a remix.
>
> This is the rootfs for F18 (I started work on that before F19 got out):
We no longer support a rootfs tarball because it caused more problems
than it solved.
>> I'm happy to create a rem
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Adam Jackson wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 13:00 +0200, drago01 wrote:
>
>> > It is getting a bit off the topic, but this it isn't really a
>> problem
>> > with mesa. But rather that we have non-gallium closed src drivers
>> > from the GPU vendors in the ARM spac
- Original Message -
> >> They're not the primary focus of mainline Fedora either. We're
> >> CURRENTLY focusing on development boards (100s of examples), desktop
> >> like systems (Trimslice and other similar systems), netbooks/laptop
> >> style systems and the various media centre style d
On 7/16/13, Tom Hughes wrote:
> On 16/07/13 13:21, Björn Persson wrote:
>
>>> Additionally the following symlinks will be provided:
>>>
>>> * /usr/share/javascript -> /usr/share/assets/javascript
>>> * /usr/share/fonts -> /usr/share/assets/fonts (so any Fedora font
>>> package can be used as a web
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 14:26:48 +0200
Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Tue, 16.07.13 13:11, Frank Murphy (frankl...@gmail.com) wrote:
>
> You do understand that this:
>
> > But -x is one of the good benefits.
> > Giving explanation.
>
> and this:
>
> > size matters, when on 3G-internet.
> > They
On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 13:00 +0200, drago01 wrote:
> > It is getting a bit off the topic, but this it isn't really a
> problem
> > with mesa. But rather that we have non-gallium closed src drivers
> > from the GPU vendors in the ARM space, which only support GLES. And
> > most/all of the desktop
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 01:25:54PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> I am pretty sure that is just a misunderstanding. Note that journald
> (i.e. the *server* side) will immediately move away (i.e. "rotate") all
> journal files that it finds have not been set to "offline" when it
> starts up befo
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On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 01:25:54PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Tue, 16.07.13 11:37, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) wrote:
>
> >
> > Le Lun 15 juillet 2013 15:47, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
> >
> > > There's the general problem that once /var is read-only we cannot real
Hello everyone,
Fedora 19 GA release for the IBM System z is here. This time two weeks
later than the primary mainly because me being on vacation. It's hard
for me to take time off work when there are always some deadlines in
sight :-) And again we are closer to primary when we count the number
of
>> They're not the primary focus of mainline Fedora either. We're
>> CURRENTLY focusing on development boards (100s of examples), desktop
>> like systems (Trimslice and other similar systems), netbooks/laptop
>> style systems and the various media centre style devices (STB/media
>> sticks etc), and
On Tue, 16.07.13 13:11, Frank Murphy (frankl...@gmail.com) wrote:
You do understand that this:
> But -x is one of the good benefits.
> Giving explanation.
and this:
> size matters, when on 3G-internet.
> They have maybe 5-10gb p\m. depending on plan.
are directly contradicting: you first pump
On 16/07/13 13:21, Björn Persson wrote:
Additionally the following symlinks will be provided:
* /usr/share/javascript -> /usr/share/assets/javascript
* /usr/share/fonts -> /usr/share/assets/fonts (so any Fedora font
package can be used as a web font)
So all the fonts would be moved from /usr/
I think it's good to establish saner ways to package Javascript and
stuff, but this part puzzles me:
> Additionally the following symlinks will be provided:
>
> * /usr/share/javascript -> /usr/share/assets/javascript
> * /usr/share/fonts -> /usr/share/assets/fonts (so any Fedora font
> package ca
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 13:22:07 +0200
Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > but as a test do:
> > echo | journalctl -x --no-pager --since-today | mailx -s "Today's
> > Journal" user (real isp email )
>
> What's the "echo |" supposed to do?
For some reason first few emails, without it had nothing.
Could b
On 07/16/2013 12:41 PM, Colin Walters wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 10:42 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>
>> FWIW this change caused a segfault in OpenStack
>
> This phrase is very dramatic. I'd say "triggered a double free in an
> untested libguestfs error path" is more accurate and less d
On Tue, 16.07.13 13:38, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) wrote:
> > So yeah, you could say that journald will 'ignore' the file. But
> > journalctl won't, it will show them to you. And that's *good* that
> > way. That's how it *should* be.
>
> However even if that's the case that mea
- Original Message -
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> > If phones and tablets aren't the primary focus, what is? Development
> > boards, for the sake of running Fedora ARM on something? Server systems
> > that don't exist yet (or aren't widely available[1])?
>
>
> Related FPC ticket [1]: FPC wanted this change to be created.
Oh really?
> [1] https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/314
In that ticket I see one FPC member being for and two being against
the change.
Björn Persson
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On Mon, 2013-07-15 at 18:39 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> I'm also pretty well sold on the idea that journald is better on the
> desktop. But that's not my thing.
I agree. I would also like to stop the double-logging on the desktop.
We're working on a graphical journal frontend now, and we will
On Tue, 16.07.13 11:49, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) wrote:
>
> Le Lun 15 juillet 2013 20:09, Till Maas a écrit :
> > Also it is sad that journalctl does not directly accept ISO 8601
> > time specifications (I can open a bug if there is a changes it will be
> > implemented).
>
On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 13:25 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> = Proposed Self Contained Change: Plasma-nm =
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Plasma-nm
>
> Change owner(s): Jan Grulich , Lukáš Tinkl
>
>
> Replace current network applet in KDE with a new one and bring the latest
> news
>
= Proposed Self Contained Change: FreeIPA OTP UI =
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/IPAv3OTPUI
Change owner(s): Nathaniel McCallum
FreeIPA will gain a user interface for managing users' OTP tokens.
== Detailed description ==
In Fedora 19 we introduced rudimentary support for OTP in krb5
Because of developer assistant (command line utility) contains
assistants and user would like to create their own assistants
some GUI for helping with creating assistants would be fine.
Developer assistant (command line tool) already supports yaml checker
command line utility for checking assis
On Tue, 16.07.13 09:42, Till Maas (opensou...@till.name) wrote:
> > journalctl only supports local time specifications when you
> > specify calendar times. Unfortunately there's no nice API to map
> > calendar times that include time zone specifications back to UTC, in
> > particular because the t
On 07/16/2013 08:27 AM, Ding Yi Chen wrote:
And you want to do the system wide search and replace all the 3rd party
programs,
scripts, and documents that mentioned /var/log/messages?
Even if you do, you cannot change the exist tutorial, blog, and forums that
refer /var/log/messages.
They al
On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 10:42 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> FWIW this change caused a segfault in OpenStack
This phrase is very dramatic. I'd say "triggered a double free in an
untested libguestfs error path" is more accurate and less dramatic.
Really it had nothing to do with hard links at
Le Mar 16 juillet 2013 13:25, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
> On Tue, 16.07.13 11:37, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net)
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Le Lun 15 juillet 2013 15:47, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
>>
>> > There's the general problem that once /var is read-only we cannot
>> really
>> > st
On Tue, 16.07.13 02:27, Ding Yi Chen (dc...@redhat.com) wrote:
> And you want to do the system wide search and replace all the 3rd party
> programs,
> scripts, and documents that mentioned /var/log/messages?
>
> Even if you do, you cannot change the exist tutorial, blog, and forums that
> refer
Sounds great.
But I think a lot of packages have relationship with icon cache need to be
updated. Do we need to fix it by automated script or let packagers finish?
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= Proposed Self Contained Change: Plasma-nm =
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Plasma-nm
Change owner(s): Jan Grulich , Lukáš Tinkl
Replace current network applet in KDE with a new one and bring the latest news
in NetworkManager to KDE.
== Detailed description ==
Plasma-nm is a new pl
On Tue, 16.07.13 11:37, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) wrote:
>
> Le Lun 15 juillet 2013 15:47, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
>
> > There's the general problem that once /var is read-only we cannot really
> > store logs anywhere anymore that survive the reboot. On our TODO list is
On Tue, 16.07.13 08:34, Frank Murphy (frankl...@gmail.com) wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:53:56 +
> "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>
> >
> > Nobody is talking about removing from the distribution entirely
> > and quite frankly administrators that complain about journal have
> > not actual
On 07/16/2013 01:15 PM, Ville Skyttä wrote:
Yes, and like said in the proposal, it's not limited to HTML and browser
bookmarking. Cross referencing other packages' docs (from other HTML or
plain text docs, scripts, code, systemd unit Documentation= or whatever)
is similarly affected.
For one d
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
>
> If a package installs HTML docs into /usr/share/doc/-
> and you want to bookmark that in your web browser, then your bookmarks
> break everytime the RPM is updated :-(
Yes, and like said in the proposal, it's not limited to HTML and
= Proposed Self Contained Change: X2Go =
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/X2Go
Change owner(s): Orion Poplawski
The X2Go [1] project has taken over development of the old NX libraries and
has developed new clients and server code around it. We will move to use the
X2Go NX library in Fedo
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
>
> Why?
>
See the "Benefit to Fedora" section.
> This will allow to have foo-9.8.4 installed together with foo-doc-1.0.0.
> In other words, user can have pretty outdated documentation. Or new
> documentation and outdated code.
>
I don't
在 2013-7-16 PM7:00，"Daniel P. Berrange" 写道：
>
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 06:55:37PM +0800, Christopher Meng wrote:
> > What's the advantages exactly?
>
> If a package installs HTML docs into /usr/share/doc/-
> and you want to bookmark that in your web browser, then your bookmarks
> break everytime t
On Monday, July 15, 2013, Rob Clark wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Peter Robinson
wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Brendan Conoboy wrote:
>>> On 07/11/2013 10:41 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Kernel, glibc, all the core library stacks. And I would argue that yes,
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 06:55:37PM +0800, Christopher Meng wrote:
> What's the advantages exactly?
If a package installs HTML docs into /usr/share/doc/-
and you want to bookmark that in your web browser, then your bookmarks
break everytime the RPM is updated :-( You could of course fix this
by ke
What's the advantages exactly?
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= Proposed System Wide Change: Web Assets =
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Web_Assets
Change owner(s): T.C. Hollingsworth
Traditionally, Fedora has been pushing bits from its various servers to
people's browsers in an ad-hoc fashion, and issues surrounding JavaScript have
been swept un
On 07/16/2013 12:28 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
== Detailed description ==
Change the per package documentation directory in /usr/share/doc to
unversioned, just containing the package's name (previously it contained both
the package's name and its version). rpmbuild already has support for this, b
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> If phones and tablets aren't the primary focus, what is? Development boards,
> for the sake of running Fedora ARM on something? Server systems that don't
> exist yet (or aren't widely available[1])?
They're not the primary focus of mainli
- Original Message -
> = Proposed Self Contained Change: Transitive Trusts with Active Directory
> support for FreeIPA =
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/IPAv3TransitiveTrusts
>
> Change owner(s): Matthias Clasen and the desktop SIG
Sorry for copy/paste error, correct version:
C
= Proposed Self Contained Change: Transitive Trusts with Active Directory
support for FreeIPA =
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/IPAv3TransitiveTrusts
Change owner(s): Matthias Clasen and the desktop SIG
FreeIPA will support transitive trusts with Active Directory
== Detailed descripti
= Proposed System Wide Change: Unversioned Docdirs =
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/UnversionedDocdirs
Change owner(s): Ville Skyttä
Install package specific documentation to an unversioned subdir in
/usr/share/doc.
== Detailed description ==
Change the per package documentation direc
= Proposed System Wide Change: Change Packaging Guidelines to discourage
requires into /bin and /sbin =
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoBinDeps
Change owner(s): Ales Kozumplik
Disallow dependencies on files under /bin, /sbin, /lib and /lib64.
== Detailed description ==
The current pa
- Original Message -
> Tomasz Torcz (to...@pipebreaker.pl) said:
> > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 09:17:56AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 5:56 AM, Jaroslav Reznik
> > > wrote:
> > > > = Proposed System Wide Change: SSD cache =
> > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cha
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:47:28AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> On 07/15/2013 12:22 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>
> >1. Refactoring of the Fedora web site to put the cloud image on equal footing
> >with the desktop image download. The new F19 cloud images page [2] is very
> >nice thanks to the ha
Le Lun 15 juillet 2013 20:09, Till Maas a écrit :
> Also it is sad that journalctl does not directly accept ISO 8601
> time specifications (I can open a bug if there is a changes it will be
> implemented).
+100 not using iso 8601 by default nowadays is insane, I've been slowly
moving all the bit
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:42:10AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> On 07/15/2013 07:32 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>
> >Why?
>
> Without it, it's possible to exploit certain weaknesses to make
> /etc/shadow word-readable or worse, for example.
>
> Hard links are fundamentally incompatible with
Le Lun 15 juillet 2013 15:47, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
> There's the general problem that once /var is read-only we cannot really
> store logs anywhere anymore that survive the reboot. On our TODO list is
> to optionally store all logs generated beyond that point in some UEFI
> variable, and
= Proposed Self Contained Change: DNSSEC support for FreeIPA =
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/IPAv3DNSSEC
Change owner(s): Petr Špaček
FreeIPA with integrated DNS server will support serving of DNSSEC secured
zones.
== Detailed description ==
DNS server integrated to FreeIPA in Fedora
On 07/15/2013 11:28 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
Microsoft uses binary logs also, and they are really awful. Maybe
your binary journal is far better than MS' logs,
IIRC, the main issue with the Windows system event files is that in
order to interpret the binary data, you need DLLs provided by the
On 07/15/2013 12:34 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
I'm not suggesting we need to rebuild images for every update, but at a
minimum, when we issue CVE / security errata that affects an image, I'd
expect us to also rebuild and publish new cloud images pretty much
synchronously.
Secure Boot suppor
If phones and tablets aren't the primary focus, what is? Development boards,
for the sake of running Fedora ARM on something? Server systems that don't
exist yet (or aren't widely available[1])?
I'm interested in Fedora on phones, tablets, tiny dongly media centers, set-top
boxes, Wi-Fi routers
On 07/15/2013 12:22 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
1. Refactoring of the Fedora web site to put the cloud image on equal footing
with the desktop image download. The new F19 cloud images page [2] is very
nice thanks to the hard work of the web team, but unfortunately, in order to
find it, one has to
On 07/15/2013 07:32 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
Why?
Without it, it's possible to exploit certain weaknesses to make
/etc/shadow word-readable or worse, for example.
Hard links are fundamentally incompatible with the way we run SELinux,
and this change mitigates that issue to some extent
On 07/15/2013 09:25 PM, Conrad Meyer wrote:
By default, bcache runs a write-through cache -- it only
caches clean data. If the caching SSD dies, the bcache layer
can just forward requests to spinning drive. No data is lost.
(Bcache has a writeback mode where data loss is possible. I
do not reco
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 12:21:11PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:40:18 -0400
> Matthew Miller wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 05:05:47PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> > > IMHO a publicised security update policy for cloud images should be
> > > a 'must have' prior t
Did you try the right arrow key when running "journalctl"?
- Original Message -
> Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said:
> > On Mon, 15.07.13 16:31, Chris Adams (li...@cmadams.net) wrote:
> >
> > > Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said:
> > > > (also: journalctl doesn't truncate
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 08:18:34PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > But there seems to be the problem that journalctl does not support
> > timezones/UTC time for since/until according to journalctl(1), therefore
> > there does not seem to be a safe way to specify since/until that will
> > even
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:53:56 +
"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>
> Nobody is talking about removing from the distribution entirely
> and quite frankly administrators that complain about journal have
> not actually tried it and experienced the flexibility the journactl
> gives them it truly i
On 07/16/2013 02:56 AM, Ding Yi Chen wrote:
Also, most
>distributions do include it in some way or another, and you do not need
>to boot systemd to use to it access your journal files.
Not true,
RHEL 6 and its friends do not include journalctl.
So if I want to cover both Fedora default and RHEL
On , Ding Yi Chen wrote:
Even if you do, you cannot change the exist tutorial, blog, and forums
that
refer /var/log/messages.
Image the following scenario:
Suppose a Fedora newbie (or linux newbie) encounters a problem,
most of the search results state: Check /var/log/messages
He/She will be v
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