Re: genkey Segmentation fault

2010-10-11 Thread Philip Prindeville
  On 10/10/10 12:25 PM, Philip Prindeville wrote:
On 10/9/10 2:54 PM, fkoo...@tuxed.net wrote:
 On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Philip Prindeville
 philipp_s...@redfish-solutions.com   wrote:
 Any suggestions?
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=genkey

 Regards,
 François
 So... despite being root-caused, there's been no further movement on it in 4 
 months?


Well, as a workaround, I did rpm -q --scripts mod_ssl and figured out what 
the install script was doing, and ran it by hand.  Quicker than waiting for 
genkey to be fixed.


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Re: orphan most of my packages

2010-10-11 Thread Pavel Alexeev (aka Pahan-Hubbitus)
 I took uniconvertor it is needed for ImageMagick.


10.10.2010 18:13, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
 Hello,

 I have no more time to support the following packages in the Fedora.

 jack-audio-connection-kit -- The Jack Audio Connection Kit

 klamav -- Clam Anti-Virus on the KDE Desktop

 man-pages-uk -- Ukrainian man pages from the Linux Documentation Project

 python-alsa -- Python binding for the ALSA library

 qstat -- Real-time Game Server Status for FPS game servers

 uniconvertor -- Universal vector graphics translator



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Re: orphan most of my packages

2010-10-11 Thread Andy Shevchenko
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Pavel Alexeev (aka Pahan-Hubbitus)
fo...@hubbitus.com.ru wrote:
  I took uniconvertor it is needed for ImageMagick.
jfyi: new version of it requires the sk1libs package which is absent
(still?) in Fedora.
Additionally I have some patches for older version. I could send them
to you if you want.

 uniconvertor -- Universal vector graphics translator
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[LICENSE CHANGE] gtk-murrine-engine changes license to dual-licensing LGPLv2.1 and LGPLv3

2010-10-11 Thread Martin Sourada
Hi all,

as required by the licensing guidelines [1] I announce hereby a license
change in gtk-murrine-engine in version 0.98.1 and newer to
dual-licensing LGPLv2.1 and LGPLv3 from GPLv2+. Since the change is to
more permissive licenses, AFAIK nothing in fedora uses
gtk-murrine-engine directly and LGPLvX.Y are acceptable licenses in
fedora, there shouldn't be any issues.

With regards,
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orphaning pychess

2010-10-11 Thread Thomas Spura
Hi list,

I'm orphaning pychess, because I don't use it that often anymore and I
don't have time to take care properly for all the bugs (and it needs
some love...):

23 open bugs:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advancedproduct=Fedoracomponent=pychessbug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=REOPENED

There is already on co-maintainer, maybe he wants to pick this up
(CC'ed in this mail.)

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Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Richard W.M. Jones

I installed and played with Ubuntu 10.10 over the weekend (in a VM),
and I have to say that their installer is very smooth indeed.  It's
starting to make anaconda look distinctly clunky.

Some of the things it does which are IMHO better:

 - starts disk formatting / copying / installing in parallel
   with asking user questions

 - downloads updates in parallel too

 - uses IP geolocation to guess the user's timezone and keyboard
   settings (it's been 100% correct for me each time)

 - suggests a username and hostname based on the user's real name
   (Mac OS X's installer also does this -- it's a nice touch)

This is in contrast to anaconda (certainly from the live CD install)
which seems to be a usability no-go area.

Thoughts?  Can we switch to their installer?

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forked-daapd to replace mt-daapd

2010-10-11 Thread Matej Cepl
mt-daapd in Fedora (and EPEL) is nothing than life of pain (crashes, 
sudden unexaplained stops, etc.) and its upstream is dead.

There is now fork of it (http://blog.technologeek.org/category/hacks/
forked-daapd) which shows some life and hope it could be acutally 
maintained by somebody who at least pretends to know what he is doing (I 
have no way how to evaluate his abilities in better way not being a C 
programmer myself).

Therefore I would suggest to rename and rebase mt-daapd in Fedora to 
forked-daapd.

I have created forked-daapd branch in fedpkg mt-daapd repo with forked-
daapd.spec and I have also collected all known to me patches against mt-
daapd (branches fedora and ensureUTF8; the latter I will try to push 
upstream) to my repo git://gitorious.org/forked-daapd/forked-daapd.git

Of course, I expect, that this will require new Package Review.

Comments, objections? Does anybody else do the same?

Best,

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Re: forked-daapd to replace mt-daapd

2010-10-11 Thread Stephen Gallagher
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On 10/11/2010 08:12 AM, Matej Cepl wrote:
 mt-daapd in Fedora (and EPEL) is nothing than life of pain (crashes, 
 sudden unexaplained stops, etc.) and its upstream is dead.
 
 There is now fork of it (http://blog.technologeek.org/category/hacks/
 forked-daapd) which shows some life and hope it could be acutally 
 maintained by somebody who at least pretends to know what he is doing (I 
 have no way how to evaluate his abilities in better way not being a C 
 programmer myself).
 
 Therefore I would suggest to rename and rebase mt-daapd in Fedora to 
 forked-daapd.
 
 I have created forked-daapd branch in fedpkg mt-daapd repo with forked-
 daapd.spec and I have also collected all known to me patches against mt-
 daapd (branches fedora and ensureUTF8; the latter I will try to push 
 upstream) to my repo git://gitorious.org/forked-daapd/forked-daapd.git
 
 Of course, I expect, that this will require new Package Review.
 
 Comments, objections? Does anybody else do the same?


Being that it's a different upstream project now, you need to create a
new package in Fedora. Once that's reviewed and included in the
packageset, you should raise the question of default inclusion with FESCo.

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Re: forked-daapd to replace mt-daapd

2010-10-11 Thread Matej Cepl
Stephen Gallagher, Mon, 11 Oct 2010 08:20:08 -0400:
 Being that it's a different upstream project now, you need to create a
 new package in Fedora. Once that's reviewed and included in the
 packageset, you should raise the question of default inclusion with
 FESCo.

Sure, no problem. Just I don't understand what I do need FESCO for? For 
obsoleting the old package?

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Re: forked-daapd to replace mt-daapd

2010-10-11 Thread Stephen Gallagher
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On 10/11/2010 08:30 AM, Matej Cepl wrote:
 Stephen Gallagher, Mon, 11 Oct 2010 08:20:08 -0400:
 Being that it's a different upstream project now, you need to create a
 new package in Fedora. Once that's reviewed and included in the
 packageset, you should raise the question of default inclusion with
 FESCo.
 
 Sure, no problem. Just I don't understand what I do need FESCO for? For 
 obsoleting the old package?

Sorry, I think I was confusing daapd with another (system-critical)
component. You probably need to contact the maintainer of the original
mt-daapd and make sure they're on-board with switching to this new
forked version, as well as trying to identify any applications that
depend on mt-daapd and work with them to ensure that forked-daapd either
won't break their packages or they can at least release updates
simultaneously.

If you are in fact the maintainer of mt-daapd, the first part should be
easy. :)

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Re: forked-daapd to replace mt-daapd

2010-10-11 Thread Matej Cepl
Stephen Gallagher, Mon, 11 Oct 2010 08:34:18 -0400:
 Sorry, I think I was confusing daapd with another (system-critical)
 component. You probably need to contact the maintainer of the original
 mt-daapd and make sure they're on-board with switching to this new
 forked version, as well as trying to identify any applications that
 depend on mt-daapd and work with them to ensure that forked-daapd either
 won't break their packages or they can at least release updates
 simultaneously.
 
 If you are in fact the maintainer of mt-daapd, the first part should be
 easy. :)

No I am not, but CC of the parent message was sent to mt-daapd-ow...@fp.o

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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 6:41 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote:

 I installed and played with Ubuntu 10.10 over the weekend (in a VM),
 and I have to say that their installer is very smooth indeed.  It's
 starting to make anaconda look distinctly clunky.

 Some of the things it does which are IMHO better:

  - starts disk formatting / copying / installing in parallel
   with asking user questions

  - downloads updates in parallel too

  - uses IP geolocation to guess the user's timezone and keyboard
   settings (it's been 100% correct for me each time)

  - suggests a username and hostname based on the user's real name
   (Mac OS X's installer also does this -- it's a nice touch)

 This is in contrast to anaconda (certainly from the live CD install)
 which seems to be a usability no-go area.

 Thoughts?  Can we switch to their installer?

I would like to see you create a Fedora Remix spin with this change to
illustrate the benefits.  That way we can evaluate feasibility and
overall value add before we dive head first into it across the whole
project.

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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 09:51:41AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
 I would like to see you create a Fedora Remix spin with this change to
 illustrate the benefits.  That way we can evaluate feasibility and
 overall value add before we dive head first into it across the whole
 project.

Proving what?  You can just imagine what a rebranded Ubuntu installer
that installed Fedora would look like.  My point anyway is that we
could look at Ubuntu for ideas, because the first point of contact
with users is now very smooth and (maybe) first impressions matter.

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Re: e4defrag repetable segfault (Re: e4defrag support?)

2010-10-11 Thread Eric Sandeen
Michał Piotrowski wrote:
 e4defrag[23597]: segfault at 20 ip 0040232c sp
 7fff5bb0cd20 error 4 in e4defrag[40+5000]
 
 This is caused by the race between rm and e4defrag
 
 repeatable with attached
 canto_della_terra2.sh /mnt/tmp/test/ /mnt/tmp/reply.sh 50
 
 Regards,
 Michal
 

File a bug please?  Also, what is reply.sh?

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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Peter Lemenkov
2010/10/11 Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com:

 I would like to see you create a Fedora Remix spin with this change to
 illustrate the benefits.  That way we can evaluate feasibility and
 overall value add before we dive head first into it across the whole
 project.

Useless waste of time. Just grab Ubuntu iso and see a stunning gap in
both technology and usability between anaconda and their own
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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Peter Jones
On 10/11/2010 10:21 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
 On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 09:51:41AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
 I would like to see you create a Fedora Remix spin with this change to
 illustrate the benefits.  That way we can evaluate feasibility and
 overall value add before we dive head first into it across the whole
 project.
 
 Proving what?  You can just imagine what a rebranded Ubuntu installer
 that installed Fedora would look like.  My point anyway is that we
 could look at Ubuntu for ideas, because the first point of contact
 with users is now very smooth and (maybe) first impressions matter.

Do you seriously believe that we don't look at other OS installers,
including Ubuntu's, for ideas?

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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 15:21 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
 On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 09:51:41AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
  I would like to see you create a Fedora Remix spin with this change to
  illustrate the benefits.  That way we can evaluate feasibility and
  overall value add before we dive head first into it across the whole
  project.
 
 Proving what?  You can just imagine what a rebranded Ubuntu installer
 that installed Fedora would look like.  My point anyway is that we
 could look at Ubuntu for ideas, because the first point of contact
 with users is now very smooth and (maybe) first impressions matter.

We do.

Porting Fedora to the Ubuntu installer would be rather more work than
just adding those features to anaconda.  You might get a more favorable
reaction by phrasing your RFEs positively (this is a neat thing that
these guys are doing, we should look into it) rather than negatively
(we should throw away what we're currently using and switch).

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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 03:21:40PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:

 Proving what?  You can just imagine what a rebranded Ubuntu installer
 that installed Fedora would look like.  My point anyway is that we
 could look at Ubuntu for ideas, because the first point of contact
 with users is now very smooth and (maybe) first impressions matter.

Maybe the virt-manager developers could spend some more time looking at 
vmware? This isn't a good way to have a worthwhile discussion. A 
description of the factors that you feel make Ubiquity better than 
Anaconda would be a much better way to handle this.

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Re: e4defrag repetable segfault (Re: e4defrag support?)

2010-10-11 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/10/11 Eric Sandeen sand...@redhat.com:
 Michał Piotrowski wrote:
 e4defrag[23597]: segfault at 20 ip 0040232c sp
 7fff5bb0cd20 error 4 in e4defrag[40+5000]

 This is caused by the race between rm and e4defrag

 repeatable with attached
 canto_della_terra2.sh /mnt/tmp/test/ /mnt/tmp/reply.sh 50

 Regards,
 Michal


 File a bug please?

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=641926

  Also, what is reply.sh?

It's file where cdt scripts stores it's actions - you can try to reply
them (although it is difficult because of the racing nature of cdt
script)


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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Chris Lumens
 Useless waste of time. Just grab Ubuntu iso and see a stunning gap in
 both technology and usability between anaconda and their own
 installed.

Does the Ubuntu installer support installing to iscsi?  Multipath?
CCISS?  Fully automated installation?  Install over VNC?  Installation
from NFS, ISO on NFS, ISO on HD?  Live images on USB keys?  Driver
disks?

Do you have any idea how much crap anaconda really does?

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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Adam Miller
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:48:44AM -0400, Chris Lumens wrote:
  Useless waste of time. Just grab Ubuntu iso and see a stunning gap in
  both technology and usability between anaconda and their own
  installed.
 
 Does the Ubuntu installer support installing to iscsi?  Multipath?
 CCISS?  Fully automated installation?  Install over VNC?  Installation
 from NFS, ISO on NFS, ISO on HD?  Live images on USB keys?  Driver
 disks?
 
 Do you have any idea how much crap anaconda really does?
SNIP

A big epic +1

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[Bug 633752] perl-Test-NeedsDisplay-1.07 is available

2010-10-11 Thread bugzilla
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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Chris Lumens
  - downloads updates in parallel too

Package updates?

  - uses IP geolocation to guess the user's timezone and keyboard
settings (it's been 100% correct for me each time)

We can do this, it's just never really been brought up.  I'd like to
rework a lot of the l10n stuff anyway, there just never seems to be
time.

  - suggests a username and hostname based on the user's real name
(Mac OS X's installer also does this -- it's a nice touch)

If DNS knows a hostname, we will suggest that.  Of course it's not
foolproof.

mgracik is working on the username suggestion thing already.

 Thoughts?  Can we switch to their installer?

No.

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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 11:41 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
 I installed and played with Ubuntu 10.10 over the weekend (in a VM),
 and I have to say that their installer is very smooth indeed.  It's
 starting to make anaconda look distinctly clunky.
 
 Some of the things it does which are IMHO better:
 
  - starts disk formatting / copying / installing in parallel
with asking user questions
 
  - downloads updates in parallel too
 
  - uses IP geolocation to guess the user's timezone and keyboard
settings (it's been 100% correct for me each time)
 
  - suggests a username and hostname based on the user's real name
(Mac OS X's installer also does this -- it's a nice touch)
 
 This is in contrast to anaconda (certainly from the live CD install)
 which seems to be a usability no-go area.
 
 Thoughts?  Can we switch to their installer?
 
 Rich.
 

Comparing the Ubuntu 10.04 DVD installer (which I use a couple of weeks
ago) to Fedora 13 DVD installer is like comparing the Cessna to a Boeing
747.
Sure, both can accomplish the same task. Read: transporting people from
one airport to another, but lets see you try transporting 400 peoples
from London to NY using a Cessna... 

The same logic applies to the Ubuntu installer: As long as you require a
fairly basic -desktop- configuration (Read: No fancy storage, no LVM, no
fancy setup source [nfs, dvd, http], -very- basic encryption, standard
software set and repository selection, etc), the Ubuntu installer is a
great tool, but once you need something complex, you're screwed.

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File Padre-0.72.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by mmaslano

2010-10-11 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Padre:

d187654500fd819a70f8e82052d93db4  Padre-0.72.tar.gz
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[perl-Padre] Update to 0.72 Stable release, remove unnecessary BR and R.

2010-10-11 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit cee373141e324aa82d7ef3a4f8339c5080b1ecd7
Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com
Date:   Mon Oct 11 17:42:27 2010 +0200

Update to 0.72
Stable release, remove unnecessary BR and R.

 .gitignore  |1 +
 perl-Padre.spec |   27 ++-
 sources |2 +-
 3 files changed, 16 insertions(+), 14 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/.gitignore b/.gitignore
index 31faa84..9022786 100644
--- a/.gitignore
+++ b/.gitignore
@@ -1 +1,2 @@
 Padre-0.64.tar.gz
+/Padre-0.72.tar.gz
diff --git a/perl-Padre.spec b/perl-Padre.spec
index b254855..c677c4b 100644
--- a/perl-Padre.spec
+++ b/perl-Padre.spec
@@ -1,16 +1,14 @@
 Name:   perl-Padre
-Version:0.64
+Version:0.72
 Release:1%{?dist}
 Summary:Perl Application Development and Refactoring Environment
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
 URL:http://search.cpan.org/dist/Padre/
 Source0:
http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/P/PL/PLAVEN/Padre-%{version}.tar.gz
-BuildRoot:  %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(%{__id_u} -n)
 BuildArch:  noarch
 BuildRequires:  gettext
 BuildRequires:  perl(Alien::wxWidgets) = 0.46
-BuildRequires:  perl(App::Ack) = 1.86
 BuildRequires:  perl(Capture::Tiny) = 0.06
 BuildRequires:  perl(Class::Adapter) = 1.05
 BuildRequires:  perl(Class::Unload) = 0.03
@@ -35,7 +33,6 @@ BuildRequires:  perl(File::Copy::Recursive) = 0.37
 BuildRequires:  perl(File::Find::Rule) = 0.30
 BuildRequires:  perl(File::Glob)
 BuildRequires:  perl(File::HomeDir) = 0.84
-BuildRequires:  perl(File::Next) = 1.06
 BuildRequires:  perl(File::Path) = 2.07
 BuildRequires:  perl(File::Remove) = 1.42
 BuildRequires:  perl(File::ShareDir) = 1.00
@@ -59,28 +56,29 @@ BuildRequires:  perl(IPC::Open3)
 BuildRequires:  perl(List::MoreUtils) = 0.22
 BuildRequires:  perl(List::Util) = 1.18
 BuildRequires:  perl(Locale::Msgfmt) = 0.14
+BuildRequires:  perl(LWP) = 5.815
 BuildRequires:  perl(Module::Build) = 0.3603
 BuildRequires:  perl(Module::CoreList)
+BuildRequires:  perl(Module::Manifest) = 0.07
 BuildRequires:  perl(Module::Refresh) = 0.13
 BuildRequires:  perl(Module::Starter) = 1.50
 BuildRequires:  perl(ORLite) = 1.41
-BuildRequires:  perl(POSIX)
-BuildRequires:  perl(PPI) = 1.205
-BuildRequires:  perl(PPIx::EditorTools) = 0.09
-BuildRequires:  perl(PPIx::Regexp) = 0.005
 BuildRequires:  perl(Params::Util) = 0.33
 BuildRequires:  perl(Parse::ErrorString::Perl) = 0.11
 BuildRequires:  perl(Parse::ExuberantCTags) = 1.00
-BuildRequires:  perl(pip) = 0.13
 BuildRequires:  perl(Pod::Abstract) = 0.16
 BuildRequires:  perl(Pod::Functions)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Pod::POM) = 0.17
 BuildRequires:  perl(Pod::Perldoc) = 3.15
 BuildRequires:  perl(Pod::Simple) = 3.07
 BuildRequires:  perl(Pod::Simple::XHTML) = 3.04
-BuildRequires:  perl(Readonly::XS) = 1.05
+BuildRequires:  perl(POSIX)
+BuildRequires:  perl(PPI) = 1.205
+BuildRequires:  perl(PPIx::EditorTools) = 0.09
+BuildRequires:  perl(PPIx::Regexp) = 0.005
 BuildRequires:  perl(Probe::Perl) = 0.01
 BuildRequires:  perl(Storable) = 2.15
+BuildRequires:  perl(Template::Tiny) = 0.11
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Exception) = 0.27
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::MockObject) = 1.09
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::More) = 0.88
@@ -98,7 +96,7 @@ BuildRequires:  perl(YAML::Tiny) = 1.32
 BuildRequires:  perl(threads) = 1.71
 BuildRequires:  perl(threads::shared) = 1.26
 BuildRequires:  perl(version) = 0.80
-Requires:   perl(App::Ack) = 1.86
+Requires:   perl(App::cpanminus) = 0.9923
 Requires:   perl(Class::Adapter) = 1.05
 Requires:   perl(Class::Unload) = 0.03
 Requires:   perl(Class::XSAccessor) = 1.05
@@ -120,7 +118,6 @@ Requires:   perl(File::Copy::Recursive) = 0.37
 Requires:   perl(File::Find::Rule) = 0.30
 Requires:   perl(File::Glob)
 Requires:   perl(File::HomeDir) = 0.84
-Requires:   perl(File::Next) = 1.06
 Requires:   perl(File::Path) = 2.07
 Requires:   perl(File::Remove) = 1.42
 Requires:   perl(File::ShareDir) = 1.00
@@ -141,6 +138,8 @@ Requires:   perl(IO::Socket) = 1.30
 Requires:   perl(IO::String) = 1.08
 Requires:   perl(IPC::Open2)
 Requires:   perl(IPC::Open3)
+Requires:   perl(IPC::Run) = 0.83
+Requires:   perl(JSON::XS) = 2.29
 Requires:   perl(List::MoreUtils) = 0.22
 Requires:   perl(List::Util) = 1.18
 Requires:   perl(Module::Build) = 0.3603
@@ -155,7 +154,6 @@ Requires:   perl(PPIx::Regexp) = 0.005
 Requires:   perl(Params::Util) = 0.33
 Requires:   perl(Parse::ErrorString::Perl) = 0.11
 Requires:   perl(Parse::ExuberantCTags) = 1.00
-Requires:   perl(pip) = 0.13
 Requires:   perl(Pod::Abstract) = 0.16
 Requires:   perl(Pod::Functions)
 Requires:   perl(Pod::Perldoc) = 3.15
@@ -233,6 +231,9 @@ rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
 
 
 %changelog
+* Mon Oct 11 2010 Marcela Mašláňpvá mmasl...@redhat.com 0.72-1
+- update and remove uncessary BR and R
+
 * Tue Jun 22 

Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/10/11 Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com:

 I installed and played with Ubuntu 10.10 over the weekend (in a VM),
 and I have to say that their installer is very smooth indeed.  It's
 starting to make anaconda look distinctly clunky.

 Some of the things it does which are IMHO better:

  - starts disk formatting / copying / installing in parallel
   with asking user questions

  - downloads updates in parallel too

  - uses IP geolocation to guess the user's timezone and keyboard
   settings (it's been 100% correct for me each time)

  - suggests a username and hostname based on the user's real name
   (Mac OS X's installer also does this -- it's a nice touch)

 This is in contrast to anaconda (certainly from the live CD install)
 which seems to be a usability no-go area.

 Thoughts?

Which of these functions can not be implemented in anaconda?

 Can we switch to their installer?

Does it support text based minimal install?


 Rich.


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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 05:53:20PM +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote:

 Does it support text based minimal install?

debian-installer? Yes.

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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Jon Masters
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 17:39 +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote:

 Comparing the Ubuntu 10.04 DVD installer (which I use a couple of weeks
 ago) to Fedora 13 DVD installer is like comparing the Cessna to a Boeing
 747.
 Sure, both can accomplish the same task. Read: transporting people from
 one airport to another, but lets see you try transporting 400 peoples
 from London to NY using a Cessna... 
 
 The same logic applies to the Ubuntu installer: As long as you require a
 fairly basic -desktop- configuration (Read: No fancy storage, no LVM, no
 fancy setup source [nfs, dvd, http], -very- basic encryption, standard
 software set and repository selection, etc), the Ubuntu installer is a
 great tool, but once you need something complex, you're screwed.

That's all true. I've found the Ubuntu installer looks /very/ polished
and nice for very common install cases, but I always use LVM on every
install that I do, and last time I did a VM install of Ubuntu, I had to
switch to a VT and get LVM sorted on the command line. Not super user
friendly as compared with Anaconda. Other installers were even more of a
joke doing this stuff. Tried doing LVM on Gentoo? :) Things like LVM and
VNC do really matter, and not just for Enterprise users. You don't
need to use LVM w/wo RAID, you can just do bare partitions if you don't
care about being able to do anything useful with your disks at all :)

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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread John Reiser
On 10/11/2010 03:41 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:

 Some of the things [Ubuntu 10.10 installer] does which are IMHO better:
 
  - starts disk formatting / copying / installing in parallel
with asking user questions
 
  - downloads updates in parallel too

What was the wall-clock duration from Go! to done?
Should be about 140 seconds for a 32X CD-ROM: (700MB / 5MB/s).
{Fetch_from_media_or_download, and uncompress_package_to_pieces_in_RAMfs}
parallelizes almost perfectly with package install, even with only one CPU.

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[Bug 633737] perl-Padre-0.70 is available

2010-10-11 Thread bugzilla
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Bug 633737 depends on bug 636518, which changed state.

Bug 636518 Summary: JSON-XS-2.3 bump
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=636518

   What|Old Value   |New Value

 Resolution||RAWHIDE
 Status|NEW |CLOSED

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[Bug 636518] JSON-XS-2.3 bump

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Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |CLOSED
 Resolution||RAWHIDE
Last Closed||2010-10-11 12:17:01

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[Bug 633737] perl-Padre-0.70 is available

2010-10-11 Thread bugzilla
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Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED
 Resolution||RAWHIDE
Last Closed||2010-10-11 12:14:49

--- Comment #5 from Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com 2010-10-11 12:14:49 
EDT ---
Updated to 0.72.

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[perl-Padre] Fixed releases of BR and R mentioned by ppisar in 633737.

2010-10-11 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit 8d8fba8c83d4a1095d99bb40e472ea92915c693a
Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com
Date:   Mon Oct 11 18:16:03 2010 +0200

Fixed releases of BR and R mentioned by ppisar in 633737.

 perl-Padre.spec |   30 +-
 1 files changed, 17 insertions(+), 13 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl-Padre.spec b/perl-Padre.spec
index c677c4b..1aad226 100644
--- a/perl-Padre.spec
+++ b/perl-Padre.spec
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
 Name:   perl-Padre
 Version:0.72
-Release:1%{?dist}
+Release:2%{?dist}
 Summary:Perl Application Development and Refactoring Environment
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
@@ -22,7 +22,7 @@ BuildRequires:  perl(Data::Dumper)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Debug::Client) = 0.11
 BuildRequires:  perl(Devel::Dumpvar) = 0.04
 BuildRequires:  perl(Devel::Refactor) = 0.05
-BuildRequires:  perl(Digest::MD5)
+BuildRequires:  perl(Digest::MD5) = 2.38
 BuildRequires:  perl(Encode) = 2.26
 # perl(ExtUtils::Embed) because Padre build system supports win32.
 BuildRequires:  perl(ExtUtils::Embed)
@@ -32,7 +32,7 @@ BuildRequires:  perl(File::Basename)
 BuildRequires:  perl(File::Copy::Recursive) = 0.37
 BuildRequires:  perl(File::Find::Rule) = 0.30
 BuildRequires:  perl(File::Glob)
-BuildRequires:  perl(File::HomeDir) = 0.84
+BuildRequires:  perl(File::HomeDir) = 0.91
 BuildRequires:  perl(File::Path) = 2.07
 BuildRequires:  perl(File::Remove) = 1.42
 BuildRequires:  perl(File::ShareDir) = 1.00
@@ -40,7 +40,7 @@ BuildRequires:  perl(File::ShareDir) = 1.00
 BuildRequires:  perl(File::Spec) = 3.28
 # Real version perl(File::Spec::Functions) = 3.2701 rounded
 BuildRequires:  perl(File::Spec::Functions) = 3.28
-BuildRequires:  perl(File::Temp)
+BuildRequires:  perl(File::Temp) = 0.20
 BuildRequires:  perl(File::Which) = 1.08
 BuildRequires:  perl(File::pushd) = 1.00
 BuildRequires:  perl(FindBin)
@@ -73,7 +73,7 @@ BuildRequires:  perl(Pod::Perldoc) = 3.15
 BuildRequires:  perl(Pod::Simple) = 3.07
 BuildRequires:  perl(Pod::Simple::XHTML) = 3.04
 BuildRequires:  perl(POSIX)
-BuildRequires:  perl(PPI) = 1.205
+BuildRequires:  perl(PPI) = 1.213
 BuildRequires:  perl(PPIx::EditorTools) = 0.09
 BuildRequires:  perl(PPIx::Regexp) = 0.005
 BuildRequires:  perl(Probe::Perl) = 0.01
@@ -88,13 +88,13 @@ BuildRequires:  perl(Template::Tiny) = 0.11
 BuildRequires:  perl(Text::Balanced) = 2.01
 BuildRequires:  perl(Text::Diff) = 0.35
 BuildRequires:  perl(Text::FindIndent) = 0.06
-BuildRequires:  perl(Thread::Queue) = 2.11
+BuildRequires:  perl(Time::HiRes) = 1.9718
 BuildRequires:  perl(URI)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Wx) = 0.91
 BuildRequires:  perl(Wx::Perl::ProcessStream) = 0.25
 BuildRequires:  perl(YAML::Tiny) = 1.32
 BuildRequires:  perl(threads) = 1.71
-BuildRequires:  perl(threads::shared) = 1.26
+BuildRequires:  perl(threads::shared) = 1.33
 BuildRequires:  perl(version) = 0.80
 Requires:   perl(App::cpanminus) = 0.9923
 Requires:   perl(Class::Adapter) = 1.05
@@ -109,7 +109,7 @@ Requires:   perl(Data::Dumper)
 Requires:   perl(Debug::Client) = 0.11
 Requires:   perl(Devel::Dumpvar) = 0.04
 Requires:   perl(Devel::Refactor) = 0.05
-Requires:   perl(Digest::MD5)
+Requires:   perl(Digest::MD5) = 2.38
 Requires:   perl(Encode) = 2.26
 Requires:   perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker) = 6.56
 Requires:   perl(ExtUtils::Manifest) = 1.56
@@ -117,7 +117,7 @@ Requires:   perl(File::Basename)
 Requires:   perl(File::Copy::Recursive) = 0.37
 Requires:   perl(File::Find::Rule) = 0.30
 Requires:   perl(File::Glob)
-Requires:   perl(File::HomeDir) = 0.84
+Requires:   perl(File::HomeDir) = 0.91
 Requires:   perl(File::Path) = 2.07
 Requires:   perl(File::Remove) = 1.42
 Requires:   perl(File::ShareDir) = 1.00
@@ -125,7 +125,7 @@ Requires:   perl(File::ShareDir) = 1.00
 Requires:   perl(File::Spec) = 3.28
 # Real version perl(File::Spec::Functions) = 3.2701 rounded
 Requires:   perl(File::Spec::Functions) = 3.28
-Requires:   perl(File::Temp)
+Requires:   perl(File::Temp) = 0.20
 Requires:   perl(File::Which) = 1.08
 Requires:   perl(File::pushd) = 1.00
 Requires:   perl(FindBin)
@@ -144,11 +144,12 @@ Requires:   perl(List::MoreUtils) = 0.22
 Requires:   perl(List::Util) = 1.18
 Requires:   perl(Module::Build) = 0.3603
 Requires:   perl(Module::CoreList)
+Requires:   perl(Module::Manifest) = 0.07
 Requires:   perl(Module::Refresh) = 0.13
 Requires:   perl(Module::Starter) = 1.50
 Requires:   perl(ORLite) = 1.41
 Requires:   perl(POSIX)
-Requires:   perl(PPI) = 1.205
+Requires:   perl(PPI) = 1.213
 Requires:   perl(PPIx::EditorTools) = 0.09
 Requires:   perl(PPIx::Regexp) = 0.005
 Requires:   perl(Params::Util) = 0.33
@@ -167,13 +168,13 @@ Requires:   perl(Template::Tiny) = 0.11
 Requires:   perl(Text::Balanced) = 2.01
 Requires:   perl(Text::Diff) = 0.35
 Requires:   

RFC: Upgrade Banshee to 1.8.0 in F13

2010-10-11 Thread Nathaniel McCallum
I'd like to propose that we upgrade banshee (and
banshee-community-extensions) to 1.8.0 in F13.  I estimate that this
will close about half our open bugs.  Doing this will require the
following package upgrades in F13:

* clutter-sharp - Upgrade (I'm pretty sure Banshee is the only user)
* gio-sharp - New
* gudev-sharp - New
* gkeyfile-sharp - New
* gtk-sharp-beans - New
* libgpod - Upgrade (0.7.93  0.7.95; bugfix release)

The only thing complicated here is the buildroot override requirement
and making sure that we ship the new banshee-community-extensions in the
same update as the new banshee.

Currently, I do not think it is feasible to backport this to F12, so F13
would be the latest version.

Thoughts? Comments?

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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Liang Suilong
I think anaconda is better than ubuntu installer.

Ubuntu installer does not support LVM and RAID. I need these features.

Anaconda does not easily support upgrading from internet. It is quite
regretful.

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:14 AM, John Reiser jrei...@bitwagon.com wrote:

 On 10/11/2010 03:41 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:

  Some of the things [Ubuntu 10.10 installer] does which are IMHO better:
 
   - starts disk formatting / copying / installing in parallel
 with asking user questions
 
   - downloads updates in parallel too

 What was the wall-clock duration from Go! to done?
 Should be about 140 seconds for a 32X CD-ROM: (700MB / 5MB/s).
 {Fetch_from_media_or_download, and uncompress_package_to_pieces_in_RAMfs}
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Re: RFC: Upgrade Banshee to 1.8.0 in F13

2010-10-11 Thread Andy Shevchenko
Agree if the maintainer enables the MPRISv2 support there.

On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Nathaniel McCallum
nathan...@natemccallum.com wrote:
 I'd like to propose that we upgrade banshee (and
 banshee-community-extensions) to 1.8.0 in F13.  I estimate that this
 will close about half our open bugs.  Doing this will require the
 following package upgrades in F13:

 * clutter-sharp - Upgrade (I'm pretty sure Banshee is the only user)
 * gio-sharp - New
 * gudev-sharp - New
 * gkeyfile-sharp - New
 * gtk-sharp-beans - New
 * libgpod - Upgrade (0.7.93  0.7.95; bugfix release)

 The only thing complicated here is the buildroot override requirement
 and making sure that we ship the new banshee-community-extensions in the
 same update as the new banshee.

 Currently, I do not think it is feasible to backport this to F12, so F13
 would be the latest version.

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Re: RFC: Upgrade Banshee to 1.8.0 in F13

2010-10-11 Thread Nathaniel McCallum
Well, seeing as I am one of the maintainers, I don't have a problem with
that.  Does anyone know if it is disabled for a reason?

On 10/11/2010 12:38 PM, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
 Agree if the maintainer enables the MPRISv2 support there.
 
 On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Nathaniel McCallum
 nathan...@natemccallum.com wrote:
 I'd like to propose that we upgrade banshee (and
 banshee-community-extensions) to 1.8.0 in F13.  I estimate that this
 will close about half our open bugs.  Doing this will require the
 following package upgrades in F13:

 * clutter-sharp - Upgrade (I'm pretty sure Banshee is the only user)
 * gio-sharp - New
 * gudev-sharp - New
 * gkeyfile-sharp - New
 * gtk-sharp-beans - New
 * libgpod - Upgrade (0.7.93  0.7.95; bugfix release)

 The only thing complicated here is the buildroot override requirement
 and making sure that we ship the new banshee-community-extensions in the
 same update as the new banshee.

 Currently, I do not think it is feasible to backport this to F12, so F13
 would be the latest version.

 Thoughts? Comments?

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Re: RFC: Upgrade Banshee to 1.8.0 in F13

2010-10-11 Thread Nathaniel McCallum
I don't actually see that as a build option in either banshee or
banshee-community-extensions.  Am I missing something?

Nathaniel

On 10/11/2010 12:38 PM, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
 Agree if the maintainer enables the MPRISv2 support there.
 
 On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Nathaniel McCallum
 nathan...@natemccallum.com wrote:
 I'd like to propose that we upgrade banshee (and
 banshee-community-extensions) to 1.8.0 in F13.  I estimate that this
 will close about half our open bugs.  Doing this will require the
 following package upgrades in F13:

 * clutter-sharp - Upgrade (I'm pretty sure Banshee is the only user)
 * gio-sharp - New
 * gudev-sharp - New
 * gkeyfile-sharp - New
 * gtk-sharp-beans - New
 * libgpod - Upgrade (0.7.93  0.7.95; bugfix release)

 The only thing complicated here is the buildroot override requirement
 and making sure that we ship the new banshee-community-extensions in the
 same update as the new banshee.

 Currently, I do not think it is feasible to backport this to F12, so F13
 would be the latest version.

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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 10:48 -0400, Chris Lumens wrote:
  Useless waste of time. Just grab Ubuntu iso and see a stunning gap in
  both technology and usability between anaconda and their own
  installed.
 
 Does the Ubuntu installer support installing to iscsi?  Multipath?
 CCISS?  Fully automated installation?  Install over VNC?  Installation
 from NFS, ISO on NFS, ISO on HD?  Live images on USB keys?  Driver
 disks?
 
 Do you have any idea how much crap anaconda really does?

That is certainly a big part of the problem. Anaconda does a _ton_ of
crap that only very few users care about. And keeping all these minority
features from falling apart is leaving you no time to polish the user
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Re: RFC: Upgrade Banshee to 1.8.0 in F13

2010-10-11 Thread Andy Shevchenko
There is the file in the source tree called 'Banshee.Mpris.addin.xml'.
It contains plugin info (? sorry, I'm not familiar with c# projects at
all), where
 defaultEnabled=false

And commit which brought that support tells the same by default it's disabled

On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Nathaniel McCallum
nathan...@natemccallum.com wrote:
 I don't actually see that as a build option in either banshee or
 banshee-community-extensions.  Am I missing something?

 Nathaniel

 On 10/11/2010 12:38 PM, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
 Agree if the maintainer enables the MPRISv2 support there.

 On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Nathaniel McCallum
 nathan...@natemccallum.com wrote:
 I'd like to propose that we upgrade banshee (and
 banshee-community-extensions) to 1.8.0 in F13.  I estimate that this
 will close about half our open bugs.  Doing this will require the
 following package upgrades in F13:

 * clutter-sharp - Upgrade (I'm pretty sure Banshee is the only user)
 * gio-sharp - New
 * gudev-sharp - New
 * gkeyfile-sharp - New
 * gtk-sharp-beans - New
 * libgpod - Upgrade (0.7.93  0.7.95; bugfix release)

 The only thing complicated here is the buildroot override requirement
 and making sure that we ship the new banshee-community-extensions in the
 same update as the new banshee.

 Currently, I do not think it is feasible to backport this to F12, so F13
 would be the latest version.

 Thoughts? Comments?

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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthias Clasen (mcla...@redhat.com) said: 
 That is certainly a big part of the problem. Anaconda does a _ton_ of
 crap that only very few users care about. And keeping all these minority
 features from falling apart is leaving you no time to polish the user
 experience for the large majority of users.

Correct. And any time it's suggested that certain parts of that crap
be removed to streamline things, people come screaming. (The discussion
about pruning the install methods is the one that comes to mind...
mm, nfsiso and hard drive installs.)

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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Bill Nottingham
Chris Lumens (clum...@redhat.com) said: 
   - downloads updates in parallel too
 
 Package updates?

1) Given that it's using yum, downloading multiple things in parallel
would need to be fixed there.
2) If it means downloading packages in the background while it does
other tasks, given that package selection is the final task in the
current workflow, it would require reordering the workflow to be
beneficial. (Which becomes a memory usage tradeoff.)

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Re: Git commit in all available branches

2010-10-11 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 09:07:17 +1000
Jeff Fearn jfe...@redhat.com wrote:

 On Fri, 2010-10-08 at 13:56 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
  On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 18:03:04 +0400
  Pavel Alexeev (aka Pahan-Hubbitus) fo...@hubbitus.com.ru wrote:
  
In most cases I try sync all branches if there no real reasons to
   make differences.
  
  ...snip... 
  
  I would hope a real reason would be that the update is not a
  security or bugfix only update, right? 
 
 IMHO it depends on what kind of software it is.
 
 I push releases of applications to all current Fedora releases. The
 users want the new features, it's what they have been bugging me for.
 
 If I was working on glibc or X I might not do that, but applications
 should be pushed back unless there is some system level constraint
 preventing it.
 
 So I too would like a commit to all branches or sync all branches
 to this one command. 

If it doesn't change the user experience, and fixes bugs or security
issues, then great. ;) If it's a major update which does change the
user experience, breaks ABI/API, or adds a bunch of new functionality,
then please don't. 

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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread James Laska
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 13:16 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
 Matthias Clasen (mcla...@redhat.com) said: 
  That is certainly a big part of the problem. Anaconda does a _ton_ of
  crap that only very few users care about. And keeping all these minority
  features from falling apart is leaving you no time to polish the user
  experience for the large majority of users.
 
 Correct. And any time it's suggested that certain parts of that crap
 be removed to streamline things, people come screaming. (The discussion
 about pruning the install methods is the one that comes to mind...
 mm, nfsiso and hard drive installs.)

The permutations are exhaustive.

https://www.redhat.com/archives/anaconda-devel-list/2010-May/msg00305.html

Thanks,
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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Jos Vos
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 01:07:26PM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:

 That is certainly a big part of the problem. Anaconda does a _ton_ of
 crap that only very few users care about. And keeping all these minority
 features from falling apart is leaving you no time to polish the user
 experience for the large majority of users.

I do not see why we should remove functionality (and almost everything
is there for a good reason) to polish the user experience.  I do not
even see that the latter is needed (the things mentioned in the initial
mail we really minor things and/or probably quite easy to add), but
that's maybe my fault as a hard-core UNIX guy...

I recently had to install a SLES system for some experimental reason
and ended up with a screwed-up system (read: MBR), probably because
the user experience was so polished that it didn't want to ask me
the things it *should* have asked :(.

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Re: RFC: Upgrade Banshee to 1.8.0 in F13

2010-10-11 Thread Andy Shevchenko
Ah, if I understand correctly you don't need to do anything. It's just
default which is off, and could be on by user demand. But, it would be
better to have the default is on.

On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Nathaniel McCallum
nathan...@natemccallum.com wrote:
 Christian, do you have any objections to enabling this?

 Nathaniel

 On 10/11/2010 01:16 PM, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
 There is the file in the source tree called 'Banshee.Mpris.addin.xml'.
 It contains plugin info (? sorry, I'm not familiar with c# projects at
 all), where
      defaultEnabled=false

 And commit which brought that support tells the same by default it's 
 disabled

 On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Nathaniel McCallum
 nathan...@natemccallum.com wrote:
 I don't actually see that as a build option in either banshee or
 banshee-community-extensions.  Am I missing something?

 Nathaniel

 On 10/11/2010 12:38 PM, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
 Agree if the maintainer enables the MPRISv2 support there.

 On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Nathaniel McCallum
 nathan...@natemccallum.com wrote:
 I'd like to propose that we upgrade banshee (and
 banshee-community-extensions) to 1.8.0 in F13.  I estimate that this
 will close about half our open bugs.  Doing this will require the
 following package upgrades in F13:

 * clutter-sharp - Upgrade (I'm pretty sure Banshee is the only user)
 * gio-sharp - New
 * gudev-sharp - New
 * gkeyfile-sharp - New
 * gtk-sharp-beans - New
 * libgpod - Upgrade (0.7.93  0.7.95; bugfix release)

 The only thing complicated here is the buildroot override requirement
 and making sure that we ship the new banshee-community-extensions in the
 same update as the new banshee.

 Currently, I do not think it is feasible to backport this to F12, so F13
 would be the latest version.

 Thoughts? Comments?

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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:41:13 +0100,
  Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote:
 
 Some of the things it does which are IMHO better:
 
  - starts disk formatting / copying / installing in parallel
with asking user questions

I think that is a misfeature. I don't want anything irreversible to be done
until I say go.
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Re: RFC: Upgrade Banshee to 1.8.0 in F13

2010-10-11 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 12:20:54 -0400
Nathaniel McCallum nathan...@natemccallum.com wrote:

 I'd like to propose that we upgrade banshee (and
 banshee-community-extensions) to 1.8.0 in F13.  I estimate that this
 will close about half our open bugs.  Doing this will require the
 following package upgrades in F13:
 
 * clutter-sharp - Upgrade (I'm pretty sure Banshee is the only user)
 * gio-sharp - New
 * gudev-sharp - New
 * gkeyfile-sharp - New
 * gtk-sharp-beans - New
 * libgpod - Upgrade (0.7.93  0.7.95; bugfix release)
 
 The only thing complicated here is the buildroot override requirement
 and making sure that we ship the new banshee-community-extensions in
 the same update as the new banshee.
 
 Currently, I do not think it is feasible to backport this to F12, so
 F13 would be the latest version.
 
 Thoughts? Comments?

Well, lets see: 

F13 currently has version 1.6.1 in it. Looks like they follow an 'odd
is unstable/devel, even is release/stable' method. So, all the 1.7.x
releases were development ones. 

I see a lot of bugs fixed, but also a bunch of new features: 
http://banshee.fm/download/archives/1.8.0/

I see 9 open fedora bugs. 

Has the UI changed since 1.6.1? I would suspect so. 

Would the libgpod update require rebuilding or changing anything else?
How many other packages depend on that?

So, this seems to me to be something that would need more rationale/a
stable updates exception. 

All just IMHO. 

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Re: RFC: Upgrade Banshee to 1.8.0 in F13

2010-10-11 Thread Todd Zullinger
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
 Would the libgpod update require rebuilding or changing anything
 else?  How many other packages depend on that?

The libgpod update should be safe.  Though if it was up to me I'd wait
for libgpod to reach 0.8.0.  Upstream is treating 0.7.95 like a
release candidate.  I don't know how long it might take though.

The big change between 0.7.93 and 0.7.95 is that the mono bindings
were added, which is what Banshee 1.8 needs.  I don't have an opinion
on whether Banshee should or shouldn't be updated in a stable release.
I don't use it.

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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 12:09 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
 On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 17:39 +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote:
 
  Comparing the Ubuntu 10.04 DVD installer (which I use a couple of weeks
  ago) to Fedora 13 DVD installer is like comparing the Cessna to a Boeing
  747.
  Sure, both can accomplish the same task. Read: transporting people from
  one airport to another, but lets see you try transporting 400 peoples
  from London to NY using a Cessna... 
  
  The same logic applies to the Ubuntu installer: As long as you require a
  fairly basic -desktop- configuration (Read: No fancy storage, no LVM, no
  fancy setup source [nfs, dvd, http], -very- basic encryption, standard
  software set and repository selection, etc), the Ubuntu installer is a
  great tool, but once you need something complex, you're screwed.
 
 That's all true. I've found the Ubuntu installer looks /very/ polished
 and nice for very common install cases, but I always use LVM on every
 install that I do, and last time I did a VM install of Ubuntu, I had to
 switch to a VT and get LVM sorted on the command line. Not super user
 friendly as compared with Anaconda. Other installers were even more of a
 joke doing this stuff. Tried doing LVM on Gentoo? :) Things like LVM and
 VNC do really matter, and not just for Enterprise users. You don't
 need to use LVM w/wo RAID, you can just do bare partitions if you don't
 care about being able to do anything useful with your disks at all :)

Amen to that.
Given the absurdly cheap price of HD these days, I usually opt for LVM
over software RAID1 / RAID5 on each and every workstation machine I
install.
Achieving the same using the Ubuntu installer would have required a lot
of manual mdadm and lvm pv/vg/lv** commands. (Let alone their basic disk
partitioning tool)

... In their race for Joe-six-pack and Apple like polish, Ubuntu gave up
on many Linux core capabilities. Hopefully Fedora will -not- follow
suite.

- Gilboa

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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 12:44:49 -0500,
  Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote:
  
  I think that is a misfeature. I don't want anything irreversible to be done
  until I say go.
 
 You know that Fedora has done partitioning/mkfs about halfway through
 the install for a while now, right?  I don't see why there would be a
 problem with letting that run in the background while continuing through
 the questions.

I forget which stuff gets done afterwards, since I haven't done a fresh install
for a while now. (I mostly do yum upgrades and play with live USB images.)
But I do remember a clear no/no go point where disk drive file systems get
formatted. Depending on the file systems being used that can take a little
bit of time to complete, but is short compared to the rest of the install.
I tend to do install all of the games, so my installs may take longer than
average. I also always do custom disk layouts, so I might see things a bit
different from people that don't do that.
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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread seth vidal
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 13:18 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
 Chris Lumens (clum...@redhat.com) said: 
- downloads updates in parallel too
  
  Package updates?
 
 1) Given that it's using yum, downloading multiple things in parallel
 would need to be fixed there.


We have an open rfe for related things - we're hoping to combine two
rfe's into one:

1. have the pkg/metadata downloads run in a different process in a
different context  - for selinux
2. have each repo have its own downloader process which can handle
however many pkgs/metadata at a time that downloader process can cope
with.

If someone wants to work on that come by #yum

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Re: RFC: Upgrade Banshee to 1.8.0 in F13

2010-10-11 Thread Nathaniel McCallum
On 10/11/2010 01:50 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote:
 Kevin Fenzi wrote:
 Would the libgpod update require rebuilding or changing anything
 else?  How many other packages depend on that?
 
 The libgpod update should be safe.  Though if it was up to me I'd wait
 for libgpod to reach 0.8.0.  Upstream is treating 0.7.95 like a
 release candidate.  I don't know how long it might take though.
 
 The big change between 0.7.93 and 0.7.95 is that the mono bindings
 were added, which is what Banshee 1.8 needs.  I don't have an opinion
 on whether Banshee should or shouldn't be updated in a stable release.
 I don't use it.

As someone who works closely with upstream, I can attest that 0.7.95 has
no API/ABI changes and can be seamlessly upgraded without rebuilds. 0.8
will probably be released (and packaged by me) before any of this hits
F13.  I only mentioned 0.7.95 since banshee requires this version or later.

One should keep in mind that the 0.7.9x series is the development series
leading up to 0.8.0.  Since 0.7.93 is already in F13, 0.8.0 is a natural
upgrade path.

There is only one change in 0.7.95 that may cause problems with existing
apps: stop_sync() must be called an equal number of times in order to
make the Syncing... screen on iphones/ipads/ipod touches disappear.
Previously the screen was removed after the first call to stop_sync()
(this was a bug in libgpod).  Since stop_sync() should be called once
per start_sync() invocation, this should not be a problem and since it
is a known issue, we know how to test for it. Applications depending on
the previous behaviour were depending on a bug.  Worst case is an
entirely cosmetic bug.

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Re: RFC: Upgrade Banshee to 1.8.0 in F13

2010-10-11 Thread Nathaniel McCallum
On 10/11/2010 01:37 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
 On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 12:20:54 -0400
 Nathaniel McCallum nathan...@natemccallum.com wrote:
 
 I'd like to propose that we upgrade banshee (and
 banshee-community-extensions) to 1.8.0 in F13.  I estimate that this
 will close about half our open bugs.  Doing this will require the
 following package upgrades in F13:

 * clutter-sharp - Upgrade (I'm pretty sure Banshee is the only user)
 * gio-sharp - New
 * gudev-sharp - New
 * gkeyfile-sharp - New
 * gtk-sharp-beans - New
 * libgpod - Upgrade (0.7.93  0.7.95; bugfix release)

 The only thing complicated here is the buildroot override requirement
 and making sure that we ship the new banshee-community-extensions in
 the same update as the new banshee.

 Currently, I do not think it is feasible to backport this to F12, so
 F13 would be the latest version.

 Thoughts? Comments?
 
 Well, lets see: 
 
 F13 currently has version 1.6.1 in it. Looks like they follow an 'odd
 is unstable/devel, even is release/stable' method. So, all the 1.7.x
 releases were development ones. 

Correct.

 I see a lot of bugs fixed, but also a bunch of new features: 
 http://banshee.fm/download/archives/1.8.0/
 
 I see 9 open fedora bugs. 

Yes, and I think 1.8 should solve roughly half of them (I'm unable to
reproduce most of them in 1.8).  Given our limited resources, I have no
current plans to spend time on fixing bugs in the 1.6.x series (others
are free of course to work on this).

 Has the UI changed since 1.6.1? I would suspect so. 

UI has not really seen many changes.  Changes would be things like:
* Amazon MP3 Store Service
* Miro podcast guide
* iPhone support

These changes should not impact a user in any significant way (they just
show up as additional sources on the left side).

One one potentially confusing change is that the preferences dialog was
re-arraigned.  Since all preferences are transparently migrated and the
majority of users only set preferences once, this impact should be minimal.

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[389-devel] Please Review: (544321) remove-ds.pl should not throw fatal error is selinux port label is not found

2010-10-11 Thread Nathan Kinder
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=544321

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=452770action=edit
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Re: RFC: Upgrade Banshee to 1.8.0 in F13

2010-10-11 Thread Christian Krause
Hi,

On 10/11/2010 07:37 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
 On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 12:20:54 -0400
 Nathaniel McCallum nathan...@natemccallum.com wrote:
 
 I'd like to propose that we upgrade banshee (and
 banshee-community-extensions) to 1.8.0 in F13.  I estimate that this
 will close about half our open bugs.  Doing this will require the
 following package upgrades in F13:

 * clutter-sharp - Upgrade (I'm pretty sure Banshee is the only user)
 * gio-sharp - New
 * gudev-sharp - New
 * gkeyfile-sharp - New
 * gtk-sharp-beans - New
 * libgpod - Upgrade (0.7.93  0.7.95; bugfix release)

 The only thing complicated here is the buildroot override requirement
 and making sure that we ship the new banshee-community-extensions in
 the same update as the new banshee.

 Currently, I do not think it is feasible to backport this to F12, so
 F13 would be the latest version.

 Thoughts? Comments?
 
 Well, lets see: 
 
 F13 currently has version 1.6.1 in it. Looks like they follow an 'odd
 is unstable/devel, even is release/stable' method. So, all the 1.7.x
 releases were development ones. 

Yes, that's correct.

 I see a lot of bugs fixed, but also a bunch of new features: 
 http://banshee.fm/download/archives/1.8.0/
 
 I see 9 open fedora bugs. 
 
 Has the UI changed since 1.6.1? I would suspect so. 

Not very much, only very slightly.

 Would the libgpod update require rebuilding or changing anything else?
 How many other packages depend on that?

No, the SONAME and so the API of libgpod hasn't changed.

 So, this seems to me to be something that would need more rationale/a
 stable updates exception. 

I agree that there may be subtle changes (GUI, behavior, new bugs, ...).
However, as one of the maintainers of the banshee package in Fedora I
would certainly like to update to 1.8.0 as well.

I suggest the following:

- importing the new pre-requisites into F13 is uncritical even right now

- confirm with libgpod maintainers whether an update to 0.95 is
acceptable, if yes, it can be done in the meantime as well

- give banshee some time in F14 and get some feedback from users first
(probably even wait until F14 is out - otherwise too less people will
use it regularly)

- try to fix any regressions (e.g. it looks like that for me at least
the iPod (non-touch) support is broken)

- if there is no critical feedback or the issues could be solved: do the
update in F13


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'milkymist' group in comps?

2010-10-11 Thread Bill Nottingham
1) When you added this to F14/F15/EL6, you added a typo; this
broke the F-14 branched compose and the EPEL updates push.
*Please* verify your changes before pushing.

2) Aside from that... how does this merit a separate group?

- We already have the electronic lab group
- If we add a group each for developing for any embedded/custom
  board, we're going to run into group explosion really quickly

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[Bug 357641] EL branches perl-Tk

2010-10-11 Thread bugzilla
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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=357641

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Git done (by process-git-requests).

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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Jon Masters
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 12:51 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
 On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 12:44:49 -0500,
   Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote:
   
   I think that is a misfeature. I don't want anything irreversible to be 
   done
   until I say go.
  
  You know that Fedora has done partitioning/mkfs about halfway through
  the install for a while now, right?  I don't see why there would be a
  problem with letting that run in the background while continuing through
  the questions.
 
 I forget which stuff gets done afterwards, since I haven't done a fresh 
 install
 for a while now. (I mostly do yum upgrades and play with live USB images.)
 But I do remember a clear no/no go point where disk drive file systems get
 formatted. Depending on the file systems being used that can take a little
 bit of time to complete, but is short compared to the rest of the install.
 I tend to do install all of the games, so my installs may take longer than
 average. I also always do custom disk layouts, so I might see things a bit
 different from people that don't do that.

In fairness to Rich, I think it's easy to get carried away with how
technicall better we are, but we shouldn't totally devalue the impact of
the shiny gloss on some users, reviews, and on general perception.

I used to be technical editor for a Linux magazine and I've read more
than my fair share of reviews of distributions over the years (and
written some too, it has to be admitted). Here's how it seems to go all
too often in general: 10% background, 30-40% installation, 20% what got
installed, then everything else. It's because reviewers are busy, and
don't have time to know a community - so first impressions count. And
Ubuntu is known to be cool, so they get extra points in any case.

Sadly enough, this means that a shiny Ubuntu installer is to the whole
distribution what GNOME shell is to the GNOME project. It doesn't matter
if you've got a lot of bells and whistles underneath, or what you can
do, if you don't look pretty while you do it. It's just the reality. I
would venture that one of the reasons Rich sent his mail originally is
that he's aware of this mentality and pointing out its effects.

Jon.


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Re: Upcoming Fedora 14 Tasks

2010-10-11 Thread Andre Robatino
John Poelstra poelstra at redhat.com writes:

 Mon 11-Oct  Mon 11-Oct  Submit Installer Builds for Final TC Compose

Does this mean that the (real) TC1 ISOs will show up tonight (instead of October
12)?

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Re: Upcoming Fedora 14 Tasks

2010-10-11 Thread Jesse Keating
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On 10/11/10 1:57 PM, Andre Robatino wrote:
 John Poelstra poelstra at redhat.com writes:
 
 Mon 11-Oct  Mon 11-Oct  Submit Installer Builds for Final TC Compose
 
 Does this mean that the (real) TC1 ISOs will show up tonight (instead of 
 October
 12)?
 

No, it means that the anaconda package (and other related packages)
should be built today at the latest in order to make it onto the test
compose tomorrow.

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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Lars Seipel
On Monday 11 October 2010 12:41:13 Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
 This is in contrast to anaconda (certainly from the live CD install)
 which seems to be a usability no-go area.
 
 Thoughts?  Can we switch to their installer?
 
 Rich.

It may be nice usability-wise but it lacks support for LVM2, LUKS disk 
encryption and practically everything more advanced. It can't be automated 
using some equivalent to kickstart and it fails at all the stuff Anaconda 
subsumes unter advanced storage devices. You can't even do the install from 
some remote place without setting anything up by hand. Ubuntu users requiring 
more than these very basic features have to go for the Debian text mode 
installer Ubuntu ships on their alternate media. 

Striving for usability and pleasantness for the untechnical users certainly is 
a good thing. It gets problematic when you choose to make things technically 
inferior just to please those kind of users.

So I don't think it's a good idea to switch to this, even if it was trivially 
possible to use with Fedora. But there's nothing preventing us to take the 
ubiquity features we enjoy most and enable Anaconda to do something similar.

Lars.
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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Farkas Levente
On 10/11/2010 06:09 PM, Jon Masters wrote:
 On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 17:39 +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote:
 
 Comparing the Ubuntu 10.04 DVD installer (which I use a couple of weeks
 ago) to Fedora 13 DVD installer is like comparing the Cessna to a Boeing
 747.
 Sure, both can accomplish the same task. Read: transporting people from
 one airport to another, but lets see you try transporting 400 peoples
 from London to NY using a Cessna... 

 The same logic applies to the Ubuntu installer: As long as you require a
 fairly basic -desktop- configuration (Read: No fancy storage, no LVM, no
 fancy setup source [nfs, dvd, http], -very- basic encryption, standard
 software set and repository selection, etc), the Ubuntu installer is a
 great tool, but once you need something complex, you're screwed.
 
 That's all true. I've found the Ubuntu installer looks /very/ polished
 and nice for very common install cases, but I always use LVM on every
 install that I do, and last time I did a VM install of Ubuntu, I had to
 switch to a VT and get LVM sorted on the command line. Not super user
 friendly as compared with Anaconda. Other installers were even more of a
 joke doing this stuff. Tried doing LVM on Gentoo? :) Things like LVM and
 VNC do really matter, and not just for Enterprise users. You don't
 need to use LVM w/wo RAID, you can just do bare partitions if you don't
 care about being able to do anything useful with your disks at all :)

imho, the never drop any feature since raid, lvm, iscsi are important
(what's more i use them:-), BUT most user don't ie. 80% of the users
never use them.
it can be an advanced installer option for us, and a basic for
average user.
the other point of richards is what the whole fedora community and
redhat should have to understand: most users like ubuntu rather then
fedora/redhat. why? because:
- it's looks better. every component looks better, installer, default
gnome themes etc. we can make a long discussion about which is better
but our opinion simple do not count. better is what most user like. period.
- it's easier to use. for average user it's the most important thing. we
can always have an advance and basic settings.

wouldn't be useful to ask users which they like and try to make
fedora/redhat's component better?

just my 2c.

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Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2010-10-12)

2010-10-11 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo
meeting tomorrow at 19:30UTC (3:30pm EDT) in #fedora-meeting on
irc.freenode.net.

= Followups =

#topic Updates policy

#351 Create a policy for updates - status report on implementation
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/351
#382 Implementing Stable Release Vision
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/382

#topic #467 Make Feature Freeze happen sooner.
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/467

= New business =

#topic #473 new meeting time (redux)
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/473

#topic #302 libssh2 - non-responsive maintainer
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/302

#topic #472 About Mozilla's decision to not allow using the system's libvpx
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/472

#topic #474 Package Criteria 'upgradepath' not clear
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/474

= Fedora Engineering Services tickets = 

https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-engineering-services/report/6

= Open Floor = 

For more complete details, please visit each individual ticket.  The
report of the agenda items can be found at
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9

If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to
this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco,
e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during
the open floor topic. 

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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* Matthew Garrett [11/10/2010 19:57] :

 debian-installer? Yes.

Shipping 2 different installers is a recipe for disaster from a user and
QA perspective.Choose one between Ubiquity, Debian-installer and Anaconda.

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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Chris Lumens
 Shipping 2 different installers is a recipe for disaster from a user and
 QA perspective.Choose one between Ubiquity, Debian-installer and Anaconda.

We only ship one installer, and that is anaconda.  I suppose you could
argue over whether livecd is its own thing or not, but that's a nitpicky
detail.

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F-14 Branched report: 20101011 changes

2010-10-11 Thread Branched Report
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KompoZer packaging/review

2010-10-11 Thread Orion Poplawski
If any mozilla/xulrunner experienced packagers would mind helping out with the 
kompozer package, that would be appreciated.

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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Manuel Wolfshant
On 10/11/2010 08:51 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
 On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 12:44:49 -0500,
   Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote:
   
 I think that is a misfeature. I don't want anything irreversible to be done
 until I say go.
   
 You know that Fedora has done partitioning/mkfs about halfway through
 the install for a while now, right?  I don't see why there would be a
 problem with letting that run in the background while continuing through
 the questions.
 

 I forget which stuff gets done afterwards, since I haven't done a fresh 
 install
 for a while now. (I mostly do yum upgrades and play with live USB images.)
 But I do remember a clear no/no go point where disk drive file systems get
 formatted. Depending on the file systems being used that can take a little
 bit of time to complete, but is short compared to the rest of the install.
   
Actually formatting a large partition ( and =1 TB disks are becoming 
more and more frequent) DOES take enough time to go boil a coffee.

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Re: Git commit in all available branches

2010-10-11 Thread Jeffrey Fearn
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
 On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 09:07:17 +1000
 Jeff Fearn jfe...@redhat.com wrote:
 
 On Fri, 2010-10-08 at 13:56 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
 On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 18:03:04 +0400
 Pavel Alexeev (aka Pahan-Hubbitus) fo...@hubbitus.com.ru wrote:

  In most cases I try sync all branches if there no real reasons to
 make differences.
 ...snip... 

 I would hope a real reason would be that the update is not a
 security or bugfix only update, right? 
 IMHO it depends on what kind of software it is.

 I push releases of applications to all current Fedora releases. The
 users want the new features, it's what they have been bugging me for.

 If I was working on glibc or X I might not do that, but applications
 should be pushed back unless there is some system level constraint
 preventing it.

 So I too would like a commit to all branches or sync all branches
 to this one command. 
 
 If it doesn't change the user experience, and fixes bugs or security
 issues, then great. ;) If it's a major update which does change the
 user experience, breaks ABI/API, or adds a bunch of new functionality,
 then please don't. 

If you want ABI stability buy RHEL or use CentOS, because clearly your 
requirements are completely different from the requirements of most of 
the users of my software. They'd go batty if I tried to tell them they 
had to use rawhide to get a new feature.

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Re: Git commit in all available branches

2010-10-11 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 09:23:24AM +1000, Jeffrey Fearn wrote:
 Kevin Fenzi wrote:
  On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 09:07:17 +1000
  Jeff Fearn jfe...@redhat.com wrote:
  
  On Fri, 2010-10-08 at 13:56 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
  On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 18:03:04 +0400
  Pavel Alexeev (aka Pahan-Hubbitus) fo...@hubbitus.com.ru wrote:
 
   In most cases I try sync all branches if there no real reasons to
  make differences.
  ...snip... 
 
  I would hope a real reason would be that the update is not a
  security or bugfix only update, right? 
  IMHO it depends on what kind of software it is.
 
  I push releases of applications to all current Fedora releases. The
  users want the new features, it's what they have been bugging me for.
 
  If I was working on glibc or X I might not do that, but applications
  should be pushed back unless there is some system level constraint
  preventing it.
 
  So I too would like a commit to all branches or sync all branches
  to this one command. 
  
  If it doesn't change the user experience, and fixes bugs or security
  issues, then great. ;) If it's a major update which does change the
  user experience, breaks ABI/API, or adds a bunch of new functionality,
  then please don't. 
 
 If you want ABI stability buy RHEL or use CentOS, because clearly your 
 requirements are completely different from the requirements of most of 
 the users of my software. They'd go batty if I tried to tell them they 
 had to use rawhide to get a new feature.

Surely it would be ok to tell them use the latest Fedora so you can 
at least leave Fn-1 (currently F12) alone.
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Re: e4defrag support?

2010-10-11 Thread Michał Piotrowski
W dniu 6 października 2010 15:42 użytkownik Eric Sandeen
sand...@redhat.com napisał:
 Michał Piotrowski wrote:
 W dniu 6 października 2010 05:01 użytkownik Eric Sandeen
 sand...@redhat.com napisał:

 ...

 cool!  I suppose I could turn it on in rawhide, or you could just
 build your own e2fsprogs to get it ...

 I already built my own version.

 Ok, let me know if you can break anything! :)

 (Some of my concern, which is admittedly hand-wavy, is the
 kernelside design of the thing, but any outright breakage
 of the current implementation would be good to find as well)

 Some things to test would be attempting to defrag files
 which are being actively written to / read from in various
 ways - concurrent access, mmap, etc.  Also possibly testing large
 and/or sparse files, files with extended attributes, testing
 enospc conditions 

Does it makes sense to run tests on a large filesystem? I have a spare
1tb hdd, but I do not know if it's worth to run such tests.

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Re: Git commit in all available branches

2010-10-11 Thread Jeffrey Fearn
Chuck Anderson wrote:
 On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 09:23:24AM +1000, Jeffrey Fearn wrote:
 Kevin Fenzi wrote:
 On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 09:07:17 +1000
 Jeff Fearn jfe...@redhat.com wrote:

 On Fri, 2010-10-08 at 13:56 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
 On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 18:03:04 +0400
 Pavel Alexeev (aka Pahan-Hubbitus) fo...@hubbitus.com.ru wrote:

  In most cases I try sync all branches if there no real reasons to
 make differences.
 ...snip... 

 I would hope a real reason would be that the update is not a
 security or bugfix only update, right? 
 IMHO it depends on what kind of software it is.

 I push releases of applications to all current Fedora releases. The
 users want the new features, it's what they have been bugging me for.

 If I was working on glibc or X I might not do that, but applications
 should be pushed back unless there is some system level constraint
 preventing it.

 So I too would like a commit to all branches or sync all branches
 to this one command. 
 If it doesn't change the user experience, and fixes bugs or security
 issues, then great. ;) If it's a major update which does change the
 user experience, breaks ABI/API, or adds a bunch of new functionality,
 then please don't. 
 If you want ABI stability buy RHEL or use CentOS, because clearly your 
 requirements are completely different from the requirements of most of 
 the users of my software. They'd go batty if I tried to tell them they 
 had to use rawhide to get a new feature.
 
 Surely it would be ok to tell them use the latest Fedora so you can 
 at least leave Fn-1 (currently F12) alone.

What do you mean leave it alone? The people using it WANT the changes. 
Why are you telling them how they can use their system?

They want the changes, it's trivial for me to give them the changes, why 
wouldn't I give them the changes?

Cheers, Jeff.

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Re: Git commit in all available branches

2010-10-11 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 09:32:15AM +1000, Jeffrey Fearn wrote:

 What do you mean leave it alone? The people using it WANT the changes. 
 Why are you telling them how they can use their system?

Because by pushing updates you're also potentially making it impossible 
for people who don't want new bugs to use Fedora. The board have decided 
that that's a class of user that we want to support.

 They want the changes, it's trivial for me to give them the changes, why 
 wouldn't I give them the changes?

Because anyone who says that they can provide a software update without 
any risk of breaking something that a user currently depends on is 
either naive or lying.

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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:12:35AM +0200, Emmanuel Seyman wrote:
 * Matthew Garrett [11/10/2010 19:57] :
 
  debian-installer? Yes.
 
 Shipping 2 different installers is a recipe for disaster from a user and
 QA perspective.Choose one between Ubiquity, Debian-installer and Anaconda.

Ubiquity is a graphical interface built on top of the debian-installer 
framework.

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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 13:16 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
 Matthias Clasen (mcla...@redhat.com) said: 
  That is certainly a big part of the problem. Anaconda does a _ton_ of
  crap that only very few users care about. And keeping all these minority
  features from falling apart is leaving you no time to polish the user
  experience for the large majority of users.
 
 Correct. And any time it's suggested that certain parts of that crap
 be removed to streamline things, people come screaming. (The discussion
 about pruning the install methods is the one that comes to mind...
 mm, nfsiso and hard drive installs.)

...and all the people who are complaining about how the text install has
been streamlined...
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Re: Git commit in all available branches

2010-10-11 Thread Jeffrey Fearn
Matthew Garrett wrote:
 On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 09:32:15AM +1000, Jeffrey Fearn wrote:
 
 What do you mean leave it alone? The people using it WANT the changes. 
 Why are you telling them how they can use their system?
 
 Because by pushing updates you're also potentially making it impossible 
 for people who don't want new bugs to use Fedora. The board have decided 
 that that's a class of user that we want to support.

They also won't get old bugs fixed because I for one don't have the time 
, or the will, to maintain multiple versions.

 They want the changes, it's trivial for me to give them the changes, why 
 wouldn't I give them the changes?
 
 Because anyone who says that they can provide a software update without 
 any risk of breaking something that a user currently depends on is 
 either naive or lying.

Guess we are lucky no one said such a stupid thing eh.

Cheers, Jeff.

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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 13:18 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
 Chris Lumens (clum...@redhat.com) said: 
- downloads updates in parallel too
  
  Package updates?
 
 1) Given that it's using yum, downloading multiple things in parallel
 would need to be fixed there.
 2) If it means downloading packages in the background while it does
 other tasks, given that package selection is the final task in the
 current workflow, it would require reordering the workflow to be
 beneficial. (Which becomes a memory usage tradeoff.)

I believe the Ubuntu installer under discussion is the live installer.
Like Fedora, there is no package selection involved there. Ubuntu gains
considerable simplicity by having a separate installer app for live
images and making that its default installer - I'm no expert, but I
think the 'advanced' installer you can use for network installs and
custom package selection and LVM and RAID and all that stuff is
essentially Debian's installer, and is a completely different experience
to the Ubuntu installer.

So, we could follow this same path and make an anaconda-live which would
be a considerably simplified subset of anaconda and could gain in
parallelization and simplification and stuff, but we'd be duplicating a
lot of effort then and we'd have no handy 'upstream' installer to fall
back on for more complex cases, as Ubuntu does.
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Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 15:44 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
 Sadly enough, this means that a shiny Ubuntu installer is to the whole
 distribution what GNOME shell is to the GNOME project. It doesn't matter
 if you've got a lot of bells and whistles underneath, or what you can
 do, if you don't look pretty while you do it. It's just the reality. I
 would venture that one of the reasons Rich sent his mail originally is
 that he's aware of this mentality and pointing out its effects.

You forgot to qualify the above paragraph: it doesn't matter _to a
distribution reviewer_. We aren't necessarily making Fedora for
distribution reviewers.
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Re: KompoZer packaging/review

2010-10-11 Thread Orion Poplawski
  On 10/11/2010 5:06 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote:
 If any mozilla/xulrunner experienced packagers would mind helping out with the
 kompozer package, that would be appreciated.

Sorry:  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=519521
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Re: Git commit in all available branches

2010-10-11 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:32:15 +1000
Jeffrey Fearn jfe...@redhat.com wrote:

 What do you mean leave it alone? The people using it WANT the
 changes. Why are you telling them how they can use their system?

Not at all. :) 

 They want the changes, it's trivial for me to give them the changes,
 why wouldn't I give them the changes?

Because it breaks things or changes behavior for another large group of
users? 

Can we perhaps stop talking in the abstract? What package is this? 
What sort of updates does it get? 

kevin



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Re: Git commit in all available branches

2010-10-11 Thread Jeffrey Fearn
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
 On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:32:15 +1000
 Jeffrey Fearn jfe...@redhat.com wrote:
 
 What do you mean leave it alone? The people using it WANT the
 changes. Why are you telling them how they can use their system?
 
 Not at all. :) 
 
 They want the changes, it's trivial for me to give them the changes,
 why wouldn't I give them the changes?
 
 Because it breaks things or changes behavior for another large group of
 users? 

As I said, if I was doing a systems level package I'd not do it, but at 
the application level you only tend to affect users of your application.

 Can we perhaps stop talking in the abstract? What package is this?

publican\*

 What sort of updates does it get? 

Large changes of every kind: bug fixes, new features, changes in 
behavior of existing features. Everything you'd expect of an application 
that is fairly young and has a demanding user base ... a very demanding 
user base ... OK, an extremely demanding user base ... yeah, I have ulcers.

Cheers, Jeff.

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File Text-CSV_XS-0.75.tgz uploaded to lookaside cache by psabata

2010-10-11 Thread Petr Sabata
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Text-CSV_XS:

6ec24df35823f200ee3d5dceab3fd0ca  Text-CSV_XS-0.75.tgz
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[Bug 641568] perl-Text-CSV_XS-0.75 is available

2010-10-11 Thread bugzilla
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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=641568

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   What|Removed |Added

 CC||psab...@redhat.com
 AssignedTo|mmasl...@redhat.com |psab...@redhat.com

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[perl-Text-CSV_XS] New version, 0.75

2010-10-11 Thread Petr Sabata
commit 3729237fc28fa5e59a467da4114a3c7880754a15
Author: Petr Sabata psab...@redhat.com
Date:   Mon Oct 11 12:08:26 2010 +0200

New version, 0.75

 .gitignore|1 +
 perl-Text-CSV_XS.spec |5 -
 sources   |2 +-
 3 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/.gitignore b/.gitignore
index 475bb46..f0845b9 100644
--- a/.gitignore
+++ b/.gitignore
@@ -1,3 +1,4 @@
 Text-CSV_XS-0.72.tgz
 /Text-CSV_XS-0.73.tgz
 /Text-CSV_XS-0.74.tgz
+/Text-CSV_XS-0.75.tgz
diff --git a/perl-Text-CSV_XS.spec b/perl-Text-CSV_XS.spec
index 77118f0..466b6d7 100644
--- a/perl-Text-CSV_XS.spec
+++ b/perl-Text-CSV_XS.spec
@@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
 Name:   perl-Text-CSV_XS
-Version:0.74
+Version:0.75
 Release:1%{?dist}
 Summary:Comma-separated values manipulation routines
 
@@ -63,6 +63,9 @@ rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
 
 
 %changelog
+* Mon Oct 11 2010 Petr Sabata psab...@redhat.com - 0.75-1
+- 0.75 version bump
+
 * Mon Oct 04 2010 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com - 0.74-1
 - 0.74 bump
 
diff --git a/sources b/sources
index 8e6bc32..7ff9244 100644
--- a/sources
+++ b/sources
@@ -1 +1 @@
-c30ee0db913fcebc76d707203b905b74  Text-CSV_XS-0.74.tgz
+6ec24df35823f200ee3d5dceab3fd0ca  Text-CSV_XS-0.75.tgz
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File threads-shared-1.34.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

2010-10-11 Thread Petr Pisar
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-threads-shared:

07e048f7c81c98603ec27d4401f6b495  threads-shared-1.34.tar.gz
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File JSON-XS-2.3.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by mmaslano

2010-10-11 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-JSON-XS:

4dc2a968e41f8cf330d46be12f221a12  JSON-XS-2.3.tar.gz
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[perl-JSON-XS] Update to 2.3 from cpan. Change in rpm to 2.30.

2010-10-11 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit 7cb38dbfe8a8729f97a724774f6e79943066fccf
Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com
Date:   Mon Oct 11 14:05:13 2010 +0200

Update to 2.3 from cpan. Change in rpm to 2.30.

 .gitignore|1 +
 perl-JSON-XS.spec |   17 +++--
 sources   |2 +-
 3 files changed, 13 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/.gitignore b/.gitignore
index 7d5f6fc..ec93d93 100644
--- a/.gitignore
+++ b/.gitignore
@@ -1 +1,2 @@
 JSON-XS-2.27.tar.gz
+/JSON-XS-2.3.tar.gz
diff --git a/perl-JSON-XS.spec b/perl-JSON-XS.spec
index bd1713a..a0a8633 100644
--- a/perl-JSON-XS.spec
+++ b/perl-JSON-XS.spec
@@ -1,13 +1,14 @@
+%define real_version 2.3
 Name:   perl-JSON-XS
 Summary:JSON serialising/deserialising, done correctly and fast
 Epoch:  1
-Version:2.27
-Release:2%{?dist}
+# previous version was 2.27
+Version:2.30
+Release:1%{?dist}
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
-Source0:
http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/M/ML/MLEHMANN/JSON-XS-%{version}.tar.gz 
 URL:http://search.cpan.org/dist/JSON-XS/
-BuildRoot:  %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(%{__id_u} -n)
+Source0:
http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/M/ML/MLEHMANN/JSON-XS-%{real_version}.tar.gz
 Requires:   perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} -V:version`; echo 
$version))
 
 BuildRequires:  perl(common::sense)
@@ -15,7 +16,8 @@ BuildRequires:  perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::More)
 
 Requires:   perl(common::sense)
-
+# because of 2.3 upstream version and 2.30 rpm version
+Provides:   perl(JSON::XS) = 2.30
 
 %{?perl_default_filter}
 %{?perl_default_subpackage_tests}
@@ -26,7 +28,7 @@ primary goal is to be correct and its secondary goal is to be 
fast. To
 reach the latter goal it was written in C.
 
 %prep
-%setup -q -n JSON-XS-%{version}
+%setup -q -n JSON-XS-%{real_version}
 
 sed -i 's/\r//' t/*
 perl -pi -e 's|^#!/opt/bin/perl|#!%{__perl}|' eg/*
@@ -62,6 +64,9 @@ rm -rf %{buildroot}
 %{_mandir}/man[13]/*
 
 %changelog
+* Mon Oct 11 2010 Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com - 1:2.30-1
+- update
+
 * Sun May 02 2010 Marcela Maslanova mmasl...@redhat.com - 1:2.27-2
 - Mass rebuild with perl-5.12.0
 
diff --git a/sources b/sources
index 943ea61..0fe43fe 100644
--- a/sources
+++ b/sources
@@ -1 +1 @@
-d7a4f92f2e497281f2a8f535fbe9783a  JSON-XS-2.27.tar.gz
+4dc2a968e41f8cf330d46be12f221a12  JSON-XS-2.3.tar.gz
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[perl-threads-shared] 1.34 bump

2010-10-11 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 15bd579fd72535ea79ceda6c042acda883996acb
Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com
Date:   Mon Oct 11 14:07:08 2010 +0200

1.34 bump

 .gitignore   |1 +
 perl-threads-shared.spec |5 -
 sources  |2 +-
 3 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/.gitignore b/.gitignore
index 6001a3d..a8fa788 100644
--- a/.gitignore
+++ b/.gitignore
@@ -1 +1,2 @@
 /threads-shared-1.33.tar.gz
+/threads-shared-1.34.tar.gz
diff --git a/perl-threads-shared.spec b/perl-threads-shared.spec
index 8f4371a..2fae5ee 100644
--- a/perl-threads-shared.spec
+++ b/perl-threads-shared.spec
@@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
 Name:   perl-threads-shared
-Version:1.33
+Version:1.34
 Release:1%{?dist}
 Summary:Perl extension for sharing data structures between threads
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
@@ -55,6 +55,9 @@ make test
 %{_mandir}/man3/*
 
 %changelog
+* Mon Oct 11 2010 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com - 1.34-1
+- 1.34 bump
+
 * Thu Sep 23 2010 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com 1.33-1
 - Specfile autogenerated by cpanspec 1.78.
 - Fix dependencies
diff --git a/sources b/sources
index 42462a4..7ba6688 100644
--- a/sources
+++ b/sources
@@ -1 +1 @@
-59e5882c75033835d44d0ab3bfc02c60  threads-shared-1.33.tar.gz
+07e048f7c81c98603ec27d4401f6b495  threads-shared-1.34.tar.gz
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[perl-threads/f13/master] (2 commits) ...1.81 bump

2010-10-11 Thread Petr Pisar
Summary of changes:

  5ae7776... 1.79 imported (*)
  0afd3e7... 1.81 bump (*)

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[perl-Tk/el6/master] (6 commits) ...Merge back in from master

2010-10-11 Thread tremble
Summary of changes:

  3941f4e... Fix typo that causes a failure to update the common directo (*)
  33eba8b... - rebuild against perl 5.10.1 (*)
  14ef948... - Mass rebuild with perl-5.12.0 (*)
  da34362... - Mass rebuild with perl-5.12.0  update to development rel (*)
  d76407e... dist-git conversion (*)
  3bc46c6... Merge back in from master

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[perl-Tk/el6/master: 6/6] Merge back in from master

2010-10-11 Thread tremble
commit 3bc46c6f824a9fc42904a184201a17a80c0524d1
Merge: 7996a40 d76407e
Author: Mark Chappell trem...@fedoraproject.org
Date:   Mon Oct 11 22:55:28 2010 +0200

Merge back in from master

 .gitignore|2 +-
 perl-Tk-XIM.patch |   61 -
 perl-Tk-events.patch  |   25 --
 perl-Tk-getOpenFile.patch |   11 
 perl-Tk-gif.patch |   15 ---
 perl-Tk.spec  |   32 ---
 sources   |2 +-
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[Bug 571192] $ENV{HTTP_TRANSFER_ENCODING} may be undefined in SOAP::Transport::HTTP

2010-10-11 Thread bugzilla
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--- Comment #2 from rvalue red...@burninator.net 2010-10-11 20:34:03 EDT ---
Had the same problem with Fedora 13 distribution of Bugzilla  perl-SOAP-Lite
packages.

Worked around by undoing my own configuration of Bugzilla to use mod_perl; the
default (mod_cgi?) Apache configuration does not exhibit this error for me.

Are you using Bugzilla with mod_perl?

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