Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread tim.laurid...@gmail.com
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Ian Pilcher wrote: > On 11/13/2012 09:50 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > > > Yes, this was a misunderstanding. What is still supported is the .policy > files containing the default policy. And that is very good, since such > policy files are installed by pretty muc

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-13 Thread Ian Pilcher
On 11/13/2012 06:55 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > It might be worth re-evaluating whether that's realistic any more, > though, and whether we're _really_ committed to finally replacing > network with NM in some kind of reasonable timeframe. To this point, NetworkManager has failed to gain basic bri

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Ian Pilcher
On 11/13/2012 09:50 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > Yes, this was a misunderstanding. What is still supported is the .policy > files containing the default policy. And that is very good, since such policy > files are installed by pretty much every package that uses polkit, while > .pkla files we

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-13 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 08:00:23PM -0500, Ben Cotton wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: [list of packages] ntpdate chrony On EC2 (as in many virt environments) the hardware clock source is actually synced and running

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-13 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
I can tell you what openSUSE / SUSE Studio does. The smallest appliance you can build is JEOS (Just Enough Operating System). That has kernel, grub, openssh, bash, small vim and zypper, which is the openSUSE equivalent of yum. It does not have man pages; they're stripped out. Next up is something

[Test-Announce] 2012-11-14 @ 17:00 UTC - F18 Beta Blocker Bug Review #8

2012-11-13 Thread Tim Flink
# F18 Beta Blocker Review meeting #8 # Date: 2012-11-14 # Time: 17:00 UTC (12:00 EST, 09:00 PST) # Location: #fedora-qa on irc.freenode.net Keeping with what we've done for the last couple of weeks, we'll stop around the 3 hour mark if we're not done by then and resume on 2012-11-15. We'll be run

Re: Fedora Minimal Core SIG -- please join if you're interested

2012-11-13 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > So, here's a proposal for a semi-informal group linking different > stakeholders interested in curating the @core package selection: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Minimal_Core > > Please comment and join if you're interested. This

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-13 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Ben Cotton said: > ntpdate > chrony Daemons should only be added to @core if they are critical for basic system function; NTP is recommended for most setups, but certainly not critical. It would be nice to have ntpdate and/or rdate though, so that the system clock can be initia

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-13 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Adam Williamson said: > It might be worth re-evaluating whether that's realistic any more, > though, and whether we're _really_ committed to finally replacing > network with NM in some kind of reasonable timeframe. Until NM supports 802.1q, bridging, and tunnels, to name a few t

The Fedora Project selected for Google Code In 2012

2012-11-13 Thread Buddhike Kurera
According to the Google Blog post[1] on Monday (12th Nov), The Fedora Project has been selected for one of the mentoring organizations for Google Code In 2012. Fedora featured 7 times in Google Summer of Code program in 2005 to 2012 except in 2010 but this is the first time Fedora project is featur

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Matthias Clasen
- Original Message - > Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > I have recently had to search all existing polkit policies. This > > is > > no longer possible to automate because various packages ship the > > JavaScript policy, so I had to review those by hand. It seems that > > (perhaps with the exce

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-13 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 13 November 2012 18:38, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 08:00:23PM -0500, Ben Cotton wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: >> > [list of packages] >> ntpdate >> chrony > > On EC2 (as in many virt environments) the hardware clock source is actually >

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 08:55:46PM -0500, Ben Cotton wrote: > > On EC2 (as in many virt environments) the hardware clock source is > > actually synced and running an ntpd service on the client is redundant. > (Neat, I learned something today!) Sure, but there are a lot of Fedora > instances not run

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-13 Thread Ben Cotton
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On EC2 (as in many virt environments) the hardware clock source is actually > synced and running an ntpd service on the client is redundant. > (Neat, I learned something today!) Sure, but there are a lot of Fedora instances not running on s

Re: Setting the default firewall configuration (was Re: Attention, dependency fighters)

2012-11-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-11-13 at 20:35 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > > like that. Someone else might want to advocate that, but I'm not. Since > > I now figured out to my own satisfaction that we can't just ditch > > firewalld from the minimal install, the focus in the context of this > > goal should be on

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 08:00:23PM -0500, Ben Cotton wrote: > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > [list of packages] > ntpdate > chrony On EC2 (as in many virt environments) the hardware clock source is actually synced and running an ntpd service on the client is redundant

Re: Setting the default firewall configuration (was Re: Attention, dependency fighters)

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 04:52:47PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > Well, sure, but you seem to be drifting the discussion a bit (or I did, > I've been out of town for the weekend, it gets confusing). As I recall > things, the basic goal we were working towards in this thread was the > reduction of

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-13 Thread Ben Cotton
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > [list of packages] ntpdate chrony -- Ben Cotton Fedora Docs Leader -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-11-13 at 17:15 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > > Is NM really required for "basic" networking? If so, you probably don't > > need to specify some of the rest (such as dhclient) manually. NM brings > > a bunch of deps I believe. > > So far everything works without, and I think we sho

Re: Setting the default firewall configuration (was Re: Attention, dependency fighters)

2012-11-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-11-13 at 19:44 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 04:31:46PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > Well with firewalld not installed and no iptables configs.. I would > > > > believe that the default would be everything open... unless some other > > > This is indeed

Re: Setting the default firewall configuration (was Re: Attention, dependency fighters)

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 04:31:46PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > Well with firewalld not installed and no iptables configs.. I would > > > believe that the default would be everything open... unless some other > > This is indeed the case. > And that's clearly not what we want. I thought it ki

Re: Setting the default firewall configuration (was Re: Attention, dependency fighters)

2012-11-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2012-11-10 at 14:40 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:15:31AM -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > is entirely irrelevant. To achieve the above, we don't need to make sure > > > that the default configuration leaves port 22 open when firewalld is > > > installed,

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 03:40:26PM -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > >> > > from /etc/skel with annoying aliases. > >> > I think it should be at least "default" instead of mandatory. > >> Consistency of environment. Root's environment should always be > >> the same no matter how you install. > >

Re: macros.cmake: set -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=ReleaseWithDebInfo by default

2012-11-13 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 11/13/2012 06:48 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Ralf Corsepius mailto:rc040...@freenet.de>> wrote: On 11/13/2012 05:05 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: I own several packages that use cmake and I've taken to setting the release type to RelWithDebugInfo l

[Bug 872994] perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.54 is available

2012-11-13 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=872994 --- Comment #5 from Fedora Update System --- Package perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.54-1.fc18: * should fix your issue, * was pushed to the Fedora 18 testing repository, * should be available at your local mirror within two days. Update it with: # su -

Re: macros.cmake: set -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=ReleaseWithDebInfo by default

2012-11-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
I wrote: > Richard Shaw wrote: >> I'd have to go back and look but the last flag wins, right? I've had >> cmake projects where RPM_OPT_FLAGS was used but the cmake options were >> appended, so I ended up with -O3... > > Then these packages are faulty and need to be fixed (patch > CMakeLists.txt).

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Beta Test Compose 8 (TC8) Available Now!

2012-11-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Bill Nottingham wrote: > Not to let silly things like facts get in the way of a good rant, but the > images went over size because MATE & texlive are now getting pulled in via > deps when they weren't before, not because of incremental minidebuginfo > changes. MiniDebugInfo definitely DID increase

[Bug 875786] perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.057 is available

2012-11-13 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875786 --- Comment #2 from Fedora Update System --- Package perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.058-1.fc18, perl-Compress-Raw-Lzma-2.058-1.fc18, perl-Compress-Raw-Bzip2-2.058-1.fc18, perl-IO-Compress-2.058-1.fc18, perl-IO-Compress-Lzma-2.058-1.fc18: * should fix y

[Bug 875785] perl-Compress-Raw-Bzip2-2.057 is available

2012-11-13 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875785 --- Comment #2 from Fedora Update System --- Package perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.058-1.fc18, perl-Compress-Raw-Lzma-2.058-1.fc18, perl-Compress-Raw-Bzip2-2.058-1.fc18, perl-IO-Compress-2.058-1.fc18, perl-IO-Compress-Lzma-2.058-1.fc18: * should fix y

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Beta Test Compose 8 (TC8) Available Now!

2012-11-13 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 23:12:57 +0100 Kevin Kofler wrote: > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > FESCo decided the benefit to always having mini-debuginfo > > available outweighed the downside of increased space. > > What benefit? ...snip... The problem here is that you are making the same arguments you made b

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-13 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 13 November 2012 15:22, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 05:20:43PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: >> > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 04:07:16PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote: >> > > What makes rootfiles essential? That's just overriding the defaults >> > > from /etc/skel with annoying alia

Re: macros.cmake: set -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=ReleaseWithDebInfo by default

2012-11-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Richard Shaw wrote: > I'd have to go back and look but the last flag wins, right? I've had cmake > projects where RPM_OPT_FLAGS was used but the cmake options were appended, > so I ended up with -O3... Then these packages are faulty and need to be fixed (patch CMakeLists.txt). Kevin Kofle

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Beta Test Compose 8 (TC8) Available Now!

2012-11-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Sometimes things aren't ideal for one group in favor of another. WHAT group is actually in favor of MiniDebugInfo? It has one single person as the feature owner. ABRT developers consider it useless. Who actually wants it? And are you sure those who think they want it realize

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 05:20:43PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 04:07:16PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote: > > > What makes rootfiles essential? That's just overriding the defaults > > > from /etc/skel with annoying aliases. > > I think it should be at least "default" instea

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-13 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) said: > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 04:07:16PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote: > > What makes rootfiles essential? That's just overriding the defaults > > from /etc/skel with annoying aliases. > > I think it should be at least "default" instead of mandatory. Cons

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 04:07:16PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote: > What makes rootfiles essential? That's just overriding the defaults > from /etc/skel with annoying aliases. I think it should be at least "default" instead of mandatory. > Is NM really required for "basic" networking? If so, you pr

Re: macros.cmake: set -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=ReleaseWithDebInfo by default

2012-11-13 Thread Ville Skyttä
On 2012-11-13 00:46, Rex Dieter wrote: > 2. building with -DNDEBUG by default? Is NDEBUG something commonly found/used in projecets built with cmake? If so, I think building with it would be generally more desirable than building without it, because doing the latter might enable extra debugging

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Beta Test Compose 8 (TC8) Available Now!

2012-11-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Kevin Fenzi wrote: > FESCo decided the benefit to always having mini-debuginfo > available outweighed the downside of increased space. What benefit? * MiniDebugInfo contains only basically the same information already present in the dynamic symbol table of shared objects! (GDB can already use the

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-13 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Bill Nottingham said: > So, what it is bascially designed for now is: > > - Boot to a normal prompt > basesystem > bash > coreutils > filesystem > glibc > initscripts > plymouth (was for boot logs & encrypted partitions; could be dropped

bodhi 0.9.3 deployed to production

2012-11-13 Thread Luke Macken
A new bugfix release of Bodhi has just been deployed to production. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates Bugs and enhancement requests can be filed here: http://bodhi.fedorahosted.org Major user-facing changes in 0.9.3 -- - Bodhi will no longer al

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-13 Thread Steve Grubb
On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 04:41:12 PM Bill Nottingham wrote: > Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) said: > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 08:07:39PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: > > > Yeah, that's a thing that probably could be done. Bug again I'd > > > like some input from people who have mad

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Beta Test Compose 8 (TC8) Available Now!

2012-11-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > On 11/12/2012 09:36 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> FESCo decided the benefit to always having mini-debuginfo >> available outweighed the downside of increased space. > > I see done to making abrt atleast somewhat usable The ABRT developers have said very clearly that th

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Beta Test Compose 8 (TC8) Available Now!

2012-11-13 Thread Bill Nottingham
Kevin Kofler (kevin.kof...@chello.at) said: > Andre Robatino wrote: > > *IMPORTANT*: Both TC8 install DVDs are oversized and will not fit on > > single-layer DVDs. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD#Capacity for > > DVD size limits. > > See what damage "Mini"DebugInfo is doing? Nobody (other t

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-13 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) said: > On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 08:07:39PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: > > Yeah, that's a thing that probably could be done. Bug again I'd > > like some input from people who have made the switch to these > > packages being mandatory. > > Well, I think i

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Miloslav Trmač wrote: > I have recently had to search all existing polkit policies. This is > no longer possible to automate because various packages ship the > JavaScript policy, so I had to review those by hand. It seems that > (perhaps with the exception of polkit itself) any use of JavaScript

Re: Retiring packages due to broken deps

2012-11-13 Thread Mamoru TASAKA
Tom Callaway wrote, at 11/14/2012 02:26 AM +9:00: Since the following packages seem to be unmaintained and have broken deps in Fedora 18, I propose that they be retired and blocked before release: ruby-revolution Currently waiting for the upstream reply. Additionally, these packages are alre

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 03:47:25PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Given the move of most system configuration at a large scale to things > such as puppet and chef, I suspect that this argument has already lost in > the marketplace. Obviously, we should still support more locked down > configuratio

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:16:49PM +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: > On 11/13/2012 05:28 PM, Thomas Woerner wrote: > > On 11/13/2012 03:46 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > >> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 02:28:17PM +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > >> Here, I mostly don't see the reason for it to be runni

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Bill Nottingham
Steve Grubb (sgr...@redhat.com) said: > > So, converting JavaScript rules to pkla syntax won't do any good. What is > > worthwhile doing though, is to review all existing packages that ship such > > rules, and stop them from doing that, if possible. JavaScript rules are > > only meant for admin us

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Bill Nottingham
Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) said: > > A concrete action that we are going to take is to split the polkit daemon > > into its own subpackage. Then minimal / certifiable installs can contain > > clients that are using the polkit libraries, without pulling in the daemon. > > Polkit clients are

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) said: > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:37:37PM +0100, Thomas Woerner wrote: > > >That's not correct. You can modify the firewall just fine without > > >restarting it. > > This is related to system-config-firewall/lokkit. You are right, if > > you are using ipt

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > - Original Message - > >> So, talking about specific actions... >> >> I have recently had to search all existing polkit policies. This is >> no longer possible to automate because various packages ship the >> JavaScript policy, so

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 02:32:28PM -0500, Steve Grubb wrote: > It was decided a long time ago that its better to just have a parser that > looks for the things that people would commonly like to change. This way, > you have some assurance that the main binary has some integrity and you > didn't mak

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Steve Grubb
On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 02:07:53 PM Matthias Clasen wrote: > - Original Message - > > > So, talking about specific actions... > > > > I have recently had to search all existing polkit policies. This is > > no longer possible to automate because various packages ship the > > JavaScr

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 02:07:53PM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > A concrete action that we are going to take is to split the polkit daemon > into its own subpackage. Then minimal / certifiable installs can contain > clients that are using the polkit libraries, without pulling in the > daemon. Pol

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Matthias Clasen
- Original Message - > So, talking about specific actions... > > I have recently had to search all existing polkit policies. This is > no longer possible to automate because various packages ship the > JavaScript policy, so I had to review those by hand. It seems that > (perhaps with

Re: Retiring packages due to broken deps

2012-11-13 Thread Tom Callaway
On 11/13/2012 12:55 PM, Dan Horák wrote: > Tom Callaway píše v Út 13. 11. 2012 v 12:26 -0500: >> Since the following packages seem to be unmaintained and have broken >> deps in Fedora 18, I propose that they be retired and blocked before >> release: >> >> perl-OpenOffice-UNO > > ^^^ was rebuilt r

Re: Retiring packages due to broken deps

2012-11-13 Thread Dan Horák
Tom Callaway píše v Út 13. 11. 2012 v 12:26 -0500: > Since the following packages seem to be unmaintained and have broken > deps in Fedora 18, I propose that they be retired and blocked before > release: > > perl-OpenOffice-UNO ^^^ was rebuilt recently Dan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.

[Bug 872994] perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.54 is available

2012-11-13 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=872994 --- Comment #4 from Fedora Update System --- perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.54-1.fc16 has been submitted as an update for Fedora 16. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.54-1.fc16 -- You are receiving this mail because: Yo

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-11-13 at 10:03 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 11:57:12AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > > > > - no way to run once and exit for cloud guests with *non-dynamic* > > > > firewall > > > > needs, and it's a non-trivial user of system resources > > > You can u

[Bug 872994] perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.54 is available

2012-11-13 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=872994 --- Comment #3 from Fedora Update System --- perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.54-1.fc17 has been submitted as an update for Fedora 17. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.54-1.fc17 -- You are receiving this mail because: Yo

[Bug 872994] perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.54 is available

2012-11-13 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=872994 --- Comment #2 from Fedora Update System --- perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.54-1.fc18 has been submitted as an update for Fedora 18. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.54-1.fc18 -- You are receiving this mail because: Yo

Re: Anything changed on rawhide builders recently? Can't build ladvd

2012-11-13 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: >> diff --git a/scripts/headers_install.pl b/scripts/headers_install.pl >> index 239d22d..6c353ae 100644 >> --- a/scripts/headers_install.pl >> +++ b/scripts/headers_install.pl >> @@ -42,6 +42,9 @@ foreach my $filename (@files) { >>

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:37:37PM +0100, Thomas Woerner wrote: > >That's not correct. You can modify the firewall just fine without > >restarting it. > This is related to system-config-firewall/lokkit. You are right, if > you are using iptables directly then you do not have this > limitation. fire

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Thomas Woerner
On 11/13/2012 06:16 PM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: On 11/13/2012 05:28 PM, Thomas Woerner wrote: On 11/13/2012 03:46 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 02:28:17PM +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: Here, I mostly don't see the reason for it to be running all the time. Couldn't it be d

Re: A minimal subset of python (was Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set)

2012-11-13 Thread tim.laurid...@gmail.com
Did a quick scan and removed internals random : ['import random : (cli.py)'] subprocess : ['from subprocess import Popen, PIPE : (yum/packages.py)'] gettext : ['import gettext : (output.py)'] fnmatch : ['import fnmatch : (completion-helper.py)'] te

Retiring packages due to broken deps

2012-11-13 Thread Tom Callaway
Since the following packages seem to be unmaintained and have broken deps in Fedora 18, I propose that they be retired and blocked before release: libsyncml mod_pubcookie openvrml perl-OpenOffice-UNO pyfuzzy reciteword ruby-revolution rubygem-calendar_date_select znc-infobot These retirements wou

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:03:18PM +0100, Thomas Woerner wrote: > >I understand that some services work that way. However, I don't think that > >this is the best design for a firewall service. Is there some way to force > >the internal state to be recorded? > >Let's say there is a security fix for

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 11/13/2012 05:28 PM, Thomas Woerner wrote: > On 11/13/2012 03:46 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 02:28:17PM +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: >> Here, I mostly don't see the reason for it to be running all the time. >> Couldn't it be dbus activated, and then go away when it

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Thomas Woerner
On 11/13/2012 05:36 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 05:28:42PM +0100, Thomas Woerner wrote: If you want to recreate rules, use reload. If you restart the service with systemd, the servce gets stopped and started again, so you will loose internal state. This is how services are

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-13 Thread Mike Chambers
On Mon, 2012-11-12 at 19:19 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > This thread continues to get more absurd. Everyone agrees it would be > good to make the installer as efficient as possible. It is open source > code. Check it out from git and go to work. Patches to > anaconda-devel-list. The anaconda

[Bug 872994] perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.54 is available

2012-11-13 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=872994 Petr Pisar changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |ASSIGNED CC|

Fedora 18 Re-entering Beta Freeze tomorrow

2012-11-13 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Just a reminder to all, that barring any last minute issues Fedora 18 branched will enter freeze (again) starting tomorrow. There will be one more stable push late tonight that will appear in tomorrows branched compose, after that only updates fixing accepted Beta Blockers or accepted Beta Nice t

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 05:28:42PM +0100, Thomas Woerner wrote: > If you want to recreate rules, use reload. If you restart the > service with systemd, the servce gets stopped and started again, so > you will loose internal state. This is how services are working. I understand that some services w

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 02:41:44PM +, Pádraig Brady wrote: > On 11/12/2012 07:53 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > >On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 09:53:13PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >>I really don't understand why a core system component such as firewalld is > >>implemented in Python! > > > >Here, I mo

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Thomas Woerner
On 11/13/2012 04:02 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 11:57:12AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: - no way to run once and exit for cloud guests with *non-dynamic* firewall needs, and it's a non-trivial user of system resources You can use the old firewall environment for st

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Thomas Woerner
On 11/13/2012 03:46 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 02:28:17PM +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: Here, I mostly don't see the reason for it to be running all the time. Couldn't it be dbus activated, and then go away when it's not needed? Then, it would matter less what it was written

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > The concerns you raise go beyond the preferences of sysadmins (who, I think > as a rule prefer key-value config files to complex ones). Of course, Fedora > isn't (at least, not right now) targetted at the high-security situations > you descr

Re: livemedia-creator and the fedora build system [was Re: appliance-creator: how can I ...]

2012-11-13 Thread Brian C. Lane
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:40:06AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 07:20:52PM -0800, Brian C. Lane wrote: > > Yes. I haven't focused on getting it working for Beta since they decided > > to continue to use livecd-creator, but I will have it working for Final. > > With that t

A minimal subset of python (was Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set)

2012-11-13 Thread David Malcolm
On Mon, 2012-11-12 at 11:28 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > Okay, cool -- there's a lot of enthusiasm for a SIG for the core package > set. > > So, first up on the SIG goals: clarifying our target. > > It's been suggested before that there's so many possibilities that this is > useless, but the po

[perl-Devel-Cover] Bump the release to 0.94

2012-11-13 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit ad2a26e2e7d5eb055f205db5eb31b762bfc7ffaf Author: Marcela Mašláňová Date: Tue Nov 13 16:46:32 2012 +0100 Bump the release to 0.94 perl-Devel-Cover.spec | 27 ++- 1 files changed, 18 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Devel-Cover.spec b/perl

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:26:28AM -0500, Steve Grubb wrote: > With name = value, the vulnerability would likely be in the compiled code > and the compliance check would pass. In this case the settings are > verifiably correct because the config file is not changed and part of the > compliance chec

[perl-HTTP-Daemon] Modernize the spec, fix dependencies, and drop command macros

2012-11-13 Thread Petr Šabata
commit 0976bf010875df653bd9aeed2580b756bb9b49af Author: Petr Šabata Date: Tue Nov 13 16:33:25 2012 +0100 Modernize the spec, fix dependencies, and drop command macros perl-HTTP-Daemon.spec | 19 +++ 1 files changed, 11 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Beta Test Compose 8 (TC8) Available Now!

2012-11-13 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 18:39:29 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > please no - O2 is a performance improvement while minidebuginfo is > the opposite, not only bloating the size, also bloadting the data > to laod from disk FYI minidebuginfo does not affect loading from disk (mostly) in any way. See 'readel

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Steve Grubb
On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 09:37:07 AM Steve Grubb wrote: > For anything with name=value, we normally use the textfilecontent54 which we > can define a regex to pick out the items of interest. However, with a > language, you have multiple ways of expressing the same idea. for example, > > if (f

[perl-Data-OptList] Fix wrong script interpreter

2012-11-13 Thread Jitka Plesnikova
commit 43f728027aff916af535519b7e0f1124d64497d0 Author: Jitka Plesnikova Date: Tue Nov 13 16:09:41 2012 +0100 Fix wrong script interpreter perl-Data-OptList.spec |7 ++- 1 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Data-OptList.spec b/perl-Data-OptList.sp

[Bug 875791] perl-Net-SSH2-0.46 is available

2012-11-13 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875791 Petr Šabata changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED Fixed In Version|

[perl-IO-Compress-Lzma] Created tag perl-IO-Compress-Lzma-2.058-1.fc19

2012-11-13 Thread Paul Howarth
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[perl-IO-Compress-Lzma] Created tag perl-IO-Compress-Lzma-2.058-1.fc18

2012-11-13 Thread Paul Howarth
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Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 11:57:12AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > > > - no way to run once and exit for cloud guests with *non-dynamic* > > > firewall > > > needs, and it's a non-trivial user of system resources > > You can use the old firewall environment for static firewall use > > cases.

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 11:57:12AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > > > - no way to run once and exit for cloud guests with *non-dynamic* > > > firewall > > > needs, and it's a non-trivial user of system resources > > You can use the old firewall environment for static firewall use > > cases.

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 08:51:59AM -0600, Chris Adams wrote: > > $ time /bin/true > > real0m0.002s > > $ time python -c True > > real0m0.049s > Aside from that being a meaningless, worst case example, an "overhead" > of .047 seconds is hardly worth worrying about unless the command

Re: iprutils -- should this be pulled in by anaconda instead of in core?

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 08:41:00AM -0500, David Cantrell wrote: > > I know anaconda currently does some magic to install storage-related > > packages; should this be included there rather than on the minimal list? > > It's not a big package, but unless it's necessary I don't think we want to > > fo

[perl-DateTime-TimeZone/f16] update to latest upstream version - Olson 2012j

2012-11-13 Thread Petr Pisar
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[perl-DateTime-TimeZone/f17] update to latest upstream version - Olson 2012j

2012-11-13 Thread Petr Pisar
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[perl-DateTime-TimeZone/f18] update to latest upstream version - Olson 2012j

2012-11-13 Thread Petr Pisar
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Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Pádraig Brady said: > It could be argued that python is more suited to long lived programs: > > $ time /bin/true > real 0m0.002s > $ time python -c True > real 0m0.049s Aside from that being a meaningless, worst case example, an "overhead" of .047 seconds is hardly worth worr

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 02:41:44PM +, Pádraig Brady wrote: > > And for reducing space use: I think it might also be nice to break python > > 2to3 and idle out of the python-libs package. > splitting python-libs (25MB here), seems worthwhile. > python-libs can bb changed to a subpackage that jus

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 02:28:17PM +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > > > >Here, I mostly don't see the reason for it to be running all the time. > > > >Couldn't it be dbus activated, and then go away when it's not needed? > > > >Then, > > > >it would matter less what it was written in. > > > It would l

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Pádraig Brady
On 11/12/2012 07:53 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 09:53:13PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: I really don't understand why a core system component such as firewalld is implemented in Python! Here, I mostly don't see the reason for it to be running all the time. Couldn't it be db

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