Re: Xfce 4.10pre1 in rawhide

2012-04-03 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: greetings. Xfce 4.10pre1 is out... and I am going to look at landing it in rawhide in the next few days. Hopefully there won't be too much disruption caused by this (it's 17 packages), just wanted to give rawhide Xfce

Re: Xfce 4.10pre1 in rawhide

2012-04-03 Thread Frank Murphy
On 03/04/12 07:52, Gilboa Davara wrote: Any chance of building a personal repository for F17 or better yet, F16? - Gilboa https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/xfce/2012-April/001082.html -- Regards, Frank Jack of all, fubars -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Xfce 4.10pre1 in rawhide

2012-04-03 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/04/12 07:52, Gilboa Davara wrote: Any chance of building a personal repository for F17 or better yet, F16? - Gilboa https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/xfce/2012-April/001082.html The feature page doesn't

Re: /tmp on tmpfs

2012-04-03 Thread drago01
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:28 AM, Brian Wheeler bdwhe...@indiana.edu wrote: I can't say that as a user (and sysadmin) I'm really thrilled with this. /tmp doesn't go away on reboots now so this is a biggish change from my point of view. That's what /tmp has always meant to be i.e a temporary

Re: /tmp on tmpfs (was: Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2012-04-02))

2012-04-03 Thread drago01
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 5:10 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Actually I think this is a good feature, but ... I'm unsure about whether this makes sense for new installs or not, but I feel my objection in

Re: Xfce 4.10pre1 in rawhide

2012-04-03 Thread Frank Murphy
On 03/04/12 08:13, Gilboa Davara wrote: On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Frank Murphyfrankl...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/04/12 07:52, Gilboa Davara wrote: Any chance of building a personal repository for F17 or better yet, F16? - Gilboa

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/03/2012 03:10 AM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: As long as the RE and QE requirements are similarly defined that's fine. It would be good to get a clarification from fesco what they are referring to when they speak of QE ( Depending on it's meaning it might fall under the QA community )

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/03/2012 03:10 AM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: Let's make the list exhaustive; there needs to be a path to sure success. This means establishing a complete procedure where when an SA formally applies to become PA, acceptance means there is a definitive set of steps needed to get there.

Re: /tmp on tmpfs

2012-04-03 Thread Jim Meyering
Daniel J Walsh wrote: ... I have been running with a tmpfs /tmp for years, without a problem. I have found the having /tmp be anything else that a tmpfs has caused me pain over the years with mislabeled files or files with the wrong UID. Change to use a confined user or change the UID of a

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Brendan Conoboy wrote: If those requirements are deemed to have been met, promotion is automatic. I still don't agree that this approach makes any sense whatsoever. Promotion must be an exceptional event decided on a case-by-case basis or we may end up with an unmaintainable skyrocketing of

Re: Xfce 4.10pre1 in rawhide

2012-04-03 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: Hence my reply. *Sigh* - Gilboa -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Xfce 4.10pre1 in rawhide

2012-04-03 Thread Thomas Spura
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Gilboa Davara gilb...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: Hence my reply. *Sigh* Then better look here: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/xfce/2012-April/001082.html :) Greetings, Tom -- devel

F-17 Branched report: 20120403 changes

2012-04-03 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Tue Apr 3 08:15:09 UTC 2012 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [HippoDraw] HippoDraw-devel-1.21.3-2.fc17.i686 requires python-numarray HippoDraw-devel-1.21.3-2.fc17.x86_64 requires python-numarray

Re: httpd 2.4 is coming, RFC on module packaging draft

2012-04-03 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 04/02/2012 09:08 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: 2012/3/27 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com: On 03/27/2012 05:15 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: I assume that that mod_access_compat module only requires a few bytes, so I don't see why it should not be loaded by default forever (or at least as

Re: Xfce 4.10pre1 in rawhide

2012-04-03 Thread Frank Murphy
On 03/04/12 11:57, Thomas Spura wrote: On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Gilboa Davaragilb...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Frank Murphyfrankl...@gmail.com wrote: Hence my reply. *Sigh* Then better look here:

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Josh Boyer
On Apr 2, 2012 11:10 PM, Brendan Conoboy b...@redhat.com wrote: All builds must occur on Fedora-maintained build servers. FYI, this will require an additional koji-hub for each architecture trying to move to PA. Generally agree, though. No. The additional hub is only needed while an arch is

Re: users, private groups, and The Unix Way (was, Re: Is it me or is it sudo?)

2012-04-03 Thread Joel Rees
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Bryn M. Reeves b...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/03/2012 08:10 AM, Joel Rees wrote: On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: s/some/a lot of/ if you set it up right. It can still do a

Re: /tmp on tmpfs (was: Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2012-04-02))

2012-04-03 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2012-04-03 at 05:10 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Actually I think this is a good feature, but ... I'm unsure about whether this makes sense for new installs or not, but I feel my objection in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Features/tmp-on-tmpfs was not

[Bug 809427] perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.46 is available

2012-04-03 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 809427] perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.46 is available

2012-04-03 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 809427] perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.46 is available

2012-04-03 Thread bugzilla
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Re: users, private groups, and The Unix Way (was, Re: Is it me or is it sudo?)

2012-04-03 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/03/2012 01:15 PM, Joel Rees wrote: On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Bryn M. Reeves b...@redhat.com wrote: You're allowing the local sandbox user to connect to the local X server so any process running in one of your sandboxes can start a

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 5:10 AM, Brendan Conoboy b...@redhat.com wrote: as such there are various expectations that the overall Fedora experience will be consistent over all primary architectures. Can we quantify what the overall experience is that must be consistent?  I understand Anaconda

Install Fedora Button for LiveCD

2012-04-03 Thread Kamil Paral
I was quite depressed how hard it can be for a layman to find a way to install Fedora from LiveCD environment. If you don't recognize the icon in Gnome Shell Overview mode, it can give you quite some work to find it. Since OSS philosophy is if you don't like it, fix it, I did. In the last two

[perl-Data-Dump-Streamer/f17] update to 2.33

2012-04-03 Thread Iain Arnell
Summary of changes: 9c1a8c0... update to 2.33 (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

File Devel-PatchPerl-0.68.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by iarnell

2012-04-03 Thread Iain Arnell
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Devel-PatchPerl: 7d2ba4ae9a3e0f24e196afa63c8ddc20 Devel-PatchPerl-0.68.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: /tmp on tmpfs

2012-04-03 Thread Steve Clark
On 04/02/2012 05:30 PM, M A Young wrote: On Mon, 2 Apr 2012, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 02.04.12 16:55, Steve Grubb (sgr...@redhat.com) wrote: What about forensics? Any reboot erases information that might have been needed to see what happened during a break in. /tmp is already

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Brendan Conoboy b...@redhat.com wrote: This is feedback vs the current version of the following web page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Secondary_Architecture_Promotion_Requirements_%28Draft%29 FESCo and affected groups should have the ability to review

Re: httpd 2.4 is coming, RFC on module packaging draft

2012-04-03 Thread Remi Collet
Le 03/04/2012 13:50, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn a écrit : Is there a way to only pull in mod_access_compat only on updates but not on new installs? That would be the best option I think as it would not break existing installations that get updated but allows new setups to either not have to deal

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 2, 2012 11:10 PM, Brendan Conoboy b...@redhat.com wrote: All builds must occur on Fedora-maintained build servers. FYI, this will require an additional koji-hub for each architecture trying to move to PA.  Generally

Re: Install Fedora Button for LiveCD

2012-04-03 Thread Chris Murphy
On Apr 3, 2012, at 7:26 AM, Kamil Paral wrote: You can see it here: http://kparal.fedorapeople.org/misc/InstallFedoraButton.png What do you think? Better than default? How about Install Fedora since it could be installed to SSD or iSCSI etc. I personally think it's definitely better than

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Peter Robinson
2012/4/3 Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz: On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 5:10 AM, Brendan Conoboy b...@redhat.com wrote: as such there are various expectations that the overall Fedora experience will be consistent over all primary architectures. Can we quantify what the overall experience is that must

[perl-Wx] 0.9906

2012-04-03 Thread Tom Callaway
commit ec7f4f9fb0f91d4370a8a8f3f3109a664e850bd4 Author: Tom Callaway s...@fedoraproject.org Date: Tue Apr 3 10:28:21 2012 -0400 0.9906 .gitignore |1 + perl-Wx.spec |6 +- sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/.gitignore

Re: Install Fedora Button for LiveCD

2012-04-03 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2012-04-03 at 09:26 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote: I was quite depressed how hard it can be for a layman to find a way to install Fedora from LiveCD environment. If you don't recognize the icon in Gnome Shell Overview mode, it can give you quite some work to find it. Since OSS philosophy

Re: /tmp on tmpfs

2012-04-03 Thread Chris Murphy
/tmp is a like a litter box. From a user perspective, I'm happy to have it emptied regularly, because clearly the cats don't clean up their own doodles. That one of the cats might think he's deposited something valuable that he'll come back for someday, is hilarious to me, as well as

Re: Xfce 4.10pre1 in rawhide

2012-04-03 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Yes, I am planning for sure a f17 repo... and possibly a f16 side repo as well. ;) kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Install Fedora Button for LiveCD

2012-04-03 Thread Kamil Paral
On Apr 3, 2012, at 7:26 AM, Kamil Paral wrote: You can see it here: http://kparal.fedorapeople.org/misc/InstallFedoraButton.png What do you think? Better than default? How about Install Fedora since it could be installed to SSD or iSCSI etc. I pull that string from default anaconda

Re: Install Fedora Button for LiveCD

2012-04-03 Thread Kamil Paral
So, we decided for F16 that we don't want to add extensions like that to the shell that we ship on the live cd. It should be the default experience. Can't be 100% default, because installer is a slightly different use case, isn't it. For the 'make installing obvious' problem, what we

Re: /tmp on tmpfs

2012-04-03 Thread Brian Wheeler
On 04/03/2012 10:31 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: /tmp is a like a litter box. From a user perspective, I'm happy to have it emptied regularly, because clearly the cats don't clean up their own doodles. That one of the cats might think he's deposited something valuable that he'll come back for

Re: Install Fedora Button for LiveCD

2012-04-03 Thread Jiri Eischmann
Kamil Paral píše v Út 03. 04. 2012 v 09:26 -0400: I was quite depressed how hard it can be for a layman to find a way to install Fedora from LiveCD environment. If you don't recognize the icon in Gnome Shell Overview mode, it can give you quite some work to find it. Since OSS philosophy is

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Peter Jones
On 04/02/2012 11:10 PM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: This is feedback vs the current version of the following web page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Secondary_Architecture_Promotion_Requirements_%28Draft%29 It would be nice if the bullet points were numbers so they could be referenced

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Peter Jones
On 04/03/2012 04:03 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 04/03/2012 03:10 AM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: Let's make the list exhaustive; there needs to be a path to sure success. This means establishing a complete procedure where when an SA formally applies to become PA, acceptance means there

Re: /tmp on tmpfs

2012-04-03 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Brian Wheeler bdwhe...@indiana.edu said: * The competition for space between things in /tmp and VM. When someone abuses space in /tmp (on purpose or not) then the system is going to start swapping and performance is going to suffer and the common response for fixing it

Re: Install Fedora Button for LiveCD

2012-04-03 Thread Chris Murphy
On Apr 3, 2012, at 8:29 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote: So, we decided for F16 that we don't want to add extensions like that to the shell that we ship on the live cd. It should be the default experience. For the 'make installing obvious' problem, what we really want is to just autostart

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Peter Jones
On 04/03/2012 10:16 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 2, 2012 11:10 PM, Brendan Conoboy b...@redhat.com wrote: All builds must occur on Fedora-maintained build servers. FYI, this will require an additional koji-hub for each

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Peter Jones pjo...@redhat.com wrote: On 04/03/2012 04:03 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 04/03/2012 03:10 AM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: Let's make the list exhaustive; there needs to be a path to sure success.  This means establishing a complete procedure

Re: /tmp on tmpfs

2012-04-03 Thread Michal Schmidt
Dne 3.4.2012 16:31, Chris Murphy napsal(a): My only concern about it being on tmpfs instead of on disk, is how big it could get, how much memory could be held hostage, until there's a reboot. I'd rather see it be both size and age limited (each item has a decay rate or something), so that it's

Re: /tmp on tmpfs

2012-04-03 Thread M A Young
On Tue, 3 Apr 2012, Chris Adams wrote: Also, if some user has taken up lots of space in /tmp, you can LART the user and delete the files; that's no different than a user filling up a partition by writing to /tmp (no reboot necessary in either case). That assumes your system is still

Re: users, private groups, and The Unix Way (was, Re: Is it me or is it sudo?)

2012-04-03 Thread Joel Rees
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Bryn M. Reeves b...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/03/2012 01:15 PM, Joel Rees wrote: On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Bryn M. Reeves b...@redhat.com wrote: You're allowing the local sandbox user to connect to the local

Re: /tmp on tmpfs

2012-04-03 Thread Chris Murphy
On Apr 3, 2012, at 9:35 AM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Brian Wheeler bdwhe...@indiana.edu said: * The competition for space between things in /tmp and VM. When someone abuses space in /tmp (on purpose or not) then the system is going to start swapping and performance is going to

Re: /tmp on tmpfs

2012-04-03 Thread Chris Murphy
On Apr 3, 2012, at 9:48 AM, M A Young wrote: On Tue, 3 Apr 2012, Chris Adams wrote: Also, if some user has taken up lots of space in /tmp, you can LART the user and delete the files; that's no different than a user filling up a partition by writing to /tmp (no reboot necessary in either

Re: /tmp on tmpfs

2012-04-03 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 03.04.12 08:31, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote: My only concern about it being on tmpfs instead of on disk, is how big it could get, how much memory could be held hostage, until there's a reboot. I'd rather see it be both size and age limited (each item has a decay rate

Re: /tmp on tmpfs

2012-04-03 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, M A Young m.a.yo...@durham.ac.uk said: On Tue, 3 Apr 2012, Chris Adams wrote: Also, if some user has taken up lots of space in /tmp, you can LART the user and delete the files; that's no different than a user filling up a partition by writing to /tmp (no reboot necessary in

KDE and Evolution

2012-04-03 Thread Mike Chambers
Did a F17 install yesterday (has happened last couple test installs), with KDE as my desktop. Fired up evolution for first time, did the restore as always do. When it finally came up to enter my password for my imap server, after entering it, a menu came up (KDE DaemonSecret service?) to enter

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Peter Jones pjo...@redhat.com wrote: On 04/03/2012 10:16 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 2, 2012 11:10 PM, Brendan Conoboy b...@redhat.com wrote: All builds must occur on Fedora-maintained

Re: /tmp on tmpfs

2012-04-03 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Michal Schmidt wrote: Cleanup of old files is already done, by systemd-tmpfiles. See /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/tmp.conf. Files, yes. Directories, no. Due to a bug[1] in gvfs, I had over 100 old, empty directories in /tmp. Other apps may fill /tmp with directories, too, that will not be cleaned by

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Peter Jones
On 04/03/2012 12:07 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Peter Jones pjo...@redhat.com wrote: On 04/03/2012 10:16 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 2, 2012 11:10 PM, Brendan Conoboy b...@redhat.com wrote:

Re: /tmp on tmpfs

2012-04-03 Thread Steve Clark
On 04/03/2012 11:35 AM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Brian Wheelerbdwhe...@indiana.edu said: * The competition for space between things in /tmp and VM. When someone abuses space in /tmp (on purpose or not) then the system is going to start swapping and performance is going to suffer

Re: Install Fedora Button for LiveCD

2012-04-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Apr 03, 2012 at 10:29:27 -0400, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: For the 'make installing obvious' problem, what we really want is to just autostart the installer. Unfortunately, the current live installer does not really work well for that... I don't think that is a good

Re: /tmp on tmpfs

2012-04-03 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2012-04-03 at 10:35 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Brian Wheeler bdwhe...@indiana.edu said: * The competition for space between things in /tmp and VM. When someone abuses space in /tmp (on purpose or not) then the system is going to start swapping and performance is

Re: Install Fedora Button for LiveCD

2012-04-03 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2012-04-03 at 11:30 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Tue, Apr 03, 2012 at 10:29:27 -0400, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: For the 'make installing obvious' problem, what we really want is to just autostart the installer. Unfortunately, the current live installer does

Re: /tmp on tmpfs

2012-04-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.04.2012 09:17, schrieb drago01: I don't really get why people make so much fuss about a non issue really. 99,99% of the users won't even notice that anything changed at all. for this 99.9% the current behavior is also good enough if they do not notice any change the other 0.1% are

Re: /tmp on tmpfs

2012-04-03 Thread Peter Jones
On 04/03/2012 04:50 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 03.04.2012 09:17, schrieb drago01: I don't really get why people make so much fuss about a non issue really. 99,99% of the users won't even notice that anything changed at all. for this 99.9% the current behavior is also good enough if

[Bug 787888] CVE-2012-0839 ocaml: hash table collisions CPU usage DoS (oCERT-2011-003)

2012-04-03 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=787888 --- Comment #5 from Kurt Seifried kseifr...@redhat.com 2012-04-03 12:47:04 EDT --- According to Xavier Leroy

Re: Install Fedora Button for LiveCD

2012-04-03 Thread Chris Murphy
On Apr 3, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote: Anyway, we can easily arrange things so that the installer does not get autostarted anymore once you tick the 'No thanks, just playing' checkbox. How about two user logins listed? One is a user named Install Fedora which autostarts the

Re: users, private groups, and The Unix Way (was, Re: Is it me or is it sudo?)

2012-04-03 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/03/2012 04:56 PM, Joel Rees wrote: Good point. I don't visit those sites, and it's important for me to mention that. No p0rn, period, and many of the moral reasons are in There are a lot of perfectly family-friendly websites whose

File Class-Load-0.19.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by pghmcfc

2012-04-03 Thread Paul Howarth
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Class-Load: 1a81421fda749d36952e7ada7876bcc7 Class-Load-0.19.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Class-Load] Update to 0.19

2012-04-03 Thread Paul Howarth
commit 4cc39dbb88898c28851c44d785832a496c8fd960 Author: Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org Date: Tue Apr 3 18:26:16 2012 +0100 Update to 0.19 - New upstream release 0.19 (no functional changes) - This release by DOY - update source URL - BR: perl(Exporter) - Don't need to

Re: Install Fedora Button for LiveCD

2012-04-03 Thread inode0
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@j2solutions.net wrote: On 4/3/12 9:44 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote: Anyway, we can easily arrange things so that the installer does not get autostarted anymore once you tick the 'No thanks, just playing' checkbox. Instead of

Re: Install Fedora Button for LiveCD

2012-04-03 Thread Nathanael D. Noblet
On 04/03/2012 11:36 AM, inode0 wrote: As someone who often uses live media but who almost never uses it to install Fedora this would be extremely annoying compared to just booting to the live media and having some obvious way to do an installation if that is what the user wants to do without

Re: Install Fedora Button for LiveCD

2012-04-03 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com said: That really depends on what use cases we see for our live cds. In my view, there's really only two: The primary use for a live cd is to install. That's the primary use of the install media. The primary use of the live media is to

Re: Install Fedora Button for LiveCD

2012-04-03 Thread Jef Spaleta
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Nathanael D. Noblet nathan...@gnat.ca wrote: How bout adding/changing the icon for installing? Can we not include some text in the icon? Install Fedora somehow?? Actually... would it make sense to force a notification event about the install option on live CD

Re: Install Fedora Button for LiveCD

2012-04-03 Thread Kamil Paral
To summarize, I see two major paths: a) Make installer launcher more visible: e.g. http://kparal.fedorapeople.org/misc/InstallFedoraButton.png -or- b) Use a proxy window asking which use case is relevant for you: e.g. http://i.imgur.com/I26vS.png Both approaches are fine in my view and

Re: Install Fedora Button for LiveCD

2012-04-03 Thread Chris Murphy
On Apr 3, 2012, at 11:55 AM, Jef Spaleta wrote: Actually... would it make sense to force a notification event about the install option on live CD login? It pops up for a few seconds in the message tray telling you this media can be used for a full install..and then the message lives in the

Re: SPDY in F18 (was Re: F17 httpd 2.4?)

2012-04-03 Thread Michał Piotrowski
Hi, 2012/3/29 Dennis Jacobfeuerborn denni...@conversis.de: On 03/28/2012 07:39 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: Hi, 2012/3/28 Dennis Jacobfeuerborn denni...@conversis.de: On 03/27/2012 09:46 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: W dniu 21 marca 2012 15:13 użytkownik Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com

Re: Install Fedora Button for LiveCD

2012-04-03 Thread Kamil Paral
Actually... would it make sense to force a notification event about the install option on live CD login? It pops up for a few seconds in the message tray telling you this media can be used for a full install..and then the message lives in the message tray until dismissed. That is a good

Re: Install Fedora Button for LiveCD

2012-04-03 Thread Jef Spaleta
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Kamil Paral kpa...@redhat.com wrote: That is a good idea that can be probably implemented very easily. However, what is the benefit over a persistent button in the top panel? I believe its adequately provides a solution to meet all constraints so far expressed

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Brendan Conoboy
On 04/03/2012 04:58 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Apr 2, 2012 11:10 PM, Brendan Conoboy b...@redhat.com mailto:b...@redhat.com wrote: All builds must occur on Fedora-maintained build servers. FYI, this will require an additional koji-hub for each architecture trying to move to PA. Generally

Re: SPDY in F18 (was Re: F17 httpd 2.4?)

2012-04-03 Thread Michał Piotrowski
Hi, W dniu 28 marca 2012 19:39 użytkownik Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com napisał: Hi, 2012/3/28 Dennis Jacobfeuerborn denni...@conversis.de: On 03/27/2012 09:46 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: W dniu 21 marca 2012 15:13 użytkownik Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com napisał: 2012/3/21

Re: Rawhide not resolving %{_libdir} properly ?

2012-04-03 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 04/03/2012 09:07 AM, Krzysztof Daniel wrote: On Mon, 2012-04-02 at 15:00 -0400, Roland Grunberg wrote: Is anyone else getting similar issues? Cheers, -- Roland Grunberg I have the same problem, see bug 808983: pdebuild script fails https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=808983 I

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Brendan Conoboy
On 04/03/2012 09:07 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: From a koji perspective, there really isn't much benefit to step 2. What needs to happen is the RPMs from the secondary hub need to be copied to the primary in the correct NVR directories in the hub's storage. That can happen in the background for

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Brendan Conoboy b...@redhat.com wrote: On 04/03/2012 04:58 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Apr 2, 2012 11:10 PM, Brendan Conoboy b...@redhat.com mailto:b...@redhat.com wrote:   All builds must occur on Fedora-maintained build servers.     FYI, this will require an

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Brendan Conoboy
On 04/03/2012 12:02 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: Erm... you already have this. So will any SA making a transition. I don't see a problem. Outside PHX, yes. Inside, no. -- Brendan Conoboy / Red Hat, Inc. / b...@redhat.com -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 11:58:11 -0700 Brendan Conoboy b...@redhat.com wrote: On 04/03/2012 09:07 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: From a koji perspective, there really isn't much benefit to step 2. What needs to happen is the RPMs from the secondary hub need

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Brendan Conoboy b...@redhat.com wrote: On 04/03/2012 09:07 AM, Josh Boyer wrote:  From a koji perspective, there really isn't much benefit to step 2. What needs to happen is the RPMs from the secondary hub need to be copied to the primary in the correct NVR

Re: Meeting minutes FESCo (2012-03-26)

2012-04-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-03-30 at 14:29 +0200, David Tardon wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:16:30AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 21:17 +0200, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: Could I suggest that, if FESCo is going to have a different chair each week, you at least have an SOP for

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Brendan Conoboy b...@redhat.com wrote: On 04/03/2012 12:02 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: Erm... you already have this.  So will any SA making a transition.  I don't see a problem. Outside PHX, yes.  Inside, no. If an SA wants to go off and do a staging hub instead

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 12:04:07 -0700 Brendan Conoboy b...@redhat.com wrote: On 04/03/2012 12:02 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: Erm... you already have this. So will any SA making a transition. I don't see a problem. Outside PHX, yes. Inside, no. I'll note again that the ppc and s390 secondary

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Brendan Conoboy
On 04/03/2012 12:10 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: I'll note again that the ppc and s390 secondary arch hubs are in fact in phx2. ;) You're already one step ahead of ARM ;-) -- Brendan Conoboy / Red Hat, Inc. / b...@redhat.com -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 11:58:11 -0700 Brendan Conoboy b...@redhat.com wrote: On 04/03/2012 09:07 AM, Josh Boyer wrote:  From a koji perspective, there really isn't much benefit

Re: Feedback on secondary architecture promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 3 Apr 2012 15:13:51 -0400 Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 11:58:11 -0700 Brendan Conoboy

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 11:45:09 -0700 Brendan Conoboy b...@redhat.com wrote: On 04/03/2012 04:58 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Apr 2, 2012 11:10 PM, Brendan Conoboy b...@redhat.com mailto:b...@redhat.com wrote: All builds must occur on

Re: Install Fedora Button for LiveCD

2012-04-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Apr 03, 2012 at 12:44:17 -0400, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: That really depends on what use cases we see for our live cds. In my view, there's really only two: The primary use for a live cd is to install. And then, there is a secondary use where you want to review or

[Bug 809427] perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.46 is available

2012-04-03 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=809427 Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org changed: What|Removed |Added

Re: KDE and Evolution

2012-04-03 Thread Rex Dieter
Mike Chambers wrote: Did a F17 install yesterday (has happened last couple test installs), with KDE as my desktop. Fired up evolution for first time, did the restore as always do. When it finally came up to enter my password for my imap server, after entering it, a menu came up (KDE

Re: KDE and Evolution

2012-04-03 Thread Caterpillar
Il 03/04/2012 23:04, Rex Dieter ha scritto: Mike Chambers wrote: Did a F17 install yesterday (has happened last couple test installs), with KDE as my desktop. Fired up evolution for first time, did the restore as always do. When it finally came up to enter my password for my imap server,

Re: Feedback on secondary architecture promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Peter Robinson
2012/4/3 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com: On 04/03/2012 07:29 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote:  I really don't care who pays for the hardware, just that we have hardware that meets the requirements for being in the colo. ongoing hardware costs will likely be from one of Fedora engineering,

[Bug 695589] Providing native systemd file for amavisd-new

2012-04-03 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=695589 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added

Re: Feedback on secondary architecture promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Josh Boyer
2012/4/3 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com: On 04/03/2012 07:29 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote:  I really don't care who pays for the hardware, just that we have hardware that meets the requirements for being in the colo. ongoing hardware costs will likely be from one of Fedora engineering,

Re: Xfce 4.10pre1 in rawhide

2012-04-03 Thread Frank Murphy
On 03/04/12 20:47, Gilboa Davara wrote: You somehow assume that I was too lazy to read the supplied link Why the *Sigh* then? giving you some god-given-right to police this ML by spamming my You did, by Sighing mailbox with repeated useless (and rude) comments. For the record: 1. I read

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