On Tue 2 February 2010 9:10:13 pm Jesse Keating wrote:
> What functionality has been lost here?
Working KDM, for one... Installing from the live DVD (as Kevin Kofler
mentioned earlier) is essentially broken if you want KDE as the primary DE but
choose to install any other comps.
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==
2010/2/3 Christoph Wickert :
> * gtk-recordmydesktop -- GUI Desktop session recorder with audio
> and video
> * qt-recordmydesktop -- KDE Desktop session recorder with audio
> and video
> * recordmydesktop -- Desktop session recorder with audio and
> video
I've
I recently took over as owner of the scm-commits list. There were a
number of CVS commits that got moderated during the mailing list
migration due to a misconfiguration of the list. I went ahead and
released all of them, so a bunch of commits from Jan 10 will show up
on the scm-commits list. Sorry
* ike-scan -- IKE protocol tool to discover, fingerprint and test
IPsec VPN servers
* nbtscan -- Tool to gather NetBIOS info from Windows networks
* python-virtkey -- Python extension for emulating keypresses and
getting current keyboard layout
* tcptraceroute -- A
On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 23:03 -0600, Mike McGrath wrote:
> There was a time where,
> when you wanted KDE, you clicked the checkbox next to KDE at install time.
> With our default and spin media we've actually _LOST_ functionality that
> AFAIK is still not back after years of work.
pardon? Our DVD
On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Mike McGrath wrote:
> > Then no one is actually using our products. People don't use spins after
> > they install them. After install they're all pointed at the same thing.
> > I'm a KDE user but I'm not using a KDE spin right now.
>
> Then you're missin
On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 03:34:37AM +, Leigh Scott wrote:
> I will take avant-window-navigator but I haven't got the time to go
> through all the bugs reported against it.
>
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/bugs/avant-window-navigator?
>
> Is there any chance a bug zapper could
I've taken these:
* perl-Math-Base85 -- Perl extension for base 85 numbers, as
referenced by RFC 1924
* perl-Net-IPv4Addr -- Perl extension for manipulating IPv4
addresses
* perl-Net-IPv6Addr -- Perl module to check validity of IPv6
addresses
* perl-Net-Pca
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
> * firewalk -- Active reconnaissance network security tool
> * httptunnel -- Tunnels a data stream in HTTP requests
> * nikto -- Web server scanner
Taken these :)
>
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On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 04:30:11 +0100,
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > The 9200 does 3d now, but for a while it didn't. OpenGL stuff just started
> > working again shortly before the F12 release. I have one on my primary
> > desktop machine.
>
> For mine, it was perfect in F10
I will take avant-window-navigator but I haven't got the time to go
through all the bugs reported against it.
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/bugs/avant-window-navigator?
Is there any chance a bug zapper could help ?
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Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> The 9200 does 3d now, but for a while it didn't. OpenGL stuff just started
> working again shortly before the F12 release. I have one on my primary
> desktop machine.
For mine, it was perfect in F10, quite buggy in F11, mostly working in the
F12 release (but Extreme Tux R
Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> This may be true on its own but we need to be careful of setting it up as
> a dichotomy because it becomes false when put in that context. I want my
> computer to stay out of my way and let me do things. Yet I use KDE
> because KDE stays out of my way much better than Gno
On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 18:20 -0800, Jesse Keating wrote:
> I'm the one creating the "Fedora" product, the DVD that gets so many
> downloads, and the thing that gets network installed. I have no idea
> what the vision is for it, because I have no guidance. I'm just making
> it up as I go, continui
On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Christoph Wickert wrote:
> Am Dienstag, den 02.02.2010, 19:16 -0500 schrieb Seth Vidal:
>>
>> On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Christoph Wickert wrote:
>>
>>> Huh? the list I posted was from packagedb and both seth and me counted
>>> 25 packages: http://fpaste.org/NpTL/
>>
>> no, that lis
On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 04:13:40 +0100,
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > (I probably should have also dropped the 3d games, but by the time I
> > figured that out we had working 3d support with free drivers on some
> > cards.)
>
> We do. The ATI Radeon 9200 SE on my desktop and
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> (I probably should have also dropped the 3d games, but by the time I
> figured that out we had working 3d support with free drivers on some
> cards.)
We do. The ATI Radeon 9200 SE on my desktop and the Intel GM965 on my
notebook both work just fine for 3D with the Free dr
Mike McGrath wrote:
> Then no one is actually using our products. People don't use spins after
> they install them. After install they're all pointed at the same thing.
> I'm a KDE user but I'm not using a KDE spin right now.
Then you're missing out on some of the integration work we do. That sa
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 06:29:33PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 17:07 -0500, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> > An interesting note here is that target audience is of no use in deciding
> > this. KDE and GNOME aim for the same target audiences but have different
> > ideas of how to
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 07:56:53PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 05:33:02PM -0500, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> >On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 04:16:30PM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote:
> >> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Not to reduce the debate to too much of a s
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 07:52:55PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 05:16:14PM -0500, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> >On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 01:11:47PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote:
> >> The way things are now "works" because of status quo. We tell anybody
> >> who wants to change statu
On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 17:07 -0500, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> An interesting note here is that target audience is of no use in deciding
> this. KDE and GNOME aim for the same target audiences but have different
> ideas of how to reach them. The details that moving forward or staying back
> with the
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 21:07:23 -0500,
Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>
> OTOH, I wasn't able to find anything written for either the KDE or desktop
> SIGs
> that can be construed as a statement of target audience so even if they
> appear to be aiming at the same targets, we don't know for sure. Thi
On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 17:33 -0500, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> Let's cut this off right at the top :-) If a vision for what our products
> are is a problem why don't we have the people producing the products explain
> their vision? I keep saying that vision for products needs to come from the
> peop
On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 19:16 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 19:04 -0500, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> > I work on another open-source project that is considering using
> > pkg-config, and we are trying to establish standards. I found the
> > guidelines for how to package .pc fi
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 06:33:52PM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 04:42:28PM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote:
> > >
> > > This is an excellent example. Ford has several audiences and several
> > > products. Now, imagine a world whe
On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 18:33 -0600, Mike McGrath wrote:
> The above bullets say to me more then ever the spins are harming Fedora
> and not helping it. They're a place for us to focus, spend time, QA,
> hosting, etc, and at the end of the day gain absolutely nothing. Let the
> KDE sig focus on th
Am Dienstag, den 02.02.2010, 19:16 -0500 schrieb Seth Vidal:
>
> On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Christoph Wickert wrote:
>
> > Huh? the list I posted was from packagedb and both seth and me counted
> > 25 packages: http://fpaste.org/NpTL/
>
> no, that list is from the potentially-unmaintained pkg list. Sorr
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 05:33:02PM -0500, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 04:16:30PM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote:
>> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>> >
>> > > Not to reduce the debate to too much of a soundbite, but it almost
>> > > seems like attempting to decide whether
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 05:16:14PM -0500, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 01:11:47PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote:
>> On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 14:36 -0600, Adam Miller wrote:
>> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
>> >
>> > > Take a random downstream app. (Firefox
On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 04:42:28PM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote:
> >
> > This is an excellent example. Ford has several audiences and several
> > products. Now, imagine a world where Ford is forced to only produce one
> > product. That's the world we're
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 04:42:28PM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote:
>
> This is an excellent example. Ford has several audiences and several
> products. Now, imagine a world where Ford is forced to only produce one
> product. That's the world we're in right now. Lots of different people,
> lots of d
On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 19:04 -0500, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> I work on another open-source project that is considering using
> pkg-config, and we are trying to establish standards. I found the
> guidelines for how to package .pc files in Fedora (and EPEL), but I'm
> curious if there are Fedora or
On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Christoph Wickert wrote:
Am Mittwoch, den 03.02.2010, 00:47 +0100 schrieb Michael Schwendt:
On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:15:41 +0100, Christoph wrote:
Sindre Pedersen Bjørdal was declared to be MIA in a fast track
nonresponsive maintainer procedure [1, 2]. This means that we h
Am Dienstag, den 02.02.2010, 18:59 -0500 schrieb Toshio Kuratomi:
> On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 11:45:30PM +, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Christoph Wickert <
> > christoph.wick...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Sindre Pedersen Bj rdal was declared to be MIA in a
I work on another open-source project that is considering using
pkg-config, and we are trying to establish standards. I found the
guidelines for how to package .pc files in Fedora (and EPEL), but I'm
curious if there are Fedora or Red Hat standards for the location where
the files are placed when
Am Mittwoch, den 03.02.2010, 00:47 +0100 schrieb Michael Schwendt:
> On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:15:41 +0100, Christoph wrote:
>
> > Sindre Pedersen Bjørdal was declared to be MIA in a fast track
> > nonresponsive maintainer procedure [1, 2]. This means that we had to
> > orphan all his packages, 25 in
Am Dienstag, den 02.02.2010, 23:45 + schrieb Peter Robinson:
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Christoph Wickert
>
> If you are interested in maintaining one of these packages,
> please pick
> them up in packagedb at
>
> https://admin.fedoraproject.or
Am Freitag, den 22.01.2010, 14:52 +0100 schrieb Andreas Osowski:
> Hello,
> I do herewith request to take over the package "mumble", currently owned by
> igjurisk.
> The maintainer seems to be unresponsive and all previous attempts of contact
> have failed.
>
> According to the policy for non-re
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 11:45:30PM +, Peter Robinson wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Christoph Wickert <
> christoph.wick...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Sindre Pedersen Bj rdal was declared to be MIA in a fast track
> nonresponsive maintainer procedure [1, 2]. This means that
On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:15:41 +0100, Christoph wrote:
> Sindre Pedersen Bjørdal was declared to be MIA in a fast track
> nonresponsive maintainer procedure [1, 2]. This means that we had to
> orphan all his packages, 25 in total:
Pkg db says: 50 packages
> If you are interested in maintaining one
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Christoph Wickert <
christoph.wick...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Sindre Pedersen Bjørdal was declared to be MIA in a fast track
> nonresponsive maintainer procedure [1, 2]. This means that we had to
> orphan all his packages, 25 in total:
>
> * DMitry -- Deepmag
Sindre Pedersen Bjørdal was declared to be MIA in a fast track
nonresponsive maintainer procedure [1, 2]. This means that we had to
orphan all his packages, 25 in total:
* DMitry -- Deepmagic Information Gathering Tool
* arp-scan -- Scanning and fingerprinting tool
* avant-wind
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 16:35:42 -0600,
Adam Miller wrote:
>
> +1 for the last ... 3? .. 4? ... how every many posts from Toshio,
> each well stated and I agree on the points stated.
I think he is putting up strawmen. Just because there is a target audience
doesn't mean that anyone not directl
On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 04:16:30PM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote:
> > On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> > >
> > > > Not to reduce the debate to too much of a soundbite, but it almost
> > > > seems like attempting to decide whether we want Fedora
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 04:16:30PM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote:
>> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>> >
>> > > Not to reduce the debate to too much of a soundbite, but it almost
>> > > seems like attempting to decide whether we want
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 04:16:30PM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> >
> > > Not to reduce the debate to too much of a soundbite, but it almost
> > > seems like attempting to decide whether we want Fedora to be Debian,
> > > or to be something useful for user
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 17:16:14 -0500,
Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>
> Who's been told to fork Fedora because of the status-quo-target-audience?
The guy who was complaining about nonfree firmware. He actually made a forked
distribution for at least a while.
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On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>
> > Not to reduce the debate to too much of a soundbite, but it almost
> > seems like attempting to decide whether we want Fedora to be Debian,
> > or to be something useful for users of it. I'd always pick the latter...
> >
> The problem with this sound
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 01:11:47PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 14:36 -0600, Adam Miller wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> >
> > > Take a random downstream app. (Firefox is an example, but there are many
> > > others.) Right now, it only ne
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 11:43:32AM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 13:15 -0600, Adam Miller wrote:
> >
> > Your example doesn't work, Xubuntu is still bound to the package set
> > in the Ubuntu repositories in the same sense that the Xfce Spin is
> > bound to the package set in
Greetings folks,
It's been quiet on the test day front for some time now. However, rest
assured, we are kicking off the Fedora 13 test day schedule in style. I
invite you to join #fedora-test-day this Thursday, February 4, 2010 for
the first of many Fedora 13 test days.
Qian Cai and Steve Dicks
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 03:17:30PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) said:
> > My other mail suggests that one way to work with this is to create new
> > conflicting packages that are optimized for the different usages. There's
> > other ways as well but the gen
Tomas Mraz wrote:
> The library will work fine and it will not compute the checksum at all
> if the FIPS mode is not enabled which is the normal situation.
Then perhaps FIPS mode can be left disabled until /usr has been mounted, so
that the checksum can be in %{_libdir}/fipscheck?
Björn Persson
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On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 20:30 +, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 02:19:35PM -0600, Adam Miller wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> >
> > >Ubuntu is better than Debian
> >
> >
> > If you honestly believe that, I have pitty on you.
>
> For the m
On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 14:16 -0600, Adam Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
> > On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 13:15 -0600, Adam Miller wrote:
> >>
> >> Your example doesn't work, Xubuntu is still bound to the package set
> >> in the Ubuntu repositories in the same sense th
On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 14:36 -0600, Adam Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
>
> > Take a random downstream app. (Firefox is an example, but there are many
> > others.) Right now, it only needs to track a single version of python,
> > or a single auth framework,
Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
> This changelog style conforms to the existing spec, it has been in use in
> Fedora for several years, it may surprise you, but changing the spec
> retroactively is not the way to prove your point.
Uh, the Fedora packaging guidelines DO have the power to change the
require
inode0 wrote :
> To be clear I wasn't suggesting there actually was a marketing
> problem, although there is probably always a marketing problem in the
> absence of a monopoly.
>
> I can imagine other approaches though. What are the characteristics of
> good contributors? Market to that segment o
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 09:30:44PM +0100, Tomas Mraz wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 20:13 +0100, Till Maas wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 10:28:11AM +0100, Tomas Mraz wrote:
> >
> > > I am sorry, but I do not see a real need for special guideline for the
> > > fipscheck checksums. The policy
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 02:32:19PM -0600, Adam Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > If a spin wants to use a modified kernel package, what's the procedure
> > for ensuring that it receives the same level of QA as the normal kernel?
>
>
> That's not something
Adam Miller (maxamill...@fedoraproject.org) said:
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
>
> > Take a random downstream app. (Firefox is an example, but there are many
> > others.) Right now, it only needs to track a single version of python,
> > or a single auth framework, eve
Richard Hughes wrote:
> On 2 February 2010 15:12, Sebastian Vahl
> wrote:
>> * setroubleshoot introduced a hard dependency on gnome-packagekit
>> (#561001) * The dependency should be made generic or setroubleshoot has
>> to be removed from KDE spin.
>
> Is it just a dep on the PackageKit session
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Take a random downstream app. (Firefox is an example, but there are many
> others.) Right now, it only needs to track a single version of python,
> or a single auth framework, even if it may be used on any desktop or any
> spin. The implica
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 09:18:07PM +0100, Jan Kratochvil wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 07:18:26 +0100, Chuck Anderson wrote:
> > I'm trying to debug an issue for the upstream author of ocp and am
> > running into an issue where gdb is showing "" for
> > variables even though I've compiled the prog
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> QA is a particular skill set, not every sig has a QA member and requiring
> it wouldn't work either. I feel it's like assuming that just because I've
> done turbogears apps that someone would ask me to do CSS as well. I don't
> think it's sa
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 02:22:37PM -0600, Adam Miller wrote:
>
>> I think the responsibility of these things should be placed upon the
>> SIG members who perform the functions from within these different
>> groups. Why not have a QA person f
On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 20:13 +0100, Till Maas wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 10:28:11AM +0100, Tomas Mraz wrote:
>
> > I am sorry, but I do not see a real need for special guideline for the
> > fipscheck checksums. The policy where these checksums should/will be
> > placed should be decided by t
Adam Miller (maxamill...@fedoraproject.org) said:
> > Furthermore, you then leave 'downstream' higher-level packages and
> > applications having to, for example, code to PolicyKit0, PolicyKit1, or
> > consolehelper, depending on what each 'product' use case might use. Or,
> > having to build their
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 02:19:35PM -0600, Adam Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>
> >Ubuntu is better than Debian
>
>
> If you honestly believe that, I have pitty on you.
For the market they're aiming at? I don't think there's any doubt at
all.
--
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On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Adam Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
>
> > Would that mean that users who don't start with one of these 'products'
> > get to magically try and choose which implementation of which they want?
> > Perhaps even mix and match, leaving QA an
On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 21:04 +0100, Björn Persson wrote:
> Tomas Mraz wrote:
> > There is still a slight problem with the library checksums especially
> > for the libgcrypt library which currently resides in /%{_lib}. This
> > means that if it looks for the checksum in %{_libdir}/fipscheck the /usr
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 02:22:37PM -0600, Adam Miller wrote:
> I think the responsibility of these things should be placed upon the
> SIG members who perform the functions from within these different
> groups. Why not have a QA person from each SIG work together with the
> larger QA efforts instea
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Would that mean that users who don't start with one of these 'products'
> get to magically try and choose which implementation of which they want?
> Perhaps even mix and match, leaving QA and the developers to sort out
> the results.
>
> Fu
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>Ubuntu is better than Debian
If you honestly believe that, I have pitty on you.
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On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 07:59:38PM +, Richard Hughes wrote:
> On 2 February 2010 15:44, Till Maas wrote:
> > While you are fixing PackageKit dependencies, can you also remove the
> > PackageKit-yum-plugin dependency from PackageKit? The plugin seems not
> > to be necessary, as it can be disabl
On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 07:18:26 +0100, Chuck Anderson wrote:
> I'm trying to debug an issue for the upstream author of ocp and am
> running into an issue where gdb is showing "" for
> variables even though I've compiled the program with gcc -g -O0.
[...]
> Compiler excerpts:
>
> gcc -g -O0 -fPIC -W
Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) said:
> My other mail suggests that one way to work with this is to create new
> conflicting packages that are optimized for the different usages. There's
> other ways as well but the general theme is that we need to be looking at
> ways to open up what people
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 13:15 -0600, Adam Miller wrote:
>>
>> Your example doesn't work, Xubuntu is still bound to the package set
>> in the Ubuntu repositories in the same sense that the Xfce Spin is
>> bound to the package set in the Fedora re
Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
> This changelog style conforms to the existing spec, it has been in use in
> Fedora for several years, it may surprise you, but changing the spec
> retroactively is not the way to prove your point.
There's a spec? Where? I want to read it.
Björn Persson
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Des
Tomas Mraz wrote:
> There is still a slight problem with the library checksums especially
> for the libgcrypt library which currently resides in /%{_lib}. This
> means that if it looks for the checksum in %{_libdir}/fipscheck the /usr
> might not be mounted during the checksum verification.
Will a
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 01:15:29PM -0600, Adam Miller wrote:
> Your example doesn't work, Xubuntu is still bound to the package set
> in the Ubuntu repositories in the same sense that the Xfce Spin is
> bound to the package set in the Fedora repositories. The difference is
> that we understand tha
On 2 February 2010 15:44, Till Maas wrote:
> While you are fixing PackageKit dependencies, can you also remove the
> PackageKit-yum-plugin dependency from PackageKit? The plugin seems not
> to be necessary, as it can be disabled in
> /etc/yum/pluginconf.d/refresh-packagekit.conf and still the gnom
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 01:54:37PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) said:
> > I think that the Fedora Project's target audience needs to be people who
> > want to work on open source operating systems. If you want to market the
> > Fedora Project, that's the au
On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 11:33 +0100, Tomas Mraz wrote:
> > again, comments are welcome! This is probably going to FESco next week,
> > not tomorrow, apparently they have a heavy schedule tomorrow.
> >
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Adamwill/Draft_Fedora_privilege_escalation_policy
>
> Wha
On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 13:15 -0600, Adam Miller wrote:
>
> Your example doesn't work, Xubuntu is still bound to the package set
> in the Ubuntu repositories in the same sense that the Xfce Spin is
> bound to the package set in the Fedora repositories. The difference is
> that we understand that the
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 01:05:22PM -0500, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>
>> I think that the Fedora Project's target audience needs to be people who
>> want to work on open source operating systems. If you want to market the
>> Fedora Project, th
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 10:28:11AM +0100, Tomas Mraz wrote:
> I am sorry, but I do not see a real need for special guideline for the
> fipscheck checksums. The policy where these checksums should/will be
> placed should be decided by the fipscheck package itself. Of course I
As soon as multiple p
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 01:05:22PM -0500, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> I think that the Fedora Project's target audience needs to be people who
> want to work on open source operating systems. If you want to market the
> Fedora Project, that's the audience that needs to be addressed.
I don't think t
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> I think that the Fedora Project's target audience needs to be people who
> want to work on open source operating systems. If you want to market the
> Fedora Project, that's the audience that needs to be addressed.
>
> If you want to marke
Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) said:
> I think that the Fedora Project's target audience needs to be people who
> want to work on open source operating systems. If you want to market the
> Fedora Project, that's the audience that needs to be addressed.
>
> If you want to market a physical
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 09:47:13AM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Till Maas wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 09:01:25AM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote:
> >
> > > It's not automatically enforcable that's true but we catch you doing it
> > > (and we have) and we'll do something abou
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 09:15:15AM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 11:02 -0600, Adam Miller wrote:
> > I will agree with that, I can see an application space for certain
> > decisions when presented with conflict, but how often does this happen
> > and how is it currently, as we
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> Unless you were misquoted the question you asked was:
>
> "Isn't it amazing how thousands of contributors doing whatever they want
> created such a spectacular OS?" [1]
That was a rhetorical answer to the question, "Does letting thousands
o
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 10:28:01AM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 9:54 AM, inode0 wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> >> And to answer your question about what "isnt' broken". I suggest you look
> >> at our http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statis
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Robyn Bergeron
wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 9:54 AM, inode0 wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Mike McGrath wrote:
>>> And to answer your question about what "isnt' broken". I suggest you look
>>> at our http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics page.
On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, inode0 wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> > On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, inode0 wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> >> > And to answer your question about what "isnt' broken". I suggest you
> >> > look
> >> > at our htt
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, inode0 wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Mike McGrath wrote:
>> > And to answer your question about what "isnt' broken". I suggest you look
>> > at our http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics page. We've only
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 9:54 AM, inode0 wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Mike McGrath wrote:
>> And to answer your question about what "isnt' broken". I suggest you look
>> at our http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics page. We've only seen
>> growth in 2 of our last 6 releases. Thin
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